[00:14] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Ugh, hope she feels better
[00:14] <cmaloney> Is it a cold?
[00:15] <cmaloney> I think I'm the only soul here at CHC. :)
[00:18] <rick_h_> :/ sorry man
[00:20] <cmaloney> No worries
[00:20] <cmaloney> I think I just saw Drew pass on by.
[00:22] <cmaloney> Also, I'd love to know the reasoning for Best Buy to ask for your address / phone number / 4 part key when canceling their rewards program account
[00:23] <cmaloney> Apparently they must get a lot of people drunk-canceling their accounts or something
[01:24] <rick_h_> man, I think I might stick in my abusive relationship with verizon :/
[01:24] <rick_h_> I thought going to t-mobile would be $30/mo, but I'd have to go to $60/mo plan and I pay $66 right now per device on verizon
[01:24] <rick_h_> and that's before I spend the full price on a phone
[01:38] <cmaloney> Yuck
[01:38] <cmaloney> t-t-t-t-t-t-ting. :)
[01:39] <rick_h_> heh, not going to happen. Worst of both worlds. Non GSM and no good 4g coverage
[02:00] <cmaloney> cheap, GSM, 4g, not-shitty. Pick two. :)
[02:01] <rick_h_> heh, yea. Well deed is done. Will transfer my upgrade to the wife, bought a developer unlocked moto x. She can pick out wtf she wants since she wants to go with a smaller device this round.
[03:23] <cmaloney> Nice.
[11:51] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:00] <brousch> yessir
[12:00] <brousch> stormy
[12:00] <brousch> nexus 7 arrived. it is smaller than i thought it would be
[12:07] <rick_h_> about 7" :P
[12:07] <rick_h_> ?
[12:07] <rick_h_> morning and ugh
[12:13] <brousch> Really I guess it's just skinnier. My other 7"er is a Nook color, which has a lot more side bezel\
[12:16] <brousch> Also I've been using the HP Touchpad, which is a pretty bulky tablet, so the svelte 7 feels smaller
[12:19] <brousch> perfect thumb typing size, which is what i wanted
[12:42] <brousch> Who is coming to ArtPrize this year?
[12:43] <cmaloney> Hadn't planned on it
[12:43] <brousch> We have the giant fire breathing dragon from Detroit Makerfaire and FoolMoon from Ann Arbor
[12:43] <cmaloney> Oh that's cool.
[12:44] <brousch> Got to meet the dragon guys last night. apparently we can volunteer to help him and get up close and personal with the dragon
[12:54] <cmaloney> I set up the Raspberry Pi yesterday to act as my heyu server.
[12:55] <cmaloney> Which doesn't mean a whole lot since most of the activity happens on the X10 controller itself
[12:55] <cmaloney> But am actively looking for things for it to do. :)
[12:55] <cmaloney> It's the 256MB model with an Ethernet port.
[12:55] <brousch> That sounds cool
[12:55] <brousch> heyu
[12:56] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's nice
[12:56] <cmaloney> Also lets me move the X10 module away from the computer so it can be used elsewhere should I get wireless and whatnot working
[12:57] <brousch> How does it signal into the power lines?
[12:57] <cmaloney> The X10 CM11 interface via a serial port
[12:58] <brousch> ah, i see
[12:58] <brousch> I have zero X10 knowledge
[12:59] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's an old old old protocol
[12:59] <brousch> One home project I want to do is a rfid door unlock triggered by a ring
[13:02] <cmaloney> I'm not sure about electronic door locks
[13:02] <cmaloney> Seems like one of those things that could be easy to get wrong
[13:03] <cmaloney> Like cheap combination locks
[13:04] <cmaloney> http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/6750/using-rfid-only-on-door-lock-to-house
[13:04] <brousch> Well my slider is always unlocked, so I wouldn't be totally helpless if it fails
[13:05] <rick_h_> I was looking at these online the other day https://lockitron.com/preorder
[13:05] <cmaloney> You live in Grand Rapids. Nobody locks anything out there.
[13:06] <brousch> I see no way that an rfid lock is less secure than a key
[13:06] <rick_h_> The new android phones with BT LE should enable them to get the BT unlock thing working
[13:06] <brousch> I live in the suburbs
[13:07] <cmaloney> rick_h_: That looks... off. :)
[13:07] <brousch> That looks OK, but I really want it without the phone
[13:08] <brousch> I want a touchplate or very close proximity
[13:08] <rick_h_> gotcha, like the day care room kind of thing?
