| Unit193 | Jeudi: The ISO is 700M about, you can put that on your drive and use persistence. | 00:02 |
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| Jeudi | Unit193: Can I follow the same instructions to create a bootable USB as are provided for Ubuntu? | 00:04 |
| Unit193 | Should, which ones? | 00:05 |
| Unit193 | If in windows, use Linux Live USB creator. | 00:06 |
| Jeudi | I use Macs. | 00:06 |
| Jeudi | I was going to use http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx | 00:06 |
| Jeudi | Actually, wait, I'll just boot into Boot Camp and do it from there. | 00:07 |
| Jeudi | Unit193: Thanks for the help. | 00:12 |
| john_rambo | When trying to purge blueman .......lubuntu desktop is gestting uninstalled ....Is there a way ? | 00:28 |
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| freed | hey if anyone's here, i could use some help | 05:40 |
| Subroutine | hallo, why is lubuntu trying to mount encrypted swap before i log in? first i thought i messed something up, but then i had to reload os(i kept lubuntu coz i like it), but i keep having the same issue. | 07:20 |
| Myrtti | well what did you expect it to do then? | 07:20 |
| Myrtti | swap usually is mounted before logging in, encrypted or not | 07:21 |
| Subroutine | why does it flag up en error when its so normal? | 07:21 |
| Myrtti | well that's difficult to know without knowing details | 07:23 |
| Soul-Sing | Subroutine, do you minotor swap via gparted, or via dsmeg/kernel logs? | 07:25 |
| Subroutine | Soul-Sing: none. i sepose im not the good in linux jet. i get this message on boot thet crypto swap isnt present but as soon as i log in i see it using fdisk or swapon | 07:27 |
| Soul-Sing | i had problems with swap and fixed it via sudo gparted | 07:27 |
| Subroutine | *yet | 07:27 |
| Soul-Sing | ok | 07:27 |
| Soul-Sing | fdisk is another way to get some insight | 07:28 |
| Subroutine | Soul-Sing: ill give it a look. thanks | 07:28 |
| Soul-Sing | gparted has to be installed on lubuntu | 07:29 |
| Myrtti | gparted should be started with gksudo, not sudo | 07:29 |
| Soul-Sing | ubuntu/gnome has by default on board | 07:29 |
| Soul-Sing | it | 07:30 |
| Myrtti | gparted is a partition management software so you'll have to be *very* careful with it | 07:30 |
| Subroutine | Myrtti: me and careful doesnt come well together :) | 07:30 |
| Myrtti | backups of important data? | 07:30 |
| Myrtti | or nothing important on the harddrives | 07:30 |
| Subroutine | nothing important | 07:31 |
| vn151502510 | Subroutine: could you `cat /etc/fstab` | 07:32 |
| Soul-Sing | only monitor the outcome of sudo garted, or show a picture of it | 07:32 |
| vn151502510 | Subroutine: and "sudo fdisk -l" | 07:32 |
| Soul-Sing | "sudo fdisk -l" indeed | 07:33 |
| Subroutine | outputs: https://pastebin.com/2V0J89QK | 07:36 |
| Subroutine | it looks ok to me - its just this warning on startup... | 07:37 |
| Soul-Sing | Disk /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 doesn't contain a valid partition table | 07:39 |
| Subroutine | Soul-Sing: i thought that the way it should be. its encrypted | 07:40 |
| Soul-Sing | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1945126 | 07:40 |
| Soul-Sing | That is usually the encrypted swap partition, and as such will not have a partition table available to fdisk. | 07:40 |
| Soul-Sing | on the other hand very techn. stuff as: http://blog.ubuntulinuxguide.com/2013/02/make-ubuntu-1204-recognize-encrypted.html... | 07:43 |
| Subroutine | sudo cryptsetup stauts cryptswap1 | 07:46 |
| Soul-Sing | sudo cryptsetup status cryptswap1 you mean? | 07:47 |
| Subroutine | Soul-Sing: yes and i ment to type it on different keyboard too :) | 07:48 |
| Soul-Sing | prob.: cryptswap1 is active and is in use | 07:48 |
| Subroutine | i have gotta go, but thats all. i will try Soul-Sing 's link when i get back | 07:51 |
| Soul-Sing | have a nice day | 07:51 |
| Subroutine | u 2 m8 | 07:51 |
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| Dry_Lips | oi! | 12:11 |
| Dry_Lips | Lubuntu 13.10 doesn't work with unetbootin | 12:11 |
| Dry_Lips | Am I the only one having this problem? | 12:11 |
| gonz_ | Dry_Lips: isolinux missing or corrupt? | 12:13 |
| gonz_ | That's what I was getting just now with 13.04 and dd | 12:13 |
