| ali1234 | hmmm!!!!!! | 00:16 |
|---|---|---|
| ali1234 | init: job logrotate failed to stop | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | that is the only one | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | it's all starting to fit together | 00:17 |
| ali1234 | so... let's see what happens if i wait a minute before logging out | 00:17 |
| ali1234 | yeah... the delay is only 5 seconds if that logrotate is not running | 00:19 |
| ali1234 | aaaaaaand... fixed | 00:50 |
| ali1234 | urgh... this code doesn't even actually work | 00:58 |
| bluesabre | so... not fixed? | 01:19 |
| ali1234 | well the delay is fixed | 01:26 |
| ali1234 | no idea what side effects it would have though | 01:26 |
| ali1234 | the quiesce code is really silly... it prints a list of "slow" jobs... but it doesn't do it after most of the jobs have stopped | 01:30 |
| ali1234 | it has a routine that tries to figure out how long to wait, but it returns 5 seconds by default even if there are no jobs to wait for - that's half the problem | 01:32 |
| bluesabre | its pretty awesome that you've been able to crack down on this so much | 01:36 |
| Unit193 | Which? The lag or the indicators? :P | 01:38 |
| bluesabre | well, pretty much everything he's been working on :D | 01:39 |
| ali1234 | :O | 02:05 |
| ali1234 | ok the reason it always waits at least 5 seconds? | 02:06 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't even send the shutdown request until the end of the wait period | 02:06 |
| ali1234 | that's why there's a different result depending if you log out or shut down | 02:07 |
| ali1234 | i think the logout bug is invalid, sorry | 02:51 |
| ali1234 | the 5 second delay exists to catch any jobs that start after upstart told all jobs to stop | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | it only happens on logout because in all other situations everything is going to get killed anyway | 02:52 |
| drc | so it's a feature not a bug...it does exactly what it's supposed to, just not what some people want? | 02:53 |
| ali1234 | pretty much yes. that's what it looks like anyway | 02:53 |
| ali1234 | i suspect ochosi found it particularly annoying cos he is logging in/out in under a minute repeatedly to test things | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | in that case, the logrotate job will cause an extra 5 second delay - but only if you log out less than 1 minute after you logged in | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | which, let's face it, is not usual user behaviour | 02:55 |
| * drc tries to remember the last time ochosi was described as normal.... | 02:56 | |
| ali1234 | perhaps the logrotate script can be fixed to that the sleep it does can be interrupted | 02:57 |
| drc | and with that thought, off to bed | 02:57 |
| skellat | ali1234: How much of a regression do you think will be caused with our proposed simple fix? Shall I add a comment to the bug that this may be something we end up addressing in Release Notes as a "Known Issue"? Beta 2 Freeze is tomorrow FWIW. | 03:01 |
| ali1234 | what fix is that? | 03:01 |
| skellat | LP Bug 1227212 where somebody was talking about commenting a line out | 03:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1227212 in upstart "Session logout takes too long" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227212 | 03:02 |
| skellat | Though my memory may be faulty | 03:02 |
| ali1234 | ah that... well, that means xubuntu does not use upstart to manage the session at all | 03:03 |
| ali1234 | the thing is though, the 5 second delay is obviously there for a reason | 03:03 |
| skellat | Probably to let something gracefully quit | 03:03 |
| ali1234 | no | 03:03 |
| ali1234 | it's to prevent new processes starting after everything is told to quit | 03:04 |
| ali1234 | at least that's what it looks like | 03:04 |
| skellat | Okay | 03:04 |
| ali1234 | but the bottom line is either they delay is needed, in which case it's better to have it, or it's not needed and it should just be removed from upstart | 03:04 |
