[00:00] <plars> sergiusens: I don't think it landed in time https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1225017
[00:34] <mhall119> anders3408: I know nothing about evdev
[00:37] <anders3408> mhall119:  i was missing alot of permission in find5.rules , perhaps thats it. did a new build just testing in a moment then im going to upload it if it is working ok.
[01:55] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Mobile for new Droid MAXX | http://askubuntu.com/q/347315
[06:58] <lool> ogra: do we have time to land some changes this morning?
[06:58] <lool> specifically, I wanted to try landing new url-dispatcher, and qtpim was tested yesterday
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[07:00] <lool> ogra: moving this to -ci
[07:27] <drachensun> well I have a little bit of progress
[07:27] <drachensun> I see A N D R O I D on screen
[07:28] <drachensun> adb works but only seems to see the android container
[07:28] <drachensun> and my serial console is up
[07:28] <drachensun> but I think media server crashing all the time is making it unresponsive
[07:34] <drachensun> anyone know why I would be seeing a n d r o i d?
[07:35] <drachensun> looks like surface flinger is crashing as well, I thought ubuntu touch used mir?
[07:49] <drachensun> so I see, Android was fighting to control the console as well
[07:49] <drachensun> now I have a good console, again just in the Android container
[07:54] <janimo> sergiusens, around?
[07:54] <gema> popey: ping
[07:54] <popey> gema: yo!
[07:54] <gema> popey: have you managed to get the upgrade from the system settings working?
[07:55] <popey> yes, multiple times
[07:55] <gema> popey: ok, me too
[07:55] <popey> have you not?
[07:55] <popey> oh
[07:55] <gema> popey: I have an email forwarded from you and jamie that says something about signature error
[07:55] <gema> but I haven't been able to reproduce that
[07:56] <popey> I'd be willing to bet that's dodgy wifi issue
[07:56] <popey> or dodgy 3g
[07:56] <gema> ok
[07:56] <gema> popey: do upgrades download automatically for you?
[07:56] <gema> or is that not implemented yet?
[07:56] <popey> i have it set to, and yes, it works
[07:56] <gema> ok, I am going to try that now
[07:56] <gema> popey: thanks
[07:56] <popey> np
[08:01] <gema> today's image comes up with the wrong date to me :/
[08:01] <popey> gema: what command are you using?
[08:02] <gema> popey: UI
[08:02] <popey> que?
[08:02] <gema> system settings, download and then install
[08:02] <popey> right, what's wrong?
[08:03] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-19-090254.png is what I see
[08:03] <gema> popey: I am trying to reproduce, I will take a picture
[08:06] <gema> popey: nah, it worked this time
[08:06] <gema> first time I upgraded it had 1970 as a date
[08:06] <drachensun> ok I'm getting an apparmor 2.4 error
[08:07] <drachensun> so there is a patch I should put on the kernel?  Where can I find that?
[08:07] <popey> gema: that happens because the time doesn't get saved when you wipe.
[08:07] <popey> that happens a lot
[08:07] <jjohansen> drachensun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/AppArmorForPhabletKernels
[08:09] <drachensun> thanks
[08:10] <drachensun> is the apparmor issue probably what is keeping the display from loading?
[08:10] <gema> popey: is your sim working on the latest image?
[08:11] <popey> yup
[08:11] <gema> ok
[08:11] <popey> gema: you may need to restart network managaer
[08:11] <gema> popey: no, I am testing, I need to raise a bug because it takes forever to show the signal
[08:11] <gema> :)
[08:11] <jjohansen> drachensun: maybe. You can set the kernel parameter apparmor=0 and boot with that to check
[08:12] <jjohansen> that works on apparmor 2.4 and 3.0
[08:12] <gema> popey: I don't think it was nm, my wifi has been up from the beginning
[08:13] <popey> gema: there's a known bug in nm which I was testing a fix for last night
[08:13] <gema> popey: regarding telephony?
[08:13] <popey> gema: it doesn't move from wifi to 3g seamlessly, but there's a fix done which should land soon
[08:13] <popey> regarding 3g/wifi
[08:13] <gema> popey: ok
[08:13] <gema> popey: will wait for that to land then
[08:13] <drachensun> jjohansen: Before I added "apparmor=1 security=apparmor" to my kernel I was getting "AppArmor not available as kernel LSM" and that seemed to be the only error.  Is that what you would expect from apparmor=0?
[08:14] <drachensun> well the only apparmor reported error
[08:14] <drachensun> and the display was A N D R O I D then too
[08:14] <jjohansen> drachensun: ah yeah
[08:15] <drachensun> jjohansen: So apparmor isn't required? the kernel patch looks like a lot of work, I would prefer to come back to if its not required to get the regular desktop up
[08:16] <jjohansen> drachensun: its not required to get ubuntu touch up, but is required for confinement and some apps to work
[08:17] <jjohansen> drachensun: ah that goes for the desktop too
[08:18] <jjohansen> if I was trying to bring something up, I would skip it until I had the system up and running
[08:18] <drachensun> ok cool
[08:18] <drachensun> yeah, I've got it booting
[08:18] <drachensun> and now the Android container is up
[08:18] <drachensun> and I can adb in
[08:18] <jibel> with 20130918, the clock vanished from the notification area, is it on purpose or already reported as a bug?
[08:18] <drachensun> or use a serial console
[08:18] <drachensun> but they all lead to the Android container
[08:18] <drachensun> and the display is stuck on  A N D R O I D
[08:19] <drachensun> I see surfaceflinger try to run
[08:19] <drachensun> but it seems to crash on and off
[08:19] <drachensun> So if I understand right, I can try mir instead somehow right?
[08:21] <drachensun> looks like I would need to break out of the android container to install it
[08:23] <popey> jibel: comes back after a reboot
[08:26] <drachensun> exit
[08:26] <jibel> popey, okay, filing a bug
[08:27] <jibel> hm and a system-image-dbus crash :/
[08:30] <drachensun> ok I waw missing the powervr kernel module, it hides away from the rest and I forgot to copy it
[08:30] <drachensun> so now
[08:31] <drachensun> I am getting the Android init logo
[08:31] <drachensun> and it stops after that
[08:31] <drachensun> but its the logo it used to show in Android before I started trying to add all this
[08:34] <mhr3_> ogra, did you see my msg about the ubuntu-settings branch?
[08:34] <ogra> yep, i put it on the spreadsheet for CI discussion
[08:34] <ogra> should land later today (i hope)
[08:35] <mhr3_> ogra, thanks
[08:36] <Laney> mardy: have any ideas about fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1227111 ?
[08:37] <Laney> It seems easy enough to do single instance but you also want to go to the new requested panel in the existing instance
[08:38] <oSoMoN> om26er: hey, are you around?
[08:38] <mardy> Laney: nope, I think you have to talk to the shell people about this
[08:38] <om26er> oSoMoN, yeah, I came in early.
[08:38] <om26er> :)
[08:38] <mardy> Laney: I guess upstart will come into the picture
[08:38] <Laney> really?
[08:38] <om26er> oSoMoN, I saw the comment on the MR, I'll now look at the failing test now
[08:38] <Laney> I thought you'd do it in u-s-s
[08:39] <popey> ogra: how do I set the time on the read-only images?
[08:39] <om26er> oSoMoN, or is that not needed anymore ? :)
[08:39] <mardy> Laney: they have plans to maintain a binding between processes and windows, and I guess that single-instance is also considered
[08:39] <Laney> hrm
[08:40] <mardy> Laney: well, for Online Accounts, I'm working on a D-Bus service to start it, which will take care of single/multiple instances as appropriate; but that's a rather complex case
[08:40] <mardy> Laney: I think that being single instance is a common requirement for many apps, so it's likely that the shell will provide some easy way to do it
[08:41] <mardy> Saviq: any plans about this? ^
[08:41] <ogra> popey, heh, no idea ... i guess you need to wait until the settings land
[08:41] <popey> ☹
[08:48] <oSoMoN> om26er: if you mean the calendar app, no need to investigate, I’ve found the issue and submitted a MR, if you could review it that would be great: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-calendar-app/restrict-label-search-root/+merge/186483
[08:49] <oSoMoN> om26er: also, I wanted to ask about an issue in the lab, I’m seeing the following error on all CI and autolanding jobs (generic-mediumtests-runner-maguro) today: "error: device not found"
[08:49] <om26er> oSoMoN, wow that looks serious
[08:50] <om26er> I'll have a look
[08:52] <om26er> oSoMoN, approve it, I assume you have been stuck with that failure of a bit long
[08:59] <oSoMoN> om26er: thanks
[09:47] <mardy> Laney: hi! Could you review this soonish? https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings/wifi-panel/+merge/186492
[09:47] <mardy> Laney: thostr_ tells me it should land today
[09:48] <Laney> mardy: ok, right after I get disk usage working
[09:48] <Laney> please invalidate the old mp
[09:48] <mardy> Laney: OK
[10:02] <ogra> sil2100, so was there anything more than qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-click0.1 to seed for you ?
[10:10] <kalikiana> ogra: does this sound familiar? "ERROR:phablet-flash:local variable 'recovery_path' referenced before assignment" and then stays in the recovery screen - using phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel=devel-proposed on maguro
[10:12] <UbuntuFan> how can I on Nexus 7 2013 (razor) ubuntu install. I have done many things but it is not
[10:12] <popey> UbuntuFan: we dont officially support the new nexus 7 yet
[10:12] <popey> someone needs to port it over
[10:12] <promyloph> Is Ubuntu Touch the successor of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7 ?
[10:12] <popey> Kinda. Yes.
[10:13] <popey> I don't think we maintain the desktop image for Nexus 7 anymore
[10:13] <promyloph> Yeh, the download link does not work any more.
[10:13] <promyloph> So I suspected it was dead.
[10:15] <popey> ogra: shall we "do a jorge" and delete those pages?
[10:16] <popey> or just put a big boilerplate at the top
[10:18] <asac> popey: ogra: think we would want to release the 56 :)?
[10:18] <asac> thats a big step
[10:19] <asac> can you sign off and get it out?
[10:19] <asac> ogra: thostr_ cannot boot his device anymore
[10:19] <asac> with ubuntu-system
[10:20] <asac> thostr_: did the install go fine?
[10:20] <thostr_> asac: yes
[10:20] <asac> thostr_: what happens if you go in with adb?
[10:20] <thostr_> only get busybox
[10:21] <asac> i flashed 55 a few times i think
[10:21] <asac> ogra: popey: ^^ not sure what might have happened for him
[10:21] <asac> thostr_: did you have latest phablet-flash?
[10:22] <asac> phablet-tools up to date?
[10:22] <asac> etc?
[10:22] <asac> sergiusens: ^^
[10:22]  * asac flashes ubuntu-system too 
[10:22] <thostr_> asac: recovering device now
[10:24] <popey> asac: sure, I'll flash now
[10:24] <asac> thostr_: so you know how to recover from this?
[10:24] <asac> good
[10:24] <asac> :)
[10:24] <thostr_> asac: doing it right now... just takes time
[10:24] <asac> yeah i know
[10:25] <kalikiana> asac: I also got an unbootable device with the latest phablet-flash. but since the flashing fails inside the boot loader I'm not sure if it fully upgraded
[10:26] <kalikiana> kinda hard to check when it's stuck at the Google logo
[10:26] <asac> kalikiana: really?
[10:26] <asac> kalikiana: what version of phablet-tools do you have?
[10:26] <kalikiana> 1.0+13.10.20130916.2-0ubuntu1 on saucy
[10:27] <asac> hmm... flashing with 1.0+13.10.20130917.1-0ubuntu1
[10:27] <asac> right now
[10:27] <popey> ditto
[10:27] <asac> not sure what i used last as i upgraded today
[10:27]  * popey makes tea
[10:29] <ogra> kalikiana, if you get that error you dont have the latest phablet-tools
[10:29] <asac> wait a sec
[10:29] <asac> so whats going on ?
[10:29] <asac> :-P
[10:29] <thostr_> asac: I got the same result as kalikiana
[10:29] <asac> what changed that the phablet-flash from yesterday creates a not bootable install?
[10:29] <asac> ogra: ?
[10:30] <Laney> mardy: I guess you need a depends on qmenumodel-qml?
[10:30] <asac> thostr_: check phablet-tools version too plz
[10:30] <Laney> I got unknown type
[10:30] <Laney> mardy: Also a blank page on my desktop where I have no wireless adaptor
[10:31] <thostr_> asac: upgrading now everything
[10:31] <asac> thostr_: which version did you have?
[10:31] <asac> please tell me :)
[10:31] <asac> i need to investigate whats going on
[10:32] <asac> -> I feel strongly that this this must never ever happen, so we need to fix the root
[10:32] <thostr_> asac: old one was from 4th of september
[10:32] <asac> thostr_: do you have the exact version?
[10:32] <thostr_> but install just went fine...
[10:32] <asac> i want to have people post-mortem that
[10:32] <thostr_>  1.0+13.10.20130904.1-0ubuntu1
[10:32] <Laney> mardy: OK blank panel on my laptop too
[10:32] <ogra> asac, nothing changed
[10:32] <Laney> does some service not start automatically?
[10:32] <kalikiana> hmm seems I can update from 1.0+13.10.20130904.1-0ubuntu1 to 1.0+13.10.20130917.1-0ubuntu1 now but only after manually 'apt-get update' just now
[10:32] <kalikiana> so it must be quite new
[10:32] <asac> ogra: since the 4th it makes sense ... we had channel rework etc.
[10:33] <asac> but also not acceptable
[10:33] <kalikiana> (I have auto updates usually)
[10:33] <ogra> ??
[10:33] <asac> its not acceptable that we break things in this way
[10:33] <asac> ever
[10:33] <ogra> asac, what do you mean ?
[10:33] <asac> you must never be able to brick your phone by using wrong version of phablet-tools
[10:33] <ogra> nothing broke
[10:33] <Laney> oh OK the service didn't start
[10:33] <kalikiana> I'm trying to flash with the new version now to see if it works then
[10:33] <Laney> what's wrong with dbus activation? :(
[10:34] <asac> ogra: it was broken for two folks by using wrong version
[10:34] <ogra> asac, popey as well as me are flashing multiple times every day
[10:34] <asac> ogra: yes, with always the latest
[10:34] <ogra> asac, well, then thats a bug, definitelly nothing that was introduced newly
[10:34] <asac> people that tidndt have the latest brocked their phone
[10:34] <asac> thats the problem
[10:34] <asac> sure
[10:34] <asac> i will file a bug
[10:34] <asac> and have someone check
[10:34] <ogra> yeah, i told you about that, the system image server was changed before phablet-tools was fixed
[10:35] <ogra> asac, we talked about it on tuesday
[10:35] <ogra> and yes we agreed that shouldnt happen again and i talked to stgraber about it
[10:35] <asac> thats fine
[10:35] <asac> i want to hear how we guarantee that this wont happen
[10:35] <asac> so filing a bug
[10:35] <asac> needs to be fixed at the root
[10:36] <ogra> by telling people (as we do anyway) to make sure to update to the latest phablet-tools ... how else wouold you prevent them ?
[10:36] <asac> kalikiana: which version of phablet-tools did you use when bricking your phone?
[10:36] <popey> oooh, new icons
[10:36] <asac> kalikiana: which version with which image?
[10:36] <asac> ogra: wrong answer :)
[10:36] <asac> hence
[10:36] <asac> i need to have a talk
[10:36] <ogra> there will always be changes to the protocol at some point, no way to cover that without phablet-tools update
[10:36] <asac> you can easily have proper compatibility/spec tracking
[10:36] <asac> etc.
[10:37] <mardy> Laney: yep, it needs a new indicator-network: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && reboot
[10:37] <ogra> not if there is nothing to be compatible to
[10:37] <asac> there was
[10:37] <asac> we had a first revision of the channels
[10:37] <asac> that worked
[10:37] <iKillCypher> ogra, why are there so many critical bugs
[10:37] <asac> then we changed it and broke it because we dont have proper protocol tracking
[10:37] <ogra> asac, the old way of generating system images had to be dropped for the new way you requested
[10:37] <ogra> cant do both at the same time
[10:37] <asac> still... :)
[10:37] <asac> trust me
[10:38] <Laney> mardy: I just started it manually
[10:38] <ogra> so if there is nothing to be comaptible with  how would you prevent breakage ?
[10:38] <Laney> why isn't it dbus activated though?
[10:38] <ogra> if the ABI changes both sides need to change
[10:38] <mardy> Laney: it worked all fine here, after a reboot
[10:38] <Saviq> mardy, everything will be started via upstart, hence just one instance of everything
[10:38] <ogra> iKillCypher, because you didnt send patches to fix them ?
[10:38] <ogra> :)
[10:38] <iKillCypher> :(
[10:39] <Laney> sure, because then the service is started by upstart
[10:39] <iKillCypher> I still trying to figure out certain stuff about how it works
[10:39] <Laney> it's just a bit less than ideal to have to do that or start it yourself
[10:39] <kalikiana> asac: 1.0+13.10.20130904.1-0ubuntu1 with ubuntu-system
[10:39] <Laney> when ways to start dbus services already exist
[10:39] <Saviq> mardy, but we indeed need a common, easy way to send arguments to apps that are already running
[10:39] <asac> kalikiana: ok so the same as thostr... thanks
[10:39] <asac> kalikiana: thostr_: sorry  for the inconvenience
[10:39] <ogra> asac, there should have been some announcement for the phablet-tools update ... i agree thats an issue ... but we cant guarantee no ABI breakage if the server gets re-written from scratch and produces something completely different
[10:40] <asac> no thats not good enough either
[10:40] <asac> dont worry, i will get it fixed for real
[10:40] <asac> just need to talk to folks and then we make policy that will prevent it
[10:40] <ogra> how will you fix it ?
