[01:34] <mainque> Hello
[01:35] <Unit193> Bye.
[01:53] <bluesabre> haha
[09:07] <ochosi> ali1234: indeed, sometimes the icon is there, sometimes it isn't...
[09:07] <ochosi> almost 50/50 here
[10:02] <bluesabre> micahg: any way we could get this merged? https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/keyboard-shortcuts/+merge/182352
[14:12] <ochosi> micahg: can you please update the seed-file to install gtk-theme-config by default?
[14:23] <smartboyhw> ^ \o/
[14:56] <slickymaster> knome: ping
[14:57] <brainwash> ochosi: lp bug #1226509
[14:58] <elfy> brainwash: is that you on LP?
[14:58] <brainwash> ochosi: when I logout of the xubuntu session, "gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --method org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanReboot" resturns returns "('challange',)" instead of "('yes',)"
[15:00] <brainwash> ochosi: so the restart menu entry won't show up
[15:00] <brainwash> elfy: well, it's my LP account, but not my real name
[15:01] <elfy> thanks - like to know who people are where I can :)
[15:01] <elfy> funnily enough elfy isn't my real name either :D
[15:02] <brainwash> and here is the missing key bug report: #1227637
[15:03] <brainwash> lp bug #1227637
[15:07] <brainwash> ochosi: we should add systemd to the list of affected packages, or?
[15:09] <slickymaster> knome: never mind, got it solved
[15:21] <ochosi> brainwash: thanks for the testing/debugging
[15:22] <brainwash> ochosi: maybe there is even something wrong with polkit, actually.. I have no clue what I am doing :)
[15:23] <elfy> well you're doing more than me - I'd not have a clue how to get that far :)
[15:23] <ochosi> i pinged robert about it, we'll see what he says
[15:23] <ochosi> but if he doesn't get back to me, plz add your info to the bugreport
[15:25] <brainwash> might be interesting to know if lubuntu is affected too
[15:26] <ochosi> as they use the same greeter etc, i'm pretty sure they're affected as well
[15:26] <brainwash> so it's unlikely that xfce4-session is doing some manipulation?
[15:26] <ochosi> not sure, i'm waiting for robert's feedback
[15:26] <brainwash> ok :)
[15:26] <ochosi> he's first hunch was that it's a polkit issue
[15:27] <ochosi> btw, as long as i'm in my running session, it returns "yes"
[15:27] <brainwash> yes
[15:27] <brainwash> checking some polkit stuff at them moment
[15:32] <ochosi> brainwash: how do you run the command btw? on a separate VT? if so, from what user?
[15:38] <brainwash> ochosi: tty1
[15:38] <brainwash> same user
[15:38] <ochosi> hm
[15:38] <ochosi> at least when i lock the screen, i get "yes", but the menuitem still isn't there
[15:38] <ochosi> curious
[15:38] <brainwash> CanShutdown still returns "yes"
[15:41] <brainwash> shouldn't the unity greeter be affected too?
[15:42] <ochosi> possible
[15:42] <ochosi> i never use that
[15:42] <ochosi> but if you can test it, that'd be great
[15:42] <ochosi> i'm currently running out of battery
[15:42] <ochosi> bbabl
[15:42] <brainwash> ok, later
[15:43] <bluesabre> get ready, unity-greeter pulls all of unity
[15:43] <bluesabre> and some of those indicators seem to crash out the indicator-plugin
[15:43] <brainwash> yea, that would kill my system
[15:44] <brainwash> same for gdm
[15:46] <brainwash> but maybe there is someone in this channel who is running various test installations :)
[16:32] <elfy> brainwash: well I would look - but trying to get to tty1 in a vbox doesn't work
[16:34] <ali1234> yeah it does
[16:34] <ali1234> press right ctrl + f1
[16:34] <elfy> just found that :)
[16:36] <brainwash> elfy: are you running a copy of lubuntu or default ubuntu in a vm?
[16:37] <brainwash> just curious, if the menu entry for "restart" is only missing when using Xubuntu
[16:37] <brainwash> (the lightdm greeter menu entry)
[16:38] <brainwash> after first logout
[16:38] <brainwash> it's present when you boot the pc, before graphical login
[16:39] <elfy> present on logout in ubuntu
[16:39] <elfy> brainwash: it's a vm - trying to work out how to do gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --method org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanReboot when logged out :)
[16:40] <brainwash> well, switch to tty1 and login
[16:42] <elfy> brainwash: get challenge from tty1
[16:42] <brainwash> same here
[16:43] <brainwash> and the value of "CanShutdown" ?
