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| mzanetti | pete-woods: ping | 08:42 |
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| pete-woods | mzanetti: hi | 08:42 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: I was looking into the colors of the infographics. seems that comes from the libusermetrics model. | 08:43 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: can you point me to the right place? | 08:43 |
| pete-woods | mzanetti: yes, basically there's an interface (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/libusermetrics/trunk/view/head:/src/libusermetricsoutput/ColorThemeProvider.h) | 08:44 |
| pete-woods | mzanetti: and a dummy implementation with hard-coded colours (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/libusermetrics/trunk/view/head:/src/libusermetricsoutput/HardCodedColorThemeProvider.h) | 08:44 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: so that's the only place were we get the colors from? | 08:45 |
| pete-woods | mzanetti: at the moment, yes | 08:45 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: we'd need to make that configurable. | 08:45 |
| pete-woods | mzanetti: obvious | 08:45 |
| pete-woods | ly | 08:45 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: not by the user, but for the vendor | 08:45 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: no... I mean right now :D | 08:45 |
| pete-woods | mzanetti: didn't we have this conversation last week? | 08:46 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: yes... I wanted to get it done right now | 08:46 |
| pete-woods | tell me what configuration to read / or if I should just make an API and I'll do it | 08:46 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: I guess we can just read some dconf key in there | 08:46 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: it's probably not something with a big future. but we need to have that configurable somehow for iteration1 | 08:47 |
| pete-woods | okay | 08:47 |
| pete-woods | mzanetti: should I just invent some configuration format to stick into dconf then? | 08:47 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: I'd say yes... keep it simple... 3 color strings (or whatever amount of different colors we need) | 08:48 |
| pete-woods | mzanetti: basically we need 3 colours for each "theme", and should probably support multiple themes | 08:49 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: I think that's not even needed | 08:50 |
| pete-woods | mzanetti: I don't want to have to do this twice, though, and it really won't make it much more difficult | 08:50 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: ok. in that case... feel free | 08:51 |
| pete-woods | mzanetti: do we have a "canonical" way of accessing dconf from Qt? | 08:51 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: gsettings-qt | 08:51 |
| pete-woods | mzanetti: okay, thanks, will use that | 08:51 |
| mzanetti | pete-woods: QGSettings gSettings("com.canonical.Unity.Infographics", "/com/canonical/unity/infographics/"); | 08:52 |
| pete-woods | mzanetti: cool, writing my code for me! :) | 08:53 |
| mzanetti | just copy pasted it from my code and replaced launcher with infographics :D | 08:53 |
| mzanetti | in the hope it saves you 5 minutes | 08:53 |
| pete-woods | probably will! | 08:53 |
| pete-woods | :D | 08:53 |
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| mzanetti | mhr3: ping | 09:27 |
| mhr3 | mzanetti, pong | 09:27 |
| mzanetti | mhr3: hey, how hard is it to do the FIXME in scope.cpp:172 ? | 09:27 |
| mzanetti | // FIXME: Change to use row index. | 09:27 |
| mzanetti | I'd need that | 09:28 |
| mhr3 | mzanetti, why would you need that? | 09:28 |
| mhr3 | also pstolowski wrote that code, he'll know better :) | 09:29 |
| mzanetti | mhr3: because we need to change the previews to be able to swipe them left/right | 09:29 |
| mzanetti | mhr3: and increasing/decreasing the index would be better that somehow finding all the data from a delegate from the outside | 09:29 |
| mhr3 | i do remember someone mentioning the index when the branch was being reviewed, but there was some reason why we kept it this way | 09:31 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: the fixme shouldn't be there anymore, at some point I had a branch that changed it to use index, but it was decided not do so, but unfortunately I don't recall what was the reasoning anymore... | 09:31 |
| mzanetti | mhm... | 09:31 |
| mzanetti | interesting | 09:31 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: was it Saviq? | 09:32 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: let my try to dig up in my logs.. | 09:32 |
| mzanetti | cool, tahnks | 09:33 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti, mhr3 : ok, I found out what was the reason | 09:34 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti, mhr3 : https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity8/use-dee-filtermodel/+merge/171846 made it no longer possible to support index-based activation | 09:35 |
| mhr3 | oh right, cause the activation is on the scope level and not on the category level | 09:36 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: in short, the indices doesn't make sense anymore internally afair, mhr3 can explain.. | 09:36 |
