[00:04] <skreech__> dougiel: use an empty password
[00:11] <dougiel> skreech__, thanks - that will work?
[00:14] <skreech__> yes it should
[00:21] <dougiel> TY skreech__ 
[00:23] <skreech__> Sure
[00:24] <dougiel> :)
[01:14] <SporkWitch> skreech__: that makes me cry.  better would be to simply click the "always" when it asks, and then it only asks once per login
[01:15] <skreech__> SporkWitch: It does that too
[01:18] <SporkWitch> looks like the only REALLY bad move is turning the wallet off entirely, since then you've got plaintext passwords floating around your system
[01:19] <SporkWitch> at least it still encrypts them even if you don't use a password
[01:19] <skreech__> yes 
[01:20] <SporkWitch> skreech__: so, know anything about zsh themes?
[01:26] <skreech__> No I'm not the zsh guy :)
[01:28] <skreech__> SporkWitch: Robertknight is the konsole maintainer if you want to contact him
[01:28] <SporkWitch> bit high up the chain to bug with a rookie question lol
[01:29] <skreech__> SporkWitch: Welcome to FOSS Its' a pretty small chain
[01:29] <SporkWitch> i'm sure it's something silly, but zsh themes aren't in any language i'm familiar with, and there's craploads of substitutions and the like, so it's difficult to work with at first, heh
[01:29] <SporkWitch> still seems weird lol
[01:30] <skreech__> SporkWitch: yeah :) You could bounce into #zsh and shout out Sure they have some resources and people who are very into themes
[01:30] <SporkWitch> already did, including a link to the whole theme on github and a pastebin of the relevant lines 
[01:31] <SporkWitch> may be a noob to the things i've been playing with lately (mostly vim and zsh, and some of what i'm doing with python), but not to the concept of posting up the needed info if you want help :)
[01:34] <skreech__> :-)
[01:35] <skreech__> I like most FOSS communities they are pretty willing to help. Even if it's just other people who have 2 weeks more experience than you
[01:35] <SporkWitch> yup; you run into some asses occasionally, but most are helpful (especially since we want converts :P lol)
[01:36] <SporkWitch> just read the manual first, or you get well-deserved ridicule :)
[01:36] <skreech__> yeah Manuals are well done 
[01:37] <SporkWitch> USUALLY, not always, heh
[01:37] <skreech__> After answering the same question 70 times writing things down becomes a great relief and assist
[01:37] <skreech__> Well I mean in terms of sometimes I'll pick up closed services or products and the manual is something on the lines of. Contact this number for paid support 
[01:41] <SporkWitch> hehe, gotta love it
[01:42] <SporkWitch> my personal favourite is what Ubisoft starting doing a while back: a single page insert talking about how they're trying to protect the environment, so all the manuals are on the disk and nigh-useless (really they just want to save the money of printing good manuals)
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:34] <ovidiu-florin> mornin' yaal
[09:34] <lordievader> Hey ovidiu-florin, how are you?
[10:55] <yossarianuk> how ncome the iso for 13.04 has never been updated? Its shipping we a buggy kernel .19 - that only boots up 50% of the time  and 'out the box' the desktop is broken with dual screens....
[10:55] <yossarianuk> not a good impression for new users......
[10:55] <yossarianuk> i.e
[10:55] <yossarianuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1174689
[10:56] <yossarianuk> you have to upgrade 'before' entering KDE otherwise you do not have a usable desktop
[10:56] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Probably better to ask this in #kubuntu-devel
[10:56] <yossarianuk> okie
[10:56] <yossarianuk> p.s kubuntu is great once you update it...
[12:06] <k0s> всем привет
[12:06] <k0s> сто лет уже в мирке не был 
[12:06] <lordievader> !ru | k0s 
[13:10] <fitsyu> hello world
[13:14] <yossarianuk> hello fitsyu
[13:14] <fitsyu> hello yossarianuk!
[13:42] <eleves> hello
[13:42] <eleves> anyone here
[13:42] <eleves> ??
[13:43] <ikonia> yes
[13:43] <yossarianuk> nobody but us chickens
[13:43] <eleves> damned
[13:43] <eleves> ^^
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:45] <lars__> How do you download and install Adobe Flash for Kubuntu 12.04?  I cannot find it in my Muon Software Center
[13:45] <ikonia> !flash > lars__ 
[13:46] <lars__> ok
[13:48] <lars__> am I supposed to install java tea time instead of Adobe flash, so I can access YouTube videos?
