| mainque | Hello | 01:34 |
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| Unit193 | Bye. | 01:35 |
| bluesabre | haha | 01:53 |
| === forestpi1kie is now known as forestpiskie | ||
| ochosi | ali1234: indeed, sometimes the icon is there, sometimes it isn't... | 09:07 |
| ochosi | almost 50/50 here | 09:07 |
| bluesabre | micahg: any way we could get this merged? https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/keyboard-shortcuts/+merge/182352 | 10:02 |
| === cub_ is now known as cub | ||
| ochosi | micahg: can you please update the seed-file to install gtk-theme-config by default? | 14:12 |
| smartboyhw | ^ \o/ | 14:23 |
| slickymaster | knome: ping | 14:56 |
| brainwash | ochosi: lp bug #1226509 | 14:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1226509 in Light Display Manager "lightdm_get_can_restart returns false in Ubuntu Saucy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226509 | 14:57 |
| elfy | brainwash: is that you on LP? | 14:58 |
| brainwash | ochosi: when I logout of the xubuntu session, "gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --method org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanReboot" resturns returns "('challange',)" instead of "('yes',)" | 14:58 |
| brainwash | ochosi: so the restart menu entry won't show up | 15:00 |
| brainwash | elfy: well, it's my LP account, but not my real name | 15:00 |
| elfy | thanks - like to know who people are where I can :) | 15:01 |
| elfy | funnily enough elfy isn't my real name either :D | 15:01 |
| brainwash | and here is the missing key bug report: #1227637 | 15:02 |
| brainwash | lp bug #1227637 | 15:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1227637 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "non existing key specified in override file" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227637 | 15:03 |
| brainwash | ochosi: we should add systemd to the list of affected packages, or? | 15:07 |
| slickymaster | knome: never mind, got it solved | 15:09 |
| ochosi | brainwash: thanks for the testing/debugging | 15:21 |
| brainwash | ochosi: maybe there is even something wrong with polkit, actually.. I have no clue what I am doing :) | 15:22 |
| elfy | well you're doing more than me - I'd not have a clue how to get that far :) | 15:23 |
| ochosi | i pinged robert about it, we'll see what he says | 15:23 |
| ochosi | but if he doesn't get back to me, plz add your info to the bugreport | 15:23 |
| brainwash | might be interesting to know if lubuntu is affected too | 15:25 |
| ochosi | as they use the same greeter etc, i'm pretty sure they're affected as well | 15:26 |
| brainwash | so it's unlikely that xfce4-session is doing some manipulation? | 15:26 |
| ochosi | not sure, i'm waiting for robert's feedback | 15:26 |
| brainwash | ok :) | 15:26 |
| ochosi | he's first hunch was that it's a polkit issue | 15:26 |
| ochosi | btw, as long as i'm in my running session, it returns "yes" | 15:27 |
| brainwash | yes | 15:27 |
| brainwash | checking some polkit stuff at them moment | 15:27 |
| ochosi | brainwash: how do you run the command btw? on a separate VT? if so, from what user? | 15:32 |
| brainwash | ochosi: tty1 | 15:38 |
| brainwash | same user | 15:38 |
| ochosi | hm | 15:38 |
| ochosi | at least when i lock the screen, i get "yes", but the menuitem still isn't there | 15:38 |
| ochosi | curious | 15:38 |
| brainwash | CanShutdown still returns "yes" | 15:38 |
| brainwash | shouldn't the unity greeter be affected too? | 15:41 |
| ochosi | possible | 15:42 |
| ochosi | i never use that | 15:42 |
| ochosi | but if you can test it, that'd be great | 15:42 |
| ochosi | i'm currently running out of battery | 15:42 |
| ochosi | bbabl | 15:42 |
| brainwash | ok, later | 15:42 |
| bluesabre | get ready, unity-greeter pulls all of unity | 15:43 |
| bluesabre | and some of those indicators seem to crash out the indicator-plugin | 15:43 |
| brainwash | yea, that would kill my system | 15:43 |
| brainwash | same for gdm | 15:44 |
| brainwash | but maybe there is someone in this channel who is running various test installations :) | 15:46 |
| elfy | brainwash: well I would look - but trying to get to tty1 in a vbox doesn't work | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | yeah it does | 16:34 |
| ali1234 | press right ctrl + f1 | 16:34 |
| elfy | just found that :) | 16:34 |
| brainwash | elfy: are you running a copy of lubuntu or default ubuntu in a vm? | 16:36 |
| brainwash | just curious, if the menu entry for "restart" is only missing when using Xubuntu | 16:37 |
| brainwash | (the lightdm greeter menu entry) | 16:37 |
| brainwash | after first logout | 16:38 |
| brainwash | it's present when you boot the pc, before graphical login | 16:38 |
| elfy | present on logout in ubuntu | 16:39 |
| elfy | brainwash: it's a vm - trying to work out how to do gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --method org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanReboot when logged out :) | 16:39 |
