[05:06] gmornig all [05:07] gmorning too [05:22] hi bduk [05:57] hi [05:59] morning Squirm [07:07] i go feed sheep [07:39] hi Vince-0 [07:39] hi! [08:02] inetpro, het jy met die taak gewen? [08:02] more [08:04] More Kilos [08:05] hi theblazehen [08:13] o/ more oom Kilos [08:13] hi theblazehen [08:13] and tonberryE352 [08:13] lo nuvolari [08:13] LTNS [08:13] hi Vince-0 [08:13] hi nuvolari [08:22] sigh where must i click to see this answer please [08:22] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14571932/python-typeerror-nonetype-object-has-no-attribute-getitem [08:25] haai [08:34] sorry peeps. [08:44] good morning [08:44] Maaz: coffee on [08:44] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [08:44] hi charl [08:45] Kilos: what are you busy with the pythons there [08:45] and hi :) [08:48] Coffee's ready for charl! [08:48] struggling my bot charl [08:49] get that error when she gotta google stuff [08:49] TypeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute '__getitem__' [08:55] Maaz: thanks [08:55] charl: Sure [08:56] do you have a file and line number? [08:56] which exact line of code is producing this [08:56] according to my understanding this is python's equivalent to a java nullpointerexception [08:56] lemme try get it [08:56] one of the most infamous java errors :) [09:00] http://slexy.org/view/s2ix9h4bne [09:02] what file and line number you looking for [09:05] there you go [09:06] File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ibid/plugins/google.py", line 55, in search [09:06] now you know the file and you know the line number [09:06] it's the topmost item in the stack trace [09:07] for item in items["responseData"]["results"]: [09:07] that's the line of code that is producing the error [09:07] what is happening here is that either items is None or items["responseData"] is None [09:08] yeah i saw that on stackoverflow too but have no idea how to fix it [09:09] they show the question but i cant find the answers and if i did they wouldnt most likely explain for ordinary peeps [09:10] so must i nano that [09:12] morning all [09:12] hi ThatGraemeGuy [09:12] last day hey [09:12] enjoy it [09:12] they cant make you slave today [09:13] lol [09:13] they never could anyway [09:14] nice farewell lunch with my team to distract me from work even more :) [09:14] haha [09:14] enjoy. [09:20] how does one copy a whole file in nano [09:20] it dont auto scroll [09:25] cp file nameofcopy [09:25] in a terminal [09:27] oh before its open in nano? [09:28] yeah [09:28] ty [09:28] or you mean that you want to copy text to the clipboard? [09:29] i want to copy /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ibid/plugins/google.py so i can pastebin it [09:30] oooh [09:31] open it in a graphical editor, will be far easier [09:31] gedit or leafpad or kate or whatever you have [09:33] what does debian 7 use [09:33] i dont want to install extra stuff on a host [09:34] gedit want to install 29m [09:35] nano is already there [10:01] ah ThatGraemeGuy cat worked kiff [10:01] http://slexy.org/view/s21sa80laW [10:01] charl, ^^ [10:03] is it line 99? [10:03] hi Cantide [10:03] hello :) [10:18] haha Dear google We promise we dont bite [10:26] or is it line 30 [10:26] dont see many none around [11:00] hi maiatoday [11:01] hi Kilos [11:49] ok back [11:49] hi Kilos looking now [11:52] one needs to understand python to understand all of that [11:52] the script is making use of this api https://developers.google.com/web-search/docs/ [11:52] however, i immediately notice something [11:52] in the python code it is making use of http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/search/web [11:52] but in the example code it uses https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/search/web [11:53] note the difference - http vs https [11:53] yeah [11:53] just tested it on curl but it seems like both work for me [11:55] i dont understand the prob because im using the exact ibid release and georgl as well and ours have no probe [11:55] probs [11:55] are you behind an http proxy? [11:55] maybe something related to the install [11:55] you can test the example here from your machine: curl -e http://www.my-ajax-site.com 'http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/search/web?v=1.0&q=Paris%20Hilton' [11:55] that's without the https [11:55] i use no proxy i think [11:57] lotsa stuff there [11:57] thats by me [11:57] i check on host and see [11:57] same [11:59] i have absolutely no idea [11:59] did you specify an api key ? [11:59] or a country? [12:00] sounds to me like a bug in ibid - you