[13:48] <lars__> It looks like I can download Adobe Flash for Linux from the Adobe website, but I was told you should not download software that way, because it is safer to download software from the Muon Software Center
[13:48] <lars__> Is that true?
[13:48] <ikonia> thats up to you
[13:48] <ikonia> it's a personal opinion
[13:50] <lars__> Well, itś not so much an issue of safety, but I have never tried downloading and installing software from a website, so I dont even know if it will work
[13:50] <hateball> lars__: For what it's worth, you can enable HTML5 on Youtube and you should be ok for the most part
[13:50] <ikonia> hateball has the wise words
[13:50] <hateball> lars__: If that's the only reason you want flash, that is
[13:50] <ikonia> but it does have limitations
[13:50] <BluesKaj> just install flash-plugin-installer , lars__
[13:51] <lars__> I cant find flash-plugin-installer anywhere, but is it on the Adobe website somewhere?
[13:52] <lars__> thereś no Adobe Flash plugin installer in the Muon Software Center
[13:52] <BluesKaj> just type flash into muon
[13:52] <lars__> there is nothing when I search with ¨flash¨
[13:53] <ikonia> !info quassel
[13:53] <lars__> Muon cant find anything on Adobe either
[13:53] <ikonia> lars__: are you sure you are using kubuntu ?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> sorry it's flashplugin-installer
[13:54] <lars__> Im using Kubuntu 12.04
[13:54] <lars__> thereś no such file with the word ¨flash¨ in it, according to the Muon Software Center
[13:54] <ikonia> !info quassel 12.04
[13:55] <ikonia> !info quassel precise
[13:56] <lars__> is there some other way to find the flash plugin besides using Muon?
[13:57] <ikonia> !info flashplugiin-installer preceise
[13:57] <ikonia> !info flashplugiin-installer precise
[13:57] <ikonia> !info flashplugin-installer precise
[13:58] <ikonia> lars__: you need to make sure you have multiverse repo enabled
[13:58] <lars__> Kubuntu 12.04 is the Precise Pangolin release
[13:58] <BluesKaj> lars__, do you have all your repositories enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:59] <lars__> Oh yeah, how do I enable all my repositories?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> !muon | lars
[14:01] <lars__> ok
[14:04] <BluesKaj> that link isn't very desiptive , lars__ , open muon and choose settings >configure software sources, then look at the repositories available and enable the multiverse repos
[14:04] <BluesKaj> err descriptive
[14:04] <lars__> ok, Blues
[14:05] <lars__> Yeah, that link was way too detailed
[14:08] <BluesKaj> I'm surprised the factoid links to somebody's blog 
[14:08] <lars__> Blues, do I start at Muon Package Manager or Muon Software Center?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> package manager
[14:11] <BluesKaj> ok , bbiab
[14:12] <lars__> Oh my, well Blues, thereś no Settings tab in My Muon Package Manager, but I see flash installer in here, I was searching with the wrong progrram,: I was using MUon Software Center
[14:12] <yossarianuk> If Microsoft/Nokia/Oracles 'predatory pricing' against free software to the EU gets upheld - i.e - http://fsfe.org/activities/policy/eu/20130729.EC.Fairsearch.letter.en.html   Does that mean kubuntu would have to charge for the desktop ?
[14:13] <ikonia> yossarianuk: sorry, how does phone charing policy fit into kubuntu ?
[14:14] <yossarianuk> if it gets upheld then surely the same thing would apply to desktops/servers, etc?
[14:14] <ikonia> I wouldn't worry about it at this time
[14:15] <yossarianuk> ok
[14:26] <lars__> I installed the flash plugin installer, but Adobe says I still need to install Adobe Flash, and I still cannot access any YouTube videos
[14:27] <lars__> What should I do, Blues?
[14:28] <yossarianuk> lars__: did you restart browser after installing flash ?
[14:28] <lars__> I dont know, Iĺl try it, yossa
[14:28] <yossarianuk> close (all) browser windows
[14:28] <yossarianuk> (or killall firefox)
[14:28] <yossarianuk> then restart browser
[14:28] <yossarianuk> going to 
[14:28] <yossarianuk> about:plugins  
[14:28] <BluesKaj> just close FF entirely
[14:29] <yossarianuk> should show the plugin (firefox)
[14:30] <lars__> Yeah, I restarted it twice.  It keeps asking me to install the plugin and keeps giving me the windows link right on the Firefox browser
[14:30] <lars__> I mean the window link
[14:31] <lars__> It also tells me I need to upgradde my Adobe Flash player
[14:32] <BluesKaj> try rebooting
[14:32] <lars__> Should I fully upgrade the Muon Package Manager?