[10:41] <Laney> mardy: commented on the mp, the missing dependency is probably the only thing that has to be fixed
[10:41] <thostr_> asac: ogra: just introduce proper versioning
[10:41] <Laney> mardy: can you merge trunk and update po too while you're there?
[10:41] <asac> ogra: i cant reveal all trade secrets :)
[10:41] <popey> asac: ogra 56 seems good on mako
[10:41] <iKillCypher> https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1226614
[10:41] <asac> just wait
[10:41] <iKillCypher> wtf
[10:41]  * ogra doesnt get it, you asked stgraber for a re-write that supports your new use case that required to throw away the old way of generating images
[10:41] <asac> thostr_: you get it :)
[10:42] <kalikiana> "always use the latest" is a meaningless advise to be frank - even if I have regular updates I cannot know if I just crossed the line with the next image, there's a huge race condition in telling me to always update "when I can"
[10:42] <ogra> thostr_, thats exactly what the server change did
[10:42] <asac> and a promise for allways backward compatible
[10:42] <ogra> asac, then dont ask for complete rewrites of the core :P
[10:42] <sil2100> ogra: well, I'm thinking also about adding the click-update-manager to the seed as well
[10:43] <ogra> sil2100, great, i'm fine with that
[10:43] <sil2100> ogra: I'll publish those two projects once they're built
[10:43] <sil2100> ogra: thanks!
[10:43] <ogra> ah, not in archive yet ?
[10:45] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:45] <asac> ogra: is 56 good for you too?
[10:45] <asac> hi davmor2
[10:45] <popey> hey davmor2
[10:46]  * davmor2 is loving the mtp
[10:46] <mardy> Laney: ok
[10:47] <popey> davmor2: yeah, handy isnt it!?
[10:47] <Laney> mardy: it's blank on my nexus 7
[10:47]  * ogra waits for the last sms he sent to mark it good
[10:48] <ogra> asac, 56 is good on maguro
[10:48] <mardy> Laney: "make pot", right?
[10:48] <ogra> should it throw it out to the masses ?
[10:48] <Laney> cd po; qmake .; make pot
[10:48] <asac> popey: ogra: lets go then :)
[10:48] <asac> push the button
[10:49] <ogra> sil2100, please let me know when they are done, i cant update the seeds without the packages being fully published
[10:49] <mardy> Laney: OK. About the blankness, what does "apt-cache policy indicator-network" say?
[10:49]  * ogra goes and pushes buttons
[10:49] <Laney> mardy: 0913
[10:49] <asac> popey: if you send the mail you might want to capture the historic moment with a screenshot attached
[10:49] <asac> popey: of the dashboard showing too green entries on top :)
[10:49] <asac> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/
[10:50] <sil2100> ogra: ;) Ok, they're still building, so it should be ready in a few monents
[10:51] <ogra> sil2100, yeah, no hurry, i just dont want to have to do it twice :)
[10:51] <mardy> Laney: old. Did you run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?
[10:51] <popey> asac: kk
[10:51] <Laney> mardy: doing so now
[10:52] <Laney> mardy: please version the dependency if you need a particular version
[10:52] <mardy> Laney: right
[10:52] <asac> ogra: so i assume we wait with the seed changes until all the bits that we want to have for tday are ready>
[10:52] <asac> or do we want to go and pop off those that are isolcated (e.g. js)
[10:52] <ogra> asac, right, we have to
[10:52] <asac> well,you could already upload the jscript thingy if thats good
[10:53] <asac> then we have that in the bank at least
[10:53] <ogra> right, and Mirv's seed change as well
[10:53] <asac> who knows what happens to the rest :)
[10:53] <asac> ogra: if thats ready, then too. yes
[10:53] <iKillCypher> ogra, can you point me to  ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager[1174]: <warn> could not mark modem as powered: org.ofono.Error.Failed Operation failed
[10:53] <asac> ogra: Mirv's thing needs a test confirm
[10:53] <ogra> Mirv, your package is already fully published in the archive ?
[10:53] <ogra> asac, for the seeding ?
[10:54] <asac> ogra: well, that installing it will do the right thing i guess
[10:54] <ogra> iKillCypher, thats normal
[10:54] <asac> Mirv: are we sure we have the latest in archive? and not an old version?
[10:54] <iKillCypher> meaning
[10:54] <asac> Mirv: i remember that they did direct uploads before
[10:54] <ogra> that doesnt matter for seeding
[10:54] <ogra> version isnt taken into account
[10:54]  * davmor2 flashes phone with 56 to see if 3g magically works for him
[10:54] <asac> well, if the current version breaks the image :0
[10:54] <asac> then it matters
[10:54] <Laney> mardy: works with the new one
[10:54] <Laney> push those changes then I will approve
[10:54] <asac> rather seed once we know what is in is wanted
[10:54] <ogra> asac, not for updating the seeds :) ... but yeah, indeed
[10:55] <iKillCypher> humm ogra care to explain
[10:55] <iKillCypher> what is normal
[10:55] <ogra> iKillCypher, that line is normal ... ignore it
[10:55] <asac> we can look at the trunk
[10:55] <asac> if we find it :)
[10:55] <ogra> its just a warning, not an error
[10:55] <asac> hgmm
[10:55] <asac> Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-hackers/clickmanager-plugin/trunk looks odd
[10:55] <asac> doesnt have the version release commits
[10:55] <asac> but not sure
[10:56] <mardy> Laney: pushed
[10:56] <iKillCypher> so what is causing the phone not register celluar radio then?
[10:56] <asac> -> ci channel
[10:56] <ogra> asac, are you on the right track ? click was sil2100
[10:56] <asac> oh :)
[10:56] <asac> yeah
[10:56] <ogra> line 29 in landring plan
[10:57] <ogra> is what we talk about
[10:57] <asac> well, i use ffox
[10:57] <asac> because chrome is busted
[10:57] <asac> and there i work with a visual offset :)
[10:57] <ogra> so i guess the INFLIGHT thing there is the seed change
[10:57] <iKillCypher> so what is causing the phone not register celluar radio then? < ogra any clue on how I can debug this issue ?
[10:57] <asac> oki think the right versionm is in the archive
[10:57] <asac> at tleast the one documented in the comments
[10:58] <asac> hmm. but the merge command came after
[10:58] <Stskeeps> iKillCypher: are you on a qualcomm device and is it cyanogenmod based android userland..?
[10:58] <ogra> ok, let me try to update the seeds then ... takes a while
[10:58] <asac> ogra: we need to confirm if the final merge he wanted is in
[10:58] <ogra> asac, right ...
[10:58] <asac> ogra: sure, try ... if it doesnt break the image
[10:58] <asac> its ok
[10:58] <asac> even if the other stuff is still flying
[10:58] <iKillCypher> Stskeeps, yes im on a qualcom device and it is cm based
[10:58] <ogra> updating the sseed != uploading meta :)
[10:58] <iKillCypher> xperia z which I ported android for it
[10:58] <ogra> i'll hold back the latter until we are safe
[10:59] <Stskeeps> iKillCypher: hmm, how about the rild? comes from qualcomm codeaurora or from cm?
[10:59] <iKillCypher> it is open source
[11:00] <iKillCypher> Stskeeps, https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_sony_qcom-common/tree/cm-10.2/libril
[11:00] <iKillCypher> Stskeeps, https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1226614
[11:00] <asac> jibel: you need to kick http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/current/20130918.1.html manually?
[11:00] <asac> if so, please do :)
[11:00] <asac> oh no
[11:00] <asac> ignore last line
[11:02] <popey> mail sent
[11:02] <ogra> \o/
[11:05] <Laney> mardy: is someone working on making it show / prompt for security?
[11:06] <mardy> Laney: the wifi panel? No idea
[11:06] <Laney> hm
[11:16] <davmor2> popey: still no 3g on maguro :(
[11:17] <ogra> davmor2, complain to your provider ... it works for me
[11:18] <davmor2> ogra: ofono's bit is working, it's the nm talking to ofono that isn't
[11:19] <Mirv> asac: it'll have version release commits when the first release from cu2d gets published
[11:20] <ogra> davmor2, hmm, i only get edge here ... but i have mobile data
[11:20] <asac> Mirv: ic... thanks
[11:20] <asac> i thought that might be the case, but better safe than sorry
[11:23] <Mirv> asac: and yes also in this channel, I checked that everything up to the latest commit at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-credentials/trunk is in the uploaded package of u1-credentials, they just have a "stable" branch separately (which includes a merge of all of trunk) and then even more separately there is a branch which contains the debian/ packaging
[11:23] <Mirv> asac: so it's sort of manual and they didn't want the daily release preparation commit from robru before 13.10 releases
[11:23] <popey> davmor2: what provider?
[11:23] <Mirv> probably because they know one way of doing the releases and don't want to change it right now
[11:23] <davmor2> ogra: this is after a fresh flash with --no-backup
[11:23] <popey> davmor2: did you restart network manager?
[11:24] <davmor2> popey: nope
[11:24] <popey> you may want to
[11:24] <popey> that fix isnt in yet
[11:24] <davmor2> popey: that's what I asked you and you said yup on G+ :P
[11:26] <popey> yes. because I was testing new packages from cyphermox
[11:26] <davmor2> ah nice
[11:26] <popey> works nicely
[11:26] <asac> Mirv: ok good. ic
[11:26]  * ogra wonders when these will land
[11:27] <davmor2> popey: now it's all making sense :)
[11:30] <rickspencer3> nice, a car2go app in More Suggestions!
[11:30] <jibel> asac, it is supposed to be automated now, but apparently failed. I'll fix that. meanwhile I ran it manually and latest changes are online
[11:31] <iKillCypher> ogra, you still have gotten to me back
[11:31] <iKillCypher> haven*
[11:31] <asac> nice
[11:31] <asac> popey: jibels changes should be on. thx
[11:31] <ogra> iKillCypher, ?
[11:32] <iKillCypher> who is incharge of radio in ubuntu-touch?
[11:32] <ogra> you assigned your bou to him yesterday
[11:32] <ogra> *bug
[11:33] <ogra> so he should be aware, but i doubt he will have much time for it before releasedate ...
[11:34] <iKillCypher> oh cool
[11:34] <iKillCypher> does he comes on IRC?
[11:34] <ogra> it surely helps if you collect more detailed debug info though (like answering the question from Stskeeps above and put that info in the bug etc)
[11:34] <rickspencer3> popey, ogra wow, long change log for 56 ... nice
[11:35] <iKillCypher> yeah Im chatting with him see if I can get more info
[11:35] <ogra> and running ofono in debug mode (google should have info how to do that) etc etc
[11:35] <davmor2> rickspencer3: The list of apps is most impressive,  beru the ebook reader is pretty good too :)
[11:35] <ogra> rickspencer3, well, see the dashboard ... !
[11:37] <ogra> Laney, could we get approval for bug 1224665 soon ? that will unblock the rest of the multimedia changes
[11:37] <rickspencer3> woah, music on the home scope
[11:38] <ogra> rickspencer3, huh ?
[11:38] <rickspencer3> ogra, what's with the missing 2.5%?
[11:38] <rickspencer3> just kidding
[11:38] <ogra> rickspencer3, i'm just testing that change here, you shouldnt see that yet
[11:38] <rickspencer3> ogra, dashboard is awesome
[11:38] <rickspencer3> ogra, I just installed 56, and I am definately looking at Music on the Home Scope
[11:38] <ogra> thats weird
[11:38] <rickspencer3> great work on getting to really GREEN
[11:38] <rickspencer3> ogra, try doing a search on the home scope and see if music shows up?
[11:39] <ogra> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhr3/+junk/more-scope-overrides/revision/31
[11:39] <rickspencer3> assuming you have som emusic?
[11:39] <ogra> thats the change that is supposed to add it
[11:39] <asac> rickspencer3: its not a german green yet :) ..~. we took a screen shot and land CSS fix that only goes green for 100% :)
[11:39] <ogra> and that change wasnt uploaded yet
[11:39]  * rickspencer3 stifles comments about "German Green"
[11:39] <asac> hehe
[11:39] <ogra> i wonder if there is some other default that kicks in
[11:39] <asac> just fun
[11:41] <rickspencer3> popey, mhall the radio click app didn't install for me
[11:41] <rickspencer3> :,(
[11:41] <Laney> ogra: soon, I didn't look at the new packaging changes yet
[11:41] <ogra> for me it installs but doesnt run
[11:41] <ogra> Laney, thanks
[11:41] <Laney> ogra: can you get a new debdiff up? that'd make it easier
[11:41] <davmor2> rickspencer3: didn't install or didn't run?
[11:41] <popey> rickspencer3: odd.. installs here
[11:41] <ogra> Laney, i probably can produce one from ricardos tree
[11:41] <Laney> ok
[11:41] <rickspencer3> popey, hmmmm
[11:41] <Laney> who will be uploading?
[11:42] <rickspencer3> I think I found a juicy bug, then
[11:42] <ogra> i'm fine to do that
[11:42] <Laney> k
[11:42] <Laney> diff it up then
[11:42] <rickspencer3> popey, I tried installing it, but the phone suspended during install
[11:42]  * Laney installs this new u-s-s and crosses fingers ... 
[11:42] <ogra> unless you want to ... as the master of gst :)
[11:42] <popey> nice!
[11:42] <Laney> no :P
[11:42] <Laney> although there is a new upstream release ...
[11:43] <Laney> BAH, segfault
[11:43] <nik90|Laptop> hi everyone :)
[11:43] <davmor2> rickspencer3: ah so cjwatson could do with a click continue to work in the background hook then
[11:43] <nik90|Laptop> Is there any QML Api to trigger haptic or audio feedback?
[11:43] <nik90|Laptop> I need them to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1227194
[11:44] <rickspencer3> davmor2, or we don't let the phone suspend during install
[11:44] <rickspencer3> thought I suppose there could be other things that cause an interuption
[11:44] <gatox> sil2100, ping.... hi, are you waiting for the autopilot tests to land the updater projects or that already land yesterday?
[11:45] <davmor2> rickspencer3: opening another app might be one too if it is anything like the musicplayer
[11:45] <gatox> sil2100, i'm working on that, but i'm having some failures running autopilot and i don't want to block the release of that
[11:45] <AskUbuntu> Latest Ubuntu touch installation on Xperia Neo | http://askubuntu.com/q/347451
[11:45] <popey> rickspencer3: I don't think we should ever supress suspend. That way leads to burning phones in pockets
[11:45] <davmor2> rickspencer3: or scrolling to an already open app that is in the background
[11:45] <rickspencer3> davmor2, ok, I'm logging a bug
[11:46] <popey> in the same way it leads to burning laptops in bags with ubuntu desktop
[11:46] <rickspencer3> fair enough
[11:47] <popey> hmm. if you install a lot of apps, the phone slows to a crawl on boot
[11:47] <popey> apparmor_parser eats the cpu
[11:48] <ogra> sounds liek a bug
[11:48] <popey> yeah
[11:49] <davmor2> man I wish I could sit an play on the phone all day filing bugs but unfortunately these 927 apps won't migrate themselves or process themselves in the queue
[11:49] <rickspencer3> popey, davmor2 I put the bug on the click scope, but I doubt that is the right place: bug #1227601
[11:49] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, is there any debug info I can pull from the phone?
[11:50] <popey> s
[11:50] <popey> bah
[11:51] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, beuno ^ ?
[11:52] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: oh, I encountered that
[11:52] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, any info I can attach to the bug report?
[11:52] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: let me see me workaround
[11:53] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: I got it working by killing the download manager and removing its .cache and .local/share/download_manager
[11:54] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, ok ... but maybe we should fix the product? ;)
[11:54] <popey> bug 1227604  if anyone fancies installing a truckload of apps and test
[11:54] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: I don't know what to attach. you might try that workaround
[11:55] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: oh for sure, but that I think points to the download manager as the problem
[11:55] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, I'll try the work around and attach that info
[11:55] <rickspencer3> it seems like the scope could clear out previous download attempts as well
[11:55]  * jdstrand nods
[11:56] <jjohansen> jdstrand: are we not compiling the policy as part of the install?
[11:56] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: I think another trigger is to move away from the screen while it is downloading
[11:56] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, oh, that is an easier repro, maybe you could drop that in the description for the bug?
[11:57] <rickspencer3> and we should automate a test for this
[11:57] <asac> cyphermox: hey ... i added a landing ask in row 56 for your NM fixes (wifi/3g roaming)
[11:57] <asac> cyphermox: please let me know when you have the patch cleaned etc.
[11:57] <jdstrand> jjohansen: we do compile policy on install, but if we get a new kernel on boot, then policy is recompiled
[11:57] <jdstrand> popey: ^
[11:58] <popey> dont think i got a new kernel
[11:58] <popey> i just added a click package and rebooted
[11:58] <ogra> why would you get a new kernel ?
[11:59] <jdstrand> if someone does a system update, doesn't that give a new kernel on first boot?
[11:59] <popey> I'm just saying the criteria jdstrand said for apparmor parser running doesn't match my experience
[11:59] <popey> i updated, rebooted, installed click package, rebooted
[11:59] <popey> it was the last reboot which was slow
[11:59] <jjohansen> popey: is it still slow on a reboot? 2nd boot I would expect the policy cache to be up to date
[11:59] <popey> that was a second reboot
[11:59] <popey> happy to boot again
[11:59] <popey> one mo
[11:59] <jdstrand> something changed with click in that regard, let me look at it
[11:59] <jdstrand> popey: yes, please
[12:00] <popey> uh
[12:00] <popey> LOADS of apparmor_parsers running
[12:00] <ogra> thats normal, it forks ...