| skellat | That makes sense | 03:04 |
| skellat | Have we had input from Steve Langasek yet? | 03:05 |
| ali1234 | no | 03:05 |
| skellat | I had a root canal & major filling done today so it has been a Weird Wednesday for me | 03:05 |
| skellat | What time zone are you in? | 03:06 |
| skellat | As I know Steve Langasek is on the Pacific seaboard of the US so he may or may not still be up | 03:06 |
| ali1234 | er... BST? | 03:06 |
| ali1234 | it's 4am here | 03:07 |
| skellat | Ah | 03:07 |
| skellat | No worries | 03:07 |
| ali1234 | anyway, the exact cause is pinpointed in my last comment | 03:07 |
| skellat | I'm stuck in the middle in Ohio | 03:07 |
| ali1234 | any upstart dev should be able to confirm that the delay is really there for the reason i speculated | 03:07 |
| skellat | Okay | 03:08 |
| skellat | Well, we'll wait & see what he has to say then. | 03:09 |
| skellat | If we don't hear anything we may have to roll such into a Release Notes "Known Issue" for Beta 2. | 03:10 |
| ali1234 | it's not even an issue | 03:10 |
| ali1234 | it's only 5 seconds | 03:10 |
| ali1234 | i think it's expected behaviour really | 03:10 |
| skellat | :-) | 03:11 |
| skellat | We'll let it marinate then and see what comes of it | 03:12 |
| ali1234 | anyway, not using upstart means using something totally different with a whole other set of problems, so i wouldn't recommend that at all | 03:13 |
| skellat | Yeah, I've been watching the conflagration on the Debian side over systemd. It hasn't been pretty | 03:14 |
| ali1234 | bug 1190526 | 03:18 |
| ubottu | bug 1190526 in upstart (Ubuntu) "init crashed with SIGABRT in nih_discard()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1190526 | 03:18 |
| ali1234 | hmm so the whole quiesce stuff was added in a big lump by james hunt in february and nobody else has ever touched it, so you might have to ask him what it's supposed to do | 03:19 |
| * Unit193 hopes they don't go systemd. | 03:23 | |
| skellat | Unit193: That would be calling down death from above on our position | 03:26 |
| skellat | ali1234: I suppose so | 03:26 |
| skellat | EXCELLENT. Steve Langasek just chimed in on the bug. | 03:27 |
| skellat | Importance shifted to High, Status is Triaged, and now assigned to James Hunt for resolution | 03:27 |
| ali1234 | fair enough | 03:28 |
| skellat | Steve Langasek called it as the expected shutdown procedure is *not* happening in what you've described | 03:28 |
| ali1234 | it still looks like it is by design, but the design is wrong :P | 03:29 |
| ali1234 | but who knows | 03:29 |
| skellat | The biggest example of the design itself being wrong in the US in cards was the Ford Pinto. Smack the gas tank of that thing in a collision & the car exploded into flames. Otherwise it was a drivable car. | 03:30 |
| skellat | s/cards/cars/ | 03:30 |
| * skellat wanders off | 03:35 | |
| astraljava | Is there anything about the Xubuntu brand that I can see from a terminal? | 05:48 |
| * astraljava has forgotten loads of that sorta stuff. | 05:48 | |
| astraljava | I know about lsb_release, but that only mentions the distribution, not about the flavor. | 05:49 |
| knome | astraljava, don't think so | 05:59 |
| knome | astraljava, is xubuntu-* installed? | 06:03 |
| Unit193 | echo $DESKTOP_SESSION ? :P | 06:10 |
| Unit193 | GDMSESSION too. | 06:11 |
| Unit193 | XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP for XFCE | 06:11 |
| Unit193 | knome: Oh, we ignoring OEM until T? | 06:21 |
| knome | Unit193, yeah, it doesn't work | 06:25 |
| ochosi | ali1234: congrats, you managed to wake the dogs with your debugging, looks like this is actually going to get fixed! | 06:32 |
| * knome knocks the wood | 06:33 | |
| Unit193 | or at least looked at. | 06:33 |
| knome | ow, that hit my head! | 06:33 |
| knome | ;) | 06:33 |
| knome | -documentation lacks upload, then it's ready | 06:34 |
| knome | -marketing can lag, no release-based | 06:34 |