| brainwash | well, switch to tty1 and login | 16:40 |
| elfy | brainwash: get challenge from tty1 | 16:42 |
| brainwash | same here | 16:42 |
| brainwash | and the value of "CanShutdown" ? | 16:43 |
| elfy | gets an error | 16:44 |
| brainwash | uhm, "CanPoweroff" | 16:44 |
| elfy | gets yes | 16:45 |
| brainwash | that's the ubuntu machine? | 16:45 |
| elfy | yep | 16:45 |
| elfy | anything else you want me to check in tty1 - I'll screenshot the errors | 16:45 |
| brainwash | ok, pretty strange, that the values are not the same | 16:45 |
| elfy | not the same as Xubuntu ? or not the same as each other? | 16:46 |
| brainwash | "challenge" would imply that a multiuser session is running | 16:46 |
| brainwash | same for Xubuntu | 16:46 |
| brainwash | but the method to query and evaluate this values might be somewhat different | 16:47 |
| elfy | xubuntu get's different at tty1? | 16:47 |
| brainwash | no | 16:47 |
| brainwash | :D | 16:47 |
| elfy | and restart is definitely there by the way | 16:48 |
| brainwash | an easy workaround would be threat "challenge" like "yes" | 16:48 |
| brainwash | and show the restart option when displaying the light gtk greeter | 16:49 |
| brainwash | elfy: thanks for testing :) | 16:49 |
| elfy | welcome | 16:49 |
| elfy | least I can do :) | 16:49 |
| brainwash | guess we have to wait for a response from the lightdm expert | 16:49 |
| elfy | that'll not be me :p | 16:50 |
| elfy | I'll leave the vm available for a while before I kill it | 16:51 |
| ochosi | brainwash: the workaround is no good | 16:52 |
| ochosi | this has to be fixed properly | 16:52 |
| ochosi | i'll take a look at how unity-greeter queries for the restart-button | 16:52 |
| ochosi | thanks for testing this, guys | 16:53 |
| elfy | :) | 16:54 |
| ochosi | elfy: where is the reboot-thingy located in the unity-greeter? | 16:56 |
| ochosi | brainwash: btw, --no-install-recommends and it doesn't pull in unity (the unity-greeter i mean) | 16:57 |
| ochosi | brb | 16:57 |
| bluesabre | nice to know | 16:57 |
| elfy | ochosi: in the shutdown menu - same place as ours | 17:00 |
| ochosi | so, even with unity-greeter, the dbus-call results in "challenge" | 17:18 |
| ochosi | instead of "yes" | 17:18 |
| ochosi | but as they use indicator-session for the shutdown-menu (which we could do as well in xubuntu, btw) and that one seems to have a different way of checking... | 17:18 |
| elfy | ochosi: gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --method org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanReboot got me 'challenge' | 17:19 |
| ochosi | yes | 17:19 |
| ochosi | that's confirmed now | 17:19 |
| ochosi | and that's the reason why the greeter doesn't show the restart-menuitem | 17:19 |
| ochosi | because it expects "yes" | 17:19 |
| elfy | yep understood | 17:20 |
| knome | skellat, thanks for chiming in with bug 1228098, though i kind of wanted to make sure we prepare the bug first, then ask for an ACK (and seems like we have the wonderful mr_pouit to upload those packages for us) | 18:07 |
| ubottu | bug 1228098 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Upload the default wallpaper for Saucy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228098 | 18:07 |
| brainwash | ochosi: regarding the polkit (or policykit^^) issue, the mystery is kinda solved | 19:35 |
| ochosi | brainwash: aha? | 19:35 |
| brainwash | open /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.login1.policy and compare the attributes of | 19:36 |
| brainwash | <action id="org.freedesktop.login1.reboot-multiple-sessions"> | 19:36 |
| brainwash | and | 19:36 |
| brainwash | <action id="org.freedesktop.login1.poweroff-multiple-sessions"> | 19:36 |
| brainwash | the values for <allow_active> differ | 19:37 |
| brainwash | setting it to "yes" restores the restart menu entry | 19:38 |
| ochosi | indeed | 19:38 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: any clue what we should do about that? ^ ask robert again? | 19:38 |
| ochosi | brainwash: could you add that to the bugreport so i can bug robert again? | 19:40 |
| brainwash | ochosi: well, you can do it too, won't take any credits from me, because my account is a fake one anyway :) | 19:42 |
| ochosi | can do later, now i have to file a FFe | 19:43 |
| knome | (: | 19:43 |
| brainwash | but damn, I have learned so much about lightdm, systemd/logind and policykit | 19:44 |
| ochosi | feel free to help us with patches then in the greeter ;) | 19:44 |
| brainwash | yea, doing my best :) | 19:46 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: could you at some point do a new release of the indicator-plugin to fix the sound-menu scrolling? | 19:49 |
| ochosi | brainwash: ok, updated the bugreport and subscribed robert_ancell to it | 20:07 |
| ochosi | he can hopefully give us some direction | 20:07 |
| elfy | ochosi: which bug is it - I keep losing it :| | 20:08 |
| ochosi | elfy: the reboot-menuitem missing in the greeter | 20:08 |
| ochosi | aka 1226509 | 20:08 |
| elfy | ta | 20:08 |