| mhr3 | pstolowski, you home scope fixes didn't do the category sorting, right? | 09:37 |
| mhr3 | pstolowski, would be nice to get that in with the rest of the fixes | 09:37 |
| pstolowski | mhr3: right, I forgot about that.. let me add it to the next one | 09:38 |
| mhr3 | cause now the device shows music first in home | 09:38 |
| mhr3 | instead of apps | 09:38 |
| mhr3 | people will complain :P | 09:38 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: so if I'm in GenericScopeView, how would I get to the information required to open another preview? | 09:40 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: I'm not familar with qml side of things, but essentialy you just pass another row, unless it's the last row in the model | 09:41 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: and you get the preview via onPreviewReady signal | 09:42 |
| asac | 11:40 < asac> anyone can look at ==== unity ==== stack changes here ... http://people.canonical.com/~platform/cu2d/results | 09:42 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: that's the thing... I don't have access to that row | 09:42 |
| asac | 11:40 < asac> and tell me if that changes anything in the ui? | 09:42 |
| asac | 11:40 < asac> those are staged and just wanted to punt them in the archive... just double checking because of the freezes | 09:42 |
| mhr3 | mzanetti, can't you just pass the model + index to your thing and then do model.get(index+1)? | 09:46 |
| mhr3 | dee models do expose get iirc | 09:47 |
| mzanetti | I'm afraid Saviq won't approve that :D | 09:47 |
| pstolowski | hmm | 09:47 |
| mhr3 | mzanetti, imo it's not that terrible if you just do that when you're changing the item | 09:48 |
| mhr3 | ie on user action | 09:48 |
| mhr3 | mzanetti, ultimately, why does this even matter? if you do have the index (which you wanted in the first place) you can just call the get() when activating the item | 09:50 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: essentialy, you want to "advance" to the next/prev item in the model, and perform scope.preview(..) on it; can't it be achieved via a signal from delegate to the parent list? | 09:50 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: no... the delegate is hidden doesn't have anything to do | 09:51 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: the current preview is open and that's the one that needs to trigger loading for the next/previous preview | 09:51 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: ah, ok, got it | 09:52 |
| mzanetti | but yeah... exposing the whole model is probably the best we can... holding the whole model in the preview and call get on next/previous. discarding it when the preview is closed | 09:52 |
| mzanetti | ok... I'll give that a shot | 09:52 |
| mhr3 | mzanetti, if you're touching the preview code it'd also be nice to have immediate response :) | 10:02 |
| mhr3 | cause right now you see preview after clickandhold + whatever time the scope/network takes to return it | 10:02 |
| mhr3 | it'd be cool to open the preview window right after clickandhold and show a spinner | 10:03 |
| mzanetti | mhr3: ack | 10:03 |
| mhr3 | mzanetti, then again designs say that preview should be open on tap, not on clickandhold | 10:03 |
| mzanetti | mhr3: huh? but not for everything, or? | 10:03 |
| mhr3 | mzanetti, right, installed/recent apps are exception | 10:04 |
| mzanetti | mhr3: i.e. launching an installed app would be tedious if having to go through the preview | 10:04 |
| mzanetti | mhr3: but what about the other scopes? i.e. music? should we always go through the previews there? | 10:04 |
| mhr3 | according to designs, yes | 10:05 |
| mzanetti | mhm... | 10:05 |
| mzanetti | well... anyways... doesn't change the fact that it should open right away and show a spinner while loading | 10:05 |
| mhr3 | indeed | 10:05 |
| mzanetti | doesn't really matter to which handler it is connected | 10:05 |
| mhr3 | mzanetti, oh but there's a catch - double tap should "launch" stuff right away | 10:06 |
| mhr3 | no preview | 10:06 |
| mzanetti | ok... I guess that's a different merge than the one with the preview list | 10:06 |
| mhr3 | sure, just something to keep in mind | 10:07 |
| mhr3 | hard to say whether a tap is going to be double one when you receive it :P | 10:07 |
| mhr3 | unless sdk added Oracle {} | 10:07 |
| easd | do you know how to open window spread effect at first click on the launcher, and not the second one? | 10:32 |
| mhr3 | Saviq, got the lock up again :( same trace as in the bug i reported | 10:40 |
| mhr3 | this time it happened as i was closing lots of open apps | 10:40 |
| mhr3 | yey for deadlocks | 10:40 |
| asac | mzanetti: Saviq: can you pleasea look for the unity changes | 10:48 |
| asac | and tell me if they change UI on the desktop? | 10:48 |
| asac | otherwise we cant push the button and thostrsscopes etc. are blocked | 10:48 |
| mzanetti | asac: unity7? | 10:49 |
| asac | http://people.canonical.com/~platform/cu2d/results | 10:49 |
| asac | search for === unity === | 10:49 |
| asac | mzanetti: well check the changes in there | 10:49 |
| asac | quite a lot desktop changes... if that changes UI i need to find an exception | 10:49 |
