[00:10] <skreech__> Riddell: Saw Contribook?
[03:05] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Should go in $HOMEDIR/pbuilder.
[03:37] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I updated the saucy tarball in my $HOMEDIR, so you can copy it again and you won't have to worry about updating it.
[04:22]  * ScottK beats on pykde4.
[04:25] <skellat> LP Bug #1227585 got filed against Xubuntu originally but it looks like it is actually something Kubuntu-related
[04:47] <ScottK> skellat: NFS issues like that are almost never flavor specific.  It's possibly kernel, plymouth, or nfs that's the problem.
[05:00]  * ScottK heaves pykd4 at the archive and sleeps.
[05:00] <ScottK> Riddell: pykde4 may be fixed.  Check in an hour or so.
[05:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Not fixed.  Search for sipkdeuipart3.cpp:22329:63 in the latest build log for a quick pointer at the trouble.
[05:22]  * ScottK really sleeps now.
[06:43] <Riddell> /build/buildd/pykde4-4.11.1+git20130916/builddir-2.7/sip/kdeui/sipkdeuipart3.cpp:22329:63: error: no matching function for call to 'QList<float>::QList(QList<double>)' sipRes = new QList<qreal>(sipCpp->minorTickMarks());
[06:43] <Riddell> yeah same issue
[06:44] <Riddell> guess I need to work out how to add back QList<double>
[06:56] <Riddell> um, the QList<double> code is from a patch we added anyway from NCommander
[07:00] <Riddell> thrown pyqt and pykde into ~kubuntu-active ppa to test there
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:03] <Riddell> hi lordievader 
[07:04] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you?
[07:04] <Riddell> I'm awesome thanks :)
[07:04] <Riddell> lordievader: one obvious problem on http://griffioen.no-ip.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs.html the Kubuntu wiki logo is back but it's not a wiki :)
[07:06] <lordievader> Ah, true. So that image should be changed to saying "Kubuntu docs" or something?
[07:07] <Riddell> yeah or just Kubuntu, whatever we can easily do
[07:07] <Riddell> lordievader: lots of changes I see, can you take me through them? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-docs-downloader.diff
[07:09] <lordievader> Riddell: Sure, where do you want to begin?
[07:09] <Riddell> lordievader: was going to ask what process() function was for but I see that's just moved code?
[07:10] <lordievader> Yes exactly, I moved that bit into a function so nested includes would work. (I mean an include within an include didn't work at first).
[07:10] <Riddell> lordievader: gosh did we have those?
[07:11] <lordievader> We do yes ;)
[07:12] <lordievader> The code probably is all over the place, should still make it easier to read.... -.-
[07:14] <Riddell> even code to add in Bold text, whyever is creole not doing that anyway
[07:14] <Riddell> lordievader: looks good I'll merge it in
[07:15] <Riddell> lordievader: is there a better location we can have this code so you can just edit it directly? 
[07:15] <lordievader> Thought that strange too, the bold text thingie.
[07:15] <Riddell> we need to get you into a useful launchpad group so we can share code :)
[07:16] <lordievader> Whoo, that would be sweet :D
[07:18] <Riddell> lordievader: I don't suppose you fancy tacking the putting it on a local system issue now?
[07:19] <Riddell> needs going through the old kubuntu-docs package to work out just what khelpcentre expects things to be layed out as
[07:19] <Riddell> once it's working in khelpcentre locally it'll be easy for anyone to package up
[07:22] <lordievader> I'm sorry I don't fully understand what you mean. You want to get these docs onto the iso's? Is that it?
[07:27] <Riddell> lordievader: yes that's right
[07:27] <Riddell> so they can be read in khelpcentre
[07:27] <lordievader> Ah. That is pretty cool. Does khelpcenter 'read' html?
[07:27] <Riddell> and first step to that is looking at the old kubuntu-docs package to work out what files need to go where
[07:27] <Riddell> yes it can
[07:27] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kubuntu-docs_12.10.1_all.deb
[07:28] <lordievader> Whoo, fancy. Right, well I can try and mess with it.
[07:29] <Riddell> so desktop files in /usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu/ and some other files in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/
[07:31] <lordievader> How can I test wether the docs are showing up correctly in the khelpcenter?