| gonz_ | Then again I'm pretty sure I was just making a mistake with the arguments to dd. | 12:14 |
| Dry_Lips | gonz_ isolinux is present, but I'm getting a "Missing operating system" when I try to boot... | 12:19 |
| gonz_ | Yeah, I can tell you right now I'll most certainly be of no help. The 13.04 iso seems to work fine, though. | 12:24 |
| gonz_ | If that's a route to take. | 12:24 |
| Dry_Lips | I'll try to use the usb-creator instead of unetbootin and see what happens... | 12:28 |
| Dry_Lips | gonz_ yay, startup creator worked... | 12:41 |
| Dry_Lips | Hi, when trying to install Lubuntu on an old machine (2,3 Ghz Celeron, 1GB RAM) I get this error message: SIS630 compatible bus not detected, module not inserted... | 13:03 |
| Dry_Lips | Is there a way around this? | 13:04 |
| taoseeker | hi | 15:09 |
| melodie | hi | 16:19 |
| melodie | I fired Lubuntu Saucy testing, I think it's beta or beta2, after zsyncing it seems not to change date and is still marked sept. 20 : is that because it is a beta freeze? | 16:20 |
| melodie | no one on board ? :) | 16:34 |
| melodie | does someone know why there is a ppa for intel drivers? | 17:36 |
| melodie | https://launchpad.net/~glasen/+archive/intel-driver | 17:36 |
| Unit193 | There's a PPA for everything. | 17:36 |
| Unit193 | Also, depends on where you sync'd the iso from, if you used the beta link then of course it's the beta. | 17:37 |
| melodie | hi Unit193 | 18:05 |
| melodie | Unit193 is that the right link? | 18:06 |
| melodie | zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-i386.iso.zsync | 18:06 |
| melodie | I was waiting for an answer before spilling a CD-R | 18:06 |
| melodie | because I'd like to test with a common install method | 18:07 |
| Unit193 | melodie: isoinfo -J -i saucy-desktop-i386.iso -x .disk/info | 18:08 |
| melodie | ok | 18:23 |
| melodie | Unit193 | 18:29 |
| melodie | isoinfo -J -i saucy-desktop-i386.iso -x .disk/info | 18:29 |
| melodie | returns nothing | 18:29 |
| Unit193 | melodie: Oops, sorry. That last one should be /.disk/info | 18:30 |
| melodie | thanks | 18:30 |
| melodie | Lubuntu 13.10 "Saucy Salamander" - Alpha i386 (20130920) | 18:30 |
| melodie | how can I get the beta latest then? | 18:30 |
| melodie | I can wget it if needed, got a good adsl here | 18:31 |
| Unit193 | Beta isn't quite out yet. | 18:31 |
| melodie | in the ml | 18:32 |
| melodie | Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.10 beta | 18:32 |
| melodie | ? | 18:32 |
| Unit193 | Yes, might be helpful to read the content, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-September/001059.html UIF and Doc string. | 18:34 |
| genoobie | hey | 18:40 |
| genoobie | I am installing lubuntu | 18:40 |
| genoobie | need a bit of advice | 18:40 |
| genoobie | a bit of a newb | 18:40 |
| genoobie | I am doing a dual boot | 18:40 |
| genoobie | but I'm not sure about the partitioning thing | 18:40 |
| genoobie | hello? | 18:41 |
| Unit193 | Well, what's the question? | 18:44 |
| Unit193 | !partitioning | 18:44 |
| ubottu | For help with partitioning a new install see: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/i386/partitioning.html - For partitioning programs see !GParted, !QtParted (!Kubuntu 8.10 and lower) or !PartitionManager (!Kubuntu 9.04 and up) - Other partitioning topics include !fstab !home and !swap | 18:44 |
| melodie | Unit193 ok thanks, so I guess the ISO I have updated today is ok for testing. | 19:00 |
| l4cr0ss | lubuntu install didn't have an sshd_config file by default, is there a way to generate one | 19:01 |
| genoobie | thanks Unit193 I got taken away for a m inute | 19:04 |
| Unit193 | l4cr0ss: Maybe installing openssh-server? ;) | 19:04 |
| Unit193 | melodie: Yeppers. | 19:04 |
| l4cr0ss | Unit193: lol, thank you | 19:05 |
| genoobie | so Unit193 since I am a bit new to this | 19:06 |
| genoobie | I should probably just make two partitions | 19:06 |
| genoobie | "/" and "/swap" | 19:06 |
| melodie | genoobie what OS do you have in this hard drive ? | 19:06 |
| genoobie | presently xp | 19:06 |
| genoobie | so the drive is 160GB | 19:06 |
| melodie | do a full defragmentation, then reduce it | 19:07 |
| genoobie | 40 is NTFS (xp) | 19:07 |