[14:33] <BluesKaj> ok , have you done any update/upgrades lately ?
[14:33] <lars__> YEs, a few days ago, and today
[14:33] <lars__> But not for Muon Package Manager
[14:34] <BluesKaj> lars__, how , with muon?
[14:34] <lars__> WEll, I just installed the whole Kubuntu 12.04 system less than a week ago
[14:34] <lars__> and I updated everything, including all the Muon packages and software
[14:35] <BluesKaj> apt . muon use the dpkg system to install pacjages , they're just separate apps that use dpkg underneath to do the installing
[14:35] <lars__> I mean, all the software was updated a few times since the installation
[14:36] <BluesKaj> lars__, open a terminal , sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:37] <lars__> What, you want me to upgrade to 13.04?
[14:37] <lars__> Distribution upgrade, would theat upgrade me to 13.04?
[14:37] <Pici> !dist-upgrade | lars__ no
[14:37] <BluesKaj> no , thtat just upgrades existing packages in your OS
[14:38] <lars__> oh, ok, thatś good
[14:38] <loadid_czech> lars__: sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:38] <BluesKaj> loadid_czech, he doesn't want to upgrade to new OS
[14:38] <loadid_czech> ohh
[14:39] <lars__> thatś right, I want to stick with 12.04
[14:39] <BluesKaj> at least not yet 
[14:40] <lars__> so, I use both of those command lines you gave me, Blues?
[14:40] <lars__> the get update and the get dist upgrade lines?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> yeah,just copy and paste into the terminal
[14:40] <lars__> ok
[14:47] <lars__> ok, all the updates are finished now, I did what you told me, Blues
[14:47] <lars__> should I test Firefox now?
[14:49] <lars__> Blues, this is the last thing Bash told me....ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[14:49] <lars__> I can exit the konsole now, Blues?
[14:56] <lars__> I forgot to exit this Quassel IRC chat thing, before I rebooted my system, so that may explain the crash report after the reboot
[14:57] <lars__> Blues, Firefox tells me I still need to install Adobe Flash, and it gives me a window to install the Flash plugin
[14:58] <lars__> It also says I need to upgrade my Adobe Flash player
[14:59] <lars__> I rebooted my system after all the updates and upgrades
[15:06] <BluesKaj> lars__, does youtube video work ?
[15:09] <lars__> No
[15:09] <lars__> Sorry, I was talking to my mom on the phone
[15:09] <lars__> The YouTube still doesn work
[15:09] <lars__> But it looks like I have some more flash software packages on my Muon list
[15:11] <lars__> I already have flashplugin.installer installed
[15:13] <loadid_czech> lars__: have you tried a different browser?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> lars__, ok download the adobe flash for linux tar.gz file , don't install it yet if it asks , just save it , probly your home/user/downloads , once done then we'll proceed to installit
[15:14] <loadid_czech> maybe you have flash installed but not the firefox plugin?
[15:14] <lars__> yes, but not after I rebooted
[15:14] <ab3e> Hi, I have a HUGE problem I forget a . while using chown as root. Im screwed. But I have a 18days old bakup. How can I make a script that changes the owners and groups to the right ones with the help of the backup ? 
[15:15] <BluesKaj> lars__, http://get2.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[15:16] <lars__> ok Blues
[15:17] <BluesKaj> lars__,  I recall having the same problem on 12.04 ...my memory is a little slow today
[15:17] <lars__> ok, I saved the downloaded file into my Dowloads folder, Blues
[15:18] <BluesKaj> lars__, install unp 
[15:18] <lars__> unp?
[15:18] <lars__> What do you mean by ¨install unp¨ Blues?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> it's an app that uncompresses almost any kind of compressed file
[15:19] <BluesKaj> open a terminal , sudo apt-get install unp
[15:19] <BluesKaj> we need that first 
[15:19] <lars__> Oh, ok, I see, Iĺl go to the konsole....
[15:21] <lars__> Ok, I did it
[15:22] <lars__> it set up unp, should I exit the konsole now?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> ok lars__ did you choose the 64 bit flash?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> no leave the konsole open
[15:22] <lars__> Yeah, it automaticaly chose that for me, cause I got a 64 bit processor
[15:23] <BluesKaj> good
[15:23] <BluesKaj> ok lars , now , in the konsole , unp ~/Downloads/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz
[15:24] <lars__> ok, Blues, Iĺl try it.....