[16:44] <elfy> gets an error
[16:44] <brainwash> uhm, "CanPoweroff"
[16:45] <elfy> gets yes
[16:45] <brainwash> that's the ubuntu machine?
[16:45] <elfy> yep
[16:45] <elfy> anything else you want me to check in tty1 - I'll screenshot the errors
[16:45] <brainwash> ok, pretty strange, that the values are not the same
[16:46] <elfy> not the  same as Xubuntu ? or not the same as each other? 
[16:46] <brainwash> "challenge" would imply that a multiuser session is running
[16:46] <brainwash> same for Xubuntu
[16:47] <brainwash> but the method to query and evaluate this values might be somewhat different
[16:47] <elfy> xubuntu get's different at tty1? 
[16:47] <brainwash> no
[16:47] <brainwash> :D
[16:48] <elfy> and restart is definitely there by the way 
[16:48] <brainwash> an easy workaround would be threat "challenge" like "yes"
[16:49] <brainwash> and show the restart option when displaying the light gtk greeter
[16:49] <brainwash> elfy: thanks for testing :)
[16:49] <elfy> welcome 
[16:49] <elfy> least I can do :)
[16:49] <brainwash> guess we have to wait for a response from the lightdm expert
[16:50] <elfy> that'll not be me :p
[16:51] <elfy> I'll leave the vm available for a while before I kill it 
[16:52] <ochosi> brainwash: the workaround is no good
[16:52] <ochosi> this has to be fixed properly
[16:52] <ochosi> i'll take a look at how unity-greeter queries for the restart-button
[16:53] <ochosi> thanks for testing this, guys
[16:54] <elfy> :)
[16:56] <ochosi> elfy: where is the reboot-thingy located in the unity-greeter?
[16:57] <ochosi> brainwash: btw, --no-install-recommends and it doesn't pull in unity (the unity-greeter i mean)
[16:57] <ochosi> brb
[16:57] <bluesabre> nice to know
[17:00] <elfy> ochosi: in the shutdown menu - same place as ours
[17:18] <ochosi> so, even with unity-greeter, the dbus-call results in "challenge"
[17:18] <ochosi> instead of "yes"
[17:18] <ochosi> but as they use indicator-session for the shutdown-menu (which we could do as well in xubuntu, btw) and that one seems to have a different way of checking...
[17:19] <elfy> ochosi: gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --method org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanReboot got me 'challenge'
[17:19] <ochosi> yes
[17:19] <ochosi> that's confirmed now
[17:19] <ochosi> and that's the reason why the greeter doesn't show the restart-menuitem
[17:19] <ochosi> because it expects "yes"
[17:20] <elfy> yep understood
[18:07] <knome> skellat, thanks for chiming in with bug 1228098, though i kind of wanted to make sure we prepare the bug first, then ask for an ACK (and seems like we have the wonderful mr_pouit to upload those packages for us)
[19:35] <brainwash> ochosi: regarding the polkit (or policykit^^) issue, the mystery is kinda solved
[19:35] <ochosi> brainwash: aha?
[19:36] <brainwash> open /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.login1.policy and compare the attributes of
[19:36] <brainwash> <action id="org.freedesktop.login1.reboot-multiple-sessions">
[19:36] <brainwash> and
[19:36] <brainwash> <action id="org.freedesktop.login1.poweroff-multiple-sessions">
[19:37] <brainwash> the values for <allow_active> differ
[19:38] <brainwash> setting it to "yes" restores the restart menu entry
[19:38] <ochosi> indeed
[19:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: any clue what we should do about that? ^ ask robert again?
[19:40] <ochosi> brainwash: could you add that to the bugreport so i can bug robert again?
[19:42] <brainwash> ochosi: well, you can do it too, won't take any credits from me, because my account is a fake one anyway :)
[19:43] <ochosi> can do later, now i have to file a FFe
[19:43] <knome> (:
[19:44] <brainwash> but damn, I have learned so much about lightdm, systemd/logind and policykit
[19:44] <ochosi> feel free to help us with patches then in the greeter ;)
[19:46] <brainwash> yea, doing my best :)
[19:49] <ochosi> andrzejr: could you at some point do a new release of the indicator-plugin to fix the sound-menu scrolling?