| genoobie | there's 120GB left over | 19:07 |
| genoobie | I'd like to take a snapshot of the drive with clonezilla when I am done | 19:07 |
| Unit193 | Swap and root would work fine, sometimes people do a seperate /home too, but not required. | 19:07 |
| genoobie | and make a restore image | 19:07 |
| melodie | you could use Ultradefrag for this purpose, in order to have a good open source defragmenter | 19:07 |
| genoobie | I don't need to defrag | 19:07 |
| melodie | you don't? | 19:07 |
| genoobie | no, I already have two spaces on the drive | 19:08 |
| genoobie | 40GB is ntfs | 19:08 |
| genoobie | 120 is unallocated presently | 19:08 |
| genoobie | so I am a bit confused by the installer options though | 19:08 |
| melodie | so you can point to it and let the ubuntu installer install to it with automatic method | 19:08 |
| melodie | or as Unit193 says you can do / /home and swap, as you wish | 19:08 |
| genoobie | in free space I am going to create two partitions | 19:09 |
| genoobie | let's say one is 30GB to contain the lubuntu installation | 19:09 |
| genoobie | and the other is 3GB for swap | 19:09 |
| melodie | if you create your partitions with Gparted for instance, you can then choose the "expert" option for install time, then select the relevant partitions to setup this one for / and that one for /home and this other one for swap | 19:09 |
| melodie | you select with the left click then you have the options for each one | 19:10 |
| genoobie | right, that's what I am doing but just a bit confused by the options | 19:10 |
| melodie | which one ? | 19:10 |
| genoobie | so I say "35000 MB" for a logical partition | 19:10 |
| genoobie | ext4 but the mount point is? | 19:10 |
| melodie | the mount point for the root system has to be / | 19:10 |
| genoobie | okay | 19:11 |
| genoobie | got it | 19:11 |
| melodie | 35000 MB seems very very big to me | 19:11 |
| genoobie | I just think if I want to create a backup image, one partition would be easier for now. | 19:11 |
| genoobie | well, that's going to include home and everything else | 19:11 |
| genoobie | "/bin /usr /var | 19:11 |
| genoobie | etc | 19:11 |
| melodie | a cloning tool such as clonezilla lets you choose whatever | 19:11 |
| genoobie | so you're saying that I ought not to partition this way | 19:12 |
| genoobie | okay | 19:12 |
| melodie | you can clone one or several partitions at same time, and even choose which ones | 19:12 |
| genoobie | so another scheme is "400mb for /boot" and "10GB for /" and another 25GB for everything else | 19:12 |
| melodie | I have almost 16000 MB for my / | 19:13 |
| genoobie | so my question is does the order that you create these partitions matter | 19:13 |
| melodie | in my current distro | 19:13 |
| genoobie | I mean there's probably a convention to it | 19:13 |
| melodie | /dev/sda1 15G 11G 3,5G 75% / | 19:13 |
| genoobie | okay, so I can do 400mb for /boot 20GB for / and 15GB for everything else | 19:13 |
| melodie | I use 11 GB and it's full of apps | 19:14 |
| genoobie | so you say that "/" gets eaten up pretty quickly | 19:14 |
| genoobie | okay so I'll go with 20 | 19:14 |
| genoobie | what about "order"? | 19:14 |
| melodie | genoobie do you really need a separate boot partition ? | 19:14 |
| genoobie | it was suggested but not really | 19:14 |
| melodie | order? | 19:14 |
| genoobie | I don't know why I would or wouldn't to be honest | 19:14 |
| melodie | swap first if you want and then / and then /home | 19:14 |
| genoobie | so melodie if I create these partitions | 19:14 |
| genoobie | ok | 19:15 |
| melodie | this is not really so important but you can go this way | 19:15 |
| genoobie | well I'd like / to be sda2 ideall | 19:15 |
| genoobie | ideally | 19:15 |
| melodie | you have a separate boot partition when you want to share the boot between several distributions | 19:15 |
| genoobie | most of the documentation is written that way | 19:15 |
| genoobie | yeah, I'm not going to do that | 19:15 |
| melodie | some used to do that when the hard drives where small and they had distros that could use the same kernel | 19:15 |
| genoobie | so if I want / on sda2, would I start with that first? | 19:16 |
| melodie | genoobie the /dev/sda2 can be your / or it could be an extended partition | 19:16 |