[15:26] <lars__> I did it, Blues
[15:26] <lars__> it didn take long
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ok lars__ , now still in the konsole, sudo cp ~/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugiuns
[15:27] <lars__> ok
[15:28] <BluesKaj> now try firefox again , close it dirst if it's still open 
[15:28] <BluesKaj> first
[15:28] <lars__> hey, wasn I supposed to use/Home/Downloads instead of /Downloads?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> lars,no the libflashplayer.so , should havbe extarcted to ~/ ,  which is the same as /home/user 
[15:30] <lars__> ok, good
[15:30] <BluesKaj> is it there?
[15:30] <lars__> Iḿ ready to try Firefox now.....
[15:31] <BluesKaj> is the file in /home/user?
[15:31] <lars__> the last command appears to have worked, but it didnt show anything after the command, looks like it just accepted it, not the usual long list of info
[15:32] <BluesKaj> yes that's correct
[15:32] <lars__> No, just /home/Downloads
[15:32] <lars__> anyway, Iĺl test Firefox now.....
[15:32] <BluesKaj> try firefox
[15:33] <BluesKaj> we were just coying the file to the mozilla plugins location
[15:33] <lars__> itś still not working
[15:34] <lars__> still asking for flash plugin and says I need to upgrade my Adobe Flash Playear
[15:34] <lars__> By the way, Rekonq appears to be my default browser
[15:35] <BluesKaj> lars__, alt +f2 , /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , ls the libflashplayer.so listred there ?
[15:35] <lars__> and thereś some other weird stuff going on with Firefox
[15:36] <lars__> ok, hold on.....Iĺl try it......
[15:36] <BluesKaj> lars__, did you run the firefox installer from the kmenu yet ?
[15:36] <lars__> kmenu?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> the Blue K on the left 
[15:38] <lars__> I didn know you could do that form the KMenu
[15:38] <lars__> Which installer?
[15:39] <lars__> this is what I got....
[15:39] <lars__> lars@linux-rfrf:~$  /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[15:39] <lars__> bash: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins: Is a directory
[15:39] <lars__> lars@linux-rfrf:~$ 
[15:40] <slatenails> ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[15:41] <BluesKaj> look in kmenu>applications>internet , firefox installer 
[15:41] <lars__> lars@linux-rfrf:~$ ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[15:41] <lars__> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: No such file or directory
[15:42] <BluesKaj> hmm, think the path I gave was wrong 
[15:43] <lars__> You sure I sould not have added /Home?
[15:44] <lars__> is this it......usr/lib/kde4/kcm_adobe_flash_player.so
[15:45] <BluesKaj> lars__, open your ~/Downloads file
[15:46] <lars__> Hold on....look at this.....
[15:46] <BluesKaj> right click on the flashp[layer file , choose extract here 
[15:46] <lars__> lars@linux-rfrf:~$ ls usr/lib/
[15:46] <lars__> kde4
[15:47] <BluesKaj> for some reason the file didn't extract properly with unp ...good to know so i don't use that methos gain
[15:47] <lars__> ok, Iĺl tright click on the Flashplayer file I downloaded.....
[15:48] <BluesKaj> don't get sidetracked by kde , FF uses the mozilla plugin file for flash
[15:49] <lars__> By the way, I cant paste anything onto my desktop, and Firefoxes windows are a little screwy
[15:50] <BluesKaj> lar that's because flash isn't installed yet , a lot of sites use flash for ads etc
[15:50] <lars__> No, thatś not what I mean
[15:51] <BluesKaj> ok lars__ , do you see the flash folder?
[15:51] <lars__> I was having problems with the Bookmarks
[15:51] <lars__> there were missing tool bars
[15:51] <lars__> after I installed it
[15:52] <lars__> I had to reinstall Firefox, and had to do a lot of screwing around to finally get the bookmarks to work
[15:52] <lars__> after the second installation, I finally got the bookmarks to work
[15:53] <lars__> so, I could import my old bookmarks
[15:53] <lars__> But the bookmarks is still fracked up
[15:53] <lars__> I think itś actually related to my desktop, which is also fracked up
[15:54] <lars__> Only the panels on the desktop work
[15:54] <lars__> the desktop wall is not accessible
[15:54] <BluesKaj> lars__, , one thing at a time ,open the flash plugin folder  and right click on flashplayer.so , copy it , now , alt+f2 . kdesudo dolphin /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , right click in the file and paste
[15:54] <lars__> I cant paste aything onto the desktop wall
[15:55] <lars__> the desktop panel is causing problems for Firefox, itś splitting up the bookmarks
[15:56] <lars__> ok
[15:56] <BluesKaj> I have to leave in for 30mins ... bbl ..read my post above 
[15:56] <lars__> ok
[15:56] <BluesKaj> in=for
[15:57] <lars__> where?
