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Kilosgmornig all05:06
Kilosgmorning too05:07
Kiloshi bduk 05:22
Squirmhi05:57
Kilosmorning Squirm 05:59
Kilosi go feed sheep07:07
Kiloshi Vince-0 07:39
Vince-0hi!07:39
Kilosinetpro, het jy met die taak gewen?08:02
Kilosmore08:02
theblazehenMore Kilos 08:04
Kiloshi theblazehen 08:05
nuvolario/ more oom Kilos 08:13
nuvolarihi theblazehen 08:13
nuvolariand tonberryE352 08:13
Kiloslo nuvolari 08:13
nuvolariLTNS08:13
nuvolarihi Vince-0 08:13
theblazehenhi nuvolari 08:13
Kilossigh where must i click to see this answer please08:22
Kiloshttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/14571932/python-typeerror-nonetype-object-has-no-attribute-getitem08:22
Vince-0haai08:25
Kilossorry peeps.08:34
charlgood morning08:44
charlMaaz: coffee on08:44
* Maaz flips the salt-timer08:44
Kiloshi charl 08:44
charlKilos: what are you busy with the pythons there08:45
charland hi :)08:45
MaazCoffee's ready for charl!08:48
Kilosstruggling my bot charl 08:48
Kilosget that error when she gotta google stuff08:49
KilosTypeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute '__getitem__'08:49
charlMaaz: thanks08:55
Maazcharl: Sure08:55
charldo you have a file and line number?08:56
charlwhich exact line of code is producing this08:56
charlaccording to my understanding this is python's equivalent to a java nullpointerexception08:56
Kiloslemme try get it08:56
charlone of the most infamous java errors :)08:56
Kiloshttp://slexy.org/view/s2ix9h4bne09:00
Kiloswhat file and line number you looking for09:02
charlthere you go09:05
charlFile "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ibid/plugins/google.py", line 55, in search09:06
charlnow you know the file and you know the line number09:06
charlit's the topmost item in the stack trace09:06
charlfor item in items["responseData"]["results"]:09:07
charlthat's the line of code that is producing the error09:07
charlwhat is happening here is that either items is None or items["responseData"] is None09:07
Kilosyeah i saw that on stackoverflow too but have no idea how to fix it09:08
Kilosthey show the question but i cant find the answers and if i did they wouldnt most likely explain for ordinary peeps09:09
Kilosso must i nano that09:10
ThatGraemeGuymorning all09:12
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 09:12
Kiloslast day hey09:12
Kilosenjoy it09:12
Kilosthey cant make you slave today09:12
ThatGraemeGuylol09:13
ThatGraemeGuythey never could anyway09:13
ThatGraemeGuynice farewell lunch with my team to distract me from work even more :)09:14
Kiloshaha09:14
Kilosenjoy. 09:14
Kiloshow does one copy a whole file in nano09:20
Kilosit dont auto scroll09:20
ThatGraemeGuycp file nameofcopy09:25
ThatGraemeGuyin a terminal09:25
Kilosoh before its open in nano?09:27
ThatGraemeGuyyeah09:28
Kilosty09:28
ThatGraemeGuyor you mean that you want to copy text to the clipboard?09:28
Kilosi want to copy /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ibid/plugins/google.py so i can pastebin it09:29
ThatGraemeGuyoooh09:30
ThatGraemeGuyopen it in a graphical editor, will be far easier09:31
ThatGraemeGuygedit or leafpad or kate or whatever you have09:31
Kiloswhat does debian 7 use09:33
Kilosi dont want to install extra stuff on a host09:33
Kilosgedit want to install 29m 09:34
Kilosnano is already there09:35
Kilosah ThatGraemeGuy cat worked kiff10:01
Kiloshttp://slexy.org/view/s21sa80laW10:01
Kiloscharl, ^^10:01
Kilosis it line 99?10:03
Kiloshi Cantide 10:03
Cantidehello :)10:03
Kiloshaha Dear google We promise we dont bite10:18
Kilosor is it line 3010:26
Kilosdont see many none around10:26
Kiloshi maiatoday 11:00
maiatodayhi Kilos11:01
charlok back11:49
charlhi Kilos  looking now11:49
Kilosone needs to understand python to understand all of that11:52
charlthe script is making use of this api https://developers.google.com/web-search/docs/11:52
charlhowever, i immediately notice something11:52