| ochosi | aka bug 1226509 | 20:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1226509 in Light Display Manager "lightdm_get_can_restart returns false in Ubuntu Saucy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226509 | 20:09 |
| brainwash | nice, and robert already fixed lightdm --test-mode, finally things start to work again, one by one :) | 20:10 |
| ochosi | yup | 20:11 |
| ochosi | but we have to spot the bugs and report them one by one... | 20:11 |
| ochosi | tons of regressions in the 1.7 cycle | 20:11 |
| ochosi | that is really the opposite of careful pushing updates | 20:11 |
| brainwash | bleeding edge =S | 20:12 |
| ochosi | yeah, just not as openly as fedora | 20:13 |
| brainwash | so glad that Ubuntu didn't switch to the rolling release model | 20:13 |
| ochosi | yeah phew | 20:14 |
| ochosi | well development would happen differently then, hopfully | 20:14 |
| ochosi | hopefully | 20:14 |
| ochosi | or at least uploading | 20:14 |
| ochosi | brainwash: btw, the bug with the menu will be tackled in greybird | 20:16 |
| ochosi | we'll keep the menu in the greeter | 20:16 |
| ochosi | we still have to test whether it happens in other themes too | 20:16 |
| brainwash | language menu? | 20:16 |
| ochosi | no, contextmenu | 20:16 |
| brainwash | ah | 20:16 |
| brainwash | ok | 20:16 |
| ochosi | what's the deal with the language menu? | 20:16 |
| brainwash | you can disable the language indicator, but a white pixel will remain | 20:17 |
| brainwash | bug 1191509 | 20:17 |
| ubottu | bug 1191509 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "Disabling language selector leaves strange artifact on the screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1191509 | 20:17 |
| brainwash | very low priority bug I guess | 20:17 |
| ochosi | yeah, but still worth fixing | 20:18 |
| ochosi | no clue why that happens though | 20:18 |
| ochosi | brb | 20:18 |
| brainwash | same, back in 20min | 20:18 |
| elfy | back tomorrow - night | 20:19 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: yeah, go with robert | 20:31 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: already did (by subscribing him) | 20:36 |
| ochosi | skellat: thanks for weighing in! | 20:37 |
| brainwash | ochosi: shouldn't there be a condition for this line to check, if the language indicator is disabled or not? | 21:18 |
| brainwash | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/lightdm-gtk-greeter.c#L1609 | 21:18 |
| ochosi | brainwash: the check is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/lightdm-gtk-greeter.c#L1735 | 22:20 |
| andrzejr | bluesabre, which indicators are crashing indicator plugin? | 22:25 |
| bluesabre | not sure, I kinda tossed out all the ones that came with unity when it started happening | 22:26 |
| bluesabre | I'd say appmenu was probably one culprit | 22:26 |
| andrzejr | bluesable, appmenu does not show up at all here (13.10+gtk3) | 22:27 |
| andrzejr | it kind of works on 13.04, though | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | it showed up for me | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | 13.10+gtk3 | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | but seemed crashy | 22:28 |
| ochosi | i guess appmenu should be blacklisted by default | 22:28 |
| ochosi | it's trouble | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | does the blacklist currently work? | 22:28 |
| andrzejr | yes, blacklist and whitelist | 22:28 |
| andrzejr | but require panel restart | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | yeah, I'd definitely go ahead and blacklist appmenu, having the menu with the system indicators is silly anyway :) | 22:29 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: you can add a second plugin though to the panel | 22:29 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: and only show the appmenu there | 22:29 |
| bluesabre | oh | 22:29 |
| ochosi | but still, it's too crashy atm | 22:29 |
| ochosi | woo, longstanding shimmer-themes bug fixed | 22:30 |
| bluesabre | woot | 22:30 |
| bluesabre | which one? | 22:30 |
| ochosi | albatross titlebar | 22:30 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: btw, if you have an opinion on bug #1226200... | 22:32 |
| ubottu | bug 1226200 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Install/upgrade failure when numix-gtk-theme PPA package present" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226200 | 22:32 |
| andrzejr | ochosi, greybird has some usability issues (xfwm4 theme) | 22:32 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: which ones? | 22:32 |
| andrzejr | 1px border thickness and low contrast between active/inactive title bar | 22:32 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: yup, can't do anything without breaking the themes out on their own | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | would've been nice if satya/georgi just used our daily ppa | 22:33 |
| knome | ochosi, tbh, the PPA owner should change the directory, not the approved package. | 22:33 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: the border is actually 2px (because of a rendering-bug in Xorg it seems, introduced in 12.10 iirc) | 22:33 |
