=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [06:39] morning all [07:13] möh [07:19] Myrtti: that good eh! [07:19] SWEEEEEEEET [07:19] BETTER NOW [07:19] I GOT A JOB [07:20] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [07:24] Myrtti: CONGRATS!!! what you doing? [07:25] developer community management [07:25] fantastic :) well done! [07:26] I'm having a total meltdown here [07:26] aw man [07:26] aaaahhhhhhhhhh.... [07:29] Myrtti: meltdown in a good way I do hope :) [07:29] crying, and laughing, and running around my apartment [07:30] do the dance of jot :) [07:30] *joy [07:30] I'll do that in the shower :-D [07:30] Myrtti: are you employed at the moment? [07:30] haven't been for more or less two years [07:30] by choice or circumstances? [07:31] sorry i'm being nosey :) [07:31] Nokia meltdown that trickled down to subcontractors [07:31] \o/ [07:31] fab :) [07:31] moring popey [07:31] Myrtti: congratulations! [07:31] Yo! [07:31] but a bit of both, I had a time I wasn't sure what I actually want to do in my life and and then I've had family issues, parents kicking the bucket etc [07:32] haha [07:32] love that phrase [07:32] well my dad nearly literally did that, ultimately dying of alcoholism [07:32] Myrtti: well I'm stoked for you, when you start? [07:33] unofficially now, officially start of the month. I do the hours in and get to keep them as holiday [07:41] Congratulations Myrtti Good lick with the new job [07:41] s/luck/lick/ [07:48] Myrtti: well that's brilliant news :D [07:55] Good morning peeps :) [07:55] morning [07:57] Anyone have any success using BaseMosaic in xorg.conf? I have two nVidia cards driving 3 monitors and am currently using xinerama, but it seems to have become more broken (dragging and dropping for example) as time goes by === JamesTait is now known as Guest95192 === Guest95192 is now known as JamesTait === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:16] things are looking up, despite the school being ultimately owned by a town council, they don't use MS Outlook. [08:17] school/college [08:17] just gets better and better [08:18] Myrtti: will you get that smile of your face please ;) [08:19] I'm sure an Alan or D Jones kicks me out if I become too annoying, and I don't blame them at all [08:19] lotus notes isn't better! [08:19] I even approve [08:22] morning all [08:23] went to a meeting at the kids school last night where they explained it's been sold [08:23] Lots of tense parents asking questions [08:24] how can a school be sold? [08:25] mungbean: private school? [08:25] popey: ? [08:25] state school or other? [08:25] independent school [08:25] Sounds better than private [08:25] the owner / head has sold it to a company [08:25] which has investors who want to invest in schools [08:25] invest in, or fleece? [08:25] invest in [08:26] improve buildings, add value then sell of course in ~5-7 years time [08:26] so more for real estate than league tables? [08:27] no, they want to add facilities that the school doesn't have [08:27] e.g. sports building, pool, newer buildings [08:28] real estate + assets [08:28] could be good thing [08:28] yeah, they seem like a good bunch [08:28] i understand wary parents [08:28] first question "will the fees go up?" [08:29] 2nd question "will teacher's pay go up?" [08:29] hah, nobody asked that! [08:29] nobody asked about staff retention [08:29] popey: not even you? [08:29] private schools are expensive but compared to what you get vs similar cost in a nursery...! [08:30] nursery is a ripoff [08:31] £39 a day for ours [08:32] oof [08:33] wow that's expensive. [08:34] my number two starts pre nursery next year. [08:34] both of our kids went to the nursery at the school where they go, so they have grown up with the same kids [08:34] my eldest starts at school nursery next week [08:34] afternoons only [08:35] nice, my son just started reception class, but it will be nice when he's older when his sis starts at same school [08:35] Sam got onto the School Council this week ☻ [08:35] Gets to take issues from class to the management team and tell them what the kids want ☻ [08:35] nursery costs more for babies than toddlers [08:35] popey: taking after his father in leadership roles eh ;) [08:35] yeah [08:35] nice [08:35] see this unfortunate pic of farage? http://i.imgur.com/TNEVo7s.jpg [08:35] haha [08:36] snigger [08:37] :D [08:40] So... [08:40] CHOO CHOO! [08:40] Anything exciting happening this weekend? [08:40] :) [08:41] I see that popey is using predictive text [08:41] real ale train day? [08:41] !rat [08:41] The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. 