[13:08] <brousch> eh?
[13:08] <rick_h_> I've got an over sized credit card and a touch pad for getting into the day care
[13:08] <rick_h_> tap my wallet on the pad to get in
[13:09] <cmaloney> Yeah, like Office Building access
[13:09] <brousch> Yeah, but something I can do with my hands full of groceries
[13:09] <cmaloney> or what they had at my dorm room to gain access
[13:09] <rick_h_> a butt pad :P
[13:09] <cmaloney> brousch: I think those are called "Children"
[13:09] <rick_h_> turn around, lean on the door, open sasame
[13:09] <brousch> elbow maybe
[13:09] <cmaloney> "Hold the door, please"
[13:10] <brousch> turning the knob for me would be pretty cool
[13:11] <brousch> I haven't put a lot of thought into that project though. It's not even on my list yet
[13:11] <rick_h_> I like the idea of the lockitron with BT LE. I walk up to my door, it unlocks
[13:11] <cmaloney> Wouldn't work for our case. We have two locks.
[13:11] <brousch> Yeah, but what happens when you want to lock your door at night?
[13:12] <rick_h_> the app has the ability to set open/closed
[13:12] <rick_h_> over wifi/etc
[13:12] <rick_h_> and you still have a turn dial on the physical lock
[13:12] <brousch> Your battery runs out, you charge it, it sees tyhat within proximity, now your doors are unlocked
[13:12] <rick_h_> https://lockitron.com/preorder look at the pic
[13:13] <rick_h_> my doors are unlocked while I'm home anyway. If I'm home changing the batteries why would it think it should be locked?
[13:13] <brousch> at night?
[13:13] <rick_h_> why am I changing the batteries at night?
[13:13] <brousch> charging
[13:13] <brousch> your phone battery
[13:13] <rick_h_> what charging?
[13:14] <cmaloney> Do you normally charge your phone on your front door?
[13:14] <brousch> or otherwise turning bluetooth off and on
[13:14] <rick_h_> I guess if I charged it right next to the front door...which it would have been there when I locked the door...maybe?
[13:14] <rick_h_> it's the LE, close proximity stuff. Like rfid
[13:14] <brousch> I guess if your bedroom/charger is far enough away
[13:14] <rick_h_> basically BT LE is replacing a lot of functions of rfid these days with the option for more data/etc
[13:14] <brousch> hm
[13:15] <cmaloney> May even replace NFC
[13:15] <rick_h_> PXP, the Proximity Profile allows one device (the Proximity Monitor) to detect whether another device (the Proximity Reporter) is within a close physical range. Physical proximity can be estimated using the radio receiver's RSSI value, although this does not have absolute calibration of distances. Typically, an alarm may be sounded when the distance between the devices exceeds a set threshold.
[13:15] <brousch> I hadn't heard of that
[13:15] <rick_h_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_low_energy
[13:16] <rick_h_> it's how the moto x disabling the pin code works with a BT device. Someone walks away with your phone, it locks.
[13:16] <rick_h_> though that also works with wifi and normal BT devices as well so meh
[13:16] <brousch> I wanted to do that a while ago. You could attach a beacon to anything (keys, wallet, glasses, etc) then get alerted when it was out of range
[13:17] <rick_h_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13705647/finding-distance-from-rssi-value-of-bluetooth-low-energy-enable-device is kind of interesting
[13:17] <rick_h_> so there's a dev working on detecting the value
[13:18] <brousch> We have a guy at GRMakers whose Master is finding distance to things from rfid signal
[13:18] <rick_h_> http://www.motorola.com/us/motorola-skip-moto-x/Motorola-Skip-for-Moto-X/motorola-skip-moto-x.html is the NFC thing for the moto x to do the unlock thing
[13:18] <brousch> He says it's pretty easy outside, but inside signal reflection gets messy
[13:18] <cmaloney> I'm glad they dropped the Wibree moniker
[13:22] <brousch> of course the ultimate is voice activation throughout the house 'Jarvis, unlock the door'
[13:23] <jrwren> what is a heyu server?
[13:48] <widox> speaking of BT LE, you guys see this? http://www.thetileapp.com/
[13:49] <rick_h_> widox: yea, seem kind of cool.