| mzanetti | I have no idea tbh | 10:50 |
| asac | mzanetti: can you check please? | 10:50 |
| asac | mzanetti: i have even less of an idea | 10:50 |
| asac | or tell me who in unity team can check | 10:51 |
| mzanetti | asac: I wouldn't be so sure about that | 10:51 |
| asac | we want to get that flushed in | 10:51 |
| asac | who is doing this stuff? if we kick it out and it doesnt make saucy is that also fine? | 10:51 |
| mzanetti | asac: better ask Trevinho | 10:51 |
| asac | :) | 10:51 |
| asac | kgunn: ^^ | 10:51 |
| asac | kgunn: who knows about unity desktop? | 10:51 |
| mzanetti | asac: this is unity7... I don't think even kgunn know about it... | 10:51 |
| asac | kgunn: i need someone to check the changes pending and confirm that it doesnt change UI etc. for the freezes | 10:51 |
| asac | mzanetti: if he doesnt care, then we just dont take it and get no more updates in saucy ... i doubt thats the case though :) | 10:52 |
| asac | Trevinho: hi | 10:52 |
| asac | Trevinho: your changes... if you need them better tell us now that they are good :) | 10:52 |
| mzanetti | ChrisTownsend: ^^ | 10:53 |
| mzanetti | mhr3: do you know someone from unity7 that is around at this time? | 10:53 |
| mhr3 | mzanetti, Trevinho andyrock ^^ | 10:54 |
| andyrock | hola :D | 10:54 |
| mzanetti | andyrock: hi... can you answer asac's questions? | 10:54 |
| asac | mhr3: look for === unity === | 10:55 |
| asac | andyrock: ^^ | 10:55 |
| asac | http://people.canonical.com/~platform/cu2d/results | 10:55 |
| asac | tell me if anything in there changes the UI | 10:55 |
| asac | (i dont think so) | 10:55 |
| andyrock | ok let me check | 10:55 |
| andyrock | asac, no changes in UI | 10:58 |
| asac | thanks!! | 10:59 |
| andyrock | np! | 11:07 |
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| dednick | Cimi: ping | 11:24 |
| Cimi | dednick, pong | 11:24 |
| dednick | Cimi: howdy. is ubuntu-settings-components in the archive yet? | 11:25 |
| Cimi | dednick, apt-cache search :) | 11:25 |
| Cimi | dednick, dunno | 11:25 |
| dednick | Cimi: mh. no, it's not | 11:25 |
| dednick | Cimi: we should probably get that in. | 11:26 |
| dednick | sigh. and i choose the day that didrocks is not in... | 11:27 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: why does preview() require all those parameters and not just the uri? | 11:28 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: 2 reasons - 1) we would need to iterate over the model to find the rest (all need to be passed the backend); 2) that assumes uri is unique | 11:30 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: yes... I think the url is unique | 11:30 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: afaics, when I get the previewReady() signal I have no chance it knowing which preview it actually is | 11:31 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: I think we don't want to make that assumption, it bite us in unity7 | 11:31 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: so how can I know which preview this actually is? it seems the Preview class contains none of the identifying items | 11:31 |
| dednick | Cimi: you doing any work on that branch still? | 11:31 |
| Cimi | dednick, it needs to be integrated | 11:32 |
| Cimi | dednick, becoming real widgets... | 11:32 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: and given that we don't have unique id's I would need to have all that stuff in the preview again and compare everything again | 11:32 |
| dednick | Cimi: hm. i want to move all the indicator widgets into there. | 11:36 |
| Cimi | dednick, ok... | 11:36 |
| Cimi | dednick, then import from this package? | 11:37 |
| dednick | Cimi: yeah | 11:37 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: unitycore has the result row already in the preview object, but it's not exposed in the bindings, so it needs to be fixed if we need to match on that | 11:37 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: what's the result row? the index? | 11:38 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: no, that would be a struct or variant that carries actual values (same values you pass when calling activate/preview) | 11:45 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: another possiblity would be to introduce some sort of cancelPreview(...) | 11:45 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: so I would know that the incoming signal is the correct one | 11:45 |
| mzanetti | if always cancelling previous ones | 11:46 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: indeed. that would be handled completly in the bindings (transparent for you) | 11:49 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: ie. preview() request would automatically cancel the previous request | 11:50 |
| mzanetti | which bindings? | 11:50 |
| asac | mzanetti: Saviq: unity8 crashes in automation | 11:50 |
| asac | https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch_ro-mako-smoke-unity8-autopilot/103/? | 11:50 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: ah... yeah... even better. | 11:50 |
| asac | look in build artifacts for the crash | 11:50 |
| asac | file | 11:50 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: do you think you can add that for me? | 11:50 |