| knome | -qa is ready | 06:34 |
| knome | -community can lag, no release-based | 06:34 |
| knome | -artwork needs wallpaper and upload, then ready | 06:34 |
| knome | -development needs uploads, then ready | 06:34 |
| knome | ^ status | 06:34 |
| knome | looks like we have made it again | 06:36 |
| knome | and only a handful of postponed items | 06:36 |
| Unit193 | Sadly, several things getting postponed, yep. | 06:36 |
| astraljava | knome: I should think so, I installed from a daily a few days ago. | 06:36 |
| forestpiskie | ochosi: thanks :) | 06:36 |
| astraljava | knome: And what are you doing up at this hour anyway?! | 06:37 |
| knome | astraljava, ircing. | 06:37 |
| knome | and fixing kitchen table/chairs | 06:37 |
| knome | and stuff.. | 06:37 |
| knome | ;) | 06:37 |
| knome | hangin' in the office | 06:37 |
| Unit193 | astraljava: See above? Also, head your /etc/apt/sources.list | 06:37 |
| knome | Unit193, the good things is that we have a lot of nice things almost prepared for 14.04 | 06:37 |
| Unit193 | Yep. | 06:38 |
| knome | Unit193, gtk3 indicators back, menulibre, mugshot, ... | 06:38 |
| Unit193 | 4.12? ;) | 06:38 |
| Unit193 | knome: Think he was happy with backports, no? | 06:38 |
| knome | maybe, but not likely | 06:38 |
| astraljava | Unit193: Okay, one moment, thanks! | 06:40 |
| astraljava | Unit193: Ok, thanks again! | 06:43 |
| elfy | hi astraljava | 06:43 |
| Unit193 | Of course, and howdy! | 06:43 |
| elfy | knome: qa would have bee ready ages ago if I'd stopped adding things to it :p | 06:57 |
| elfy | s/bee/been | 06:57 |
| knome | ;) | 06:57 |
| astraljava | Hi elfy! | 06:57 |
| elfy | shan't make that mistake again - will just use scraps of paper on my desk ... | 06:58 |
| elfy | astraljava: how's things going - good I trsut | 06:58 |
| knome | elfy, haha, np | 06:58 |
| elfy | :) | 06:58 |
| Noskcaj | The new tumbler version is now in saucy. | 07:53 |
| astraljava | elfy: Pretty well, thanks. Busy, but good. And how's life with you? | 07:55 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: cool! | 08:09 |
| knome | yay, our new documentation is in saucy. jjfrv8, thanks! :) | 09:15 |
| Noskcaj | knome, Is there any chance i could get added to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team so time? | 09:25 |
| knome | "so" ? | 09:25 |
| * Noskcaj has ran out of things to do while hist pbuilder creates | 09:25 | |
| knome | you're getting there. :) | 09:26 |
| Noskcaj | *some | 09:26 |
| knome | yep, don't worry about that | 09:27 |
| Noskcaj | yay, eventual success ;) | 09:27 |
| knome | looks like you're still finding your place in the community in general, which is fine | 09:28 |
| knome | btw, thanks with all the work on packages | 09:28 |
| knome | it looks to me that sponsored uploads are going to be handled if they are prepared well | 09:34 |
| lderan | woo for eventual success | 10:22 |
| knome | bluesabre, ping me when you get back. | 10:25 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: what a bummer, I should have checked the control file of xubuntu-default-settings more precisely, it states that "lightdm-gtk-greeter (>= 1.0.0-0ubuntu2)" is required, so adding "Provides: lightdm-gtk-greeter,.." to lightdm-gtk-greeter-gtk2 won't change anything, because of the version requirement | 11:13 |
| brainwash | a limitation of "Provides" | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | brainwash, ah, bummer | 11:49 |
| knome | oi bluesabre | 11:49 |
| knome | bluesabre, apparently, the uploads by daniel have been related to *having a patch in the bug*, so maybe you'd like to do that for the shimmer-themes package as well | 11:50 |
| bluesabre | ah | 11:52 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: need some bugs :D | 11:52 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: do you think, that adding the gtk2 greeter package to the dependency list of xubuntu-default-settings might be an option to consider? so if one the gtk greeter packages is installed on the system, xubuntu-default-settings won't complain | 12:00 |