| genoobie | melodie: thanks for this help btw | 19:16 |
| genoobie | ugh | 19:17 |
| melodie | you want an extended partition if you will have more than 4 partitions on the hard drive because the hard drives can't have more than 4 primary partitions | 19:17 |
| melodie | then the first logical partition in an extended partition will be /dev/sda5 | 19:17 |
| genoobie | when I created the partition it's called "/dev/sda5" and the mount point is "/" | 19:17 |
| melodie | the following will be /dev/sda6 | 19:17 |
| genoobie | so do I want a primary partition for "/"? | 19:18 |
| melodie | not necessarily | 19:18 |
| genoobie | well it's going to be "bootable" | 19:18 |
| genoobie | if that makes any diff | 19:18 |
| melodie | no | 19:18 |
| melodie | thats for windows | 19:18 |
| melodie | Windows needs the boot flag, GNU/Linux doesn't | 19:19 |
| genoobie | so briefly, what's the point of primary vs. logical | 19:19 |
| melodie | primary: | 19:19 |
| melodie | 4 partitions max on a hard drive | 19:19 |
| melodie | NTFS needs to be on a primary | 19:19 |
| melodie | you can have: | 19:20 |
| melodie | /dev/sda1 Ntfs | 19:20 |
| genoobie | "/dev/sda2 ext4 | 19:20 |
| melodie | /dev/sda1 Ntfs for the user personal Documents | 19:20 |
| melodie | /dev/sda1 Ntfs | 19:20 |
| melodie | /dev/sda2 Ntfs for the user personal Documents - if any | 19:20 |
| melodie | I mean if any separate partition for the Windows personal files | 19:21 |
| melodie | then you can have whatever you want to | 19:21 |
| melodie | what I do: | 19:21 |
| genoobie | so do I create a 40GB primary partition for "/" and 20GB within this for "/home"? | 19:21 |
| genoobie | or two separate partitions | 19:21 |
| melodie | I often have a distro which has everything in it in a primary partition | 19:21 |
| genoobie | each with different mount points | 19:21 |
| melodie | then from there I can partition the rest without booting a live | 19:21 |
| melodie | because you can't partition a mounted partition, right? So this is just a tip | 19:22 |
| genoobie | oh | 19:22 |
| genoobie | okay so I'll create two separate partitions each with their own mount point | 19:22 |
| melodie | and if you create an extended partition: | 19:22 |
| melodie | you can put as many partitions you want in it | 19:22 |
| melodie | suppose you want one just to put your video and audio files in it, you could do that and mount it to a directory of your choice | 19:23 |
| genoobie | so there's no advantage to having a "primary partition" as it were | 19:23 |
| melodie | it's really very flexible | 19:23 |
| genoobie | I need a good book | 19:23 |
| genoobie | but to get started | 19:23 |
| melodie | yes, to get started: | 19:23 |
| melodie | do one primary partition for your /, one extended partition for swap and /home and keep an empty space after the extended partition for future needs or tests | 19:24 |
| melodie | then you can switch method any time according to your wishes | 19:24 |
| genoobie | that's where I am just a bit confused | 19:25 |
| melodie | make that last primary partition as large or a little more than the partition for the / | 19:25 |
| melodie | hard drive: | 19:25 |
| melodie | a scheme | 19:25 |
| genoobie | so I am making a primary partition 20GB for "/" | 19:25 |
| genoobie | that's already done and in my table | 19:25 |
| genoobie | the next partition I want to create is for swap and /home? | 19:26 |
| melodie | [---Ntfs primary---][--- system / primary ---][extended → a partition for swap | a partition for /home--][--primary for future use--] | 19:26 |
| genoobie | that would be a single logical partition? | 19:26 |
| melodie | does that scheme help ? | 19:26 |
| genoobie | yeah, just need to understand that in gparted | 19:26 |
| melodie | genoobie ok | 19:27 |
| genoobie | so okay, so I have /dev/sda5 as ext4 and a mountpoint of /home | 19:27 |
| melodie | you will take for granted that one extended partition is seen by the hard drive controller as a primary partition | 19:27 |
| genoobie | now i create a swap partition | 19:27 |
| melodie | genoobie I let you manage your thing now. ;) | 19:28 |
| genoobie | so I have /dev/sda1 ntfs | 19:29 |
| genoobie | I have /dev/sda2 for / | 19:29 |
| genoobie | I have /dev/sda5 for /home | 19:29 |