should report it to the developers [12:02] nope nothing specified i think [12:03] first wanna fix it then will tell tumbles what we did [12:03] he too busy to fix bugs [12:08] no idea, i would need to fiddle with it by sitting down with it to figure this out [12:08] i would need to dump some stuff out to the console [12:08] but most likely google changed something and now ibid is kapot [12:14] whow, you're running a server in japan? [12:14] just looked at the pricing on linode.com but it looks really expensive [12:15] not me [12:15] i been given an account on it for the bot [12:16] how's the latency on that [12:16] i pinged the host and it had like a 250ms latency [12:16] very fast [12:16] really? that's very strange [12:16] quicker than maaz i think [12:16] what is your definition of fast though [12:16] QA, hi [12:16] hi [12:17] what's the ping from your side? [12:17] Maaz, hi [12:17] Sup Kilos [12:17] ping what link? [12:17] $ ping li618-159.members.linode.com [12:17] for me it's consistently 259ms exactly [12:18] If I ping freenode from the account [12:18] 64 bytes from sendak.freenode.net (193.219.128.49): icmp_req=9 ttl=40 time=300 ms [12:18] 64 bytes from sendak.freenode.net (193.219.128.49): icmp_req=10 ttl=40 time=300 ms [12:18] 64 bytes from sendak.freenode.net (193.219.128.49): icmp_req=11 ttl=40 time=300 ms [12:18] 64 bytes from sendak.freenode.net (193.219.128.49): icmp_req=12 ttl=40 time=300 ms [12:23] yeah but that's to the irc server i was asking to that linode host [12:24] wow sendak is in lithuania [13:13] i have tried both http and https options, and both work fine [13:13] lol [13:13] however https takes a little longer to return result [13:13] hi Kilos [13:14] hi georgl [13:14] hi psyatw [13:14] hi psyatw [13:14] hi psyatw [13:14] why is that the case according to you, georgl? [13:14] hi charl [13:14] Maaz, seen georgelappies [13:14] Kilos: georgelappies was last seen 2 months, 1 day, 18 hours, 32 minutes and 55 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-07-19 20:41:42 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-07-28 19:39:20 SAST [13:14] wow so long [13:15] charl, if there was a bug in the ibid package it would surely affect other installs on other pcs too? [13:16] yes [13:17] is charl the host owner? [13:18] * psyatw remembers certain SPARC and MIPS processors have have hardware acceleration for SSL, so there wouldn´t really be a difference in processing speed between http and https [13:18] my test was on a cloud server. [13:19] not sure what the backend is [13:19] psyatw: how many millennia ago did that make a difference? :P [13:19] charl, I´m wondering because of of what georgl said above :P [13:20] sorry got behind, reading [13:20] oh i see, no that probably has nothing to do with it [13:20] what is most likely the case is you first need to perform a tls transaction [13:21] and the latency takes time [13:21] yup [13:21] for me it makes no real difference [13:21] nope Squirm [13:22] apparently it does make a difference - between 0m0.023s and 0m0.039s here [13:23] that is a significant difference, it's almost twice as long [13:23] except i don't really feel the 0.02s difference [13:24] you okes are splitting hairs [13:30] hi roochy [13:31] welcome to ubuntu-za [13:31] thanks for that useless information [13:32] lol [13:32] :S [13:33] if you need ubuntu or linux help youve come to the right place [13:33] is that more helpfull ? [13:35] oh my goodness i started laughing here and now i can't stop [13:35] hehe [13:38] ok lemme try to regain myself and carry on working [13:38] roochy: No problem. Useless information is our forte. Please stand by for more of it. [13:39] hi Trixar_za hehe [13:39] sweet like a lemon [13:39] sharp like a minora [13:41] blunt like a razor [13:42] hows the kernel doing Trixar_za ? [13:47] Always comes up with the same error [13:48] eish [13:48] whow the new spring website is looking awesome [13:48] http://spring.io/ [14:07] oh my just noticed the package i gave to install to the debian host is the package for precise [14:08] maybe they os selective [14:08] hmm... [14:08] os specific [14:08] daai ding [15:08] ok time to wipe the laptop, bye now [15:09] actually bye for a while, until i get another laptop sometime :-) [15:09] or tab [15:09] kbye! [16:09] aw [17:56] Good evening [17:56] ! [17:57] hi magespawn [17:57] i see eames left sometime [17:58] i think my ibid prob is we installed a precise package into debian7 [17:58] Yup yup, that the alternate nick on the laptop [17:58] Oops [17:59] oh not the work nick? [17:59] i cant find one for debian [17:59] * Kilos cries [17:59] whahahah http://25.media.tumblr.com/df1b923978568eef4357ffd018756567/tumblr_msqke1i2001shiiezo1_1280.jpg [17:59] hi magespawn, Vince-0, Kilos [18:00] hi charl [18:01] what problem is this? [18:01] with the ibid [18:01] Hey charl Vince-0 [18:01] ya [18:01] are you still on about the google problem? [18:01] but everything works except for intermittent google burps [18:01] well duh! [18:01] intermittent? [18:02] thats a major problem [18:02] so most of the time it works well? [18:02] QA, google lost [18:02] Kilos: I'm not feeling too well [18:02] other times it works [18:02] sounds like something else to me [18:02] QA google trees [18:02] magespawn: "Tree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree :: "Trees" http://treesdallas.com/ :: "Trees at arborday.org - Arbor Day Foundation" http://www.arborday.org/trees/ :: "What Tree Is It? HOME - Ohio Public Library Information Network" http://www.oplin.org/tree/ :: "/r/trees - home of the ents - Reddit" http://www.reddit.com/r/trees/ :: "NC State University: Tree Information - Trees" http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/dep… [18:02] google is known to be really reliable [18:03] i don't think it has anything to do with debian [18:03] QA google big cars [18:03] magespawn: That didn't seem to agree with me [18:03] QA google big cars [18:03] magespawn: I'm not feeling too well [18:03] QA google cars [18:03] magespawn: That didn't go down very well. Burp. [18:03] Lol [18:03] what happens when you do all of that with curl on the same server [18:03] QA: google spring [18:03] charl: That didn't seem to agree with me [18:04] just repeatedly curl a bunch of stuff [18:04] lemme try [18:04] curl -e hey? [18:04] yeah [18:05] i gotta use links with that curl -e [18:06] thats no good [18:06] QA: google ubuntu [18:06] charl: "Ubuntu: The world's most popular free OS" http://www.ubuntu.com/ :: "Download Ubuntu Desktop | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop :: "Download Ubuntu | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download :: "Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) :: "Ubuntu (philosophy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy) :: "Ubunt… [18:06] QA: google ubuntu [18:06] charl: "Ubuntu: The world's most popular free OS" http://www.ubuntu.com/ :: "Download Ubuntu Desktop | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop :: "Download Ubuntu | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download :: "Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) :: "Ubuntu (philosophy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy) :: "Ubunt… [18:07] QA: google debian [18:07] charl: "Debian -- The Universal Operating System" http://www.debian.org/ :: "Debian -- Getting Debian" http://www.debian.org/distrib/ :: "Downloading Debian CD/DVD images via HTTP/FTP" http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ :: "Debian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian :: "DistroWatch.com: Debian GNU/Linux" http://distrowatch.com/debian :: "The Debian Project (debian) on Twitter" https://twitter.com/debian :: "Deb… [18:07] if one can curl -e trees ya [18:07] QA: google random nonsense [18:07] charl: That didn't go down very well. Burp. [18:07] QA: google railgun [18:07] charl: "Railgun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun :: "Rail Gun Naval Test Shot - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54aLcC3G74 :: "HowStuffWorks "How Rail Guns Work"" http://science.howstuffworks.com/rail-gun.htm :: "The Military's Super Shipwrecking Railgun Just Got Really Real" http://gizmodo.com/5889004/the-militarys-shipwrecking-railgun-just-got-really-real :: "Electromagnetic Railgun - Office of N… [18:07] QA: google free software [18:07] charl: "Front Page — Free Software Foundation — working together for free ..." http://www.fsf.org/ :: "Free software - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software :: "CNET Download.com: Free software downloads and software reviews" http://download.cnet.com/ :: "Completely FREE Software - Windows & DOS freeware" http://www.completelyfreesoftware.com/ :: "What is free software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foun… [18:08] QA: google movies [18:08] charl: That didn't seem to agree with me [18:08] i am seeing a pattern here - when the search term is too generic it refuses to work [18:08] QA: google quantum physics [18:08] charl: I'm not feeling too well [18:08] QA: google photons [18:08] charl: That didn't go down very well. Burp. [18:08] QA: google gravitons [18:08] charl: "Graviton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton :: "Graviton -- from Eric Weisstein's World of Physics - ScienceWorld" http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Graviton.html :: "Extra dimensions, gravitons, and tiny black holes | CERN" http://home.web.cern.ch/about/physics/extra-dimensions-gravitons-and-tiny-black-holes :: "Graviton" https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Graviton.html :: "… [18:09] hmmm i dunno [18:11] yeah frustrating [18:11] QA, coffee on [18:11] * QA washes some mugs [18:12] everything else works fine [18:12] inetpro, koffie [18:14] tumbleweed, point us in the right direction please [18:15] QA coffee please [18:15] magespawn: Alrighty [18:15] she is so cute i gotta fix her by hook or by crook [18:15] Coffee's ready for Kilos and magespawn! [18:16] QA, danke [18:16] Bitteschön [18:17] Is there a module of the ibid that controls how the google works? [18:17] google.py i think [18:17] i pasted it somewhere [18:18] Maybe there is a setting there to tweek [18:18] http://slexy.org/view/s21sa80laW [18:19] http://slexy.org/view/s21wvutsIf [18:19] im trying to find the one in history [18:20] maybe cause she dunno what country she is in [18:20] now behaves like an arab [18:30] Maybe [18:31] rofl [18:31] hehe [18:31] Just dozed of there for a sec, new job has me tired [18:32] shame [18:32] not used normal work hours [18:32] Quiet lekker actuall6 [18:32] good [18:33] And not used to getting the work piled on all at once [18:33] i thought it was working [18:33] Got to play with some nice wireless equipment today [18:34] It is, but almost zero fault tolerance [18:35] if its not broken dont fix it [18:36] get the manual stuff all done first [18:38] You mean asterisk or lpic? [18:38] you said you gotta do cabling [18:39] or fibre [18:39] i forget [18:39] Cabling [18:39] to all the buildings [18:39] ya while everything is working do that first [18:39] Sorting a wireless link to the gm house tomorrow [18:40] oh he no cable fan [18:40] There are going to be some building changes as well, so trying to keep everything running and okay till then [18:41] isnt wifi slow [18:41] 300mbps [18:41] Like I say some nice equipment [18:41] thats slower than good 3g [18:41] No good 3g [18:42] And this is stable [18:42] yeah for there but i mean wifi isnt that good [18:43] Brb [18:43] lol [18:44] Right [18:45] whats this [18:45] (Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish!) [18:45] hehe [18:45] a line from the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy [18:45] lol [18:46] did you look at the slexy links magespawn ? [18:47] On the other end of the wifi is a 4mbps uncapped adsl line [18:47] look for tweaks [18:47] Yes I did, did not understand it all [18:47] lol [18:47] ibid be serious python [18:48] Yes and most of that ie over my head at the moment [18:48] S/ie/is [18:49] thats part of why we wanted to study python [18:50] Yes indeed, but you have to learn to walk before you run [18:50] and the pro waylaid us [18:50] grrr [18:50] It is kind of the right way to do things [18:50] Besides we can discuss it anyway [18:50] dont take his part [18:51] meeting here monday night hey [18:51] Shame he needs some support now and then [18:52] hahaha [18:52] he is too cheeky most of the time [18:52] * Kilos waits for ai! [18:52] Yes and this Friday on #linux-studies [18:52] http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/09/testing-ubuntu-touch-final-month-before.html [18:52] need one of those supported devices [18:52] no one got past runlevels [18:54] oh btw in unity you adduser and kde useradd [18:56] when i upgraded to kde3 4.11 and had probs i battle to adduser but useradd worked [18:57] only couldnt get one added with sudo power [19:05] Do you not have to use sudo to add a user anyway? [19:06] ya sudo adduser nick sudo [19:06] the it complains about sudo [19:06] but worked without last sudo [19:08] bedtime for ballies [19:08] The last one does not make sense [19:08] night all sleep tight [19:09] Good night [19:09] thats supposed to tell it has admin power [19:09] hope QA haunts peeps [19:10] QA, night love [19:10] Sleep tight Kilos See you tomorrow [20:10] Good night all [20:12] hmm... [20:12] good evening everyone [20:12] hi inetpro [20:12] charl: how are you this evening? [20:12] i'm great thanks, yourself? [20:12] hot in Pretoria [20:13] extremely rainy in the netherlands [20:13] we have been raining out for about a month now [20:13] this day just went way to quickly again [20:13] storming in cape town [20:13] this whole week has flown by