[13:49] <rick_h_> need to get one of those built into my wife's phone
[13:50] <rick_h_> she's always losing track of where she left it
[13:51] <brousch> That is cool
[13:51] <rick_h_> $60 a year for 3 though :/ look forward to mass production/price drops hopefully.
[13:52] <brousch> Does Tile work on Android, Windows Phone, or Blackberry? No, not at this time.
[13:52] <jrwren> subscription? ugh.
[13:52] <widox> yeah, that plus no Androit
[13:52] <jrwren> not to mention, hacker theft. if I want to really piss someone off, I hack their tiles and know exactly where their most precious items are.
[13:53] <rick_h_> yea, android is just getting BT LE support. It'll be in kitkat and the devices are just coming out with it
[13:53] <widox> not sure why coin cell batteries are so awful that I have to throw them away when the tiles die
[13:53] <brousch> Well it sounds like it works by the app remembering where it saw a tile, so you'd have to be close enough to them already
[13:54] <rick_h_> brousch: right, but there's the active 'hot/cold' mode as well
[13:54] <rick_h_> brousch: using that proximity stuff we were talking about earlier
[13:54] <jrwren> they take batteries? *ugh*
[13:55] <rick_h_> well yea, but last one full year
[13:55] <rick_h_> well, they're charged, last a year, meant to be replaced
[13:55] <jrwren> still, it should be lower E than that.
[13:55] <jrwren> how is it that those take batteries but rfid doesn't?  something I never understood.
[13:55] <jrwren> is it because rfid is energized by near em field?
[13:56] <rick_h_> yea, rfid I think is charged/powered by the device inquiring
[13:56] <rick_h_> but rfid is just "tell me your data" while bt le can be data transfer
[13:57] <rick_h_> so in this case, these things can light up a speaker if you're within range and instruct it to do something
[13:57] <jrwren> https://medium.com/code-adventures/97300be548d1
[13:57] <rick_h_> I find it facinating. Hated BT for so long, but BT LE seems to be the original promose finally realized
[13:58] <jrwren> agreed.
[13:58] <jrwren> i usually have BT off on all my devices.
[13:58] <jrwren> batteries more important than BT
[13:58] <brousch> I have used BT exactly 2 times. Both times to transfer photos from a dumbphone
[13:59] <jrwren> i had a BT mouse for PC use, guess waht, it worked for shit.
[13:59] <jrwren> i had a BT headset for PC use, guess waht, it worked for shit.
[13:59] <jrwren> after that, I said I didn't like BT :)
[13:59] <brousch> Wait, I lied. I used BT way back in 2002 for a BT modem while on vacation
[13:59] <rick_h_> heh, my GNex and N10 got me on the BT train
[14:00] <rick_h_> keyboard, headphones, two external speakers, fitbit, pebble
[14:01] <jrwren> where does he get these toys?
[14:01] <jrwren> bah, misquote
[14:01] <jrwren> Where does he get all those wonderful toys?
[14:02] <rick_h_> jrwren: what do you use for a keyboard on your ipad?
[14:02] <rick_h_> or do you just type on it?
[14:03] <jrwren> i did do that once, yes.
[14:03] <jrwren> once, years ago :)
[14:03] <rick_h_> hah
[14:03] <jrwren> oh, I guess I do use a BT magic mouse most days at work.
[14:16] <cmaloney> jrwren: It's just a Raspberry pi that I run heyu on
[14:17] <cmaloney> heyu being a command-line X10 interface
[14:17] <cmaloney> Calling it a server is a bit generous
[14:24] <jrwren> ah, I see now.
[14:32] <cmaloney> Just looking for applications for it.
[14:34] <brousch> I drank caffeinated coffee this morning and now my pinkie is twitching
[14:35] <jrwren> mmm... coffee. imma get cup 3 soon.
[14:36] <rick_h_> heh, I've just moved up to a 20oz mug
[14:37] <brousch> If I drink the good stuff for 3 days in a row my angina comes back
[14:40] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009HVH4XO/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is an awesome mug by the way
[14:43] <brousch> I'm enjoying my Clever Drip at work.
[14:45] <jrwren> angina? holy shit!