| asac | please file a bug | 11:50 |
| asac | we will forget in case it doesnt happen on retry | 11:51 |
| mzanetti | asac: where is the crash happening? | 11:52 |
| asac | mzanetti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1228097 | 11:52 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1228097 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "unity8 and home scope crashes in automation in build 57" [Undecided,New] | 11:52 |
| asac | mzanetti: during unity8 autopilot runs | 11:52 |
| asac | all is in the bug | 11:53 |
| asac | and artifacts | 11:53 |
| asac | the tests succeeded, just systemsettle failed because it apparently was processing the crash files | 11:53 |
| mzanetti | ah... see it | 11:53 |
| asac | in case it doesnt go away | 11:55 |
| asac | i will let you know | 11:55 |
| asac | and get QA escalate it :) | 11:55 |
| asac | lol | 11:55 |
| mzanetti | "lol" is not evil enough... you should uas "muahahaha" | 11:56 |
| mzanetti | s/uas/use/ | 11:56 |
| mzanetti | :) | 11:57 |
| asac | mzanetti: so its happening again | 12:06 |
| asac | mzanetti: seems a real issue... just install 57 image on mako | 12:06 |
| asac | and run unity8 autopilots... i am sure you will hit the crash on 1 or 2nd try | 12:06 |
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| mzanetti | asac: ack | 12:07 |
| Cimi | mzanetti, still keeping cdimage-touch or we can switch to ubuntu-system^ | 12:07 |
| Cimi | ? | 12:07 |
| mzanetti | Cimi: not sure... haven't tried ubuntu-system lately | 12:08 |
| asac | thostr_: ^^ i think home scope is also yours... 57 build always crashes that when running unity8 autopilot | 12:08 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: I will. can you in the meantime rely on the previewReady signal as it is; it shouldn't block you, right? | 12:11 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: no, shouldn't block me... it will "just" cause the wrong preview to show up until this is in | 12:11 |
| mzanetti | when the user scrolls too fast, that is | 12:11 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: exactly | 12:11 |
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| asac | mzanetti: any news :)? | 12:18 |
| asac | sorry... just need info if this issue a) is making the phone not dogfoodable and b) whether it is understood to make an assessment if the current image can go out | 12:18 |
| mzanetti | asac: regarding the crash? no, not yet. I'm kinda in the middle of something | 12:18 |
| asac | mzanetti: well, this one is most important of all :) | 12:19 |
| asac | when can you loko at it? | 12:19 |
| mzanetti | asac: ok... give me a few minutes to bring this to a state where I can interrupt it | 12:20 |
| mzanetti | and I'll look into the crash | 12:20 |
| asac | awesome | 12:20 |
| asac | mzanetti: do you already know enough to give an assessment about impact of dogfoodability in the bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1228097 ? if not, please do once you know and ping me :) | 12:39 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1228097 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "unity8 and home scope crashes in automation in build 57" [Critical,New] | 12:39 |
| asac | thx | 12:39 |
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| Cimi | maguro doesn't lock anymore here with cdimage of 18 sept | 12:55 |
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| Cimi | well, now works :) | 12:57 |
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| mzanetti | pstolowski: hey, about that crash... this is the closest I could come so far: http://paste.kde.org/pf84d9e23/ | 13:01 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: any ideas? | 13:01 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: I suppose it's random? it's in home? | 13:02 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: yes | 13:02 |
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| mzanetti | cwayne: ping | 13:07 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: do I need to be running today's image? any pattern to reproduce? | 13:08 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: yes, todays image and apparently it only happens with the latest unity build | 13:09 |
| pstolowski | mzanetti: I'm flashing and will try to repro. can you install dbg symbols to get better stacktrace? | 13:23 |
| mzanetti | pstolowski: I don't even manage to flash the device... | 13:23 |
| mzanetti | phablet-flash bailed out and I can't recover any more | 13:23 |
| mzanetti | but yes... once I have it back up I will try | 13:23 |
| Saviq | dednick, standup | 13:31 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, ↑ | 13:31 |
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| Cimi | another thing, directionaldragarea uses abbreviations, like maxSpeed instead maximumSpeed | 13:43 |
| Cimi | I think we wanted always to go with full words, right? | 13:43 |
| Cimi | Saviq, dandrader|afk, ok was the "maxSilenceTime" causing the drop of the gesture... | 13:45 |
| Saviq | Cimi, cool | 13:46 |
| Cimi | wondering what a sane value is... | 13:46 |
| Cimi | default is 200ms | 13:46 |
| dednick | Saviq, mzanetti: jenkins ci builds seem to be taking a very long time today... any idea? | 13:49 |