[12:00] <jdstrand> loads of them are fine
[12:00] <ogra> but it should only happen on first boot
[12:00] <popey> top - 12:00:46 up 0 min,  0 users,  load average: 5.52, 1.56, 0.53
[12:00] <ogra> we had that before
[12:00] <jdstrand> but they should all go away immediately with a cache
[12:00] <popey> this is 3rd boot
[12:01] <ogra> right after flipping the images
[12:01] <ogra> (though back then it was a kernel issue)
[12:01] <jdstrand> popey: so, it is pegged-- they are still going?
[12:01] <popey> yes
[12:01] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: Maybe /home/phablet/.cache/unity-scope-click.log
[12:01] <popey> oof, got booted out of adb
[12:01] <jdstrand> popey: can you do 'ps auxww|grep click
[12:01] <cjwatson> (sorry, haven't looked in detail, working on release schedule stuff)
[12:01] <popey> finished now, still no unity
[12:01] <ogra> popey, likely OOM
[12:02] <popey> phablet    974  2.2  0.4  14996  8624 ?        Ss   12:00   0:02 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/click hook install-user
[12:02] <popey> phablet   2472 41.0  0.3  11372  5960 ?        R    12:02   0:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/click pkgdir com.ubuntu.developer.daker.rad.io
[12:02] <cjwatson> jdstrand: we run system hooks on boot nowadays
[12:02] <jdstrand> cjwatson: yes, I was going to ask what install-system is doing
[12:02] <cjwatson> jdstrand: just runs system hooks, shouldn't be anything exotic
[12:03] <popey> right, now unity is starting
[12:03] <cjwatson> jdstrand: maybe it's updating things when it doesn't need to or something
[12:03] <popey> top - 12:03:22 up 3 min,  0 users,  load average: 2.67, 2.12, 0.93
[12:03] <popey> so 3 mins this time
[12:03] <jdstrand> popey: well, the ps auxww was after the parser
[12:03] <cjwatson> jdstrand: I'll have a look at the details of timestamp updates and such
[12:03] <popey> they'd gone by then
[12:03] <jdstrand> popey: can you fill a bug-- we have two places where we cache
[12:04] <sil2100> gatox: no no, we're publishing the packages already
[12:04] <popey> bug 1227604
[12:04] <gatox> sil2100, awesome! great news
[12:04] <jdstrand> cjwatson: aa-clickhook is supposed to already do that
[12:04] <gatox> sil2100, i'll ping you with the autopilot tests as soon as possible
[12:04] <jdstrand> popey: ack, thanks
[12:04] <popey> jdstrand: ^^
[12:04] <cjwatson> jdstrand: I think I've noticed click unnecessarily updating the symlink timestamp
[12:04] <popey> cool
[12:04] <cjwatson> jdstrand: which might cause aa-clickhook to regenerate unnecessarily?
[12:04] <jdstrand> cjwatson: let me check
[12:05] <jjohansen> or possibly the parser
[12:05] <jdstrand> jjohansen: it isn't supposed to hit the parser
[12:05] <cjwatson> (also, this should get better when click is in C, but that's not for 13.10)
[12:05] <jdstrand> jjohansen: well, of course we hit the parser for what is already generated, yes, but I don't think that is the bug
[12:06] <jjohansen> jdstrand: the parser is looking at timestamps though, probably isn't the parser but we can look there if it isn't click
[12:06] <jdstrand> jjohansen: yes
[12:07] <cwayne> nic-doffay: ping
[12:08] <jdstrand> popey: that is with the most up to date image?
[12:10] <sergiusens> jdstrand, stable, 56
[12:10] <jdstrand> ok, I'll update, I'm sure I can reproduce
[12:10] <jdstrand> cjwatson: right now I think it is in click-apparmor, but let me look at it more
[12:11] <hramrach> GuidoPallemans: it's trivial to install when you run Ubuntu, and not so much when not
[12:11] <hramrach> either way the lock app looks cool bu can't really say muc about usablitiy without trying it on a real touch device
[12:11] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, so I should just delete everything in ~/.local/share/download-manager?
[12:11] <GuidoPallemans> hramrach: woah, what are you replying to?
[12:12] <GuidoPallemans> hramrach: ah, yes... that's true
[12:12] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: that is what I did, I don't know if it is strictly necessary
[12:12] <hramrach> that installin ubuntu-sdk is 1 command
[12:12] <GuidoPallemans> hramrach: I implemented it, because I remember how I had a windows phone 6, and I wanted android so bad, just for that cool lock it had, and only later discovered all the apps
[12:13] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, didn't work :/
[12:13] <GuidoPallemans> hramrach: I think that something like this can really make people say "woah, what's that?", just from unlocking the device
[12:14] <jdstrand> cjwatson: actually, is it possible tempfile.mkstemp would fail when that job runs?
[12:15] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: :(
[12:15] <jdstrand> must be a different bug then
[12:16] <cjwatson> jdstrand: don't see why, it's "start on filesystem"
[12:16] <pmcgowan> ogra, jppiiroinen and I are discussing how qtc should enable ssh to run
[12:16] <jdstrand> I'll no more after I update
[12:16] <jdstrand> know even
[12:16] <rickspencer3> ok
[12:16] <rickspencer3> meantime, not radio for me :)
[12:16] <pmcgowan> ogra, I thought it was running but disabled, but perhaps I am wrong, does touching that file trigger upstrat to launch the service?
[12:17] <ogra> pmcgowan, it has to be disabled by default and i asked on the bug to use the method i described to enable it
[12:17] <ogra> pmcgowan, i would expect the SDK to now use that method
[12:18] <jppiiroinen> ogra: i just execute "service ssh start"
[12:18] <jppiiroinen> ogra: as i noticed that it was set to manual
[12:18] <jppiiroinen> ogra: i was thinking that this way the "roadwarriors" wont be running their devices open
[12:18] <jppiiroinen> like after reboot the ssh would be down
[12:18] <ogra> pmcgowan, the touching is just to make it permanent, indeed you have to (like for all not running services) issue a "start ssh" to have it running right now ... i was kind of assuming that basic knowledge
[12:19] <ogra> jppiiroinen, right, unless you echo "" into the override file
[12:19] <Chocanto> danielholm: Hey ! I see you proposed the merge for the toolbar fix on the docviewer
[12:21] <Chocanto> mhall119: Ping
[12:21] <Chocanto> danielholm_: Hey ! I see you proposed the merge for the toolbar fix on the docviewer
[12:21] <danielholm_> Chocanto: hi! I got the first notification, but cant open that old window of smuxi. SOrry.
[12:22] <danielholm_> Chocanto: that is correct
[12:22] <danielholm_> by dpm
[12:23] <Chocanto> danielholm_: Ok :) Unfortunately I can't merge it right now... I need to make a plugin available before
[12:23] <Chocanto> danielholm_: You need it promptly ?
[12:23] <danielholm_> Chocanto: aha okay. please ping if you need any help. I really ned the docviewer working for school ;) I'd be happy to help
[12:24] <danielholm_> Chocanto: nah, not that bat. I think I can wait some more.
[12:24] <danielholm_> Chocanto: I thought I might give it a try to install on the device from SDK
[12:25] <Chocanto> danielholm_: Ok :) I'll try to see if I can add all new features today
[12:25] <danielholm_> Chocanto: that would be awesome! :)
[12:25] <Chocanto> danielholm_: You can but it's a bit difficult
[12:25] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, what's the package name for rad.io ?
[12:25] <Chocanto> danielholm_: You can always install the daily build package on your device
[12:26] <Chocanto> danielholm_: then correct the part where it make it don't work
[12:26] <danielholm_> Chocanto: ok. I got my nexus 4 yesterday and tried out the new image, with system read only, and I'm unsure how to upgrade/install other .debs now. its like impossible, right?
[12:26] <Chocanto> danielholm_: But I'm not reallt sure it can work
[12:26] <Chocanto> danielholm_: It's possible yes
[12:26] <danielholm_> Chocanto: I was thinkhing about doing that, but havent tried yes since read only
[12:26] <danielholm_> oh, it is?
[12:26] <Chocanto> danielholm_: But you have the new sdk version, so I will not work :)
[12:28] <danielholm_> Chocanto: darn it :P
[12:28] <Chocanto> danielholm_: I can only advise you to wait a little, and I will ping you to tell you what will be done
[12:28] <danielholm_> so I have to get back to the cdimage-touch?
[12:28] <danielholm_> lovely
[12:28] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, maybe this helps more? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/150707510/ubuntu-download-manager.log
[12:29] <rickspencer3> I suppose it's com.ubuntu.developer.daker.rad-io_0.1_unknown.click
[12:29] <danielholm_> Chocanto: thank you :) and please do tell if you need anything
[12:30] <danielholm_> now, I'll try to get back my readl nick :P
[12:30] <Chocanto> danielholm_: If it will work today I can ask to test the docviwer with you pdf's yes )
[12:30] <Chocanto> :)
[12:30] <danielholm_> Chocanto: great! :)
[12:30] <danielholm_> take care
[12:31] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, yeah.. pkcon" ("-p", "install-local", "/home/phablet/.local/share/download_manager/{a34755b0-918d-40e7-97ad-58506a4e8a87}/com.ubuntu.developer.daker.rad-io_0.1_unknown.click")
[12:32] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, is that a work around, or you want me to do that to debug?
[12:32] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, that's from your log :-)
[12:32] <rickspencer3> oh
[12:32] <rickspencer3> lol
[12:32] <rickspencer3> fair enough
[12:34] <asac> ricmm: do you know whats going on with the URL parsing or should we call ted?
[12:35] <lool> ricmm: I've tested latest upstart-app-launch + url-dispatcher + music-app + qtubuntu + platform-api, and I get a space on the process cmdline
[12:35] <lool> ricmm: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmlscene /usr/share/music-app/music-app.qml --file= file:///home/phablet/Music/bilan-et-perspectives-cd-cd-03-monde-de-droite.flac --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/music-app.desktop
[12:36] <lool> ricmm: I guess this is in upstart-app-launch/helpers.c somewhere, haven't debugged yet; do you have this fixed somewhere?
[12:37] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, jdstrand cjwatson ** (process:2601): WARNING **: Unable to load desktop file '/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.ubuntu.developer.daker.rad.io/rad.io.desktop': Key file does not start with a group
[12:37] <sergiusens> desktop file is busted
[12:37] <daker> sergiusens: i believe you are using an old package
[12:37] <OrokuSaki> Morning all
[12:38] <sergiusens> daker, I installed what was available on the store
[12:38] <sergiusens> let me try again in case I'm cached
[12:38] <daker> sergiusens: you are right
[12:39] <daker> i'll push an update tonight if you want to check here is an updated click package http://ubuntuone.com/6fCGAjnnU1qsuEG31cw6L5
[12:39] <sergiusens> daker, thanks
[12:39] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, wait until tonight
[12:39] <jdstrand> sergiusens: what was that from, the review script?
[12:40] <sergiusens> jdstrand, no, I upstart started it from the cli
[12:40] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, sure, but note that it worked just fine for popey
[12:40] <popey> rickspencer3: i didnt install from store
[12:40] <sergiusens> start application APP_ID=com.ubuntu.developer.daker.rad.io_rad.io_0.1
[12:40] <rickspencer3> oh
[12:40] <popey> rickspencer3: I was testing click packages with daker last night
[12:40] <rickspencer3> popey, you cheater!
[12:40] <jdstrand> sergiusens: is that in the store now?
[12:40] <sergiusens> jdstrand, yeah :-/
[12:40] <daker> rickspencer3: this one http://ubuntuone.com/6fCGAjnnU1qsuEG31cw6L5
[12:40] <popey> yes. yes I am.
[12:40] <rickspencer3> nm, I can just wait
[12:40] <rickspencer3> I guess I'll set the bug report as invalid
[12:41] <jdstrand> sergiusens: I'll look at the review scripts to see if we can detect that
[12:41] <sergiusens> jdstrand, not sure we already validate proper desktop files
[12:41] <jdstrand> sergiusens: tbh, I'm quite surprised it didn't already
[12:42] <daker> one thing i can't find on the click package docs is the "architecture" dholbach said i need to set that to "armhf" on the manifest
[12:42] <jdstrand> daker: in manifest.json
[12:42] <jdstrand> daker: "architecture": "armhf",
[12:43] <daker> jdstrand: ya but that's not mentioned here https://click-package.readthedocs.org/en/latest/file-format.html
[12:43] <danielholm> Hi all, I'm trying to use the Arguments API for Music app, but having some issues
[12:43] <jdstrand> daker: yes, I believe it was temporary and then turned into something more widely used. perhaps cjwatson can comment
[12:44] <danielholm> I cant use the args.defaultArgument.at(0)
[12:45] <danielholm> it gives me the qml file and not the file Iäm trying to run
[12:45] <danielholm> ?
[12:46] <jdstrand> sergiusens: the review script clearly shows an inability to parse the desktop file
[12:46] <jdstrand> sergiusens: I'll comment on the list
[12:48] <kalikiana> tvoss: ping
[12:55] <ogra> sil2100, so, your seed changes ... how far are the packages ?
[12:57]  * sil2100 checks the queue
[12:57] <sil2100> ogra: so, it's still in the NEW queue, I asked Colin to push them further but I guess he's busy
[12:57] <ogra> yeah, other release team tasks ...
[12:57] <nic-doffay> cwayne, pong
[12:58] <sil2100> But he said he'll take care of that in the nearest moments
[12:58] <ogra> sil2100, btw, dont you like -ci-eng anymore ? :)
[12:58] <sil2100> ogra: heh, didn't add that to my auto-join ;)
[12:59] <cwayne> nic-doffay: hi, i had some questions about the infographic if you had a second?
[13:00] <lool> ricmm: This is LP #1227632
[13:01] <plars> gusch: hi
[13:01] <gusch> plars: hi
[13:01] <plars> gusch: ran across bug #1227373 quite a bit
[13:01] <plars> gusch: seems to sometimes pass, sometimes fail
[13:02] <plars> gusch: on one of the devices with the latest build, it passed the first time, the other took about 5 retries
[13:02] <plars> gusch: I remember seeing it before on and off too though
[13:02] <plars> gusch: is this one you're aware of?
[13:03] <gusch> plars: no - om26er are you? ^
[13:03] <plars> om26er: might be interested too:  bug #1227373
[13:04] <om26er> gusch, plars sure
[13:04] <asac> om26er: plars: i think we discussed that this test needs to be redone
[13:04] <asac> thomi said there was a reliable way to do that
[13:05] <sergiusens> gusch, this tests checks if the shutter goes from disabled to enabled when shooting a photo with very high chances of races since its testing a transition
[13:05] <sergiusens> autopilot is not really design to test 'animations' this way
[13:05] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, this is all very suspicious, any chance what we are using to inject touches is faulty?
[13:05] <om26er> so we should not check if the button was disabled?
[13:06] <pmcgowan> seems like all these symptoms would happen if we got two instead of one touch
[13:06] <asac> i thought thomi said there are better ways to do that
[13:06] <om26er> remove that one like which asserts that and it should not fail
[13:06] <cjwatson> daker,jdstrand,dholbach: the architecture field is still in flux and may change; bdmurray is working on a chroot management tool which is kind of a soft prereq for that
[13:06] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, no, you have two 'waits' for events one after the other for the same action
[13:06] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, autopilot is not real time and does not store and forward states to be consumed
[13:06] <tedg> lool, Hey, I hear you missed me!  :-)
[13:07] <pmcgowan> I am seeing failed tests where a button or widget is not in the state it should be after one touch
[13:07] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, I am not yet buying the race thing
[13:07] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, well that test in particular is a different case
[13:07] <pmcgowan> ok
[13:07] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, I discussed last week with thomi and om26er and we agreed it was racy
[13:08] <jdstrand> popey: can you paste the output of the command in http://paste.ubuntu.com/6128227/
[13:09] <popey> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6128230/
[13:09] <lool> tedg: hey
[13:09] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, based on what? do we have data on the types of tests failing and how often?
[13:09] <lool> tedg: https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/upstart-app-launch/lp-1227632/+merge/186526 for the link to bug and what I understand of the issue
[13:09] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, frankly something not adding up, this should be much more consistent
[13:09] <lool> tedg: LP #1227632
[13:09] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, based on the code http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/trunk/view/head:/tests/autopilot/camera_app/tests/test_capture.py#L141
[13:10] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, look at those final two lines
[13:10] <jdstrand> cjwatson: fyi, for now for compiled programs developers are being requested to use "architecture": "armhf", unitl the fat packages/etc thing is worked out. if that is wrong, should be discussed on the list
[13:10] <lool> tedg: I'm also pretty suspicious that it wont work with spaces in the filenames, but haven't tested that yet
[13:10] <lool> tedg: branch is untested BTW, was hoping to get .debs from bot
[13:10] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, that looks odd
[13:11] <tedg> lool, Yeah, I don't think that'll work.
[13:11] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, by the time you try self.assertThat(exposure_button.enabled, Eventually(Equals(False))) the _transition_ might have already happened
[13:11] <jdstrand> popey: oh, this was unexpected: stat: cannot stat '/var/cache/apparmor/*': No such file or directory
[13:11] <tedg> lool, Let me look though.