21st September 2013, Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ [08:41] shall I bring CaH? [08:41] I damn well hope it's yearly :) [08:41] popey: you shall [08:41] k [08:41] I have no idea how it works, but sounds fun [08:42] I managed to find a hip flask at argos yesterday afternoon [08:42] you're taking booze to a train full of booze? [08:42] Sadly it came as part of a "best man" set with cufflinks [08:42] popey: for Hayley [08:42] If you recall, they ran out of miniatures [08:43] ah [08:43] good morning everyone. [08:43] Will still buy diet coke or something [08:43] AlanBell: Hayley wants to know if you'll be brining your hat [08:57] I certainly will :) [09:03] Hey biggie === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:32] saw this and thought of ali1234 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE5mhct5L0Y#t=82 [09:49] popey: that'snuts [10:10] Morning all [10:10] morning davmor2 [10:11] MooDoo: me owld mucka, how's life treatin' ya [10:12] davmor2: alreet youth, getting last minute bits for the kids party on sunday, and no thinking of upgrading my laptop to saucy! [10:12] now thnking [10:12] i thought you ran fedora? [10:13] popey: only in a VM, ran ubuntu for yonks [10:13] MooDoo: I think you need to go back to bed if you are no thnking ;) [10:13] davmor2: yeah tell me about it....i blame the kids...fancy having their party on the same day lol ;) [10:13] popey: MooDoo is like Vader, there good left in him yet :D [10:14] davmor2: popey there is lots of good in me, although i am still dual booting it with windows 8....... [10:14] * MooDoo ducks and runs [10:14] and theres the darkside [10:15] davmor2: sowweeeee [10:16] popey: I grew up and stopped changing my os as much as my pants as you once put it ;) [10:16] MooDoo: Windows 8 though dude, have you had a proper play with it? man it's aweful, windows 7 was so much better in so many ways [10:17] davmor2: the only thing i don't like is metro, the interface sucks, but 8.1 is coming out soon, which gives you the ability to boot to desktop and gives you a semi start button back. What I don't like is the metro interface on windows 2012 server.....WTF? [10:17] what's the state of play with 3d support on nvidia optimus these days? [10:17] that question is somewhat related [10:18] windows 8 - I'm thinking of running it to get decent gfx performance and running ubuntu in a vm [10:18] MooDoo: how the hell is that supposed to work [10:18] diddledan: i dual boot mine, ubuntu for most stuff and windows for the photoshop I use [10:19] yeah, and it's photoshop that I want the decent gfx performance for [10:19] davmor2: the thought was that you remote desktop to the server with a tablet. [10:19] diddledan: I dual boot, it's easier :D [10:19] MooDoo: did you try dark room? [10:19] it would be ok if nvidia optimus worked enough that vmware could do 3d acceleration [10:19] davmor2: yeah it's fine does work for lots of things, but it's clunky, not as refined as lightroom. [10:20] MooDoo: Ugg, you seem to of mistakenly added the word "the thought" in that sentence :D [10:20] words even [10:21] davmor2: as soon as my workflow doesn't need photoshop or lightroom i'll ditch windows, although I may speak to Tony Whitmore as he doesn't use windows [10:22] see, without windows I'd have been stuffed because I've been given a psd design and told "make that into a website" [10:22] I would hate to see what it looked like in the gimp [10:22] diddledan: do you use photoshop CC? [10:23] MooDoo yeah [10:23] diddledan: then you'll be able to knock out a site using it in no time what with that new feature added : [10:24] generator? [10:24] ooh, I've not tried that yet [10:24] MooDoo: doesn't he use this http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4670071&cid=catalog20038&segid=6000006&storeKey=us&languageCode=en was bibble pro iirc [10:25] davmor2: how are you doing? geting close to release time and all that [10:25] anyone have an opinion on the pub suggestion? [10:25] davmor2: oooooo not heard about that [10:25] come to me local [10:26] http://www.lordnelsonsouthwark.com/ [10:26] abbey street, nottingham [10:26] pub sounds like a good idea. let me grab my coat. see you in 10? [10:26] :-p [10:26] MooDoo: you're welcome :) [10:27] Laney: johnson