| dednick | #1054 has been going for 5 hours | 13:49 |
| mzanetti | dednick: which job? | 13:49 |
| Saviq | dednick, mzanetti we've switched to real hardware from the vm | 13:50 |
| Saviq | http://10.97.2.10:8080/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-saucy/ | 13:50 |
| Saviq | looks pretty backed up | 13:50 |
| dednick | http://10.97.2.10:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-saucy/ | 13:50 |
| Saviq | dednick, yeah, the hardware is backed up - we seem to be down to two machines that can run autopilot tests | 13:51 |
| Saviq | fginther, any word on that ↑ ? | 13:51 |
| dednick | Saviq: ic. | 13:51 |
| dednick | Saviq: if you get a chance today can you look at the indicator messages merge? https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/unitymenumodel.messages/+merge/181552 | 13:52 |
| dednick | there are a few bugs waiting on it | 13:52 |
| Saviq | dednick, not gonna happen, I'm afraid, flying home in ~2hrs | 13:53 |
| dednick | Saviq: ah ok. I'll bug someone else :) | 13:53 |
| fginther | dednick, Saviq, yes, it's at two machines at the moment. The long queue is the result of a failed machine and jenkins not rescheduling the jobs on the other system correctly | 13:55 |
| fginther | dednick, Saviq, both machines are up and running now, and tests run in about 1/3 the time they did on the VMs | 13:56 |
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| tedg | Hey folks is greyback out today or just at lunch/rebooting ? | 14:03 |
| dandrader | tedg, haven't seem him today. | 14:06 |
| ChrisTownsend | mterry: Hi | 14:12 |
| mzanetti | tedg: he was at the sprint, but didn't show up in the standup. I assume he's on his way home | 14:13 |
| Saviq | fginther, sounds awesome, looking forward toit | 14:13 |
| Saviq | tedg, flying | 14:13 |
| tedg | Cool, thanks guys. | 14:13 |
| Saviq | tedg, actually should be around later today | 14:13 |
| mterry | ChrisTownsend, hello! | 14:13 |
| ChrisTownsend | mterry: Hey, I would like to know if distro agrees with this for Unity7: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/unity/recommend-telepathy-indicator/+merge/186392 | 14:13 |
| Saviq | tedg, well, actually he was on http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW202/history/20130920/0250Z/KBOS/EGLL - so assuming he survived he should be online some time soon | 14:15 |
| mterry | ChrisTownsend, I'm probably not the right person to approve that these days. When did we drop telepathy-indicator? I'm not in-tune with Desktop enough to know whether we want it in or not | 14:16 |
| ChrisTownsend | mterry: Honestly, I'm not really sure what the history is behind this. I'd usually ask sil2100 or didrocks, but they are both out, so I thought maybe you could help. I'll just wait for one of them to be available. Thanks for looking! | 14:17 |
| mterry | ChrisTownsend, seb128 isn't here either... :-/ | 14:18 |
| ChrisTownsend | mterry: Right, he's another I didn't consider, but... | 14:18 |
| mterry | ChrisTownsend, sorry :( I have been working on unity8 this cycle and haven't been paying attention to Desktop movement | 14:19 |
| * tedg finds it a little weird Saviq was tracking greyback's plane | 14:19 | |
| Saviq | tedg, ;) | 14:19 |
| ChrisTownsend | mterry: No worries, thanks for taking a peek anyways. | 14:19 |
| cwayne | mzanetti: hi | 15:11 |
| mzanetti | cwayne: can you please test/review this: https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/libusermetrics/color-themes-gconf/+merge/186770 | 15:12 |
| mzanetti | cwayne: btw... pete-woods is your hero... I didn't do anything in the end | 15:12 |
| cwayne | mzanetti: pete-woods: :D thanks guys, will test that out today | 15:17 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, N900 and N9 being examples of "this can be done" is a rather broken argument ;) | 15:17 |
| mzanetti | no its not | 15:18 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, remember we're not normal people - normal people will leave dozens of apps open at any given time | 15:18 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, try doing that on the N9 | 15:18 |
| mzanetti | I do that too | 15:18 |
| Saviq | well, for me N9 slows down quite a lot, and quickly, when I leave too many apps open | 15:18 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: the only real issue I have with that is GPS apps drain battery. but for that I'd say the solution wouldn't be too hard | 15:19 |
| mzanetti | just stop gps in the qt backend | 15:19 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, there's also misbehaving apps that are "taken care of" when they're stopped | 15:20 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, and TBH, I see no point in the argument about us "not doing multi-tasking well" - the user doesn't even know | 15:20 |
| Saviq | they can do multitasking as they usually would | 15:20 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: oh yes he does. ever used android? | 15:20 |
| mzanetti | everything that's more comples than a fart-app will just behave weird once in the background and brought back | 15:21 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, remember we won't be just killing them for no reason | 15:21 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, while there's memory available, they'd just be stopped | 15:22 |