[13:11] <cjwatson> jdstrand: It would be nice if somebody had told me
[13:11] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, ok I buy that this is a bad test
[13:11] <popey> jdstrand: double checked, it's right ☻
[13:11] <jdstrand> popey: I thought I narrowed it down to "stat: cannot stat '/etc/apparmor.d/cache/*': No such file or directory"
[13:11] <cjwatson> jdstrand: I suspect that architecture may need to become a list; I suppose I'll have to rename it if people are using it
[13:12] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I thought it was on the list or you were in cc in emails. sorry if you weren;t
[13:12] <cjwatson> jdstrand: (there's a reason that the click file format has a mechanism for extensions)
[13:12]  * jdstrand didn't drive that-- it was a bit of a group thing
[13:12] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, this test can be done with signals and parsing them afterwards (no threading here) or just manually
[13:13] <jdstrand> popey: I don't doubt the output :)
[13:13] <cjwatson> in future can you make sure that anything other than "x-" prefixed manifest elements you're recommending to developers are explicitly in the file-format spec before they're used
[13:13] <jdstrand> popey: as root, can you do 'touch /var/cache/apparmor/foo'
[13:14] <tedg> lool, Okay, I thought we were splitting on space.  But it looks like just a split on %.
[13:14] <cjwatson> sil2100: could you please make click-update-manager not build on powerpc (i.e. "Architecture: amd64 arm64 armhf i386"), since it depends on qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-click0.1 which presumably won't build on powerpc?  You won't get through -proposed otherwise since that's one extra uninstallable package
[13:15] <cjwatson> (I'm assuming that qtdeclarative is going to build on arm64 once we get that far ...)
[13:15] <hramrach> GuidoPallemans: I trird to set up a touch-enabled tablet input device but that uses tap-drag and with that the lock app is definitely unusable. Obviously you can't really do direct touch when the touch surface and display surface are separate
[13:15] <cjwatson> sil2100: Or if you don't want to hardcode the architecture list you could insert an artificial Build-Depends: qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-click0.1
[13:15] <hramrach> and Ubuntu touch does not work on the real tablet I have so that's about it
[13:15] <jdstrand> popey: was /var/cache/apparmor/foo written out?
[13:15] <sil2100> cjwatson: sure, but hm... I think we didn't have to do it for any other packages, since it's not going to cause problems right?
[13:16] <cjwatson> sil2100: We've had to do it for some other packages where it has caused problems
[13:16] <sil2100> hm, ok
[13:16] <ogra> sil2100, we have [!powerpc] in a bunch of touch packages already
[13:16] <GuidoPallemans> hramrach: I always tested it on a laptop without mouse, it works, but could be easier..
[13:16] <tedg> lool, I can test it on my phone, I already have the build env setup.
[13:17] <lool> cjwatson: FYI, tried to cross-build upstart-app-launch and got:  click-dev:armhf : Depends: perl:armhf but it is not going to be installed
[13:17] <lool>                    Depends: python3-click:armhf (= 0.4.6) but it is not going to be installed
[13:17] <lool> cjwatson: in cse you're tempted to look into it  :-)
[13:17] <thomi> Hey touch guys - the volume buttons don't seem to do anything at all on the mako - is that a known issue?
[13:17] <hramrach> It wouks well with pen input but pretty much anything pointy clicky does except applications relying on ability to click without moving the pointer at all
[13:17] <ogra> cjwatson, will you let it through anyway or do we wait for another upload (/me has a depending seed change waiting)
[13:18] <cjwatson> lool: It's unlikely to work until both perl and python are multiarched all the way I suspect
[13:18] <lool> cjwatson: sounds like the perl:armhf should be perl:any; same for python3-click dep
[13:18] <tedg> thomi, There was a branch landing for that, not sure if it's in the image yet.
[13:18] <sil2100> ogra, cjwatson: for instance notes-app doesn't have [!powerpc] and any hardcoded architectures
[13:18] <cjwatson> lool: perl:any won't work yet
[13:18] <lool> cjwatson: too bad; ok thanks
[13:18] <sil2100> But I guess the trick with the extra build-deps is good
[13:18] <cwayne> nic-doffay: in particular im curious as to how to add data?  it seems like it needs to be run from some kind of binary, how would we be able to do this from /custom?
[13:18] <sergiusens> plars, I added a comment to your bug report
[13:18] <lool> tedg: that would be good
[13:18] <thomi> tedg: I don't suppose there are tests? It'd be pretty trivial to inject volume up/don button events with autopilot :)
[13:18] <cjwatson> sil2100: notes-app Build-Depends: qtdeclarative5-dev
[13:19] <cjwatson> sil2100: hence is dep-wait on powerpc
[13:19] <cjwatson> lool: there is WIP to multiarch perl but it certainly won't happen until at least T
[13:19] <cjwatson> ogra: I'm going to let it through anyway unless I see anything else
[13:19] <cjwatson> ogra: But it won't reach images
[13:19] <tedg> thomi, I don't know, it's pretty simple code, mostly just giving it to indicator sound: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity8/lp1219057/+merge/184622
[13:19] <cjwatson> or saucy
[13:19] <ogra> because of propoosed migration ? yeah
[13:20] <cjwatson> idneed
[13:20] <cjwatson> *indeed
[13:20] <cjwatson> (well, and because I don't believe in forcing fixable things)
[13:20] <popey> jdstrand: you have the entire output
[13:20] <popey> cd
[13:20] <popey> bah
[13:20] <cjwatson> actually, maybe I can make it work
[13:20]  * popey misses sloppy focus
[13:21] <cjwatson> sil2100: please let me know once you've committed a fix to make it not build or dep-wait on powerpc (I think the artificial build-dep trick is probably the most elegant approach) and I can remove the powerpc binary from the archive
[13:21] <popey> jdstrand: sorry, missed one of your lines, yes the foo file does get written out
[13:21] <cjwatson> sil2100: that will let it migrate without you needing to go through an extra daily-release pass
[13:21] <sil2100> cjwatson: ACK!
[13:21] <lool> tedg: it's building now http://10.97.2.10:8080/job/upstart-app-launch-saucy-armhf-ci/75/console
[13:21] <davmor2> popey: How dare you call your wife that ;)
[13:22] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[13:22] <davmor2> popey: Misses Sloppy Focus :D
[13:23] <ogra> does that make him Mr Sloppy Focus ?
[13:23] <davmor2> popey: sorry just tickled me when I read it :)
[13:26] <jdstrand> popey: feel free to 'rm /var/cache/apparmor/foo'
[13:26] <nic-doffay> cwayne, I'm not sure I haven't been dealing with this.
[13:27] <lool> tedg: for some reason, build didn't output .debs; just succeeded to build
[13:27] <cwayne> nic-doffay: ah, ok. any idea who has?
[13:27] <Guest74013> I'm just flashin Galaxy Nexus with Ubuntu and it asks me "rom may flash stock recovery on boot". Shoul I say here yes or no?
[13:27] <tedg> lool, Yeah, some builds do that, some don't.  It must be a pref in cu2d?
[13:27] <lool> weird
[13:27] <lool> tedg: if you have .debs....
[13:27] <lool> I'm installing bdeps now
[13:27] <nic-doffay> cwayne, sadly not.
[13:28] <tedg> Yeah, just a sec.  Trying to get updates to get the right music-app
[13:28] <cwayne> pete-woods: would you be able to help me with my infographic questions (or point me to whomever can?) :)
[13:29] <sil2100> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/click-update-manager/artificial_dep_wait/+merge/186539 <- whaddayathink?
[13:31] <pete-woods> cwayne: I should hopefully be able to answer your questions :)
[13:31] <cwayne> pete-woods: great! thanks. mainly I'm wondering the best way to add data to it
[13:31] <cwayne> pete-woods: what we've come up with so far is running a binary, but unsure we can do that from /custom
[13:32] <cwayne> do we have a generally accepted way of adding data sources?
[13:32] <cjwatson> sil2100: looks good to me
[13:32] <pete-woods> cwayne: well it has an API in the form of (http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/cplusplus/usermetrics/)
[13:33] <tedg> Uhg, seems U1 is wedged.
[13:33] <pete-woods> cwayne: e.g. http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/cplusplus/usermetrics/MetricManagerIncrementToday_8cpp-example.html for a simple incrementing metric
[13:33] <jdstrand> stgraber: what during boot looks at /etc/system-image/writable-paths?
[13:34]  * ogra thinks the initrd
[13:34] <tedg> lool, http://ubuntuone.com/24MW7t53qg7qoL8OB2eW53?attach=true
[13:34] <ogra> cat ${rootmnt}/etc/system-image/writable-paths | while read line; do
[13:34] <lool> tedg: so built
[13:35] <lool> tedg: here
[13:35] <lool> tedg: and ran it
[13:35] <cjwatson> jdstrand: lxc-android-config
[13:35] <lool> tedg: and got this ps output:
[13:35] <lool> phablet   8830 40.5  3.4 263028 65784 ?        Ssl  13:34   0:04      \_ /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmlscene /usr/share/music-app/music-app.qml --file=file:///home/phablet/Music/Quelle%20Histoire%20dans%20les%20manuels%3F%20-%2059'53''.mp3 --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/music-app.desktop
[13:35] <lool> tedg: so it looks correct with the fix, but it doens't work
[13:35] <cwayne> pete-woods: right, so i believe that's what we've used, but i guess we're worried about running an executable from /custom
[13:35] <ogra> jdstrand, ^^^ scripts/touch in initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch
[13:35] <cwayne> ssweeny: ^ is that right?
[13:35] <lool> tedg: might be the ' in the filename
[13:35] <ssweeny> cwayne, right
[13:35] <cjwatson> er wait
[13:35] <cjwatson> jdstrand: sorry, initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch
[13:35] <lool> tedg: tried a simpler one, and didn't work either:
[13:35] <lool> phablet   8937 37.0  3.3 262484 64888 ?        Ssl  13:35   0:04      \_ /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmlscene /usr/share/music-app/music-app.qml --file=file:///home/phablet/Music/bilan-et-perspectives-cd-cd-03-monde-de-droite.flac --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/music-app.desktop
[13:35] <ssweeny> cwayne, we should be able to execute from /custom
[13:36] <ssweeny> scopes can run from there after all
[13:36] <jdstrand> popey: can you run 'aa-clickhook -f' and then tell me if /var/cache/apparmor fills up?
[13:36] <cwayne> ssweeny: so then what was matts concern?
[13:36] <pete-woods> cwayne: okay, so I guess I don't have enough context to understand really, I was expected the new metrics to come from either ubuntu SDK apps, or from the likes of upower, with a distro patch to connect to the C API
[13:36] <pete-woods> *expecting
[13:36] <tedg> lool, Do launching the music player from the command line work?
[13:36] <tedg> Does
[13:36] <popey> jdstrand: ya
[13:37] <lool> tedg: I mean, the music-app comes up, but it doesn't launch the file
[13:37] <lool> tedg: ok, got: unknown option -- file=file:///home/phablet/Music/foo.mp3
[13:37] <cwayne> pete-woods: so we're working on the customized image for OEMs/Carriers, and we wanted to have custom data sources (fake ones at the moment), that's stuff like '400 verizon to verizon minutes used'
[13:37] <jdstrand> ogra, cjwatson: the weird thing is that on popey's device, /var/cache/apparmor doesn't get populated on boot. on mine it does. /var/cache/apparmor ends up writable by popey at some point. it feels like there is a race between when the click system hook job is run and when /var/cache/apparmor is rw
[13:38] <popey> jdstrand: i have every single app from the store installed, if that's interesting/useful
[13:38] <popey> to know
[13:38] <jdstrand> I don't know how that would be possible if /var/cache/apparmor is mounted rw in the initrd
[13:38] <lool> tedg: I think it's qmlscene
[13:38] <ogra> jdstrand, a0 is it the same device ? b) dod you flash freshly or did you update
[13:38] <jdstrand> popey: it confirms that aa-clickhook is passing the correct args to apparmor_parser to use the cache
[13:38] <pete-woods> cwayne: okay, I understand, I guess you are stuck with running a binary of some sort
[13:39] <cyphermox> asac: ack.
[13:39] <pete-woods> cwayne: there is a command line interface, although I make no effort to maintain its backwards compatability
[13:39] <jdstrand> ogra: we both have mako according to Uname: Linux 3.4.0-3-mako armv7l
[13:39] <ogra> k
[13:39] <tedg> lool, Okay, but that doesn't effect that merge.  I just got things updated, so I'll check, but I think your fix is good.
[13:39] <jdstrand> popey: thanks-- can you 'rm -f /var/cache/apparmor/*'
[13:40] <pete-woods> cwayne: it's really more for testing, though, but I suppose you could hook into it with some bash if this is just to demo stuff?
[13:40] <jdstrand> popey: you're the one that can reproduce it, so lets get it back into a reproducible state
[13:40] <cyphermox> davmor2: want to test my package too for the NM fix popey has? more testing is always better.
[13:40] <cwayne> pete-woods: ah, understood.  just out of curiousity, is there plans to expand that api (like maybe to be able to easily use it from QML+JS)
[13:40] <popey> jdstrand: yeah, /var/cache/apparmor is empty after running aa-clickhook -f
[13:40] <cwayne> pete-woods: i think the executable should be fine in this context
[13:40] <ogra> jdstrand, i wonder if there is code to migrate the persistent rw data on upgrades ... i assume formats of configs of packages might change and want to be transitioned at times
[13:40] <popey> jdstrand: i have a second phone I can look at too
[13:40] <pete-woods> cwayne: there are QML bindings being written for it right now
[13:40] <jdstrand> popey: oh, I thought you said it was populated?
[13:41] <popey> nope
[13:41] <cwayne> pete-woods: cool! thanks a lot for the info
[13:41] <popey> foo wrote there
[13:41] <popey> it's empty on both phones
[13:41] <davmor2> cyphermox: I can do you have .debs for it, or is it build from source, debs I have time for
[13:41] <cyphermox> I have the debs
[13:41] <pete-woods> cwayne: no problem. glad to help!
[13:41] <jdstrand> popey: so aa-clickhook didn't add anything to /var/cache/apparmor?
[13:41] <ogra> jdstrand, popey so it would be intresting to know if it happens for a freshly flashed and wiped devices too
[13:41] <popey> correct jdstrand
[13:41] <cyphermox> davmor2: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mathieu-tl/network-manager/
[13:41] <popey> ogra: this is fresh
[13:41] <jdstrand> ok, then let me look at that then
[13:41] <popey> i flashed it today
[13:41] <ogra> popey, right, and jdstrand probably updated
[13:41] <cyphermox> davmor2: I'll keep testing on my side some more as well
[13:42] <lool> tedg: ok, so the issue is music-app doesn't support file://
[13:42] <jdstrand> I did update
[13:42] <popey> well, i have one that was updated, one that was flashed
[13:42] <ogra> which would explain the difference
[13:42] <lool> tedg: it works with --file=/home/phablet/Music/foo.mp3
[13:42] <jdstrand> I did not flash
[13:42] <ogra> yeah
[13:42] <lool> tedg: please happrove the fix I've pushed
[13:42] <ogra> so you carry some config that popey doesnt have
[13:42] <tedg> lool, Ah, so change the desktop file to be "%f"
[13:43] <ogra> (in some of the writable paths)
[13:43] <jdstrand> popey: did aa-clickhook give any error output?
[13:43] <popey> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6128357/
[13:43] <tedg> lool, Changing to %f worked to change the command line for me, but it doesn't seem the file opened.
[13:44] <jdstrand> popey: are those all things you uninstalled?
[13:44] <popey> i haven't uninstalled anything
[13:44] <popey> i have everything installed
[13:45] <lool> tedg: after switching to %f I still see file:// on the cmdline
[13:46] <jdstrand> popey: right, but it looks like several apps were upgraded
[13:47] <popey> yes
[13:47] <jdstrand> cjwatson: question, are hooks run after garbage coolection?
[13:47] <cjwatson> jdstrand: during what operation?
[13:47] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I'm ending up with dangling symlinks in /var/lib/apparmor/click on unregister, it seems
[13:48] <lool> tedg: which is to blame, upstart-app-launch or music-app
[13:48] <tedg> lool, If %f doesn't work, that's upstart-app-launch's fault.  But the music player should support URLs as well.
[13:49] <jdstrand> cjwatson: well, either garbage collection or unregister (not sure which). also not sure if there is a difference from the hooks point of view
[13:49] <cjwatson> jdstrand: After, but it shouldn't matter anyway
[13:49] <tedg> lool, So I guess we need a music player change either way.
[13:49] <cjwatson> jdstrand: Give me a repro recipe in a bug and I'll look into it, bit swamped
[13:49] <tedg> lool, Rebooting, but it seems i no longer have adb :-/
[13:49] <lool> tedg: How did you see the right pathname on the cmdline by switching to %f?