arms? [10:27] correct [10:28] Laney: not that far from me, I'm on castle boulevard [10:29] \o/ [10:29] get down there [10:29] east midlands release party [10:29] (attendees: 2) [10:29] Laney: when? [10:30] at release day? [10:30] guess so [10:30] not sure I'll actually be around then though, need to check [10:30] when is release day? [10:30] !saucy [10:30] oct 17th [10:30] Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) will be the 19th release of Ubuntu. Announcement: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1252 - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [10:30] wtf [10:30] !releaseschedule [10:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule [10:31] * AlanBell goes to fix [10:31] four weeks yesterday? [10:31] did I count right? :-p [10:32] I'm in Nottingham on tuesday :( [10:32] it's always on a thursday, so it's a good start [10:32] I'd be able to make a release party if it was the 19th cos that'ld be saturdsday === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:32] diplo: don't sad face at that [10:32] where? [10:32] It means meetings though! [10:32] optimus is partially implemented in nvidia-glx now [10:32] partially [10:32] the preferred route remains using third party tools like "optirun" [10:32] laghex [10:32] Office is based in Colwick but I stay in city centre [10:33] thanks directhex [10:33] hm? [10:33] The ramadan i think it's called now, used to Holiday Inn [10:33] ramada [10:33] heh yeah [10:33] same company as travelodge [10:34] ah, to be honest the hotel was nice before ( nice meaning adequate ) and it's the same staff pretty much just a new sign :) [10:35] quite near the malt cross [10:35] go there [10:37] * directhex moos. moo! [10:37] OK, i don't remember most names of pubs but I've visited a fair few [10:37] * diplo googles [10:38] yeah think I've been there, but may go there Tuesday night [10:39] dragon is good [10:39] and if you walk up the hill a little bit the hand and heard and the organ grinder are both top notch [10:40] I've been to the salutation before :) [10:40] haha [10:40] you old rocker [10:41] we had our rocksoc socials there every week back in the undergrad days [10:41] And one up Goldsmith St ( bit of a uni pub a swell ) [10:47] I was actually dragged into salutation after visiting a pub opposite and up a bit which was a complete dive [10:47] yes yes yes I know the one [10:47] g... something [10:48] no, chambers [10:48] I've been there once and the advice I got from my friend as we were entering was "if someone starts on you, just run" [10:49] heh was just googling it, I'd tend to agree.. we lasted about 20 mins and said umm nope. Most people went home but I got dragged on for another few pints === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [11:22] hi all, any idea how I can add ICA protocol to the UCCS / Remote login sessions for Ubuntu ? Would like to log into a hosted desktop from the login screen [11:38] how can i measure torque i am delivering to a nut? special torque wrench? i need 5nm torque [11:38] I used a torque wrench [11:38] are they ££? [11:38] ooh http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cht423-angular-torque-gauge [11:38] Not too bad [11:39] can't remember, last time I used one was ~1991 [11:39] my roof bars need to be tightened to 5nm but i don't know what that feels like [11:39] heh mine was way more retro than that [11:39] 5nm is off-scale low for a lot of torque wrenches, I guess [11:39] it's not a lot [11:40] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1980_c1980_Torque_wrench,_140ft-lbs_19.36m-kg,_nominally_14-20in,_.5in_socket_drive,_Craftsman_44641_WF,_Sears_dtl.jpg [11:40] it's a force of 0.5kg at the end of a bar 1m long [11:40] (or 1kg on a 0.5m bar :) [11:41] i'll ask a cyclist [11:41] he might have a torque key [11:45] For those in the land of Ediburgh we've just created http://www.meetup.com/MongoDB-Edinburgh [12:02] czajkowski: is Ediburgh a bit like Edinburgh? [12:02] davmor2: you're gonna get a slap [12:04] MooDoo: Not my fault, I didn't spell it wrong :D [13:21] hi [13:21] how do i run gui utility that does the keyboard configuration from the terminal? [13:21] i'm using ubuntu as guest os in vagrant [13:22] thus i don't have access to all the menus [13:22] to any of the menus, actually [13:24] sdfghjhgffd: if you mean how do you change the keyboard layout in the terminal/console then run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data`. if