| mzanetti | games start from the beginning without having your high score saved, every network related app drops connections | 15:22 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, that's just bad apps, not bad multi tasking | 15:22 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: bad apps come from bad developers | 15:22 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: its waaaay more complex to get the state saving correct than not to waste resources | 15:22 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, sure, the gain we get is that bad apps from bad developers won't destabilize your system | 15:23 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: shutting down some task on a signal minimized() is easier to do than storing a uncountable amount of possible combinations for anything | 15:23 |
| mzanetti | at the cost of having much more bad apps | 15:23 |
| mzanetti | nearly all, that is | 15:24 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, I disagree, but even so, it's still better for the user experience | 15:24 |
| dednick | Cimi: ping | 15:24 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: I disagree there... | 15:26 |
| MacSlow | anybody ever ran into this one "WireProtocolVersionMismatch: Wire protocol mismatch at <session bus :1.355 /com/canonical/Autopilot/Introspection>: is 1.3, expecting 1.4" (trying to run autopilot-tests) | 15:26 |
| MacSlow | just pulling updates again, in the hope that will fix the issue... | 15:26 |
| thomi | MacSlow: yes | 15:27 |
| thomi | MacSlow: that means somehow you installed python-autopilot 1.4 on top of saucy | 15:27 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, ppa:autopilot maybe? | 15:27 |
| thomi | MacSlow: there was a period of about 8 hours where the release team accidentally released 1.4 into the archive | 15:28 |
| thomi | MacSlow: so you may need to manually remove it, update, and reinstall | 15:28 |
| MacSlow | thomi, Saviq: *sigh* I don't know... or can't remember... to be honest | 15:28 |
| thomi | MacSlow: if you run 'dpkg -l | grep autopilot' the version numbers should all start with '1.3' or '1.4' if you're running T | 15:28 |
| MacSlow | thomi, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6133175 | 15:30 |
| * MacSlow looks for the PPA now... | 15:30 | |
| thomi | MacSlow: you shouldn't have ppa:autopilot on your system | 15:31 |
| thomi | MacSlow: we release into the archive now | 15:31 |
| Saviq | pstolowski, could you reproduce the unity8/home scope crashes? | 15:32 |
| pstolowski | Saviq: yes (with ap tests) | 15:33 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, ↑ | 15:33 |
| pstolowski | Saviq: and currently prepping a possible fix | 15:34 |
| MacSlow | thomi, in the last weeks I've been deep into ext. snap-decision, thus didn't follow ap at all | 15:34 |
| Saviq | pstolowski, awesome, thanks | 15:34 |
| pstolowski | Saviq: btw, are AP tests restarting unity8 a lot? | 15:34 |
| Saviq | pstolowski, yes | 15:34 |
| Saviq | pstolowski, for each test, more or less | 15:35 |
| pstolowski | Saviq: just once for a test? and there are roughly ~240 tests? | 15:35 |
| Saviq | pstolowski, no, just 50 tests or so | 15:35 |
| pstolowski | hmm | 15:36 |
| pstolowski | mhr3: ^ | 15:36 |
| Saviq | pstolowski, http://10.97.2.10:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-saucy/3060/testReport/? | 15:36 |
| Saviq | pstolowski, and actually ~half of those are gallery app tests | 15:37 |
| Cimi | dednick, pong | 15:37 |
| Saviq | pstolowski, we're at 36 total tests | 15:37 |
| pstolowski | Saviq: ok, thanks | 15:37 |
| MacSlow | thomi, that doesn't look to good... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6133208 | 15:38 |
| dednick | Cimi: hey. was just wondering if you had any specs for the menus in ubuntu-settings-components. Just trying to merge mine into there now. | 15:38 |
| Cimi | dednick, nope... | 15:39 |
| dednick | Cimi: ie. desgins | 15:39 |
| dednick | Cimi: ok | 15:39 |
| thomi | MacSlow: ok, it seems that those packages made it into the next PPA. I'll ask around and see if I can get that fixed. | 15:39 |
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| MacSlow | thomi, how long does that take? | 15:39 |
| MacSlow | thomi, because this is blocking me from working on the ap-tests for the extend snap-decisions | 15:40 |
| thomi | MacSlow: I just asked in #ubuntu-ci-eng | 15:41 |
| thomi | MacSlow: it's not really something I can control | 15:42 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, ^ | 15:42 |
| thomi | MacSlow: I suggest you ask there as well, so we get some traction sooner rather than later | 15:42 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, I can't/should not do an MR for the working ext. snap-decisions without AP-tests, I guess... | 15:43 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, although these not being in trunk blocks pete-woods on some tasks, because he is waiting on the pin-pad support in notifications | 15:44 |
| fginther | MacSlow, hello, I'm trying to help with the autopilot version problem you are having | 15:45 |