| andrzejr | (sorry if I have already told you that before) | 22:33 |
| knome | s/approved package/package in the official repositories/ | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | ah | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | +1 | 22:34 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: the low contrast between in/active was discussed before and it's not *that* little. anyway, the appropriate thing would be using gtk3's inactive window style... | 22:34 |
| ochosi | knome: feel free to chime in with my last comment then (e.g. use the shimmer-daily ppa) and close as wontfix | 22:34 |
| ochosi | (that was my evil plan when i asked >:D) | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | and satya can add conflicts to shimmer-themes (>= 13.10) | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | s/to/for | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | (to their numix-gtk-theme package) | 22:36 |
| ochosi | ok, forwarded to satya | 22:37 |
| knome | closed | 22:38 |
| ochosi | ty | 22:38 |
| * bluesabre tried to get his xubuntu-to-do list together | 22:38 | |
| bluesabre | *tries | 22:38 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: if you have a suggestion for increasing the contrast, lemme know though! | 22:38 |
| * bluesabre cannot type today | 22:38 | |
| andrzejr | ochosi, yes, it is better than it used to be but still on the "hard to use" side. | 22:39 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: or post a screenshot | 22:39 |
| andrzejr | ochosi, is it possible (feasible) to change gtk colors between active/inactive windows? | 22:40 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: it's possible and implemented in gtk3 | 22:40 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: the whole inactive window gets dimmed | 22:40 |
| ochosi | (one of the nicer features of gtk3 imo) | 22:41 |
| bluesabre | sometimes | 22:41 |
| bluesabre | slows things down tremendously in Ambiance/Radiance since the whole style changes | 22:41 |
| ochosi | hm | 22:41 |
| ochosi | that sucks then | 22:41 |
| bluesabre | it should have a label | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | *use sparingly* | 22:42 |
| andrzejr | ochosi, I don't see that in 13.10 + Greybird/master | 22:42 |
| ochosi | i could never test it because it isn't really integrated in greybird, because in xfce it doesn't make much sense | 22:42 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: ^ ;) | 22:42 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: same with the "dark style" btw, that apps can request | 22:43 |
| ochosi | i also don't support that because xfwm4 doesnt | 22:44 |
| andrzejr | ochosi, still I would rather have mismatched colors between the title bar and gtk widgets if that had more contrast. | 22:44 |
| ochosi | well the reason is different for those two features | 22:44 |
| ochosi | dark style: xfwm4 doesn't support gtk3 and therefore no dark style | 22:45 |
| ochosi | inactive windows: no gtk3 core in xfce, so it will look incredibly mixed if i add this style for gtk3 apps | 22:45 |
| ochosi | i assume that with xfwm4 the plan is to wait until wayland is all over the place and then xfwm4 can simply be scrapped | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | wow | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | that would be some time away | 22:47 |
| ochosi | well, isn't the gtk3 port of xfce too? | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | heh | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | fair enough | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | though technically, I think gtk2 is no longer receiving any updates whatsoever, so its going to start disappearing a bit quicker now | 22:48 |
| ochosi | yeah, but there don't seem to be terrible terrible bugs in it either | 22:49 |
| andrzejr | ochosi, fyi, I find Moheli almost perfect. The only thing I would change is having a smooth transition between the title bar and gtk widgets in inactive windows. | 22:49 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: ah, i used to use moheli when i started using xfce! | 22:50 |
| knome | new ubiquity version is uploaded | 23:17 |
| bluesabre | woop! | 23:18 |
| bluesabre | iso testing tomorrow | 23:18 |
| knome | well the beta 2 freeze is on monday | 23:18 |
| knome | but yeah, it wouldn't hurt to boot up some testing machines tomorrow either to check if everything is in place | 23:19 |
| knome | ok, i'm off for today | 23:20 |
| bluesabre | seeya knome! | 23:21 |
| knome | i'll be off most of today, but i'll be around in the evening (approximately 20UTC at latest, but probably earlier) | 23:21 |
| knome | good night everybody and thanks for all the hard work today! | 23:21 |
| ochosi | hf and night | 23:21 |
| knome | ...heh, s/most of today/most of tomorrow/ ;) | 23:22 |
| knome | -> | 23:22 |
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