you really do want to configure the X keyboard then I don't know how to do that without the gui [13:24] i do want do configure the x keyboard [13:25] and i have access to the gui, actually [13:25] it's just that i run a ssh session with -Y flag [13:25] so i can run any x11 app given that i know the command [13:25] eg i know what to type in console to invoke that [13:26] in that case then I believe your keyboard is set locally [13:26] i afraid it's not [13:26] it _should_ use whatever your client os is using [13:26] hmm [13:27] the X server is running on your local pc so the remote doesn't interpret the keypresses at all [13:27] i guess it's running on the remote actually [13:27] oh wait i think i've confused x11 definitions 'server' and 'client' [13:28] X11 is very confusing with terms like client and server [13:29] nonetheless, the problem i want to solve eventually is that i have somehow misconfigured my keyboard in x11 with sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration [13:29] and i can't fathom how to configure that back [13:29] afternoon all [13:29] AlanBell: hello [13:29] the Saucy Release party is arranged :) [13:30] you should be able to re-run dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration [13:30] AlanBell: \o/ [13:30] of course, i did that many times [13:30] Canonical will be shout a round of drinks and some snacks too :) [13:30] still doesn't help [13:31] i don't have any ubuntu to access other than that i am connecting to [13:32] but when i had and wanted to know how to run certain app from the menu [13:32] sdfghjhgffd: can you get to the menus with the keyboard? === DC-D_ is now known as DC-D [13:32] i would drag and drop corresponding icon to gedit [13:32] and it will display a config file of sorts, including command i was looking for [13:33] AlanBell: i'm ssh -Y 'ing to ubuntu [13:33] so the answer is no [13:33] Hello, I am nayla [13:33] ah, so you are not running the desktop, you are remoting apps to another X [13:34] hello nayla [13:34] hello [13:34] yeah, that's what i am doing [13:34] yesterday i ask about ubuntu partion and one of the member reply [13:34] so i will do his recommand way [13:34] but i saw two things before i do partition. [13:35] Primary and Logical [13:35] Which one i need to choose. [13:35] Now I am in installation mode. [13:36] yesterday one of member reply. [13:37] sdfghjhgffd: can you run gnome-control-center ? [13:38] Hello [13:38] I am Nayla [13:38] AlanBell: tanks [13:38] Now I am doing ubuntu installation. [13:38] My laptop is Lenovo x60 [13:38] nayla: are you setting up dual booting with another operating system? [13:38] no [13:39] i will format entire disk [13:39] RAM - 2GB [13:39] HD - 250 GB [13:39] heya [13:39] CPU - 1.83 GHz (COre 2 Duo) [13:39] nayla: ok, in that case when you install it, just go for the automatic options, let it worry about partitioning itself [13:40] Thanks for your suggestion. But I feel choosing partitation way is faster. [13:40] yesterday one member recommand [13:40] we had a discussion on partitioning yesterday i believe, he's going to do some development work so may benefit from a separate home [13:41] (at the least) [13:41] Oh ya [13:41] Hi AlanBell, Thanks for your suggestion. yesterday the one i mee is [13:41] ok, you can do that too, personally I never bother, but you can if you like [13:41] Thanks [13:42] Hi [13:42] !tab [13:42] You can use your key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. [13:42] Now i am in installating [13:42] i saw Primary and Logical when i do partition. [13:42] Which one i need to choose. [13:43] the /boot we spoke of will be primary [13:43] then all the rest, /, swap and /home will be logical [13:44] today home connection has problem :) [13:44] hello [13:45] May I know which one i need to choose between logical and primary [13:46] 150MB /boot ext4 [13:46] 20 GB / ext4 4 GB swap then the rest /home ext4 [13:47] the /boot we spoke of will be primary, then all the rest, /, swap and /home will be logical [13:47] nayla: sorry didn't notice you disconnected [13:47] daftykins: thanks. i will do now :) [13:48] anyone used davmail behind exchange server? [14:29] Hello. I saw the following message when i start ubuntu 12.04 LTS [14:29] "kvm: disabled by bios" [14:29] May i know what is this? [14:30] kvm is a driver to allow you to do virtualisation on the cpu [14:30] it is an informational message that it's disabled [14:30] this message means my laptop has a problem or not? [14:31] nope [14:31] currently i turn-on VT. but still the same message showing [14:33] yeah, different virtualisation technologies [14:33] nothing to worry about [14:34] I see. Thanks [15:37] what is a "linux depot" on steam? [15:40] maybe it's like distrowatch [15:44] ali1234, depots are collections of files on steam's servers. a depot can be marked with a specific OS, or no marking [15:45] ali1234, when you install the game on a given platform, steam will download the contents of one or more relevant depots, and merge them locally to form the game's install directory tree [15:45] that's pretty swish [15:46] i see [15:46] here's an example - note the OS-specific depots (with executables) and the shared depot (levels, etc) - http://steamdb.info/app/225140/#section_depots [15:48] yeah so when I added FTL just now it showed a confusing screen with checkboxes for FTL and FTL: Linux Depot [15:48] but looking at this: http://steamdb.info/search/?a=app&q=FTL - it looks like the "Linux Depot" is in a separate product for some reason [15:48] odd, you should never see depots mentioned in the steam ui [15:48] yeah, figures [15:49] http://steamdb.info/app/212680/#section_depots suggests ftl's depots are a bit of a mess anyway [15:50] looks like the linux depot was accidentally marked as an app, by assigning it metadata (depots are basically apps with blank state) [15:50] compare to the osx ftl depot: http://steamdb.info/app/212682/ === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:28] oh joy, look at slashdot making itself sound like it's super important and clever: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/09/19/0227238/linus-torvalds-admits-hes-been-asked-to-insert-backdoor-into-linux [16:29] slashdot always tries that [16:29] always fails [16:30] to me it sounds like linus was making a joke. to slashdot it's OMGZORS END OF HUMANITY [16:31] now on an unrelated topic - is anyone else having trouble with google+ right now? [16:52] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2555-saucy-salamander-release-party/ === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [17:28] what are locally integrated menus? [17:34] AlanBell: you don't remember them? [17:34] menus that came down from a button in the top left of a window [17:41] they never actually existed right? [17:41] which is probably why nobody remembers them [17:41] gnome has that now btw [17:41] except they are at the top right [17:46] well, they're usually in the top right [17:46] it's part of CSD so the app can basically do anything it wants [17:49] it existed [17:49] and was in a ppa [17:52] http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/locally-integrated-menus-delayed-for.html [17:52] looks like the ppa was removed [17:52] hi guys, is there any way i can install pdfedit on ubuntu 13.04 62bit.tx [17:52] given it was only a tech demo [17:55] wasn't it basically canned because compiz didn't want to support CSD and the only other way was with a bunch of nasty dbus hacks (like what indicators use, except even worse) [17:55] and app menu too of course [17:56] i suppose we'll probably see it around the same time as mir [17:57] that's assuming anyone even still uses ubuntu by then [18:00] ah, the "nobody uses ubuntu" meme [18:03] sorry, i meant to put "unity" :) [18:33] popey: yeah, but I didn't think they were being released in 13.10 ;) [18:35] what version of libssl will be in 13.10? [18:35] http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/fact-sheet-ubuntu-1310-saucy-salamander/ [18:35] !info libssl saucy [18:35] Package libssl does not exist in saucy [18:36] ah right, the old one will be in too [18:37] !info libssl-dev saucy [18:37] libssl-dev (source: openssl): SSL development libraries, header files and documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.1e-3ubuntu1 (saucy), package size 1376 kB, installed size 4844 kB [18:37] if it weren't available, spotify wouldn't work :-( [18:42] Not long now [18:56] hmm, spotify is broken [18:57] Assertion 's' failed at pulse/stream.c:2525, function pa_stream_get_timing_info(). Aborting. [18:57] worked fine yesterday [18:58] popey: it hates you, hate it back works for me :) [18:58] some tracks work [19:03] what governs suspend and resume on ubuntu? mineis misbehaving after years of working fine [19:04] i did a large dist upgrade and the disk space ran out, might be related [19:07]