| pete-woods | MacSlow: it's not the pin pad support I need, it's just the plain old dialogues I need right now, the wifi selection dialogue would also be nice, but can come later | 15:45 |
| fginther | MacSlow, are you seeing the 1.4 version on your local development machine or somewhere else? | 15:46 |
| MacSlow | fginther, thanks | 15:47 |
| MacSlow | fginther, also just put all my questions in #ubuntu-ci-eng for reference | 15:47 |
| fginther | MacSlow, ok, moving there | 15:47 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, "plain old dialogs" what do you mean by this? | 15:47 |
| pete-woods | MacSlow: as in the simple "password prompt" type dialogue | 15:48 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, those are all depending on the same feature added to notifications and need the same ap-testing... which currently doesn't work. | 15:48 |
| pete-woods | MacSlow: np, I just didn't want you to think I needed more than I actually do | 15:49 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, the password-dialog, login/password-dialog and pin-pad entry extended snap-decisions all work... and I've python-examples to play around with... | 15:49 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, it just that without any ap-tests I cannot make a MR for those hoping it'll get approved and merged. | 15:50 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, and I don't think you'd want to work with non-trunk branches for notifications, or do you? | 15:50 |
| mhr3 | pstolowski, that totally explains it | 15:50 |
| mhr3 | and also makes it test-only failure | 15:51 |
| mhr3 | thostr_1, ^ | 15:51 |
| davmor2 | davidcalle: Is there a way to tell if the "themoviedb.org" scope is working, On the phone and desktop I have typed Iron Man 3, I figured that should trigger a response but all the info options are from wikipedia | 15:51 |
| mhr3 | thostr_1, so it's crashing because the tests are doing what unity doesn't normally do | 15:51 |
| pete-woods | MacSlow: I'm already working with non-trunk unity8 for my development (I'm using your extended-notitications-2 branch) | 15:51 |
| mhr3 | thostr_1, ie restart | 15:51 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, well then you have password, login/password and pinpad already available to you | 15:52 |
| davmor2 | davidcalle: nevermind I lowered it down on desktop | 15:52 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, just let me check the revisions... not that I might be sitting on some, I've not pushed yet | 15:53 |
| davidcalle | davmor2, to check the state of a scope, the easiest way is to activate it directly : eg. themoviedb:iron man 3 | 15:54 |
| davmor2 | davidcalle: ah nice thanks | 15:54 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, all good... you have what you need with the currently available revisions of lp:~macslow/unity8/extended-snap-decisions-2 and lp:~macslow/unity-notifications/extended-snap-decisions-2 | 15:54 |
| pete-woods | MacSlow: yes, my development has not been slowed, all that is blocked is the landing :) | 15:56 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, ok... yeah... sorry about that... I didn't expect autopilot being still such an issue... | 15:56 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, I try to see if I can get around it with the tips from fginther | 15:57 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, really wished myself I'd be able to get these into trunk by today | 15:57 |
| thomi | MacSlow: you really shouldn't be using the next PPA | 15:58 |
| pete-woods | MacSlow: no worries, as long as you don't break the API, I am very happy! | 15:58 |
| davidcalle | davmor2, np | 15:58 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, well I try to avoid breaking API... as much as possible :) | 15:59 |
| davmor2 | davidcalle: hmmm phone is showing no result but the desktop is I'll try it again in bit :) | 15:59 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, and then the "API" is really just a bunch of hint-names | 15:59 |
| MacSlow | pete-woods, libnotify and UnityMenuModel won't change that easily | 16:00 |
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| davidcalle | davmor2, the terrible wifi doesn't allow me to test now on my Nexus7, but there shouldn't be any difference, afaik | 16:04 |
| davmor2 | davidcalle: got it remove the .org and then it works. So just themoviedb:iron man 3 and it shows the same on both :) | 16:08 |
| davidcalle | davmor2, oh cool | 16:11 |
| cwayne | pete-woods: im trying your libusermetrics theming branch, but it FTBFS for me | 16:38 |
| * dednick thinks it a good time to end the day when he spills a glass of water onto desk with about £3000 worth of laptop/phones/tablets on it... | 16:52 | |
| dednick | plus the multi-adapter plug which has another few grands worth of stuff plugged in... | 16:53 |
| dednick | sigh... have a good weekend all. | 16:53 |
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| thomi | dandrader: got a second? | 18:10 |
| dandrader | thomi, yes | 18:10 |
| thomi | dandrader: so for autopilot, I need to be able to see where the shell thinks the mouse pointer is. FOr configurations that are mir/unity8, kgunn suggested you're the person to ask. | 18:11 |