charlin the python code it is making use of http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/search/web11:52
charlbut in the example code it uses https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/search/web11:52
charlnote the difference - http vs https11:53
Kilosyeah11:53
charljust tested it on curl but it seems like both work for me11:53
Kilosi dont understand the prob because im using the exact ibid release and georgl as well and ours have no probe11:55
Kilosprobs11:55
charlare you behind an http proxy?11:55
Kilosmaybe something related to the install11:55
charlyou can test the example here from your machine: curl -e http://www.my-ajax-site.com 'http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/search/web?v=1.0&q=Paris%20Hilton'11:55
charlthat's without the https11:55
Kilosi use no proxy i think11:55
Kiloslotsa stuff there11:57
Kilosthats by me11:57
Kilosi check on host and see11:57
Kilossame11:57
charli have absolutely no idea11:59
charldid you specify an api key ?11:59
charlor a country?11:59
charlsounds to me like a bug in ibid - you should report it to the developers12:00
Kilosnope nothing specified i think12:02
Kilosfirst wanna fix it then will tell tumbles what we did12:03
Kiloshe too busy to fix bugs12:03
charlno idea, i would need to fiddle with it by sitting down with it to figure this out12:08
charli would need to dump some stuff out to the console12:08
charlbut most likely google changed something and now ibid is kapot12:08
charlwhow, you're running a server in japan?12:14
charljust looked at the pricing on linode.com but it looks really expensive12:14
Kilosnot me12:15
Kilosi been given an account on it for the bot12:15
charlhow's the latency on that12:16
charli pinged the host and it had like a 250ms latency12:16
Kilosvery fast12:16
charlreally? that's very strange12:16
Kilosquicker than maaz i think12:16
charlwhat is your definition of fast though12:16
KilosQA, hi12:16
QAhi12:16
charlwhat's the ping from your side?12:17
KilosMaaz, hi12:17
MaazSup Kilos12:17
Kilosping what link?12:17
charl$ ping li618-159.members.linode.com12:17
charlfor me it's consistently 259ms exactly12:17
SquirmIf I ping freenode from the account12:18
Squirm64 bytes from sendak.freenode.net (193.219.128.49): icmp_req=9 ttl=40 time=300 ms12:18
Squirm64 bytes from sendak.freenode.net (193.219.128.49): icmp_req=10 ttl=40 time=300 ms12:18
Squirm64 bytes from sendak.freenode.net (193.219.128.49): icmp_req=11 ttl=40 time=300 ms12:18
Squirm64 bytes from sendak.freenode.net (193.219.128.49): icmp_req=12 ttl=40 time=300 ms12:18
charlyeah but that's to the irc server i was asking to that linode host12:23
charlwow sendak is in lithuania12:24
georgli have tried both http and https options, and both work fine13:13
Kiloslol13:13
georglhowever https takes a little longer to return result13:13
psyatwhi Kilos13:13
psyatwhi georgl13:14
georglhi psyatw13:14
Kiloshi psyatw 13:14
charlhi psyatw 13:14
psyatwwhy is that the case according to you, georgl?13:14
psyatwhi charl13:14
KilosMaaz, seen georgelappies13:14
MaazKilos: georgelappies was last seen 2 months, 1 day, 18 hours, 32 minutes and 55 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-07-19 20:41:42 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-07-28 19:39:20 SAST13:14
Kiloswow so long13:14
Kiloscharl, if there was a bug in the ibid package it would surely affect other installs on other pcs too?13:15
charlyes13:16
georglis charl the host owner?13:17
* psyatw remembers certain SPARC and MIPS processors have have hardware acceleration for SSL, so there wouldn´t really be a difference in processing speed between http and https13:18
georglmy test was on a cloud server.13:18
georglnot sure what the backend is13:19
charlpsyatw: how many millennia ago did that make a difference? :P13:19
psyatwcharl, I´m wondering because of of what georgl said above :P13:19