[20:07] <ochosi> brainwash: ok, updated the bugreport and subscribed robert_ancell to it
[20:07] <ochosi> he can hopefully give us some direction
[20:08] <elfy> ochosi: which bug is it - I keep losing it :|
[20:08] <ochosi> elfy: the reboot-menuitem missing in the greeter
[20:08] <ochosi> aka 1226509
[20:08] <elfy> ta
[20:08] <ochosi> aka bug 1226509
[20:10] <brainwash> nice, and robert already fixed lightdm --test-mode, finally things start to work again, one by one :)
[20:11] <ochosi> yup
[20:11] <ochosi> but we have to spot the bugs and report them one by one...
[20:11] <ochosi> tons of regressions in the 1.7 cycle
[20:11] <ochosi> that is really the opposite of careful pushing updates
[20:12] <brainwash> bleeding edge =S
[20:13] <ochosi> yeah, just not as openly as fedora
[20:13] <brainwash> so glad that Ubuntu didn't switch to the rolling release model
[20:14] <ochosi> yeah phew
[20:14] <ochosi> well development would happen differently then, hopfully
[20:14] <ochosi> hopefully
[20:14] <ochosi> or at least uploading
[20:16] <ochosi> brainwash: btw, the bug with the menu will be tackled in greybird
[20:16] <ochosi> we'll keep the menu in the greeter
[20:16] <ochosi> we still have to test whether it happens in other themes too
[20:16] <brainwash> language menu?
[20:16] <ochosi> no, contextmenu
[20:16] <brainwash> ah
[20:16] <brainwash> ok
[20:16] <ochosi> what's the deal with the language menu?
[20:17] <brainwash> you can disable the language indicator, but a white pixel will remain
[20:17] <brainwash> bug 1191509
[20:17] <brainwash> very low priority bug I guess
[20:18] <ochosi> yeah, but still worth fixing
[20:18] <ochosi> no clue why that happens though
[20:18] <ochosi> brb
[20:18] <brainwash> same, back in 20min
[20:19] <elfy> back tomorrow - night
[20:31] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, go with robert
[20:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: already did (by subscribing him)
[20:37] <ochosi> skellat: thanks for weighing in!
[21:18] <brainwash> ochosi: shouldn't there be a condition for this line to check, if the language indicator is disabled or not?
[21:18] <brainwash> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/lightdm-gtk-greeter.c#L1609
[22:20] <ochosi> brainwash: the check is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/lightdm-gtk-greeter.c#L1735
[22:25] <andrzejr> bluesabre, which indicators are crashing indicator plugin?
[22:26] <bluesabre> not sure, I kinda tossed out all the ones that came with unity when it started happening
[22:26] <bluesabre> I'd say appmenu was probably one culprit
[22:27] <andrzejr> bluesable, appmenu does not show up at all here (13.10+gtk3)
[22:28] <andrzejr> it kind of works on 13.04, though
[22:28] <bluesabre> it showed up for me
[22:28] <bluesabre> 13.10+gtk3
[22:28] <bluesabre> but seemed crashy
[22:28] <ochosi> i guess appmenu should be blacklisted by default
[22:28] <ochosi> it's trouble
[22:28] <bluesabre> does the blacklist currently work?
[22:28] <andrzejr> yes, blacklist and whitelist
[22:28] <andrzejr> but require panel restart
[22:29] <bluesabre> yeah, I'd definitely go ahead and blacklist appmenu, having the menu with the system indicators is silly anyway :)
[22:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: you can add a second plugin though to the panel
[22:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: and only show the appmenu there
[22:29] <bluesabre> oh
[22:29] <ochosi> but still, it's too crashy atm
[22:30] <ochosi> woo, longstanding shimmer-themes bug fixed
[22:30] <bluesabre> woot
[22:30] <bluesabre> which one?
[22:30] <ochosi> albatross titlebar
[22:32] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, if you have an opinion on bug #1226200...
[22:32] <andrzejr> ochosi, greybird has some usability issues (xfwm4 theme)
[22:32] <ochosi> andrzejr: which ones?
[22:32] <andrzejr> 1px border thickness and low contrast between active/inactive title bar
[22:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: yup, can't do anything without breaking the themes out on their own
[22:33] <bluesabre> would've been nice if satya/georgi just used our daily ppa
[22:33] <knome> ochosi, tbh, the PPA owner should change the directory, not the approved package.