[13:49] <cjwatson> jdstrand: I'm also in the middle of looking into dangling symlinks in /var/lib/apparmor/click/ in a related situation so it may turn out to be the same
[13:50] <jdstrand> cjwatson: ok-- that isn't popey's problem because click-apparmor just skips them, but I've been meaning to ask you about it. wasn't sure if it was click-apaprmor responsibility to clean the symlink or not
[13:50] <cjwatson> jdstrand: actually now I come to think of it it could be the same situation
[13:50] <cjwatson> jdstrand: it's not click-apparmor's responsibility, no
[13:50] <cjwatson> jdstrand: click-apparmor needs to respond to the file being missing and clean up the profile
[13:50] <cjwatson> jdstrand: just as any hook does
[13:50] <tedg> lool, sent a url via url-dispatcher and then did ps -ef
[13:50] <cjwatson> jdstrand: but the same problem is happening with .desktop files, so after unregistration I'm seeing icons still in the click scope
[13:50] <jdstrand> cjwatson: oh, we aren't cleaning anything-- we are just skipping it
[13:51] <cjwatson> jdstrand: you would clean it if the entry were actually missing from the directory
[13:51] <cjwatson> jdstrand: so once I fix it to remove the directory, this should be fixed, I think
[13:51] <cjwatson> er, remove the entry
[13:51] <cjwatson> the link
[13:51] <jdstrand> oh, I see what you mean
[13:51] <jdstrand> right if the link dangles, we skip. if the link is missing, we clean
[13:52] <cjwatson> and the link should never dangle in normal operation
[13:52] <cjwatson> certainly a bug
[13:52] <jdstrand> (that is what we do now)
[13:52]  * jdstrand nods
[13:52] <jdstrand> cjwatson: do you want the reproducer?
[13:52] <cjwatson> jdstrand: nah, it's OK
[13:52] <jdstrand> k
[13:52] <cjwatson> jdstrand: but a tracking bug would be great
[13:52]  * jdstrand goes back to popey
[13:52] <jdstrand> ok
[13:53] <popey> ☻
[13:54] <lool> pmcgowan, tedg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1227677 for music-app .desktop file and URL handling
[13:54] <tedg> Hmm, this time I got a "--file="
[13:54] <tedg> The keyboard is also really messed up.
[13:54] <jibel> which file formats does the music scope support? only mp3?
[13:55] <popey> jdstrand: i have to go to a meeting at kids school, will be back later, if you need anything from me, just ping and I'll see when i get back (or comment on bug)
[13:56] <thostr_afk> lool: is activation of web content working for you?
[14:00] <lool> thostr_: can you give me a way to test this?
[14:00] <thostr_> lool: go to home screen, invoke search and enter "wiki:berlin"
[14:00] <lool> thostr_: can't open battery settings from indicator-power anymore though
[14:01] <lool> thostr_: oh sorry, cancel that, it launched in the background
[14:01] <jdstrand> cjwatson: fyi, bug #1227681
[14:01] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I even gave you a reproducer for upgrades
[14:01] <thostr_> ted: ^
[14:02] <lool> thostr_: so with wiki:Paris I'm seeing some results in the dash, then I open a link?
[14:02] <thostr_> yes
[14:02] <lool> thostr_: this worked; I saw a productsearchsomething URL then wikipedia
[14:02] <lool> thostr_: webbrowser launched in the bg since other app was running, but that's know bug
[14:02] <thostr_> ok, then something is wrong with my system...
[14:03] <thostr_> lool: tedg: DEBUG: Emitting 'application-start' for APP_ID='ubuntu-system-settings' and URLS='settings://system/battery'
[14:03] <davmor2> tedg: by the way what has happened to the messaging indicator?  I really miss that now :(
[14:04] <Guest1225> lool: meeting?
[14:04] <thostr_> lool: tedg: so system settings get opened in the background, but the power page is not selected
[14:04] <tedg> davmor2, I think dednick|lunch had a branch to fix that in unity8, not sure if it's landed.
[14:04] <thostr_> tedg: can system-settings app handle the new url already?
[14:04] <tedg> thostr_, I'm not sure if mardy has implemented the handling of that url yet.
[14:04] <davmor2> tedg: nice
[14:05] <tedg> Uhg, the music app emits too much debugging info to make debugging it on the phone possible.
[14:05] <jdstrand> popey: can you paste the output of http://paste.ubuntu.com/6128432/
[14:05] <thostr_> tedg: do you have already filed a bug report for system settings? if not I'll do
[14:05] <jdstrand> popey: (I wish I could reproduce here)
[14:06] <jdstrand> I could flash grouper
[14:06] <davmor2> cyphermox: you're gonna hate me http://paste.ubuntu.com/6128434/ no 3g.  I'm gonna enable debug and reboot and see what is what then
[14:07] <cjwatson> jdstrand: thanks
[14:07] <cyphermox> davmor2: don't even need debug... send me syslog first and I'll look
[14:08] <davmor2> cyphermox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6128447/
[14:09] <tedg> thostr_, No, I haven't, but I'll bring up on the settings call that is now.
[14:10] <thostr_> tedg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1227690
[14:10] <dpm> hi mardy, could you join us for a few minutes on #ubuntu-touch-meeting for a quick discussion on online accounts?
[14:11] <davmor2> cyphermox: to install, I enabled .writable_image, rebooted, installed using dpkg -i *.deb, then rm .writable_image, then rebooted.  and then magically expected it to work :(  maguro 3g hates me
[14:11] <cyphermox> davmor2: actually I wonder if the fact that you set it up to be ro again caused issues?
[14:11] <cyphermox> though I guess not otherwise no RO would work
[14:12] <stgraber> jdstrand: scripts/touch in the initrd is what's parsing writable-paths and generating a temporary fstab for mountall to process
[14:12] <Laney> mardy: coming to the hangout?
[14:12] <davmor2> cyphermox: I set it back to RO so it has a more realistic environment for testing
[14:12] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:12] <cyphermox> so it's still the same issue... can't explain it
[14:13] <cyphermox> I'll add some more logging and build a new package, we'll figure out exactly why it fails
[14:13] <cyphermox> I kind of know why, but I'd like to make certain
[14:13] <Laney> cyphermox: you too if you have anythign to say
[14:13] <cyphermox> Laney: not so much... just sad that we don't have bluetooth settings yet
[14:14] <Laney> ok
[14:15] <barry> mandel: ping
[14:15] <mandel> barry, pong
[14:16] <cyphermox> davmor2: do you have an android device with the same provider to check something?
[14:16] <cyphermox> davmor2: to go along with that question, are you ever able to connect to 3G with your provider?
[14:16] <gema> popey: I have an important bug that needs fixing, let me know if it is in your list already: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telephony-service/+bug/1227691
[14:17] <davmor2> cyphermox: I can take the sim out and drop it in my s3 which is where the sim came from, or I can flash this one with android
[14:17] <davmor2> cyphermox: if I reboot nm it connects
[14:17] <davmor2> let me try now
[14:20] <davmor2> cyphermox: so restarting network-manager gives me a connection via 3g,  if you want I can flash android back on and run any tests you want?
[14:20] <cyphermox> davmor2: no, that was sufficient
[14:21] <cyphermox> ah, maybe send me syslog again just to see?
[14:21] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, so coreapps still only reside in the PPA is that right?
[14:22] <davmor2> cyphermox: new syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/6128504/
[14:22] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, core community apps yes
[14:23] <jdstrand> popey: can you paste the output of http://paste.ubuntu.com/6128432/
[14:23] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, there is a qtdeclarative package also coming from there
[14:23] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, 2 actually
[14:23] <davmor2> cyphermox: it took two restarts by the way
[14:26] <cjwatson> sil2100: removed click-update-manager/powerpc, it should hopefully migrate shortly
[14:26] <mardy> Laney: sorry, was afk
[14:26] <mardy> dpm: same there :-)
[14:27] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, nemo and grilo right? is that what we want or should they move into the archive?
[14:28] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks! The modification should be merged now in trunk so it should be safe in next releases - thanks for noticing and acting!
[14:31] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, ? seems the grilo package is in saucy, so what else do we pull from that PPA?
[14:32] <pmcgowan> popey, do you know if any apps are using that grilo package?
[14:33] <davmor2> popey: now try opening the dialer app,  then open the camera and have that as the active app and then ring your phone
[14:33] <pmcgowan> or mhall119?
[14:34] <tvoss> someone pinged me :)
[14:34] <pmcgowan> I also see poppler in there
[14:35] <AskUbuntu> Qt Creator reverted back to some previous version | http://askubuntu.com/q/347518
[14:36] <cjwatson> jdstrand: Right, I think I have two bugs here.  Firstly, system hooks aren't run on GC at all.  Secondly, click hook install-{system,user} don't notice if packages have gone missing and catch up with that by removing the symlinks.
[14:36] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, let me get back to you on that
[14:37] <jdstrand> ah
[14:37] <jdstrand> cool
[14:48] <Laney> tedg: Does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1227690 mean that u-s-s will be passed that settings:// thing as a commandline argument?
[14:48] <tedg> So my device isn't showing up in "adb devices" is that off by default now?
[14:49] <gema> tedg: not that I know of
[14:49] <gema> tedg: mine shows
[14:49] <tedg> Laney, If it has a "%u" in its Exec line.  I haven't checked to ensure that.  But yes.
[14:49] <tedg> gema, Hmm, okay.  Thanks.
[14:50] <Laney> tedg: It knows how to launch a panel if given its name as an argument
[14:50] <Laney> e.g. system-settings battery works
[14:51] <Laney> but not the URL form
[14:51] <jdstrand> cjwatson: fyi, I just confirmed the dangling symlink on unregister too. I guess that is part of GC, but wanted to mention it (comment in bug)
[14:52] <anders3408|afk> anyone on that  has been working or debugging on the evdev/hardware buttons  ? specially pwr and volume up and down ?
[14:52] <cjwatson> jdstrand: right
[14:53] <cjwatson> ogra,sil2100: click-update-manager should be fine for that metapackage update
[14:53] <ogra> great
[14:53] <ogra> i think there was another package from that set to be seeded though
[14:53] <ogra> sil2100, ^^^
[14:53] <cjwatson> ogra: actually, sorry, click-update-manager still needs a publisher run
[14:54] <cjwatson> it's through migration
[14:54] <ogra> cjwatson, yeah, i'm not that fast anyway ... and have a meeting in 5min
[14:54] <sil2100> ogra, cjwatson: right, clickmanager-plugin is in release already, but click-update-manager is still pending
[14:54] <ogra> sil2100, and you want both seeded ?
[14:54] <anders3408|afk> ogra:  we didnt really get much longer on that issue im having with the reboot thingy, if you have some time it would be nice :)
[14:55] <cjwatson> ogra: click-update-manager depends on the other
[14:55] <anders3408|afk> and oh hello :9
[14:55] <anders3408|afk> :)
[14:55] <ogra> ah, good
[14:55] <davmor2> cyphermox: do you need anything else?
[14:55] <cyphermox> davmor2: nah, I'm building the package now
[14:55] <ogra> i just remember this morning there were two packages related  to this
[14:55] <cyphermox> it's going to take a bit, virtualized...
[14:56] <ogra> aha qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-click0.1
[14:56] <davmor2> cyphermox: no worries give me a ping even if I'm away, irssi will email me and I'll try it as soon as I can
[14:58] <tedg> Okay, and I can't reflash without adb... hmm...
[14:59] <josepht> tedg: did you try killing adb on your host?
[15:00] <pmcgowan> mhall119, ping again
[15:00] <tedg> Yeah, let me do it again :-)
[15:00] <pmcgowan> popey, ping
[15:00] <om26er> when does the music service land ?
[15:01] <pmcgowan> om26er, maybe next week, tvoss looking into it
[15:01] <pmcgowan> om26er, or maybe not for release
[15:02] <om26er> :/ ok. I would want my music playback without any my intervention to tap on screen :)
[15:02] <tvoss> om26er, we can alternatively whitelist the music app
[15:03] <kdub> so... in the nexus 4 flicker
[15:03] <om26er> tvoss, yes, I think that's a fair compromise. though the music app needs to hog less cpu
[15:03] <om26er> its 10% cpu for pulseaudio and 15% for the qmlscene when music app is running
[15:04] <om26er> kdub, and what about the screen not going off ?
[15:04] <kdub> om26er, separate issue
[15:04] <om26er> kdub, right, sure. Just wanted to know if anyone was working on that already :)
[15:04] <mhr3_> anyone noticed that upstart is using about 50% cpu when switching pages in the dash?
[15:05] <kdub> om26er, its in theworks
[15:05] <om26er> kdub, good to know. thanks
[15:06] <kdub> but with the flicker, my working theory is that we're not using the hwc that was provided by qcom's code aurora forum
[15:06] <kdub> i'm not really sure where the hwc came from in the build actually, just looks like 'what works for cm'
[15:07] <om26er> tvoss, btw the app lifecycle policy got stricter as soon as the light goes off the music app stop, previously it may take 5-6 seconds for it to go down.. making good progress there
[15:08] <tvoss> om26er, ack, that sounds good
[15:17] <Ant59> Is it possible to sync my Google contacts to Ubuntu Touch?
[15:21] <Ant59> How do I write to the filesystem? I can't even install apps currently. It's completely read-only,
[15:22] <Ant59> Anyone know?
[15:23] <ogra> Ant59, you use click apps from the UI ... apt isnt supported by default anymore ... you can use it after making the image writable but will use upgradeability then (and it will most likely break at some point)
[15:23] <ogra> s/use/lose/
[15:24] <Ant59> Oh I see. I've only just started looking at Ubuntu Touch so I've no knowledge on how the system is intended to work.
[15:24] <Ant59> Is there an app that will allow me to sync my Google contact?
[15:24] <Ant59> *contacts
[15:25] <ogra> i'm not sure that still works, i think google closed donw their api for this
[15:25] <ogra> sergiusens, ^^^ do you know if that still works ?
[15:26] <Ant59> Damn :/ I was hoping to use Touch on my Daily Driver for a few days.
[15:26] <ogra> right, i know there was a way in the past, but i really think google blocked it
[15:27] <Ant59> Okay fair enoughj
[15:29] <lool> dholbach: Hey, would you be able to help shepard https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/music-app/lp-1227677/+merge/186568 to landing in lp:music-app?  I'm not sure who to ping, but I think you landed things there recently?  :-)
[15:29] <lool> pmcgowan tedg: switching music-app to %f ^
[15:29] <lool> tedg: do you have a bug for the upstart-app-launch thing?
[15:29] <pmcgowan> lool, did you change it? I asked bfiller
[15:29] <tedg> lool, No, I haven't filled on.
[15:30] <tedg> one
[15:30] <lool> pmcgowan: sorry, yes, it was trivial
[15:30] <pmcgowan> bfiller, nm lool already did it
[15:30] <bfiller> pmcgowan, lool : just did MR, it's here https://code.launchpad.net/~bfiller/music-app/fix-1227677/+merge/186569
[15:30] <lool> bfiller: I'm sorry
[15:30] <bfiller> ah, np
[15:30] <lool> bfiller: let me kill mine
[15:30] <lool> bfiller: sorry about that
[15:30] <dholbach> lool, no, not quite
[15:31] <lool> bfiller, dholbach: Who should we ping to land this?
[15:31] <lool> bfiller: approved yours; withdrawing mine
[15:31] <lool> bfiller: (haha just noticed you just had the next merge id  ;-)
[15:32] <dholbach> dpm, ^ who can land stuff in lp:music-app?
[15:32] <dholbach> or mhall119 ^
[15:32] <bfiller> lool: thanks, I'll add it to landing asks
[15:32] <bfiller> asac: can we get music-app landed after this MR goes through?
[15:32] <dholbach> danielholm, are you around?
[15:32] <dpm> dholbach, mhall119 or I can also do it. What needs landing?
[15:32] <dholbach> dpm, https://code.launchpad.net/~bfiller/music-app/fix-1227677/+merge/186569
[15:34] <cwayne> jodh: ping
[15:34] <mfisch> jodh: cwayne is seeing an odd error when trying to join an upstart session
[15:34] <blaroche> ogra, Ant59: i used the google contacts import last night with out problems
[15:35] <cwayne> mfisch: jodh after i set UPSTART_SESSION, if i do an initctl list it seems ok, but an initctl list-env says "Unknown job: android-tools-adbd"
[15:35] <blaroche> but, i'm also still on the touch based images..
[15:35] <ogra> blaroche, ah, cool, can you explain to Ant59 how to do it then ?
[15:35] <dpm> dholbach, bfiller, music app MP for file urls approved
[15:35] <blaroche> sure
[15:37] <ahayzen> bfiller, lool, hey i work on the Music App ... just seen your patch, you say it is 'short term'. So it is best for us to detect if file:// is at the start and then strip it out as required?
[15:37] <Ant59> Thanks blaroche
[15:37] <Ant59> I can't seem to find a way that works
[15:37] <blaroche> adb shell into your device, then su - phablet
[15:37] <lool> ahayzen: hey!
[15:37] <blaroche> syncevolution --configure --sync-property "username=********" --sync-property "password=*******" Google_Contacts
[15:38] <ahayzen> lool, o/
[15:38] <blaroche> replace your info in ****
[15:38] <lool> ahayzen: well, I dont know whether the user experience would eventually involve playback of http:// links
[15:38] <blaroche> after run, syncevolution --sync refresh-from-server Google_Contacts addressbook
[15:38] <ahayzen> lool, yeah thats wht i was just thinking
[15:38] <lool> ahayzen: it's probably futuristic, I'm not sure the app is designed for that yet (even if that should be decently doable from QML I guess)
[15:38] <ahayzen> lool, guess it should be intelligent and know wht to do with file:// and http://
[15:39] <lool> ahayzen: but it's high priority for us to land this because right now file:// doens't work and that breaks opening music files form dash
[15:39] <ahayzen> lool, i guess we would want to be able to play tracks from U1
[15:39] <lool> ahayzen: there are other bugs outside of music-app blocking that too, but we're working on them  :-)
[15:39] <lool> ahayzen: we dont know what URL we will use for U1 though
[15:39] <lool> ahayzen: so I suspect it will take some time to figure out, and probably out of scope for 13.10
[15:39] <ahayzen> lool, yeah, that is more a v2.0 i think
[15:40] <lool> ahayzen: ack
[15:40] <blaroche> Ant59: here was the orignal blog post on it: http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/google-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch.html
[15:40] <lool> ahayzen: note that there's an automatic snapshot of apps into the coreapps PPA when they get top approved (merge proposal status at the top), but we'd rather coordinate the landing if that's ok with you
[15:41] <Ant59> Cheers. That's what I tried earlier and it failed.