charlsorry got behind, reading13:20
charloh i see, no that probably has nothing to do with it13:20
charlwhat is most likely the case is you first need to perform a tls transaction13:20
charland the latency takes time13:21
georglyup13:21
charlfor me it makes no real difference13:21
Kilosnope Squirm 13:21
charlapparently it does make a difference - between 0m0.023s and 0m0.039s here13:22
charlthat is a significant difference, it's almost twice as long13:23
charlexcept i don't really feel the 0.02s difference13:23
Kilosyou okes are splitting hairs13:24
Kiloshi roochy 13:30
Kiloswelcome to ubuntu-za13:31
roochythanks for that useless information13:31
Kiloslol13:32
charl:S13:32
Kilosif you need ubuntu or linux help youve come to the right place13:33
Kilosis that more helpfull ?13:33
charloh my goodness i started laughing here and now i can't stop13:35
Kiloshehe13:35
charlok lemme try to regain myself and carry on working13:38
Trixar_zaroochy: No problem. Useless information is our forte. Please stand by for more of it.13:38
Kiloshi Trixar_za hehe13:39
roochysweet like a lemon13:39
Kilossharp like a minora13:39
Trixar_zablunt like a razor13:41
Kiloshows the kernel doing Trixar_za ?13:42
Trixar_zaAlways comes up with the same error13:47
Kiloseish13:48
charlwhow the new spring website is looking awesome13:48
charlhttp://spring.io/13:48
Kilosoh my just noticed the package i gave to install to the  debian host is the package for precise14:07
Kilosmaybe they os selective14:08
Kiloshmm...14:08
Kilosos specific14:08
Kilosdaai ding14:08
ThatGraemeGuyok time to wipe the laptop, bye now15:08
ThatGraemeGuyactually bye for a while, until i get another laptop sometime :-)15:09
ThatGraemeGuyor tab15:09
ThatGraemeGuykbye!15:09
Kilosaw 16:09
magespawnGood evening17:56
Vince-0!17:56
Kiloshi magespawn 17:57
Kilosi see eames left sometime17:57
Kilosi think my ibid prob is we installed a precise package into debian717:58
magespawnYup yup, that the alternate nick on the laptop17:58
magespawnOops17:58
Kilosoh not the work nick?17:59
Kilosi cant find one for debian17:59
* Kilos cries17:59
charlwhahahah http://25.media.tumblr.com/df1b923978568eef4357ffd018756567/tumblr_msqke1i2001shiiezo1_1280.jpg17:59
charlhi magespawn, Vince-0, Kilos17:59
Kiloshi charl 18:00
charlwhat problem is this?18:01
charlwith the ibid18:01
magespawnHey charl  Vince-018:01
Kilosya18:01
charlare you still on about the google problem?18:01
Kilosbut everything works except for intermittent google burps18:01
Kiloswell duh!18:01
charlintermittent?18:01
Kilosthats a major problem18:02
charlso most of the time it works well?18:02
KilosQA, google lost18:02
QAKilos: I'm not feeling too well18:02
Kilosother times it works18:02
charlsounds like something else to me18:02
magespawnQA google trees18:02
QAmagespawn: "Tree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree :: "Trees" http://treesdallas.com/ :: "Trees at arborday.org - Arbor Day Foundation" http://www.arborday.org/trees/ :: "What Tree Is It? HOME - Ohio Public Library Information Network" http://www.oplin.org/tree/ :: "/r/trees - home of the ents - Reddit" http://www.reddit.com/r/trees/ :: "NC State University: Tree Information - Trees" http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/dep…18:02
charlgoogle is known to be really reliable18:02
charli don't think it has anything to do with debian18:03
magespawnQA google big cars18:03
QAmagespawn: That didn't seem to agree with me18:03
magespawnQA google big cars18:03
QAmagespawn: I'm not feeling too well18:03
magespawnQA google cars18:03
QAmagespawn: That didn't go down very well. Burp.18:03
magespawnLol18:03
charlwhat happens when you do all of that with curl on the same server18:03
charlQA: google spring18:03
QAcharl: That didn't seem to agree with me18:03
charljust repeatedly curl a bunch of stuff18:04
Kiloslemme try18:04
Kiloscurl -e hey?18:04
charlyeah18:04
Kilosi gotta use links with that curl -e18:05