[14:45]  * jrwren sings beasty boys heart attack man
[15:00] <jrwren> because I know rick_h_ loves eneloop: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0058N6JUE?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
[15:00] <rick_h_> hah
[15:01] <jrwren> oh, lightning deal is done. it was $36
[15:01] <rick_h_> ah, bummer
[15:03] <jrwren> i wonder if there are BT LE add ons for arduino or rPI projects.  could be fun to talk to phone with them.
[15:03] <brousch> jrwren: About 6 years ago I was drinking a Biggby Redeye (24oz coffee+4 shots espresso) every morning. It gave me angina after a while, so I switched to decaf. Now caffeine has a large effect on me when I drink it.
[15:04] <jrwren> holy shit!
[15:05] <brousch> A slightly older friend said he did the same, and he had a heart attack after the angina. So he scared me straight
[16:31] <rick_h_> more BT LE news http://r.bmark.us/u/e5157be7812a2b
[16:31] <rick_h_> theme of hte day
[16:35] <mathomastech> alias sl="ls"
[16:36] <mathomastech> That's enough work accomplished for one day.
[17:02] <jrwren> vladikk.com/2013/09/12/serving-flask-with-nginx-on-ubuntu/   strange that he uses a special nginx repo but doesn't say WHY
[17:04] <jrwren> i'm amuzed because that blog post makes it 6X more complex than our nginx+uwsgi hosting :)
[17:06] <rick_h_> well he's getting the nginx from nginx
[17:06] <rick_h_> so should be better about updates/etc and nginx isn't in ubuntu main anyway so it's not promised immediate security updates/etc
[17:07] <rick_h_> looks reasonable enough
[17:07] <jrwren> ah! interesting. OK, great to knwo. I hadn't considered that.
[20:43] <jrwren> where is the resolvconf missing manual?
[20:43] <jrwren> or does everyone just hack around it?
[20:45] <jrwren> found it! http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=resolvconf/resolvconf.git;a=blob;f=README;hb=HEAD
[20:50] <jrwren> that really helps!
[20:50] <jrwren> YAY
[20:52] <jrwren> also... templated cloud-config ftw.  cloud-init ftw
[22:12] <cmaloney> Evening
[22:18] <gamerchick02> howdy cmaloney
[22:18] <gamerchick02> how's things?
[22:42] <cmaloney> Doing OK
[22:42] <cmaloney> Just playing with my raspberry Pi
[22:43] <gamerchick02> oooh
[22:43] <gamerchick02> i just ate dinner. not much into dinner tonight but i figured i should have something so i don't eat a bunch of cookies at 8
[22:44] <cmaloney> http://www.rpgnow.com/product/17068/T1-4-Temple-of-Elemental-Evil-%281e%29?it=1
[22:44] <gamerchick02> what are you making the Pi do?
[22:44] <cmaloney> Free for one week
[22:44] <cmaloney> Well, I'm going to do some dev on it
[22:44] <cmaloney> but first I want to play with PiMAME. :)
[22:44] <gamerchick02> PiMAME?
[22:44] <gamerchick02> that's cool, thanks for the link
[22:47] <cmaloney> np
[22:47] <cmaloney> MAME for the Raspberry Pi
[22:48] <gamerchick02> you're making an arcade
[22:48] <gamerchick02> (i googled it for myself)
[22:48] <cmaloney> Not really, just playing with Arcade ROMs
[22:48] <gamerchick02> ah
[22:48] <cmaloney> I'm a child of the arcade, so I have a fondness for it.
[22:48] <gamerchick02> that'd be cool though... make a cabinet arcade with a Pi in there
[22:48] <gamerchick02> i do like a good arcade game.
[22:48] <gamerchick02> OH
[22:49] <gamerchick02> there's a Pinball Expo at OU in the spring
[22:49] <gamerchick02> we went as a work group thing and i wanna go again. that was so much fun!
[22:49] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm sad I missed it
[22:49] <gamerchick02> :(
[22:49] <gamerchick02> speaking of Mame, when i hear that, i think of the musical with Angela Lansbury. so yeah...
[23:30] <gamerchick02> i've gotta switch to my other computer. i don't have an evernote client on here that can export stuff
[23:30] <gamerchick02> bbiab
[23:33] <smlr-hangout> SMLR is live now (Video Only) http://www.youtube.com/embed/QKKAhmZfDrg
[23:35] <greg-g> it's saturday already?! hot damn!
[23:37] <tony-smlr> haha thanks greg-g