[15:57] <lars__> oh, I see, for the file and paste, right?
[15:58] <lars__> you are staying here for another 30 mins?
[15:59] <lars__> thereś no flashplayer.so file
[16:00] <BluesKaj> no , I'm gone for 30mins
[16:00] <lars__> itś a tar.gz file
[16:00] <lars__> you will be back in 30 mins?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> didyou read my last post about extracting the file..if not scroll up
[16:01] <lars__> yes
[16:01] <lars__> I don see any .so file in the Downloads
[16:02] <lars__> itś a tar.gz file, not .so
[16:05] <lars__> ok, I got the .so file now....
[16:06] <lars__> Blues?
[16:09] <lars__> I dont see how you right click in the file after the last command
[16:18] <BluesKaj> ok , back early , lars__ rightclick on the so file,not in it , choose copy
[16:18] <lars__> I did that
[16:18] <lars__> I did everything you said
[16:19] <BluesKaj> now , alt+f2 . kdesudo dolphin /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , right click in the file and paste
[16:20] <lars__> I pasted the .so file into the root/user/lib/mozilla/plugins folder
[16:21] <lars__> Oh, that doesn look good....
[16:21] <BluesKaj> yes , good , was there anything else in that file 
[16:21] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> it was probly empty
[16:22] <lars__> Hold on, Iĺl show you a screenshot, okay?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> if you wish
[16:24] <lars__> file:///tmp/kde-lars/snapshot5.jpg
[16:26] <lars__> BLUES, the only other file is skypebuttons.so
[16:26] <BluesKaj> ok, that's fine
[16:27] <BluesKaj> that url doesn't load 
[16:28] <BluesKaj> you can use the tab to complete the nick in irc , lars__
[16:28] <lars__> send me the link to post screenshots, Blues
[16:28] <BluesKaj> anyway , close FF and relaunch it now
[16:28] <lars__> ok
[16:30] <lars__> wow, itś working
[16:30] <BluesKaj> !imagebin
[16:31] <BluesKaj> good
[16:32] <lars__> ;thanks a lot Blues
[16:32] <lars__> Iḿ watching Wrecking Ball
[16:32] <BluesKaj> np lars__ , glad to help
[16:33] <BluesKaj> np lars__ , glad to helpI'll repeat i case you didn't see it the first time , you can use the tab to complete nicks in irc , lars__
[16:35] <lars__> I dont get this tab thing, but it looks like a shortcut
[16:35] <lars__> When I pressed tab I got your name, Blues
[16:36] <sarosh> hi
[16:36] <lars__> lars__: 
[16:36] <lars__> How do you highlight your name like that when youŕe talking to me?
[16:38] <SporkWitch> lars__: it's your IRC client, it highlights (and usually pings) when someone says your name (or any other string or regex you've set it to)
[16:40] <lars__> But how do I get other people to see my messages highlighted?
[16:40] <lars__> For example, I was talking with Blues a lot, and i wanted to see my messages to him highlighted, how do I do that?
[16:40] <SporkWitch> lars__: say their name
[16:40] <SporkWitch> oh, check in your client settings
[16:41] <SporkWitch> there may or may not be an option to highlight your own messages
[16:41] <lars__> Spork, let me try it with you......
[16:41] <lars__> SporkWitch: is this highlighted now?
[16:41] <SporkWitch> the full name is; this is a fresh install or Spork would as well, i  just haven't updated my highlights yet
[16:42] <lars__> where are my client settings?
[16:43] <SporkWitch> that would depend on your IRC client
[16:43] <lars__> Iḿ using Quassel IRC
[16:43] <SporkWitch> not sure then, never used that one.  Usually it's going to be under either Edit or Tools
[16:43] <SporkWitch> and look for something like "options," "settings," or "preferences"
[16:44] <lars__> I have toolbar settings when I right click, but I dont see anything aobut options, settings, etc
[16:46] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:48] <BluesKaj> quassel is less configurable IMO , than konversation ...dunno whay it's default 
[16:48] <BluesKaj> err why
[16:49] <lars__> No big deal, just wanted to know how to get my text highlighted for my interlocutor, like you
[16:50] <lars__> Iḿ going to see if I can switch my desktop, since this one is not working
[16:50] <lars__> Iĺl check to see if I can find the Gnome desktop smn told me about....