[07:31] <Riddell> lordievader: open khelpcentre and look :)
[07:32] <lordievader> Okay, thanks :)
[08:04] <soee> good morning
[08:06] <lordievader> Hey soee 
[08:21] <jdrab> hi guys according to http://html5test.com rekonq(2.3.2 on 13.04) has support for forms > keygen but this does not work http://www.wufoo.com/html5/elements/4-keygen.html  
[08:21] <jdrab> on the other hand firefox 24 does not support this element but it works on that wuffoo page :D
[09:59] <lordievader> Riddell: How is the css support in the khelpcenter?
[10:02] <Riddell> lordievader: um not sure, it's just khtml so it should be just the same as any web browser
[10:03] <lordievader> Riddell: RIght ok, I got a basic (read without css) working.
[10:09] <davmor2> Riddell: Man that jumper still looks good if that is a recent photo
[10:30] <Riddell> davmor2: photo from last night, that thing is precious, I don't let the moths at it!
[10:30] <Riddell> lordievader: is it at a css path it can find?
[10:30] <Riddell> lordievader: the old kubuntu-docs package must have used css no?
[10:31] <davmor2> Riddell: :D  Sue keeps meaning to do an updated one but just doesn't have much time :)
[10:34] <Riddell> davmor2: jings she's done more than enough, it's still a quality jumper and I don't think the new logo would even come out well in knitting
[10:34] <davmor2> Riddell: haha, that won't stop her you know how crazy she is for knitting challenges :D
[10:39] <lordievader> Riddell: I believe it can find it, but I don't really know what is going on. When I access the files through a webbrowser it shows up correctly.
[10:49] <lordievader> Riddell: It currently looks like this: http://griffioen.no-ip.org/kubuntu-docs.png
[10:50] <lordievader> Could it be that khelpcenter strips the css of a few tags (like the background)?
[10:57] <yossarianuk> how come the iso for 13.04 has never been updated? Its shipping we a buggy kernel .19 - that only boots up 50% of the time  and 'out the box' the desktop is broken with dual screens...
[10:57] <yossarianuk> i.e
[10:57] <yossarianuk>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1174689
[10:57] <yossarianuk> you have to upgrade 'before' entering KDE otherwise you do not have a usable desktop
[10:57] <yossarianuk> i.e no task bar
[10:57] <yossarianuk> ,etc
[10:57] <yossarianuk> no kmenu
[10:58] <yossarianuk>  kubuntu is great once you update it...
[10:58] <yossarianuk> however newbies will just think that 'Linux sucks'
[10:59] <yossarianuk> surely with such a severe bug the iso should be updated?
[11:01] <shadeslayer> yossarianuk: I don't think ISO's are ever updated
[11:01] <shadeslayer> after being released
[11:21] <yossarianuk> shadeslayer: perhaps wize to potentially change that policy...
[11:22] <shadeslayer> not really
[11:43] <yossarianuk> ok at the minute I have just lost 2 people who wanted to try out linux for the first time.
[11:44] <yossarianuk> they thought the desktop was not meant to have a menu or be usable.
[11:44] <yossarianuk> i.e they are re-installing windows 8
[11:44] <yossarianuk> which is terrible
[11:44] <yossarianuk> had the desktop worked they would have been happy using it...
[11:45] <yossarianuk> but by default the desktop is broken with dual monitors.
[11:49] <Tm_T> yossarianuk: broken?
[11:49] <lordievader> yossarianuk: If updating worked for you, did you suggest that to them?
[11:49] <Tm_T> Nvidia, ahhh
[11:50] <yossarianuk> its find after updating = hence my query about updating the iso
[11:50] <yossarianuk> yes i did -  but they now think Linux is buggy and have given up using the desktop....
[11:50] <Riddell> yossarianuk: we only update the LTS images, it's a large operation.  but you can install updates during installation
[11:51] <yossarianuk> To be hinest if it had been my 1st experience I would have 2...
[11:51] <yossarianuk> fair enough.
[11:51] <Riddell> sorry to hear of the bad experience
[11:51] <yossarianuk> the kernel should also have been updated the .19 one fails to boot about 50% of the time
[11:52] <yossarianuk> (on nvidia + intel h./w)
[11:53] <yossarianuk> its annoying as its fine after updating .... Which is why updating the .iso could have been a good idea. (but yes it i imagine it would be a lot of work..)#
[11:53] <yossarianuk> I have alsio suggested trying again when 13.10 is out.