[15:41] <lool> ahayzen: in which case, what would be awesome is if you could confirm the mp diff is ok with you, comment with an approval (the drop down below the comment), and then we would happrove (top approve) it when landing
[15:41] <ahayzen> lool, what do u mean?
[15:41] <Ant59> I guess I'll carry on trying to find out what I did wrong :L
[15:42] <blaroche> it creates a log file under ~/.cache  you might be able to better find out why it failed
[15:42] <ahayzen> lool, it should be ok...and dpm approved it :) danielholm is the one who has been working on this area
[15:44] <Ant59> Okay
[15:44] <cwayne> ogra: random question, any idea why after joining the upstart session, running initctl list-env gives me Unknown job: android-tools-adbd
[15:44] <asac> bfiller: not instantanuously, it would auto happen tomorrow
[15:44] <ogra> cwayne, because thats a system job
[15:44] <bfiller> asac: ok, added it to the sheet
[15:45] <lool> ahayzen: cool, thanks
[15:45] <dpm> lool, is there anything we should be doing differently to coordinate landings? For core apps, we've been using top approvals up until now to get Jenkins to do the landing for us
[15:45] <cwayne> ogra: but im not trying to do anything with that job.. im just trying to list-env
[15:45] <cwayne> why is it even looking for it?
[15:45] <ogra> cwayne, it is in roots env
[15:45] <ogra> it shouldnt
[15:45] <cwayne> but im running this as phablet
[15:45] <ogra> sounds like a bug then
[15:46] <lool> dpm: unfortunatley, this currently gets them straight into the PPA which is used for image builds; it's a shortcut I hadn't realized existed until this morning
[15:46] <lool> dpm: I'm not sure whether you can through the pain of asking for landing asks and getting a slot, but that would be nice
[15:46] <lool> dpm: we're trying to get a tight control of any bit that goes into the image so that we control what lands when, serializing the landings to be able to quickly revert them if that makes sense
[15:47] <lool> dpm: CI/landing team is getting really good at it now  ;-)
[15:49] <Saviq> sergiusens, /data is no longer safe between flashes?
[15:49] <Saviq> sergiusens, what is?
[15:49] <lool> thostr_, tedg: So do you guys have a bug for the system-settings:// URL bug?  (doens't open battery settings, just settings app)
[15:50] <ogra> Saviq, /home/phablet unless you flash with --no-backup
[15:50] <thostr_> lool: yes, I filed one
[15:50] <lool> thostr_: got it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1227690
[15:50] <dpm> lool, would there be any other way to do this? I.e. for us to get the ability to top approve and get the packages landed somewhere else? E.g. the core apps PPA. It might be a bit difficult to coordinate this for core apps and community developers that are focused on development but not on the release process. I'm more than happy to ensure you can keep tight control on this, but I'd like to discuss a way that doesn't slow down the development of the core
[15:50] <dpm>  apps
[15:50] <Saviq> ogra, that's the only safe one?
[15:50] <tedg> lool, yes, bug 1227690
[15:51] <tedg> Oh, you got it :-)
[15:51] <lool> dpm: right; I guess we could have two PPAs or something
[15:51] <dpm> yeah, that's what I meant
[15:51] <lool> dpm: not sure we have the bandwidth to do this before a couple of days though
[15:51] <popey> ogra: next time you flash your phone can you try and confirm bug 1227753 please (I would ask gema / davmor2 but they seem to have broken their phones via bug 1227691 :D )
[15:51] <ogra> Saviq, there might be other persistent ones ... have a look at /etc/system-image/writable-paths but i cant tell you how size constrained they are
[15:51] <Saviq> ogra, thanks
[15:51] <lool> dpm: I completely agree that we should avoid blocking fixes from landing in bzr and a test PPA, completely with you on that
[15:51] <dpm> we already have the core apps PPA
[15:52] <ogra> popey, will test once we have 57
[15:52] <popey> ta
[15:52] <lool> dpm: so this would need either an upstream merger config change, or a image build change; we would also need to tell CI/landing team how to copy these
[15:54] <dpm> lool, let me know which one you think makes sense and I can perhaps help coordinate with the teams affected
[15:56] <tedg> lool, Uhg, so the issue was that when I updated to get the new versions of everything I downgraded my url-dispatcher from trunk so it sent the URLs wrong.  Now %f works for me.
[15:56]  * tedg was a little startled by music starting :-)
[15:57] <lool> asac: could we pull dpm in tomorrow's landing standup to discuss this?
[15:58] <sergiusens> Saviq, ogra if you flash, that ($HOME), ofono, clicks and network manager are what is saved
[15:58] <lool> tedg: outside of patching the /usr .desktop file for music-app, what do I have to do to fix it locally so that it opens a file?
[15:58] <ogra> sergiusens, ah right, so home is the best bet still
[15:59] <tedg> lool, Makes sure you have URL dispatcher trunk, specifically at least r24 or newer
[15:59] <lool> tedg: wow it worked
[15:59] <tedg> lool, It made you jump didn't it!  :-)
[15:59] <lool> tedg: I dont know how, but I reverted to %u in the .desktop file, probably updated music-app from PPA or was r/o and didn't see the error
[15:59] <lool> tedg: it works now wit h%f
[15:59] <lool> tedg: so that's cool, it means we can land this today
[15:59] <asac> lool: we can have a second slot as well with him
[16:00] <thostr_> lool:  did the browser/link activation really work for you?
[16:00] <lool> asac: would you mind adding him there?
[16:00] <Saviq> sergiusens, thanks
[16:00] <lool> dpm: we have an end of UTC+2 morning sync (10:30 or so your time)
[16:00] <ogra> a second slot ? we didnt even have a first one yet :P
[16:00] <lool> dpm: would be ideal to discuss options with the team
[16:00] <lool> we're also overrunning the first one  :-)
[16:00] <lool> ogra: I think this is a meeting slot?
[16:01] <ogra> ah not image build slot
[16:01] <asac> lool: what?
[16:01] <dpm> lool, happy to join if you guys can send me an invite
[16:02] <lool> asac: 17:57 < lool> asac: could we pull dpm in tomorrow's landing standup to discuss this?
[16:02] <lool> asac: to discuss switching to two PPAs instead of one for core apps
[16:02] <lool> asac: so that they can keep landing stuff in bzr and a PPA, but it doesn't go straight to the image
[16:04] <elopio> doanac, mterry: base class is ready to land. Let me know how can I lock the device, and I'll add the unlock command.
[16:05] <mterry> elopio, oh right, I got distracted yesterday
[16:05] <mhr3_> lool, ping?
[16:07] <asac> lool: invited him
[16:07] <mpt> What's the name of the Launchpad project for the browser?
[16:09] <mpt> I can't find it in Google and it doesn't seem to be part of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/
[16:09] <cjwatson> webbrowser-app I believe
[16:10] <cwayne> ogra: its looking for android-tools-adbd cus $UPSTART_JOB is set to android-tools-adbd
[16:12] <lool> mhr3_: pong
[16:12] <lool> asac: thanks
[16:12] <katie> mzanetti, i just restarted my phone and your app seems to open fine now...
[16:12] <katie> i'll let you know if it happens again! :)
[16:12] <mzanetti> katie: ah ok... might be some issue in unity then
[16:14] <katie> mzanetti, probably! :)
[16:14] <mzanetti> katie: let me know how you like it. or how I can improve it design-wise :)
[16:16] <mfisch> pete-woods: if we want to start some infographic stuff in an upstart job, what event should it start on?
[16:16] <cwayne> mfisch: i'd probably guess unity8 started
[16:17] <mfisch> probably a good guess to try
[16:20] <mpt> Thanks cjwatson
[16:23] <mfisch> for the record cwayne start on started unity8 works great
[16:28] <cwayne> mfisch: geat
[16:28] <cwayne> great*
[16:33] <drachensun> Alright, I'm pretty close on my port here
[16:33] <drachensun> now unity and maliit are crashing
[16:33] <drachensun> the upstart log shows killed by SEGV signal
[16:33] <drachensun> over and over
[16:33] <DaNieLo> ciao a tutti, qualcuno italiano?
[16:34] <drachensun> and /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/maliit is showing __pthread_gettid -2
[16:34] <drachensun> as is unity
[16:35] <drachensun> how can I figure out whats causing them to crash?
[16:36] <oSoMoN> om26er: I’ve been getting a bunch of 404s on autolanding jobs like this one https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-saucy/3651/console , can someone from the CI team comment?
[16:37] <om26er> fginther, ^
[16:37] <om26er> IRC works but websites won't open for me, hmm
[16:38]  * om26er reconnects
[16:41] <cyphermox> davmor2: packages ready, same place
[16:42] <davmor2> cyphermox: I'll get on it as soon as I finish the bit I'm doing ta
[16:42] <om26er> fginther, hey
[16:42] <om26er> fginther, does that error look new ?
[16:42] <om26er> re: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-saucy/3651/console
[16:43] <fginther> om26er, yes, it was a a result of adding the new autopilot testrunner job
[16:43] <om26er> fginther, should be fine now ?
[16:43] <fginther> om26er, It should be fixed, but a lot of jobs crapped out on it
[16:43] <om26er> ugh :/
[16:43] <mhr3_> lool, eh, sorry... so we have another issue, we need zeitgeist on the device
[16:43] <fginther> om26er, I'm trying to rerun the jobs
[16:44] <mhr3_> lool, and the zeitgeist-core pkg includes two binaries, one of which we do not want to run on the phone (but do on the desktop)
[16:45] <mhr3_> lool, now that second binary can be disabled by passing an envvar to zeitgeist, but that's not simple as zg spawning relies on dbus activation
[16:45] <mhr3_> lool, thoughts how to tackle that?
[16:47] <ogra> could you split it into a separate package ?
[16:48] <mhr3_> ogra, we could, but i was told that might not be what we want to do at this point, too many people freaking out over changes in pkgs
[16:48] <mhr3_> lool included? :)
[16:49] <ogra> well, to me (from a pragmatic phone dev point) we wouldnt want the desktop binary installed to not wate the space :)
[16:49] <ogra> *waste
[16:49] <AskUbuntu> checksum validation error | http://askubuntu.com/q/347581
[16:49] <mhr3_> ogra, it surely is a cleaner solution
[16:49] <ogra> but yeah, i can imagine that others might not want to have to maintain a package split for that
[16:50] <ogra> especially that late in the cycle
[16:51] <anders3408> ogra: damn i need help :) you know none of the hw buttons is working in ubuntu for me, and also the phone has a none removeable battery, then i did by a mistake run adb shell killall5 , and then adb is also killed so i cant adb into it for rebooting :)
[16:52] <anders3408> that means, black screen with backlight on and no way to reboot it :)
[16:52] <ogra> you cant hold the powerbutton for an eternity to make it reboot ?
[16:52] <ogra> that usually works on phones with no removable battery
[16:52] <anders3408> ill hope so :) normally i can hold vol down and pwr and it reboots to recovery and vol up it reboots to bootloader
[16:53] <anders3408> ogra:  worked :D
[16:53] <davmor2> cyphermox: I haz 3g, I will now reboot a few times and ensure I still haz 3g
[16:53] <ogra> right, there is nothing in ubuntu that would prevent you from this
[16:53] <ogra> :)
[16:53] <drachensun> When I was building for my port hybris had some build error with the camera
[16:53] <ogra> anders3408, volume buttons dont work for nexus either atm
[16:53] <drachensun> so I replaced the libhybris it was pulling with the latest from github.com/libhybris/libhybris
[16:53] <ogra> no idea about the power button, usually powerd should detect itg and do its duty
[16:53] <anders3408> uhm... this gives me the oppotunito to find out what is happening if i reboots, why it fails to mount in android container :)
[16:54] <drachensun> is that a good idea? or should I not do that?
[16:54] <anders3408> ogra: it sadly doesnt do that :(
[16:54] <davmor2> anders3408: are you running with mir enabled?
[16:54] <drachensun> I thought all the libhybris patches would be going upstream so it wouldn't be a problem
[16:54] <anders3408> davmor2: mir ?
[16:54] <ogra> anders3408, right, i dont know why ... sforshee might be able to help you with that
[16:54] <anders3408> davmor2: im kinda new to ubuntu touch :)
[16:55] <ogra> davmor2, he just ported to the oppo 5
[16:55] <ogra> i strongly suspect Mir wouldnt run :)
[16:55] <anders3408> oh that would be very nice if sforshee or  davmor2 ? can help with that :D
[16:56] <davmor2> anders3408, ogra: with mir the power button does nothing currently as there was no powerd config for mir (that might of changed)  but that is why I was asking
[16:56] <anders3408> where is mir enabled if it is ?
[16:56] <ogra> not sure it landed already, i know that ricmm works on a fix
[16:56] <anders3408> davmor2:  :)
[16:57] <ogra> anders3408, there would be /home/phablet/.display-mir
[16:57] <davmor2> anders3408: I'm with ogra in assuming it isn't
[16:57] <ogra> it definitely isnt by default
[16:57] <ogra> so if you didnt put that file there you use surfaceflinger
[16:57] <anders3408> it is not enabled :)
[16:57] <anders3408> .display-mir doesnt exsist :)
[16:57] <ogra> right
[16:58] <davmor2> cyphermox: 2 out of 2
[16:58] <ogra> i think your kernel simply doesnt expose the button in a way powerd expects
[16:58] <ogra> ot powerd doesnt run ... that would be the other option
[17:00] <anders3408> davmor2: perhaps you have an idea on this one : if i flash the compiled and then the prebuilted then a zip with .rules and .conf in, and boots up, it does that successfully , but 2nd time i boot up, like if i reboot, the lxc container fails to mount (i think) , as syslogs says : init: cannot find '/system/bin/sh', disabling 'qcom-usb-sh'
[17:00] <anders3408>  and android-chroot says : chroot: failed to run command 'sh': No such file or directory and the sh should be found from /system/bin/sh
[17:00] <anders3408> but that does work on 1st reboot
[17:00] <davmor2> cyphermox: 2 out of 3
[17:00] <anders3408> also system is mounted
[17:01] <davmor2> anders3408: no idea ogra and sforshee might be able to help you more there
[17:01] <ogra> anders3408, your container should have an fstb which gets processed on boot
[17:01] <anders3408> davmor2:  when is sforshee usually on ?
[17:01] <ogra> that should take care for mounting /system
[17:03] <davmor2> cyphermox: 2 out of 4 meh looks like once it breaks it hates you
[17:03] <anders3408> ogra: it also does that fine and from the linux chroot i can see /system/bin and all files, but if i enter android-chroot it fails and says it cant find sh, looked at android-chroot config file, and it does use /system/bin/sh...
[17:03] <anders3408> perhaps it a permission issue ogra ?
[17:03] <davmor2> cyphermox: I'm going to leave it a few minutes this time
[17:03] <ogra> did you check the lxc log ?
[17:04] <anders3408> lxc-android says success.. just checking the rest
[17:05] <anders3408> and /var/log/lxc/android.log says the same thing as it did on first bootup : No such file or directory - stat(/proc/412/root/dev/lxc/tty2)
[17:05] <anders3408>  just with another {pid}
[17:05] <ogra> dholbach, argh ... is there an entry for your seed change on the landing spreadsheet ?
[17:05] <dholbach> dpm, ^
[17:06] <mrueg> are there any developments for ubuntu touch with cm 10.2?
[17:06] <anders3408> mrueg: m7 iirc
[17:07] <anders3408> unofficial
[17:07] <lool> mhr3_: can we break the -core package in two?
[17:07] <davmor2> cyphermox: so that was a good 5 minutes still no joy I'll grab the syslog after tea biab
[17:07] <dpm> ogra, dholbach, no entry for the seed change, I hadn't seen the e-mail on the ubuntu-phone ML yet
[17:07] <ogra> dholbach, for each change the respective autopilot tests have to be run on a device with that change in place before merging now
[17:07] <mrueg> anders3408: thx, i try to make nfc useable and could need a more recent kernel i think
[17:07] <lool> mhr3_: or add a binary in front of the dbus activated service that read some /etc file telling it whether it's enabled or not?
[17:07] <ogra> dholbach, if that didnt happen i fear i have to revert it
[17:08] <dholbach> ogra, understood - dpm: who would we talk to about the autopilot changes
[17:08] <dholbach> ?
[17:09] <dpm> dholbach, I think the best person would be fginther
[17:09] <dpm> he and balloons are our contacts for core apps when it comes to Jenkins and autopilot
[17:09] <mhr3_> lool, sounds like the /etc solution would anyway require a new pkg?
[17:09] <cyphermox> davmor2: indeed I didn't make any changes that would affect the behavior
[17:09] <cyphermox> davmor2: that was really just to add some logging so I get to figure out if it's really what I think it is
[17:11] <lool> mhr3_: we could add it at image generation time
[17:11] <lool> mhr3_: like /etc/default/zeitgeist-core with FOO_ENABLED=yes or no
[17:11] <lool> mhr3_: I dont quite get why we're dbus activating it if we're not using it though
[17:11] <dholbach> ogra, am I the first on your blacklist now?