[16:54] <lars__> I found a Virtual Desktop, but Iḿ not sure how to get it to work
[17:06] <mr-rich> Ever since I applied the latest updates to my 12.04 LTS install, transparancy doesn't work anymore ... any ideas? I'm using the "Glassified" theme.
[17:25] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: newbie friendliness would be my guess, so that kind of goes away from the selling point of KDE vs Gnome: customization.  i use kvirc
[18:02] <Senjai> http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/7.10/hardware/C/video.html I'm trying to impliment this.
[18:02] <Senjai> How can I enable restricted drivers on Ubuntu 13.10?
[18:02] <Senjai> I dont have an advanced tab
[18:04] <Pici> 7.10 :|
[18:09] <Senjai> Pici: Yeah, well I'm looking all around, I dont have "Hardware Drivers" anywhere on my system..
[18:09] <Senjai> or anything that would show me the drivers
[18:10] <Pici> Senjai: The executable is called jockey-kde, I'm not sure what menu it live in nowadays though.
[18:10] <genii> Senjai: Applications....System.... Additional Drivers
[18:11] <Senjai> genii: nope
[18:11] <Senjai> Pici: didn't have that either, I'm just fetching it from apt
[18:11] <Pici> wait, 13.10? 
[18:12] <genii> Senjai: Need to have the "restricted" repository enabled
[18:12] <Senjai> 13.04 sorry
[18:12] <Senjai> Pici: thank you for pointing out the name of the program
[18:12] <Senjai> it's installing the driver now
[18:13] <Senjai> I  hate having to go through the GUI :/
[18:14] <Pici> Me too. Thats why I don't know where it is.  I don't even use KDE myself.
[18:14] <Senjai> Pici: What do you use?
[18:14] <Pici> Senjai: XFCE on my HTPC, or just zsh.
[18:15] <loadid_czech> Senjai: it's under additional drivers in the system menu
[18:15] <Senjai> loadid_czech: It wasn't
[18:15] <loadid_czech> you're on KDE
[18:15] <loadid_czech> i see genii already pointed that out
[18:15] <Senjai> Pici: I use zsh for everything except things I dont know how to use... I couldnt even find it by looking through the repo.
[18:15] <Senjai> loadid_czech: Well it wasn't there, sorry. 
[18:15] <loadid_czech> no, it's not a package
[18:16] <Senjai> loadid_czech: I installed jockey and that seemed to do the job
[18:16] <genii> !info jockey-kde
[18:17] <Senjai> brb need to restart
[19:51] <polter> is there a good GUI Firewall for KDE in the repos?
[20:01] <bprompt> the only thing I've seen in the repositories is "gufw"   which is the frontend for UFW
[20:07] <polter> bprompt: yeah but that GTK right?
[20:11] <bprompt> yes
[20:14] <polter> hm, well it's too bad there isn't something in System Settings to do some simple Firewall config
[20:16] <bprompt> ahemm.... well, there's  a control module -> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=137789
[20:17] <polter> bprompt: yeah I saw that, don't really file like building anything from source for this
[20:17] <bprompt> I just didn't find a .deb install for it, though you can always try for that package at say... rpmfind.com or rpmseek.com   neverminding the "rpm" part, they have also .deb compiled packages as well
[20:18] <bprompt> I used this one a while back, I think it was in kubuntu 10.10 or so   -> http://www.kmyfirewall.org/index.php?kat=Download
[20:19] <bprompt> didn't find it in the repository for 12.04 though
[20:19] <polter> bprompt: looks like that's for KDE3 though
[20:19] <bprompt> yes, kde3 packages can still run on kde4
[20:19] <bprompt> I run   hmmm about 3 or more kde3 packages just fine
[20:20] <bprompt> it's just a matter of installing the necessary libs
[20:21] <polter> bprompt: yeah I know, I might just use that, or build from source.. we'll see
[20:21] <polter> thanks for you help
[20:21] <bprompt> I for example, use kxmleditor  which shows as kde3.5.1, runs fine
[20:22] <polter> I can't be too picky about running qt4 only.. seeing as I am a Firefox user :)
[20:25] <bprompt> http://www.rpmseek.com/rpm-pl/kmyfirewall.html?hl=com&cs=kmyfirewall:PN:0:0:0:0:0    <---   there are a few .deb for it
[20:27] <polter> thanks
[20:28] <bprompt> np
[20:55] <m_tadeu_> my desktop doesn't start...I  can insert the login/pass and then....nothing
[20:57] <m_tadeu_> have the wallpaper, mouse cursor....and nothing else
[20:59] <bprompt> hmmm... can you get to a terminal window?