| brainwash | but maybe I'm the only one who still want to use the gtk2 greeter :) | 12:01 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: well, the gtk2 greeter is only available in that PPA, so I might be able to ship a daily xubuntu-default-settings in that PPA as well with a patch that removes the version check | 12:03 |
| knome | bbl | 12:03 |
| bluesabre | seeya knome | 12:03 |
| knome | bluesabre, btw, remember you scheduled a meeting @ 15UTC today ;)= | 12:04 |
| bluesabre | knome, I gave you an action item to reschedule or cancel said meeting ;) | 12:04 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: yes, good idea :) | 12:04 |
| knome | bluesabre, no, that's fine... if people show up, feel free to have the meeting | 12:05 |
| bluesabre | k, if I'm around :) | 12:05 |
| knome | btw, it looks like the beta freeze is postponed until monday, but other freezes (doc/ui) stand today | 12:05 |
| bluesabre | lame | 12:05 |
| knome | heh | 12:05 |
| knome | well, that does make sense (documentation team needs to know the UI is stable, has nothing to do with beta) | 12:06 |
| knome | (the non-existent documentation team, i know i know!) | 12:06 |
| knome | (for ubuntu, that is) | 12:06 |
| knome | ok, i'm off bugging you | 12:06 |
| knome | see you later! | 12:06 |
| knome | -> | 12:06 |
| bluesabre | yeah, just gotta hope mr_pouit or micahg appears | 12:06 |
| elfy | and the non-existent freezing things so that docs are out of date ... for ubuntu | 12:07 |
| elfy | cya knome | 12:07 |
| bluesabre | hard to keep docs up-to-date when we are in between having indicators and not | 12:07 |
| elfy | indeed | 12:08 |
| elfy | but I wasn't talking about us :) | 12:08 |
| bluesabre | true | 12:08 |
| bluesabre | I expect at least one more api change following beta2 freeze | 12:08 |
| elfy | there's at least 4 weeks left for sabdfl to decide something just has to be released and start the argument up again :) | 12:09 |
| bluesabre | nah, I think he's content with what's being delivered this release | 12:10 |
| elfy | :) | 12:10 |
| bluesabre | the big changes come with 14.04 and unity8 | 12:10 |
| elfy | I sort of take notice of that stuff - but tend to forget it all really quickly | 12:10 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: you could get in touch with someone to upload the themes-package... | 12:10 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: not quite sure who to ping, and I'm away from my laptop so I can't do anything if there's any additional work to do | 12:11 |
| elfy | final beta is next week isn't it? | 12:20 |
| bluesabre | ? | 12:21 |
| bluesabre | yeah, beta2 is next week | 12:21 |
| bluesabre | freeze is monday | 12:21 |
| bluesabre | beta2 release is thursday (I believe) | 12:21 |
| bluesabre | UIF is today | 12:21 |
| elfy | just making sure before I make one last call for testing this cycle | 12:21 |
| brainwash | ochosi: not sure anymore, but you mentioned that the restart menu entry gone missing after first logout is a known issue. does a bug report already exist? | 13:13 |
| brainwash | ^ lightdm gtk greeter | 13:14 |
| ochosi | brainwash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1226509 | 13:14 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1226509 in Light Display Manager "lightdm_get_can_restart returns false in Ubuntu Saucy" [Undecided,New] | 13:14 |
| brainwash | ochosi: thanks | 13:15 |
| ochosi | np | 13:16 |
| brainwash | but it works before login | 13:17 |
| brainwash | directly after boot up | 13:17 |
| ochosi | yeah, it's most likely not a greeter bug | 13:17 |
| ochosi | cause the greeter adds those menuitems conditionally | 13:17 |
| ochosi | depending on whether lightdm says that the system can_restart, can_hibernate, can_shutdown etc | 13:18 |
| ochosi | and the restart-item always used to be there, not sure what's happening with it now | 13:18 |