Kilosthats no good18:06
charlQA: google ubuntu18:06
QAcharl: "Ubuntu: The world's most popular free OS" http://www.ubuntu.com/ :: "Download Ubuntu Desktop | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop :: "Download Ubuntu | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download :: "Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) :: "Ubuntu (philosophy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy) :: "Ubunt…18:06
charlQA: google ubuntu18:06
QAcharl: "Ubuntu: The world's most popular free OS" http://www.ubuntu.com/ :: "Download Ubuntu Desktop | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop :: "Download Ubuntu | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download :: "Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) :: "Ubuntu (philosophy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy) :: "Ubunt…18:06
charlQA: google debian18:07
QAcharl: "Debian -- The Universal Operating System" http://www.debian.org/ :: "Debian -- Getting Debian" http://www.debian.org/distrib/ :: "Downloading Debian CD/DVD images via HTTP/FTP" http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ :: "Debian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian :: "DistroWatch.com: Debian GNU/Linux" http://distrowatch.com/debian :: "The Debian Project (debian) on Twitter" https://twitter.com/debian :: "Deb…18:07
Kilosif one can curl -e trees ya18:07
charlQA: google random nonsense18:07
QAcharl: That didn't go down very well. Burp.18:07
charlQA: google railgun18:07
QAcharl: "Railgun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun :: "Rail Gun Naval Test Shot - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54aLcC3G74 :: "HowStuffWorks "How Rail Guns Work"" http://science.howstuffworks.com/rail-gun.htm :: "The Military's Super Shipwrecking Railgun Just Got Really Real" http://gizmodo.com/5889004/the-militarys-shipwrecking-railgun-just-got-really-real :: "Electromagnetic Railgun - Office of N…18:07
charlQA: google free software18:07
QAcharl: "Front Page — Free Software Foundation — working together for free ..." http://www.fsf.org/ :: "Free software - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software :: "CNET Download.com: Free software downloads and software reviews" http://download.cnet.com/ :: "Completely FREE Software - Windows & DOS freeware" http://www.completelyfreesoftware.com/ :: "What is free software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foun…18:07
charlQA: google movies18:08
QAcharl: That didn't seem to agree with me18:08
charli am seeing a pattern here - when the search term is too generic it refuses to work18:08
charlQA: google quantum physics18:08
QAcharl: I'm not feeling too well18:08
charlQA: google photons18:08
QAcharl: That didn't go down very well. Burp.18:08
charlQA: google gravitons18:08
QAcharl: "Graviton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton :: "Graviton -- from Eric Weisstein's World of Physics - ScienceWorld" http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Graviton.html :: "Extra dimensions, gravitons, and tiny black holes | CERN" http://home.web.cern.ch/about/physics/extra-dimensions-gravitons-and-tiny-black-holes :: "Graviton" https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Graviton.html :: "…18:08
charlhmmm i dunno18:09
Kilosyeah frustrating18:11
KilosQA, coffee on18:11
* QA washes some mugs18:11
Kiloseverything else works fine18:12
Kilosinetpro, koffie18:12
Kilostumbleweed, point us in the right direction please18:14
magespawnQA coffee please18:15
QAmagespawn: Alrighty18:15
Kilosshe is so cute i gotta fix her by hook or by crook18:15
QACoffee's ready for Kilos and magespawn!18:15
KilosQA, danke18:16
QABitteschön18:16
magespawnIs there a module of the ibid that controls how the google works?18:17
Kilosgoogle.py i think18:17
Kilosi pasted it somewhere18:17
magespawnMaybe there is a setting there to tweek18:18