[21:00] <m_tadeu_> yes...ctrl+alt+f1
[21:00] <bprompt> well, ... I meant... ahemm... to withing the GUI
[21:00] <bprompt> ahemm... I think ctrl-T may be mapped to konsole, can't be sure
[21:01] <bprompt> what about winkey-R?
[21:01] <m_tadeu_> nothing
[21:02] <bprompt> hmmm
[21:02] <bprompt> well,    from the ctrl-alt-f1 terminal.... can you install anything?
[21:03] <bprompt> you see, what's not lauching, is Kwin, the default window manager in KDE
[21:03] <m_tadeu_> I have no network....how can I start it?
[21:03] <bprompt> so, from the terminal you might be able to maybe reinstall it
[21:05] <bprompt> hmmm... anything that may have done something from the last time you booted in?
[21:07] <m_tadeu_> some updates...I'm trying to "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"  and some packages should be installed.....but I need to connect my wifi interface
[21:07] <m_tadeu_> how can I do it from the command line?
[21:08] <m_tadeu_> plasma-desktop is not installed...
[21:10] <bprompt> hmmm   ok... then at the terminal ... try this    ->    killall kwin
[21:11] <m_tadeu_> kwin is not running
[21:12] <bprompt> hmm... ok
[21:12] <bprompt> then try  ->   killall plasma-desktop
[21:12] <m_tadeu_> plasma-desktop is not installed...that's what I'm trying to do....install the missing packages
[21:12] <bprompt> then run -> plasma-desktop &
[21:13] <bprompt> ok... what do you get when you go to Ctrl-Alt-F7?
[21:13] <m_tadeu_> I need to start my wifi interface but I don't know how
[21:13] <m_tadeu_> only the background and the mouse cursor
[21:16] <bprompt> ahemm.... what if you run  ->  kwin &
[21:20] <Legimet> kstart kwin
[21:20] <Legimet> try that
[21:22] <m_tadeu_> it can't connect to x server
[21:23] <Legimet> what does it say?
[21:23] <bprompt> hmmm
[21:25] <m_tadeu_> it says "kstart: cannot connect to x server"
[21:26] <bprompt> how about this one    type in -> DISPLAY=:0 kwin <-- then go to Ctrl-Alt-F7
[21:26] <hui> ?
[21:27] <bprompt> O.O
[21:33] <gomiboy> m_tadeu_: to get network type: nmcli c   
[21:33] <gomiboy> nmcli c up id "your connection name"
[21:52] <m_tadeu_> gomiboy: I did it...it's locked inside nmcli
[21:52] <m_tadeu_> timout
[21:54] <bprompt> m_tadeu_:   http://blog.tplus1.com/blog/2008/06/13/how-to-connect-to-a-wireless-network-from-the-ubuntu-command-line/
[21:54] <bprompt> hmmm... may want to consider to maybe install a 2nd window  manager ^_^
[21:55] <m_tadeu_> yeah....this is the first time I don't have both kde and gnome installed and....getting burned :)
[21:55] <bprompt> hehe
[21:56] <bprompt> I run kubuntu, but my window manager is lxde
[21:56] <sorakun> lol
[21:56] <sorakun> nice one 
[22:07] <m_tadeu_> i did it.....thanx for your help guys
[22:08] <bprompt> np
[22:29] <arthurfiggis> hello :) i'm trying to get 13.04 installed and everything seems to go just fine...up until i reboot, and it says that no os is detected :( in addition to that it doesn't appear to detect that i already have 64 bit windows 7 installed on the same hard drive...any ideas on what i could be getting wrong?
[22:35] <valorie> arthurfiggis: your grub is hosed
[22:35] <valorie> !grub
[22:36] <valorie> look at the troubleshooting link there, arthurfiggis
[22:37] <arthurfiggis> valorie: thanks, i will certainly take a look and see if i can get it sorted out that way :) i don't have ubuntu installed yet though...i was trying to install it along side windows 7, but the installer is detecting my hard drive as having no partitions
[22:38] <bprompt> hmmm
[22:38] <bprompt> arthurfiggis:    still have the livecd/usb for kubuntu?
[22:38] <arthurfiggis> in fact the only distrobution that i've been able to get to install fresh is fedora 19, and that's bugged out lately :( 
[22:38] <arthurfiggis> bprompt: oh yes, that's what i'm here with now
[22:39] <bprompt> arthurfiggis:   is your hd, the one in that same machine the live session is on?