| ochosi | it needs some debugging, but that's no fun without a working --test-mode | 13:18 |
| brainwash | looks like a job for ali1234 and his awesome debugging skills :) | 13:19 |
| brainwash | way too much stuff involving lightdm did break | 13:20 |
| bluesabre | between lightdm updates and logind, we've been busy | 13:22 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, --test-mode didn't work with the power options anyway :) | 13:24 |
| ochosi | yeah, i think mir just really put the focus away from the desktop stuff | 13:25 |
| bluesabre | once its done, it will be better. The converged unity8 will mean that those involved will be working on just one project instead of maintaining two | 13:28 |
| bluesabre | its just going to take a bit to get there | 13:28 |
| bluesabre | and I think Mir is showing good promise | 13:29 |
| bluesabre | I do wonder, what happens to X forwarding when Mir/Wayland are complete? | 13:29 |
| ochosi | iirc wayland has a solution for that | 13:30 |
| ochosi | that came up at one of the talks where i heard christan skagsgard | 13:30 |
| ochosi | eh, or what was his last name again? :) | 13:31 |
| ochosi | kristian hogsberg i guess | 13:31 |
| ochosi | høgsberg i to be exact | 13:31 |
| bluesabre | I know wayland has an html5 backend, dunno about the others | 13:33 |
| GridCube | gkt3 has an html5 backend called broadway, i dont know how that contributes to the discussion but its something i happen to know | 13:35 |
| GridCube | P: | 13:35 |
| ochosi | harhar | 13:35 |
| ochosi | nicely played | 13:35 |
| bluesabre | yay! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1227402 | 14:11 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1227402 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Please update shimmer-themes to 1.6.2" [Undecided,Fix released] | 14:11 |
| elfy | bluesabre: got the update themes - panel now looks better - but the sound indicator icon appears to have done a runner | 15:05 |
| bluesabre | elfy, thats odd, didn't push an update to the icon theme | 15:06 |
| bluesabre | ochosi ^ | 15:06 |
| elfy | bbl | 15:07 |
| ochosi | elfy: could you say that in more words? | 15:07 |
| ochosi | ok, obviously not :} | 15:07 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: icon is missing | 15:07 |
| bluesabre | I think is the extended translation | 15:07 |
| bluesabre | :D | 15:07 |
| ochosi | yeah, it seems to be a race condition | 15:08 |
| ochosi | it sometimes is there, sometimes isn't | 15:08 |
| ochosi | after a "xfce4-panel --restart" it always is there | 15:08 |
| ochosi | elfy: ^ | 15:08 |
| elfy | ochosi: yep - that got it back - hadn't quite managed to wander off yet :) | 15:10 |
| ochosi | good to get that confirmed | 15:10 |
| ochosi | it's the only issue i get with the gtk3 indicators at the moment | 15:10 |
| elfy | not as good as it to see the only one of those indicators I actually ever use working again :p | 15:11 |
| elfy | ochosi bluesabre - one last thing before I do go for a while - with greybird the panel is black - same with all the supplied themes - except orion and raleigh - is that expected behaviour at the moment? | 15:15 |
| ochosi | yeah, those are bright themes | 15:16 |
| ochosi | which is why i added a new meta-icon-theme for them (elementary-xfce-darkest) | 15:16 |
| elfy | is not greybird bright? | 15:16 |
| ochosi | it's mixed | 15:16 |
| ochosi | dark panel, the rest bright | 15:16 |
| ochosi | e.g. ubuntu's radiance is also a bright theme | 15:17 |
| ochosi | bright panel, bright rest | 15:17 |
| elfy | ok - thanks - I understand | 15:17 |
| ochosi | np | 15:18 |
| ali1234 | i only get the missing sound icon on the first start up after a reboot so it might be some race condition in the indicator startup | 15:24 |
| ochosi | same here | 15:26 |
| brainwash | ochosi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1227735 | 15:26 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1227735 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "disable/fix password input field context menu" [Undecided,New] | 15:26 |