[11:57] <yossarianuk> p.s - i'm not just trolling - I use kubuntu at home + work .... I just want Linux desktop to succeed.
[11:57] <yossarianuk> Thank you all for your efforts ...
[11:59] <yossarianuk> One thing I wish Kubuntu would do seeing as the Xorg/Mir split will be happening is to always have the latest version of the Nvidia driver in the normal repos.
[11:59] <yossarianuk> even the 319-updates, etc is not the latest version...
[12:00] <yossarianuk> it makes no sense to ship a Nvidia driver with known bugs in (and that doesn;t support  latest h/w) in the name of 'stability'.
[12:05] <debfx> actually 319 is the latest stable driver from nvidia
[12:47] <shadeslayer> what debfx said
[12:58] <Riddell> hey I worked out how to make a pandaboard accessible to the outside world!
[12:58] <Riddell> who wants a try?
[13:01] <yossarianuk> 319 - is  the latest - however its not in 13.04 by default...
[13:01] <yossarianuk> als the 319 package is not the latest 319 version...
[13:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can do
[13:02] <shadeslayer> which reminds me, I need to check my qtwebkit build
[13:23] <Riddell> ScottK: what sort of storage do you have on your arm box?
[13:23] <shadeslayer> I think he had a usb stick
[13:26] <Riddell> yeah it's not huge, only 8G
[13:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what are you doing with qt webkit?
[13:28] <shadeslayer> fixing it
[13:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how?
[13:28] <shadeslayer> 2.3.2 is failing on armhf
[13:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: added DEFINES+=WTF_USE_3D_GRAPHICS=0
[13:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah, where are you building it and how did you work out that fix?
[13:29] <shadeslayer> building it on Scott's ARM boxes
[13:30] <shadeslayer> and got that tip from carewolf in #qtwebkit
[13:30] <shadeslayer> going to take ages
[13:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah I see ScottK's arm has a 15G drive on /var/cache/pbuilder too
[13:32] <shadeslayer> Project ERROR: Failed to run perl /tmp/buildd/qtwebkit-source-2.3.2/Tools/qmake/syncqt-4.8 -outdir /tmp/buildd/qtwebkit-source-2.3.2/WebKitBuild/Release -separate-module QtWebKit:/tmp/buildd/qtwebkit-source-2.3.2/Source:WebKit/qt/Api                              
[13:32] <shadeslayer> :(
[13:33] <Riddell> um, that seems unrelated to anything
[13:33] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:33] <shadeslayer> I think I'll clean it
[13:33] <shadeslayer> and run it again
[13:33] <Riddell> phew, pyqt is slow on this qemu launchpad builder https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+build/5035117
[13:35] <smartboyhw> ?
[13:36] <Riddell> ??
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:04] <apol> JontheEchidna: ping
[15:58] <shadeslayer> tsdegos bought us all Dragon Ball Z cans
[15:58] <shadeslayer> with strawberry liquid in then
[15:58] <shadeslayer> *them
[16:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: whatever is Dragon Ball Z ?
[16:58] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:58] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:58] <lordievader> O.O
[16:58] <shadeslayer> oh yeah
[16:58] <shadeslayer> I forget
[16:59] <shadeslayer> you're old
[16:59] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:59] <lordievader> Hehe
[17:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Z
[17:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: tsdegos is as old as you and *he* knows about DBZ
[17:01] <Riddell> ah, cartoons, is bugs bunny in it? I like bugs bunny
[17:01] <shadeslayer> it's equivalent to asking "What's Doctor Who"
[17:02] <shadeslayer> hah no
[17:07] <lordievader> Nice comeback though.
[17:16] <shadeslayer> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/a-look-back-at-every-ubuntu-default-wallpaper
[17:16] <shadeslayer> is it just me, or are the last 3 default wallpapers look exactly the same
[17:18] <Riddell> not just you
[20:22] <Riddell> gosh nasty comment on http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/20/winter-coming#comments
[20:24] <Riddell> and there I was thinking the advantage of a blogs.kde.org blog was it's too much hassle for the trolls to comment
[20:25] <Riddell> hah someone deleted it