[17:11] <lool> mhr3_: can't we just stop callers?
[17:12] <ogra> dholbach, lol, nope :)
[17:12]  * ogra hugs dholbach 
[17:12] <mhr3_> lool, the daemon itself uses it
[17:12] <dholbach> ogra, *phew* ;-)
[17:12] <mhr3_> lool, still it means a change to the pkg, so i think it'll be cleaner to do a proper split
[17:14] <mhr3_> lool, will didrocks freak out over the split? :)
[17:17] <fginther> dholbach, what's the context?
[17:18] <dholbach> fginther, ogra said he would need to reject the seed change of https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-seeds/add-qtgrilo-plugin/+merge/186308 if the autopilot are not run and I wasn't quite sure about the mechanics and the general process - dpm pointed into your direction, he requested the seed change
[17:19] <dholbach> dpm, according to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy the commit was reverted
[17:19] <fginther>  dholbach, so you just need to make sure the music-app autopilot tests are run on each merge proposal?
[17:19] <cjwatson> dholbach: short version: all touch changes landing in the archive until 13.10 need specific approval
[17:19] <dholbach> cjwatson, ok, understood
[17:20] <asac> dpm: dholbach: what changes were landed in seed?
[17:20] <asac> dpm: dholbach: in futgure, please use #ubuntu-ci-eng to coordinate your landings. thanks
[17:20] <cjwatson> dholbach: this message has been trickling down through the engineering teams but it may not have made it to you
[17:20] <dholbach> dpm, can you have the conversation with fginther? I don't know much about the music-app or qtgrilo
[17:20] <asac> dpm: dholbach: in particular get your changes into the spreadsheet before: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdGNWb0tTVmJLVzFZd0doV3dVOGpWemc#gid=0
[17:21] <dpm> dholbach, sure
[17:21] <anders3408> davmor2:  you know something about this :
[17:21] <anders3408> upstart-local-bridge: Failed to bind socket unix:/dev/socket/upstart-text-bridge No such file or directory
[17:21] <anders3408> upstart-local-bridge: Failed to create socket unix:/dev/socket/upstart-text-bridge
[17:21] <dholbach> asac, it was reverted already
[17:21] <dpm> asac, ok will do
[17:21] <asac> dholbach: dpm: well, its not reverted technically yet
[17:21] <asac> would like to know what it is
[17:21] <dholbach> in the branch
[17:21] <asac> we could call it a lucky shot by checking if a) its wanted
[17:21] <dholbach> asac, https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-seeds/add-qtgrilo-plugin/+merge/186308
[17:21] <asac> and b) doesnt break any tests
[17:22] <ogra> it pulls some other accountmanager plugin in
[17:22] <dpm> asac, the MP proposal contains the detailed info in the description. In summary: it's needed for the Music app to use mediascanner. It provides the QML bindings to grilo, which is the backend mediascanner uses
[17:22] <asac> ok... i think we should install and run unity8 as well as camera/gallery and potentially another two or so autopilots
[17:23] <asac> dpm: right. do you have a phone?
[17:23] <ogra> account-plugin-ubuntuone
[17:23] <lool> mhr3_: no, it's fine; we just need to make sure the rdeps are updated to pull the two packages on the desktop
[17:23] <lool> mhr3_: you need a FFE though
[17:23] <asac> dpm: we can avoid the backout if you do what i said above and give us a confirm that all is still passing
[17:23] <dpm> asac, I do have a phone, yes
[17:23] <asac> dpm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing
[17:24] <mhr3_> lool, can the second pkg be recommended by the first?
[17:24] <asac> check "Testing berfore submission"
[17:24] <mhr3_> lool, and sure i'll open FFE bug once i have the split
[17:24] <dpm> ok
[17:24] <asac> dpm: but lets galk in the other channel #ubuntu-ci-eng
[17:24] <viodoe> hello
[17:24] <dpm> asac, I need to go now. I'll do the testing tomorrow morning and coordinate with you guys
[17:25] <asac> dpm: then we back it out
[17:25] <asac> thanks
[17:25] <lool> mhr3_: Hmm I'd rather not rely on recommends, unless it's in the default config
[17:25] <asac> unless i can bribe someone for you
[17:25] <dpm> asac, fine for now, I'll follow the procedure next time
[17:25] <lool> mhr3_: I guess that could work, but it's not too pretty; depends if it's just temporary or not
[17:25] <asac> dpm: well it delays the image for two hours and we cant end our day
[17:26] <lool> that is, if we're going to eventually run the other daemon
[17:26] <asac> dpm: would be nicer if you woudl stay
[17:26] <asac> j.k.
[17:26] <asac> have fun
[17:26] <lool> mhr3_: sorry, understand too little of the rdeps and the two daemons to comment
[17:26]  * lool returns to dinner
[17:27]  * dpm kicks asac and goes to appointment :P
[17:27] <dpm> see you all tomorrow, cheers
[17:27] <mhr3_> lool, i'll talk to didier about it tomorrow
[17:27] <mhr3_> thanks
[17:28] <lool> mhr3_: he might be on leave, not sure
[17:29] <mhr3_> oh well, guess it can wait till monday
[17:37] <anders3408> so bootup it does sees it .... ugh :: input: pmic8xxx_pwrkey as /devices/platform/msm_ssbi.0/pm8921-core/pm8xxx-pwrkey/input/input0
[17:46] <ogra> anders3408, create a udev rule and link it into /dev/input/ ... might help, not sure
[17:47] <anders3408> ogra: lemme check , i think i have that one
[17:49] <anders3408> ogra: in /data/ubuntu/lib/udev/rules.d/70-find5.rules i have ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="input/*", OWNER="root", GROUP="input", MODE="0660"
[17:50] <ogra> aha
[17:50] <ogra> you most likely want android_input there as groupname
[17:50] <anders3408> and it is pasted over to lib/udev/rules.d
[17:52] <anders3408> ogra:  ahhh yes :D its wrong , in 65-android.rules its named android_input :D
[17:52] <anders3408> will change it and reflash everything :D
[17:55] <anders3408> ogra: is there anything that should be changed regarding sdcard ? find 5 has an virtual sdcard thing
[17:55] <davmor2> cyphermox: so you just want syslog or some other?
[17:57] <davmor2> cyphermox: syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/6129283/
[17:58] <anders3408> should i use phablet-dev-bootstrap -c sourcefolder instead of repo sync when i want to update sources ?
[17:58] <anders3408> or is it very rare those are updated ?
[18:02] <plars> davmor2, cyphermox: I'm having this thing where I see rmnet_usb0 come up after a fresh install/network-setup and it gets the default route... ogra said you guys were seeing this too?
[18:02] <plars> is there a bug# on it?
[18:02] <anders3408> oh ogra  normally i should see some lines in syslog when it launches those udev rules ?
[18:02] <ogra> not realy, no
[18:03] <davmor2> plars: let me dig out my last one
[18:03] <anders3408> how should i then be able to see if those udev rules has been set  ogra ?
[18:03] <davmor2> plars: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1226071
[18:04] <ogra> by seeing that the desired devices apprear ?
[18:04] <anders3408> it does appear in /dev/input/*  ?
[18:04] <ogra> i think udevadm has a test that producces some output for rules processing
[18:05] <plars> davmor2: ok, I'm more concerned with why 3g is getting the preference here... I know why I can't get a connection: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1221969
[18:05] <plars> davmor2: is yours a mvno sim also?
[18:06] <davmor2> plars: no I'm in the uk, it's my galaxy s3's tmobile sim
[18:06] <anders3408> ogra:  yes udevadm info /dev/input/event0 :)
[18:06] <jdstrand> bfiller, tvoss: fyi, filed bug #1227821 and bug #1227824 for trust-store integration for contacts and calendar (and subscribed you)
[18:06] <bfiller> jdstrand: thanks
[18:07] <jdstrand> bfiller: also filed bug #1227295 for that telepathy access
[18:07] <anders3408> and guess what ogra : unable to open device '/sys/dev/input/event0'
[18:07] <jdstrand> whoops
[18:07] <ogra> aha
[18:07] <jdstrand> bfiller: wrong bug
[18:07] <davmor2> plars: turns out there are still some issues hence the new packages that cyphermox just built to try and add an extra layer of debugging in
[18:07] <ogra> so fix that :)
[18:07] <jdstrand> bfiller: bug #1227818
[18:07] <tvoss> jdstrand, thx
[18:07] <bfiller> jdrab: thanks
[18:08] <jdstrand> there's an address-book-app task too
[18:08] <jdstrand> np
[18:08] <anders3408> just as expected , ogra, udev monitor doesnt see the pwrkey press
[18:14] <mhall119> so I installed version 56, and now I have no datetime indicator
[18:14] <mhall119> and *still* no message menu indicator
[18:15] <tedg> bfiller, So I'm adding support for applications who put desktop files in /usr/share/applications to have single instance support (like click packages).  But it requires a key in the desktop file.  Which apps do you expect to stay there and not become clicks?
[18:16] <bfiller> tedg: webbrowser-app for sure for 13.10
[18:17] <bfiller> tedg: for the others I need to understand from sergiusens what the status is with converting to click
[18:17] <bfiller> sergiusens: any update on this?
[18:17] <tedg> K
[18:17] <sergiusens> bfiller, hmm, I would of thought you got the management memo
[18:17] <rickspencer3> bfiller, tedg I thought we deffered moving any more apps to click until after 13.10, but I could be worng
[18:17]  * bfiller guesses he didn't get the memo
[18:17] <sergiusens> bfiller, deferred due to changes in testing infra
[18:17]  * tedg doesn't get memos
[18:18] <rickspencer3> oops, I didn't know a memo was needed
[18:18] <bfiller> tedg: so I guess all of them need the single instance support :)
[18:18] <mhall119> oh, setting the background to a picture from the galler works!
[18:18] <tedg> rickspencer3, TPS report next time, in triplicate :-)
[18:18] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, we also decided something about adb at that call, right?
[18:18] <tedg> bfiller, Heh, cool.  Will do.
[18:18] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, yeah, only to deliver disabled
[18:18] <bfiller> sergiusens: are any apps convertered to click yet?
[18:19] <sergiusens> bfiller, of yours, I have code for camera changes (that allow deb + click), all others need to follow suit
[18:20] <sergiusens> bfiller, do you want me to get that in for you to use?
[18:20] <sergiusens> bfiller, or the browser perhaps?
[18:20] <bfiller> sergiusens: no, sounds like if we are deffering it then lets just leave them all as debs
[18:20] <bfiller> was just curious if any had landed yet
[18:21] <sergiusens> bfiller, no, the prereq is to first land our autopilot changes to launch with upstart into the test harness and then use the click test mechanics to not pull the debs
[18:22] <tedg> Hmm, there are quite  few apps here...
[18:22]  * tedg should pay attention before he says he'll do something real quick
[18:23] <sergiusens> tedg, stock ticker, sudoku and dropping letters are click on the image
[18:24] <tedg> So everything in here that is "-app" in the name?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview
[18:24] <sergiusens> tedg, those are debs
[18:24] <tedg> sergiusens, Correct, I need the debs
[18:24] <tedg> sergiusens, The clicks get it for free
[18:26] <davmor2> cyphermox: was the extra debugging useful?
[18:31] <cyphermox> davmor2: yes, very
[18:31] <davmor2> yay
[18:32] <cyphermox> awe_: I'm going to need your insight on that one
[18:32] <cyphermox> awe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6129283/  any idea why ContextManager would get dropped from the values?
[18:32] <cyphermox> for Interfaces.
[18:33] <drachensun> I tried to install mir and I got this error Device driver support needs thus be built-in linux image!
[18:33] <drachensun> its saying there is nothing in /boot/config-touch
[18:34] <drachensun> what is supposed to be there?
[18:34] <awe_> cyphermox, one sec... mid conversation with om26er
[18:34] <drachensun> nothing in *slash* boot *slash* config-touch
[18:42] <drachensun> ok so with mir, I'm getting a similar error
[18:42] <drachensun> __pthread_gettid -2
[18:43] <tedg> bfiller, Okay, I think I got them all.  Ping me if I missed one.
[18:44] <bfiller> tedg: will do, thanks
[18:44] <bfiller> I will review
[18:46] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, hey is your 3g fix landing today(ish)?
[18:47] <cyphermox> rickspencer3: hopefully yes, but there's one issue with oFono interfaces I'm trying to understand
[18:47] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, good luck!
[18:47] <cyphermox> rickspencer3: I now know exactly why the connection fails, just don't know why that happens
[18:48] <cyphermox> some interface I watch for dbus property changes just disappears for some reason
[18:48] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, turtles on turtles all the way down
[18:48] <rickspencer3> :)
[18:48] <cyphermox> heh
[18:50] <awe_> cyphermox, are you monitoring the 'Attached' state of the modem?  If the device becomes UnAttached, my guess is that ofono may drop the ContextManager interface
[18:50] <awe_> cyphermox, I can check this out for you...
[18:50] <awe_> is this during setup-data-call that it disappears?
[18:51] <awe_> also, do you have a reproducible test case I can try?
[18:51] <awe_> cyphermox, you should be able to test this out easily using the ofono scripts
[18:52] <awe_> just toggle the same switch that NM uses for "enable mobile data" and see if that brings down the ContextManager interface.  I bet it does...
[18:52] <davmor2> awe_: it's my bug, muhahahahaha!  so just flash the phone with daily-proposed and --no-backup and no 3g on maguro
[18:53] <awe_> davmor2, we're working on it...  patience please
[18:53] <awe_> ;D
[18:55] <davmor2> awe_: :)
[18:55] <ogra> mterry, you rock !
[19:01] <mterry> ogra, :)
[19:02] <tiagoscd> Hey folks, I am getting "Read-only file system" when trying to update/upgrade system
[19:03] <tiagoscd> Do you know if I need to do some specific change to turn filesystem writable?
[19:06] <greyback> tiagoscd: this should help you: https://www.stgraber.org/2013/09/05/ubuntu-touch-system-images-now-default/
[19:07] <tiagoscd> thanks greyback
[19:07] <ogra> note that this will break after some time
[19:07] <anders3408> ogra:  so far so good . now when i press pwrkey  and have Terminal app open it prints a ? :9
[19:07] <ogra> awesome
[19:07] <ogra> so you have input
[19:08] <ogra> i guess for the last mile you will actually need sforshee
[19:08] <anders3408> yes but why a ? :D
[19:08] <anders3408> ahh  :)
[19:08] <ogra> heh, no idea
[19:08] <anders3408> when is he usually on ?
[19:08] <ogra> US timezone ... might be at plumbers this week though
[19:08] <ogra> i know many people are
[19:09] <cyphermox> awe_: it's not dropping the attached state... otherwise I'd also see a message from NM setting the modem as disabled.
[19:10] <cwayne> alecu: ping
[19:11] <anders3408> ogra:  uhm... it must be me that are missing something, as the pwrkey is the same as mako
[19:11] <anders3408> pmic8xxx_pwrkey.kl
[19:14] <awe_> cyphermox, did you see my comment above?  Do you have a reproducible scenario that I can try?
[19:14] <cyphermox> nah :(
[19:14] <cyphermox> davmor2 has that issue
[19:14] <cyphermox> I haven't been able to reproduce yet
[19:15] <awe_> log files that I can check out?
[19:15] <awe_> davmor2, ^^
[19:15] <awe_> cyphermox, however I can help... please let me know
[19:15] <davmor2> awe_: those were
[19:15] <cyphermox> sure
[19:15] <cyphermox> I'll just keep digging, there has to be a simple reason
[19:16] <awe_> I have and 2:45, and then I have to go meet w/a state senator to talk about trains
[19:16] <awe_> ;D
[19:16] <davmor2> awe_: what other logs did you want?
[19:16] <ogra> oh !
[19:16] <ogra> who chopped the ChickenCutlass
[19:16] <awe_> davmor2, cyphermox is looking at your problem, and I was asking how I could help.
[19:16] <awe_> davmor2, so far he can't reproduce your scenario
[19:16] <ChickenCutlass> ogra, I am here
[19:16] <ogra> ah
[19:16] <ogra> then that was an imposter :)
[19:17] <awe_> I was asking him if he could and/or if he had logs for me to inspect...
[19:17] <ChickenCutlass> ogra, no I am just setting up a bip server
[19:17] <ogra> ah
[19:17] <cyphermox> awe_: sometimes I do get it but haven't recently enough to see if ofono has anything to say about it
[19:17] <ChickenCutlass> ogra, any luck with qtubuntu and others?
[19:17] <davmor2> awe_: yeah he gave you a paste ubuntu link with them in :)
[19:17] <davmor2> awe_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6129283/
[19:17] <ogra> ChickenCutlass, see -ci-eng
[19:18] <ogra> ChickenCutlass, still wrangling ...
[19:18] <ChickenCutlass> wow
[19:18] <ChickenCutlass> ok
[19:18] <awe_> HMMMMM....
[19:18] <awe_> davmor2, what kind of phone are you running touch on?
[19:19] <davmor2> awe_: Maguro
[19:19] <awe_> there's all kinds of "can't connect to RILD:  Connection refused (111) " messages in your syslog
[19:19] <awe_> what image, and have you modified it/updated it/customized it?
[19:20] <racarr> Unpacking replacement lxc-android-config ...
[19:20] <racarr> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/lxc-android-config_0.99_all.deb (--install): unable to make backup link of `./lib/udev/rules.d/70-android.rules' before installing new version: Invalid cross-device link
[19:20] <racarr> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/lxc-android-config_0.99_all.deb
[19:20] <racarr> any ideas?