[22:33] <ochosi> andrzejr: the border is actually 2px (because of a rendering-bug in Xorg it seems, introduced in 12.10 iirc)
[22:33] <andrzejr> (sorry if I have already told you that before)
[22:34] <knome> s/approved package/package in the official repositories/
[22:34] <bluesabre> ah
[22:34] <bluesabre> +1
[22:34] <ochosi> andrzejr: the low contrast between in/active was discussed before and it's not *that* little. anyway, the appropriate thing would be using gtk3's inactive window style...
[22:34] <ochosi> knome: feel free to chime in with my last comment then (e.g. use the shimmer-daily ppa) and close as wontfix
[22:35] <ochosi> (that was my evil plan when i asked >:D)
[22:36] <bluesabre> and satya can add conflicts to shimmer-themes (>= 13.10)
[22:36] <bluesabre> s/to/for
[22:36] <bluesabre> (to their numix-gtk-theme package)
[22:37] <ochosi> ok, forwarded to satya
[22:38] <knome> closed
[22:38] <ochosi> ty
[22:38]  * bluesabre tried to get his xubuntu-to-do list together
[22:38] <bluesabre> *tries
[22:38] <ochosi> andrzejr: if you have a suggestion for increasing the contrast, lemme know though!
[22:38]  * bluesabre cannot type today
[22:39] <andrzejr> ochosi, yes, it is better than it used to be but still on the "hard to use" side.
[22:39] <ochosi> andrzejr: or post a screenshot
[22:40] <andrzejr> ochosi, is it possible (feasible) to change gtk colors between active/inactive windows?
[22:40] <ochosi> andrzejr: it's possible and implemented in gtk3
[22:40] <ochosi> andrzejr: the whole inactive window gets dimmed
[22:41] <ochosi> (one of the nicer features of gtk3 imo)
[22:41] <bluesabre> sometimes
[22:41] <bluesabre> slows things down tremendously in Ambiance/Radiance since the whole style changes
[22:41] <ochosi> hm
[22:41] <ochosi> that sucks then
[22:42] <bluesabre> it should have a label
[22:42] <bluesabre> *use sparingly*
[22:42] <andrzejr> ochosi, I don't see that in 13.10 + Greybird/master
[22:42] <ochosi> i could never test it because it isn't really integrated in greybird, because in xfce it doesn't make much sense
[22:42] <ochosi> andrzejr: ^ ;)
[22:43] <ochosi> andrzejr: same with the "dark style" btw, that apps can request
[22:44] <ochosi> i also don't support that because xfwm4 doesnt
[22:44] <andrzejr> ochosi, still I would rather have mismatched colors between the title bar and gtk widgets if that had more contrast.
[22:44] <ochosi> well the reason is different for those two features
[22:45] <ochosi> dark style: xfwm4 doesn't support gtk3 and therefore no dark style
[22:45] <ochosi> inactive windows: no gtk3 core in xfce, so it will look incredibly mixed if i add this style for gtk3 apps
[22:46] <ochosi> i assume that with xfwm4 the plan is to wait until wayland is all over the place and then xfwm4 can simply be scrapped
[22:47] <bluesabre> wow
[22:47] <bluesabre> that would be some time away
[22:48] <ochosi> well, isn't the gtk3 port of xfce too?
[22:48] <bluesabre> heh
[22:48] <bluesabre> fair enough
[22:48] <bluesabre> though technically, I think gtk2 is no longer receiving any updates whatsoever, so its going to start disappearing a bit quicker now
[22:49] <ochosi> yeah, but there don't seem to be terrible terrible bugs in it either
[22:49] <andrzejr> ochosi, fyi, I find Moheli almost perfect. The only thing I would change is having a smooth transition between the title bar and gtk widgets in inactive windows.
[22:50] <ochosi> andrzejr: ah, i used to use moheli when i started using xfce!
[23:17] <knome> new ubiquity version is uploaded
[23:18] <bluesabre> woop!
[23:18] <bluesabre> iso testing tomorrow
[23:18] <knome> well the beta 2 freeze is on monday
[23:19] <knome> but yeah, it wouldn't hurt to boot up some testing machines tomorrow either to check if everything is in place
[23:20] <knome> ok, i'm off for today
[23:21] <bluesabre> seeya knome!
[23:21] <knome> i'll be off most of today, but i'll be around in the evening (approximately 20UTC at latest, but probably earlier)
[23:21] <knome> good night everybody and thanks for all the hard work today!
[23:21] <ochosi> hf and night
[23:22] <knome> ...heh, s/most of today/most of tomorrow/ ;)
[23:22] <knome> ->