| thomi | dandrader: can we have some sort of simple interface to make that possible? | 18:11 |
| thomi | the current thinking here is that some sort of simple dbus interface might work... | 18:12 |
| dandrader | thomi, yes, it's possible to do such thing | 18:15 |
| dandrader | I mean, it's possible to implement such interface for autopilot to query | 18:15 |
| thomi | dandrader: heh, that's a very carefully worded reply :) | 18:15 |
| dandrader | :) | 18:16 |
| thomi | Before we can do application testing for non-touch platforms on top of mir, we'll need something like this. | 18:16 |
| thomi | since that's likely to happen in the next cycle, I think it might be wise to schedule this for sometime in the next few months. What do you think? | 18:17 |
| dandrader | thomi, you mean testing unity8-mir for the desktop form factor? | 18:19 |
| thomi | dandrader: not just unity8, but anything running within it. | 18:19 |
| dandrader | thomi, because I didn't hear a word about getting it implemented yet... | 18:20 |
| thomi | dandrader: my understanding is that that is supposed to wkr (although opt-in) in 6 months time. | 18:20 |
| dandrader | thomi, ah, you mean xmir | 18:20 |
| thomi | no | 18:20 |
| thomi | I mean mir + unity8 | 18:20 |
| thomi | opt in for 14.04 | 18:20 |
| dandrader | thomi, interesting. that's news for me. | 18:21 |
| thomi | I'm sure kgunn will confirm that - sorry you had to find out this way :P | 18:22 |
| kgunn | dandrader: its always been that way...but hey for unity8, you can already run no desktop...so the real key is rrunning with mir :) | 18:23 |
| thomi | dandrader: kgunn: So I'll add a bug task to unity8, and assign it to.... someone? | 18:23 |
| dandrader | kgunn, it will just look like a huge tablet. | 18:23 |
| thomi | dandrader perhaps? | 18:23 |
| dandrader | thomi, fine by me | 18:24 |
| kgunn | dandrader: yeah ;) | 18:24 |
| thomi | dandrader: consider yourself pressganged: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1169362 | 18:25 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1169362 in Autopilot "Need a mouse backend that uses UInput" [High,Triaged] | 18:25 |
| dandrader | :) | 18:25 |
| dandrader | thomi, so the milestone would be 14.04? | 18:26 |
| dandrader | (for the unity8 side of that bug) | 18:26 |
| thomi | dandrader: well, hopefully before 14.04 is released, but yeah | 18:27 |
| thomi | if I had my way it'd be in the next 12 weeks | 18:27 |
| dandrader | thomi, do your way | 18:31 |
| dandrader | s/do/done | 18:32 |
| thomi | :) | 18:32 |
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| mzanetti | dandrader: ping | 18:37 |
| dandrader | mzanetti, pong | 18:37 |
| mzanetti | dandrader: this just happened when I wanted to drag down indicators: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6133905/ | 18:37 |
| * dandrader realizes it's Friday night in Germany | 18:37 | |
| mzanetti | dandrader: yeah... it is :/ | 18:42 |
| dandrader | mzanetti, hmm, at least it seems to be easy to avoit this crash. check if DirectionalDragArea::fetchTargetTouchPoint returned a valid touch point instead of null | 18:43 |
| dandrader | before using it | 18:43 |
| dandrader | null meaning that it din't find it | 18:43 |
| mzanetti | dandrader: yeah... I've seen that. | 18:43 |
| dandrader | mzanetti, the hard/curious part is how did we get into such state | 18:43 |
| dandrader | where the touch that's doing se gesture seemingly vanished... | 18:44 |
| dandrader | s/se/the | 18:44 |
| mzanetti | dandrader: yep. that's when I pinged you... I figured in a method called touchEvent_recognized() the touch event actually shouldn't be 0 | 18:44 |
| dandrader | mzanetti, is it hard to reproduce? | 18:45 |
| mzanetti | dandrader: not sure... I realized more often crashes when trying to reveal something... but this is the first time I actually got a trace (because was in the middle of deugging something else) | 18:45 |
| mzanetti | dandrader: I didn't do much actually... unity started up, opened the phone app, did a phone call, and when that ended I tried dragging down the indicators and bam | 18:47 |
| dandrader | mzanetti, can you file a bug report with the info you got? | 18:48 |
| mzanetti | dandrader: if only I would be able to reproduce :/ | 18:48 |
| dandrader | maybe the theme here is "making DirectionalDragArea resilient about disappeasing/inconsistent touch events" | 18:49 |
| dandrader | but it could also be that touch events are coming fine but DDA messed up in a different way but ended up crashing just there | 18:50 |
| mzanetti | dandrader: yeah... I believe more in the second one | 18:51 |
| dandrader | mzanetti, nah, DDA is perfectly engineered! | 18:51 |
| mzanetti | haha | 18:51 |
| mzanetti | famous last words | 18:51 |
| mzanetti | dandrader: bug reported | 18:55 |
| mzanetti | have a nice weekend | 18:55 |
| dandrader | mzanetti, you too! | 18:59 |
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| mterry | Can anyone explain if there's anything special I have to do as a shell to have the OSK work? | 20:37 |
| mterry | (I'm implementing the first-boot welcome screens, which runs outside of unity, and I'm not seeing it come up) | 20:38 |
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