[19:20] <davmor2> awe_: this mornings let me check the number
[19:20] <ogra> racarr, re-flash, apt only works marginally on readonly images, even if you make them writable
[19:22] <racarr> ogra: Ah...ok. Thanks!
[19:23] <awe_> davmor2, could you delete your syslog from /var/log, and then power the phone down.  Let it sit for a few minutes, then boot it.
[19:23] <davmor2> awe_: Yeap give me 5
[19:23] <awe_> your syslog is a) very large
[19:23] <awe_> b) has many kernel/driver stack traces
[19:23] <awe_> c) has lots of temperature too high messages
[19:23] <awe_> in general, doesn't look like a very healthy system
[19:24]  * awe_ wonders if anyone does syslog inspections these days...
[19:31] <bryanagee> This channel makes me hungry for sushi. Thanks Google, with your stupid codenames... =)
[19:33] <davmor2> awe_, cyphermox : new syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/6129653/
[19:33] <alecu> cwayne: pong
[19:33] <awe_> cyphermox, one other thing to consider is ofonod crashing.  That would make the interface go away for sure
[19:34] <awe_> davmor2, thank you sir
[19:34] <davmor2> awe_: pleasure
[19:34] <awe_> davmor2, looks like pulseaudio is continually crashing on your device
[19:35]  * davmor2 shakes his fist at lenart 
[19:37] <awe_> now now, lennart doesn't maintain PA anymore.  More likely fist shaking should be aimed at SoC guys
[19:37] <awe_> and the poor manner they play with ALSA
[19:39] <drachensun> I installed mir with the dist upgrade
[19:39]  * popey returns
[19:39] <drachensun> is there a way to roll it back?
[19:39] <popey> asac: / ogra do we have an image to test?
[19:39] <ogra> popey, nop
[19:39] <davmor2> awe_: I know but lenart seems to get blamed for everything nowadays, I didn't want him to feel left out :)
[19:39] <popey> ogra: kk
[19:40] <davmor2> awe_: so is pa causing the issue with the 3g modem or is that another issue all together?
[19:40] <asac> popey: not before tomorrow :)
[19:40] <awe_> davmor2, sorry got distracted for a moment on another channel
[19:40] <awe_> let me get back to the log
[19:46] <awe_> cyphermox, davmor2: here's the end of davmor2's latest pastebin
[19:46] <awe_> you see the ContextManager disappear, then a bunch of kernel messages
[19:47] <awe_> davmor2, did the machine freeze, or suspend?
[19:47] <awe_> is there anything else in the syslog now?
[19:47] <awe_> ( ie. more ofonod messages or NM messages past 19:31:57? )
[19:47] <davmor2> one second
[19:47] <awe_> davmor2, does this happen every time your reboot?
[19:48] <daker> does anyone know how i can fix this : "lint_control_architecture_valid_contents": "found binaries for architecture 'all': " ?
[19:48] <davmor2> awe_: Yeap I never have 3g on the whole after a flash or a reboot,  I always have to restart network-manager to get 3g
[19:48] <awe_> if ofonod is crashing, I was told we don't yet have working crash reports happening.  So the only way we can verify is to check for crash files, or visually inspect the PID of ofonod before/after to see if it's being re-spawned
[19:49] <awe_> davmor2, ok
[19:49] <bfiller> tedg: where is the messaging menu? hasn't been showing up in the build for days now
[19:50] <tedg> bfiller, unity8 bug.  It's fixed, not sure on release status.
[19:50] <bfiller> ok
[19:50] <bfiller> boiko: ^^^
[19:50] <awe_> also... did you see my question above about whether there's anything else in syslog past the timestamp I mentioned above?  Do you see what I'm talking about when you look at the pastebin?
[19:50] <bfiller> Saviq: any ideas on this?
[19:50] <bfiller> when unity8 fix for messaging menu will land
[19:50] <Saviq> bfiller, it's stuck in "asking"
[19:50] <Saviq> like everything is
[19:50] <bfiller> love it
[19:50] <Saviq> bug #1225017
[19:50] <davmor2> awe_: this is everything after 19:31:57 http://paste.ubuntu.com/6129725/
[19:51] <Saviq> bfiller, merged Tuesday
[19:51] <boiko> WebbyIT: ^
[19:52] <awe_> davmor2, what happens if you run: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[19:52] <awe_> does it every output anything more?
[19:52] <WebbyIT> boiko, uau, thanks
[19:52] <awe_> also could you check to see if ofonod is running?
[19:52] <awe_> davmor2, actually if ofonod crashed, we'd see all the init messages again
[19:53] <awe_> can you do anything else with the phone in this state?  ie. can you make a phone call?
[19:53] <awe_> davmor2, I know it's probably late for you now.  If you want, we can book some time in the morning to do a hangout with myself and cyphermox
[19:54] <awe_> and try to debug your problem live
[19:54] <davmor2> awe_: tail -f /var/log/syslog is just adding 1 extra line every minute or so that is already at the bottom of the last pastebin
[19:54] <davmor2> awe_: yeah that's great
[19:55] <davmor2> awe_: just ping with a time and place :)
[19:55] <awe_> davmor2, does 2 UTC work for you?
[19:55] <awe_> cyphermox, ^^
[19:55] <cyphermox> awe_: I don't think ofono is crashing, like you said, we'd see a whole lot of messages, including some from NM that ofono is no longer on the bus
[19:55] <lool> alecu, ralsina: Arond?
[19:55] <fortunecookie> how can i run "ubuntu for android"? no dowanload is on official ubuntu site
[19:55] <awe_> davmor2, can you make phone calls with the phone in this state?
[19:55] <davmor2> awe_: yeah that is fine
[19:55] <awe_> davmor2, ok
[19:55] <davmor2> awe_: yeap
[19:55] <awe_> I'll book it in gcal
[19:56] <popey> fortunecookie: no, we haven't released UfA
[19:56] <cyphermox> 2UTC tonight?
[19:56] <fortunecookie> oh
[19:56] <awe_> davmor2, oops
[19:56] <awe_> cyphermox, oops
[19:56] <fortunecookie> woops
[19:56] <awe_> I meant 14:00 UTC tomorrow
[19:56] <cyphermox> you mean 14UTC?
[19:56] <cyphermox> ah
[19:56] <awe_> w00t
[19:56] <davmor2> :D
[19:56] <cyphermox> yes, that works :)
[19:56] <davmor2> awe_: yeah that is what I figured you meant
[19:57] <fortunecookie> ubuntu touch vs. firefox os, which is better?
[19:57] <awe_> davmor2, can you do one more thing?  After you get the phone in that state, can you add the output of the following command to the bug ( there is a bug, right? )?
[19:57] <awe_> /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems
[19:57] <popey> fortunecookie: you're asking in an ubuntu channel?
[19:57] <davmor2> awe_: will do :)
[19:58] <awe_> cyphermox, we need to fix the apport scripts for ofono so that all this stuff gets grabbed automatically
[19:58] <alecu> lool: hi
[19:58] <davmor2> fortunecookie: after seeing how you have to answer a call on a FF phone Ubuntu
[19:58] <davmor2> right night all
[19:59] <cyphermox> awe_: if you want to do this I would suggest fixing the ofono scripts to support unicode
[19:59] <cyphermox> they fail badly on my devices due to my provider having an é in the name
[19:59] <awe_> the test scripts?
[19:59] <awe_> dey be python
[19:59] <cyphermox> right
[19:59] <cyphermox> but dey still crash :)
[20:00] <ralsina> lool: yes, I think alecu is also
[20:00] <awe_> cyphermox, file a bug, I can look into fixing them.
[20:00] <cyphermox> there is some parsing that happens, I'll provide a bug
[20:00]  * awe_ thinks sergiusens is a python wizard
[20:00] <awe_> cyphermox, thanks dude
[20:01] <lool> ralsina, alecu: So trying to promote the scope from the unity-daily PPA into saucy
[20:01] <lool> ralsina, alecu: But it didn't have just your change but another change which requires libunity
[20:01] <ralsina> lool: whoa
[20:01] <lool> ralsina, alecu: Do you guys know about the impact of the libunity change, e.g. would it need other packages, would it break anything?
[20:02] <ralsina> lool: let me make sure alecu is getting this
[20:02] <ralsina> lool: because I don't know, myself
[20:02] <lool> alecu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+packages?field.name_filter=libunity&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=saucy
[20:03] <lool> alecu: and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+packages?field.name_filter=unity-lens-applications&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=saucy
[20:04] <lool> alecu: see how there are other changes there?
[20:04] <lool> alecu: these were picked up from upstream bzr branch
[20:04] <alecu> lool: I see
[20:05] <lool> alecu: do you know about these other changes?  what they depend on, whether they are safe etc.?
[20:05] <lool> alecu: and did you test the binaries?
[20:06] <alecu> lool: sorry, I don't know about these other changes. It was my first branch against unity-lens-application.
[20:06] <alecu> lool: I did test these changes with autopilot, though
[20:08] <lool> alecu: ok
[20:11] <cwayne> alecu: hey, i was wondering if you had an updated click pkg for qr-code that i could use to test something out?
[20:18] <alecu> cwayne: I can upload a 0.3 with no changes, if you just need to test.
[20:18] <alecu> cwayne: I made the qr-code app just to test click updates myself :P
[20:19] <cwayne> alecu: that'd be helpful :)  we're using it just to test preinstallation to /custom/click
[20:20] <cwayne> i suppose i could just pull the source bump the version and build it too
[20:20] <alecu> cwayne: sure. Alternatively, I can send you the older versions I'm using: 0.0.1 and 0.1
[20:21] <alecu> cwayne: I usually install an older one on my device, and then try updating from the 0.2 in the store
[20:21] <cwayne> alecu: that makes sense, but we have 0.2 pre-installed and it's actually a bit of a PITA to make a new custom tarball with an older version, so i'll just bump it :)
[20:21] <cwayne> alecu: is the code in a branch somewhere?
[20:22] <alecu> no, let me push it now.
[20:23] <alecu> cwayne: lp:~alecu/+junk/qr-code
[20:23] <alecu> cwayne: should I upload 0.3 to the store as well?
[20:24] <cwayne> alecu: hm, that may actually be helpful
[20:32] <lool> alecu: do you see the preinstalled clicks after installing your scope?
[20:33] <alecu> lool: I saw them yesterday. Should I check with today's image?
[20:34] <alecu> lool: are you just installing the .debs from the archive urls you pasted above?
[20:34] <lool> alecu: that would be good
[20:34] <lool> alecu: from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-applications/7.1.0+13.10.20130919.3-0ubuntu2 actually
[20:35] <lool> armhf build
[20:35] <alecu> ack
[20:35] <lool> alecu: I'm flashing this too
[20:35] <alecu> cwayne: I've uploaded 0.3 to the store, should be available as soon as it's reviewed.
[20:35] <cwayne> alecu: thanks!
[20:35] <lool> alecu: what's the autopilot testsuite you ran again?
[20:36] <alecu> lool: unity8
[20:37] <alecu> lool: I ran it on the device, from adb shell
[20:38] <lool> alecu: ok
[20:45] <alecu> lool: I'm running your package on my device, it seems to show every app installed and hides the duplicates
[20:45] <lool> alecu: including preinstalled ones?
[20:45] <alecu> I'm checking with /home/phablet/.local/share/applications
[20:45] <lool> alecu: like dropping letters
[20:45] <alecu> lool: yes
[20:45] <lool> alecu: check with the shell though
[20:45] <alecu> I've installed your package, and rebooted
[20:45] <lool> alecu: ok; that's good to hear, must have screwed my device
[20:46] <lool> alecu: BTW I see bugs like app icon doens't appear after install
[20:46] <lool> alecu: is this known?
[20:46] <alecu> lool: yes: I'm checking in the dash, and comparing with the list of preinstalled apps in .local/share/applications
[20:46] <alecu> lool: for which app?
[20:46] <lool> alecu: click list as phablet to list the click packgaes you have installed
[20:46] <alecu> lool: there are some apps with broken icons in the store
[20:47] <lool> alecu: no, with icons
[20:47] <lool> alecu: I have to reboot to see them
[20:48] <alecu> lool: ah, yes: that is known: pad.lv/1217461
[20:49] <lool> right
[20:50] <lool> alecu: everything worked for me, modulo the reboots
[20:50] <lool> alecu: this is something I'd like us to test: install some clicks, reinstall image (keeping a backup), check if the clicks are still there with icons and working
[20:51] <lool> alecu: I suspect this is the issue I was seeing before i reflashed
[20:51] <lool> anyway
[20:51] <lool> alecu: not blocking this landing, just sharing
[20:51] <alecu> rickspencer3: in the Franglish app, the Franglish.desktop file has "Icon=qmlscene", so the icon looks empty after installing. I think you should put the filename of a png there, like "Icon=franglish.png"
[20:52] <popey> alecu:     "lint_vcs_files": "found VCS files in package: .bzr"
[20:52] <popey> (your package)
[20:52] <alecu> popey: thanks :-)
[20:52] <rickspencer3> alecu, yeah, Iv'e gotten this feedback
[20:52] <popey> np
[20:52] <rickspencer3> alecu, as soon as click package updates are available in the image, I'll update it :)
[20:53] <alecu> rickspencer3: I like that way of sending pressure my way :-)
[20:53] <rickspencer3> lol
[20:53] <rickspencer3> not meant as pressure
[20:53] <rickspencer3> alecu,  I thought there was an updater app that was already to go into the image?
[20:54] <alecu> yes, our team is working on that :-)
[20:54] <ralsina> rickspencer3, alecu: yes there is, status INARCHIVE
[20:54] <rickspencer3> niiiiice
[20:54] <rickspencer3> ralsina, ok, so I'll try it out tomorrow by updating franglish
[20:54] <ralsina> cool
[20:54] <rickspencer3> then when the infographic api is ready, I'll update it again :)
[20:56] <rickspencer3> ralsina, next image should be a big one for you?
[20:56] <ralsina> yeah
[20:56] <rickspencer3> sweet
[20:57] <ralsina> hopefully sweet ;-)
[20:58] <rickspencer3> ralsina, it will be sweet :)
[20:58] <rickspencer3> "Amazing"
[20:59] <popey> hah
[21:01] <ralsina> rickspencer3: http://i.imgur.com/VcdAFNV.jpg
[21:01] <ralsina> and in that note, school run!
[21:21] <alecu> hmm.... I've updated my ubuntu-sdk and the .click that gets built still contains all of the .bzr folder.
[21:29] <mterry> cwayne, a unity8 version with the background change just hit saucy.  it'll be available for actual use soon
[21:29] <cwayne> mterry: <3 thank you for the update!
[21:30] <cwayne> is the actual ability to change it via an upstart job still waiting on the lightdm stuff?
[21:30] <mterry> cwayne, is the upstart running as root or the user?
[21:31] <cwayne> mterry: we were trying to do it as a user job
[21:31] <mterry> cwayne, yah that's blocked on lightdm.  We're getting closer to landing that though
[21:31] <mterry> cwayne, they are testing the branch again
[21:33] <cwayne> mterry: great news, thanks
[21:35] <alecu> popey: this is why my click had the .bzr folder: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1227896
[21:35] <asac> jdstrand: so the apparomore thing you wanted to land
[21:36] <asac> jdstrand: is that the thing for click package autopilot support?
[21:36] <jdstrand> asac: no
[21:37] <jdstrand> asac: was there a question surrounding that? click-apparmor does what they need. I do have a todo to get back to them on a tigher apparmor rule than what they are using, but they shouldn't be blocked on me
[21:37] <asac> doanac: ^^
[21:38] <doanac> thomi: does this mean we can land your click branch as-is right now?
[21:38] <jdstrand> (click-apparmor supports --include=PATH in 0.1.8-- uploaded that a couple weeks ago)
[21:40] <jdstrand> doanac, thomi: are the instructions in the email still valid?
[21:51] <daker> QUESTION : does any have idea what this means "lint_control_architecture_valid_contents": "found binaries for architecture 'all' ?
[21:52] <daker> anyone*
[21:53] <asac> thomi: hey ho ... do you think your part of click package autopilot testing story is done? or do we need to schedule a meeting at a time where you can attend :)?
[21:57] <cjwatson> alecu: also bug 1223640
[21:58]  * cjwatson leaves comments to link those two bugs; they aren't quite dups
[22:00] <cjwatson> daker: I think that means you have architecture: "all" in your manifest (indicating architecture-independence) but your package contains compiled code and thus should be architecture: "armhf"
[22:00] <davmor2> awe maguro
[22:00] <cjwatson> daker: (though this is going to change anyway - the use of architecture: is in advance of it actually being specced properly)
[22:01] <daker> cjwatson: i have armhf on the manifest http://paste.ubuntu.com/6130131/
[22:02] <cjwatson> daker: oh, don't know then
[22:02] <daker> cjwatson: and popey wont approve the update if the package doesn't passes the script test
[22:02] <cjwatson> rightly so
[22:18] <lool> ralsina, alecu: New -proposed image published
[22:18] <lool> ralsina, alecu: only one version of the launchers (yeah!), had update manager app (yeah!), but it has no icon (booh!)  ;-)
[22:21] <lool> alecu, ralsina: https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-update-manager/+bug/1227910
[22:29] <AskUbuntu> how users will to get ubuntu for phones? | http://askubuntu.com/q/347705
[23:20] <mfisch> barry: you still online? I had a question on the update client