| ochosi | brainwash: yeah, got notified via email already ;) | 15:27 |
| ochosi | but thanks for the reminder | 15:27 |
| brainwash | :P | 15:27 |
| ali1234 | when i log out the greeter says "unlock" - anyone else seen that? | 15:28 |
| ochosi | ali1234: that should've been fixed with a very recent greeter update | 15:29 |
| ochosi | bbl | 15:33 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: yep, fixed now | 15:39 |
| slickymaster | elfy ochosi: regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1227402. I've updated shimmer-themes and restarted xfce4-panel and even though the audio icon is the panel, as I can hoover it, it's not visible | 15:39 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1227402 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Please update shimmer-themes to 1.6.2" [Undecided,Fix released] | 15:39 |
| slickymaster | is in | 15:39 |
| elfy | slickymaster: try xfce4-panel --restart | 15:40 |
| elfy | had the same thing | 15:41 |
| slickymaster | elfy: already done that to no avail | 15:41 |
| elfy | no idea then atm - not really here - sorry | 15:41 |
| slickymaster | it is there, but it's completely black. it's just a black square | 15:41 |
| slickymaster | elfy: np | 15:42 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: No, wayland has a RDP backend. | 17:12 |
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| Unit193 | bluesabre: Dangit, I meant you... Wayland has a RDP backend. | 18:24 |
| bluesabre | ah | 18:28 |
| Unit193 | knome: You ever get a chance to take a peak at the -core meta mockup? | 21:05 |
| ochosi | Unit193: where would that be at? | 21:06 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Some pastebin a while back. :P | 21:06 |
| knome | Unit193, i did, but i've lost the url | 21:06 |
| Unit193 | Ah, alright. | 21:07 |
| knome | as i said then, it looked like a sensible base | 21:08 |
| ochosi | it shouldn | 21:09 |
| ochosi | 't be too hard to create a sensible base at least | 21:09 |
| Unit193 | Bleh, means I have to hold onto the file a little longer. :P | 21:09 |
| ochosi | well, we should really have a team meeting about that | 21:09 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Thinking at final beta might not be a good time, maybe brainstorm time? | 21:10 |
| ochosi | yeah | 21:10 |
| Unit193 | Hrm, new XPL then, though, right? | 21:10 |
| ochosi | but the -core meta thingy, would you want that as a package? | 21:10 |
| ochosi | who knows | 21:11 |
| Unit193 | Just tossed in with the seed, and boom it is. | 21:11 |
| knome | Unit193, i'm still serving the 14.04 cycle ;) | 21:12 |
| knome | at least... | 21:12 |
| Unit193 | Ah, good. | 21:12 |
| ochosi | +1 | 21:13 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: are you using the gtk3 indicators? | 21:23 |
| slickymaster | ochosi, yes | 21:24 |
| slickymaster | ochosi, I guessing you're asking because of the audio icon, right? | 21:25 |
| ochosi | yeah, just wanted to check | 21:25 |
| ochosi | it's kinda known, the indicator-sound icon | 21:26 |
| * ochosi still hopes ali1234 will be able to debug it... | 21:27 | |
| slickymaster | ochosi, thing is, it's there. when i hoover my mouse pointer over it, I get the pop-up label indicating it and if I click it opens | 21:28 |
| ochosi | yeah | 21:28 |
| ochosi | it's just the icon that is not displayed | 21:29 |
| slickymaster | ochosi, let's hope it's solved before the end of this cycle | 21:30 |
| ochosi | well it's far from sure that it's going to get into 13.10 | 21:32 |
| slickymaster | ochosi, yeah, so it seems, but never loosing our hope ;) | 21:34 |
| ochosi | indeed | 21:34 |
| Unit193 | If not, then maybe backports. | 21:34 |
| ochosi | nice to see more people are testing this | 21:35 |
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| ali1234 | i can't reproduce it reliably | 23:59 |
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