[22:39] <arthurfiggis> bprompt: i...think so, if i understand your question correctly :) i'm trying to install from a cd to a hard drive on the same machine...the hard drive already has a working windows 7 install on it
[22:40] <arthurfiggis> just not according to the installer though...and if i install from scratch, it doesn't boot :(
[22:40] <arthurfiggis> i suspect some sort of efi/uefi problem but i don't know how to get around it
[22:40] <bprompt> arthurfiggis:     hmmm, is kubuntu and win7 installed already?
[22:41] <arthurfiggis> bprompt: windows 7 is already installed, kubuntu is what i'm trying to install now
[22:41] <arthurfiggis> but according to the installer there are no pre-existing partitions on my hard drive :(
[22:42] <sorakun> so it fails detecting the OS
[22:42] <arthurfiggis> sorakun: yes, it fails to detect there's even a partitioning scheme on the hard drive
[22:42] <arthurfiggis> sorry if that wasn't clear before :)
[22:42] <bprompt> arthurfiggis:     .... ok... well.... right.... well.. how about a "manual" option in where it asks you for the partition to install it at?
[22:43] <arthurfiggis> it wouldn't be a problem except f i do a fresh install it doesn't detect the os being installed...very strange :(
[22:43] <loadid_czech> if you fdisk -l in the live session does it see partitions?
[22:43] <arthurfiggis> bprompt: i did try manually creating an efi partition and separate / and home partitions...and the install went fine...but when i rebooted it went straight to trying to boot from network, didn't detect the os at all :(
[22:44] <arthurfiggis> loadid_czech: that i haven't tried, one second while i run it
[22:44] <sorakun> is it a new version of kubuntu ur trying to install?
[22:44] <arthurfiggis> hmm...fdisk -l in the live session produces no output at all
[22:45] <loadid_czech> i'm not sure what to say about that.. sounds like a hardware issue
[22:46] <bprompt> arthurfiggis:    sudo fdisk -l
[22:46] <loadid_czech> ohhh yeah, good call
[22:46] <sorakun> arthurfiggis: is it a new version of kubuntu ur trying to install?
[22:47] <bprompt> the live session root has no password, but you'd still need the sudo part anyhow
[23:23] <arthurfiggis> hello again, thanks for the help...as someone here pointed out, i needed to install kubuntu via the "legacy boot" option in order for it to boot after installation :) unfortunately i also would have had to install windows 7 the same way for it to be detected, so i just blew away windows 7 and happily installed kubuntu over it
[23:25] <bprompt> blew away win7?
[23:26] <bprompt> what do you mean?
[23:28] <arthurfiggis> bprompt: well, windows 7 i installed without selecting "legacy boot" and unfortunately according to the person i was speaking with, it would have had to have been installed that way for kubuntu, being booted with "legacy boot," would see it...stupid uefi implementation on my machine apparently
[23:28] <arthurfiggis> i can have both installed at the same time but only installed the same way...so i figured i'd skip windows 7 for now :)
[23:29] <bprompt> hmmm
[23:29] <arthurfiggis> it didn't seem to make sense but i got kubuntu installed without any grub errors this time!
[23:30] <bprompt> arthurfiggis:    my understanding is that, UEFI may have issues in linux if keeping SecureBoot enabled, which doesn't affect win64... but that's disableable in BIOS
[23:30] <arthurfiggis> i know next to nothing about uefi though, except that i'm going to make sure the next machine i have can absolutely, positively turn that nastiness off :)
[23:30] <arthurfiggis> bprompt: that's the problem with my machine...there isn't actually an option to turn it off in the bios, when you install an os, you have to install it with "legacy boot" or it won't boot period
[23:30] <arthurfiggis> (hence stupid uefi implementation i guess :()
[23:31] <bprompt> hmmm
[23:31] <arthurfiggis> it was a windows 7 i3 machine that came out a few months before windows 8, so it has uefi without it being windows 8 certified...ugly piece of work that :P
[23:31] <bprompt> I see
[23:31] <bprompt> heheh
[23:31] <arthurfiggis> (since it can avoid having an explicit legacy boot option)
[23:32] <arthurfiggis> (in the bios :) i don't know what i'm talking about by the way)
[23:32] <bprompt> lol
[23:35] <arthurfiggis> as long as i can run a decent linux distribution and a recent version of kde i'm  happy :) incidentally though, does kubuntu have any sort of gui interface to selinux similar to fedora's? i found that was quite convenient, it was everything else blowing up on updates that turned me off there
[23:36] <bprompt> dunno
[23:37] <arthurfiggis> hm...i'll have to look around :) i'm sure there are plenty of ways of securing ubuntu besides