Kiloshttp://slexy.org/view/s21sa80laW18:18
Kiloshttp://slexy.org/view/s21wvutsIf18:19
Kilosim trying to find the one in history18:19
Kilosmaybe cause she dunno what country she is in18:20
Kilosnow behaves like an arab18:20
magespawnMaybe18:30
georglrofl18:31
Kiloshehe18:31
magespawnJust dozed of there for a sec, new job has me tired18:31
Kilosshame18:32
Kilosnot used normal work hours18:32
magespawnQuiet lekker actuall618:32
Kilosgood18:32
magespawnAnd not used to getting the work piled on all at once18:33
Kilosi thought it was working18:33
magespawnGot to play with some nice wireless equipment today18:33
magespawnIt is, but almost zero fault tolerance18:34
Kilosif its not broken dont fix it18:35
Kilosget the manual stuff all done first18:36
magespawnYou mean asterisk or lpic?18:38
Kilosyou said you gotta do cabling18:38
Kilosor fibre18:39
Kilosi forget18:39
magespawnCabling18:39
Kilosto all the buildings18:39
Kilosya while everything is working do that first18:39
magespawnSorting a wireless link to the gm house tomorrow 18:39
Kilosoh he no cable fan18:40
magespawnThere are going to be some building changes as well, so trying to keep everything running and okay till then18:40
Kilosisnt wifi slow18:41
magespawn300mbps18:41
magespawnLike I say some nice equipment18:41
Kilosthats slower than good 3g18:41
magespawnNo good 3g18:41
magespawnAnd this is stable18:42
Kilosyeah for there but i mean wifi isnt that good18:42
magespawnBrb18:43
Kiloslol18:43
magespawnRight18:44
Kiloswhats this18:45
Kilos(Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish!)18:45
Kiloshehe18:45
magespawna line from the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy18:45
Kiloslol18:45
Kilosdid you look at the slexy links magespawn ?18:46
magespawnOn the other end of the wifi is a 4mbps uncapped adsl line18:47
Kiloslook for tweaks18:47
magespawnYes I did, did not understand it all18:47
Kiloslol18:47
Kilosibid be serious python18:47
magespawnYes and most of that ie over my head at the moment18:48
magespawnS/ie/is18:48
Kilosthats part of why we wanted to study python18:49
magespawnYes indeed, but you have to learn to walk before you run18:50
Kilosand the pro waylaid us18:50
Kilosgrrr18:50
magespawnIt is kind of the right way to do things18:50
magespawnBesides we can discuss it anyway18:50
Kilosdont take his part18:50
Kilosmeeting here monday night hey18:51
magespawnShame he needs some support now and then18:51
Kiloshahaha18:52
Kiloshe is too cheeky most of the time18:52
* Kilos waits for ai!18:52
magespawnYes and this Friday on #linux-studies18:52
Vince-0http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/09/testing-ubuntu-touch-final-month-before.html18:52
Vince-0need one of those supported devices18:52
Kilosno one got past runlevels18:52
Kilosoh btw in unity you adduser and kde useradd18:54
Kiloswhen i upgraded to kde3 4.11 and had probs i battle to adduser but useradd worked18:56
Kilosonly couldnt get one added with sudo power18:57
magespawnDo you not  have to use sudo to add a user anyway?19:05
Kilosya sudo adduser nick sudo19:06
Kilosthe it complains about sudo19:06
Kilosbut worked without last sudo19:06
Kilosbedtime for ballies19:08
magespawnThe last one does not make sense19:08
Kilosnight all sleep tight19:08
magespawnGood night19:09
Kilosthats supposed to tell it has admin power19:09
Kiloshope QA haunts peeps19:09
KilosQA, night love19:10
QASleep tight Kilos See you tomorrow19:10
magespawnGood night all20:10
inetprohmm...20:12
inetprogood evening everyone20:12
charlhi inetpro 20:12
inetprocharl: how are you this evening?20:12
charli'm great thanks, yourself?20:12
inetprohot in Pretoria20:12
charlextremely rainy in the netherlands20:13
charlwe have been raining out for about a month now20:13
inetprothis day just went way to quickly again20:13
georglstorming in cape town20:13
charlthis whole week has flown by20:13

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