| genoobie | and finally /dev/sda6 for /swap | 19:29 |
| genoobie | and finally /dev/sda6 for swap | 19:29 |
| genoobie | then there's 75GB "free space" | 19:30 |
| genoobie | for whatever I wish | 19:30 |
| genoobie | in theory, when I upgrade to the next lubuntu, I only need to play with "/" | 19:30 |
| melodie | you will have to tell it that /dev/sda5 is your /home | 19:31 |
| melodie | and not to format it | 19:31 |
| genoobie | right | 19:31 |
| melodie | is the 75 GB space in the extended partition or after it? | 19:32 |
| genoobie | and boot loader goes to "/dev/sda" | 19:32 |
| genoobie | after | 19:32 |
| genoobie | it's just called "free space" after the swap | 19:32 |
| melodie | yes, you can put the boot loader to /dev/sda : which has for name MBR, Master Boot Record | 19:33 |
| melodie | in Gparted you can see the two logical partitions wrapped into another color which represents the space containing the extended partition | 19:33 |
| melodie | usually light blue | 19:34 |
| genoobie | well it looks like it's on the move | 19:36 |
| melodie | :) | 19:36 |
| genoobie | I'm going to have 3 separate users | 19:36 |
| genoobie | me and my two children | 19:36 |
| melodie | ok | 19:36 |
| melodie | very good | 19:36 |
| genoobie | btw thanks again for the hand holding :) | 19:36 |
| melodie | you are welcome | 19:37 |
| melodie | how old are your children? | 19:37 |
| genoobie | 10 | 19:37 |
| genoobie | twins | 19:37 |
| melodie | good | 19:37 |
| genoobie | windows is such a bear to maintain | 19:37 |
| melodie | are you going to install edu software for them? | 19:37 |
| genoobie | yes | 19:37 |
| melodie | :) | 19:38 |
| genoobie | hopefully they'll install it themselves | 19:38 |
| melodie | I have done some edu versions in another distro a pair of years ago, I 'll try to do a ubuntu openbox with the same setup before Christmas | 19:38 |
| genoobie | I am trying to phase out winxp | 19:38 |
| melodie | they should not install it themselves, you should give them a hand | 19:38 |
| genoobie | right | 19:39 |
| melodie | you can look at a list I used | 19:39 |
| genoobie | much as you are helping me | 19:39 |
| melodie | http://meylodie.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/pclinuxos-education-en-2 | 19:39 |
| melodie | look at the "Highlighted Applications" list particularly | 19:40 |
| melodie | get the same in your install and you can start having fun with the children | 19:40 |
| melodie | other games are fun too, such as pingus, supertux, supertuxkart ... | 19:41 |
| melodie | frozen bubble... | 19:41 |
| melodie | :D | 19:41 |
| genoobie | will do | 19:41 |
| genoobie | hey | 19:42 |
| melodie | :) | 19:42 |
| melodie | have fun! | 19:42 |
| genoobie | now I am booted into lubuntu | 19:42 |
| genoobie | I don't see that my wireless is working | 19:42 |
| melodie | now I'm leaving ;) | 19:42 |
| melodie | see you | 19:42 |
| genoobie | okay | 19:42 |
| genoobie | thanks again! | 19:42 |
| melodie | welcome again! | 19:42 |
| genoobie | should I give them "admin" | 19:43 |
| genoobie | hey | 19:46 |
| genoobie | trying to get my wireless working | 19:46 |
| genoobie | hello again | 19:58 |
| genoobie | well I used lspi | 19:58 |
| genoobie | and there is "broadcom bcm4318" being reported by lspi | 19:58 |
| genoobie | but ifconfig doesn't show an interface | 19:59 |
| genoobie | so I need a driver I think | 19:59 |
| Unit193 | !bcm | genoobie | 20:01 |
| ubottu | genoobie: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx | 20:01 |
| genoobie | thanks, reading it now | 20:04 |
| genoobie | Unit193: problem is the machine doesn't presently have internet access | 20:06 |
| genoobie | but I have a computer that does with USB transfer | 20:06 |
| genoobie | i mean using a flash drive | 20:06 |
| genoobie | so how do I get the "driver" onto the USB then installed onto the lubuntu machine | 20:06 |
| Unit193 | Has an offline section, I've followed that a while back. | 20:07 |
| genoobie | thanks | 20:08 |
| kristal | It looks like Lubuntu is going to end up better than xubuntu at the rate it's going..... xubuntu hasn't changed much the past few years. | 20:13 |
| kristal | "Julien Lavergne announced in June 2013 that Lubuntu 13.10 will ship with Firefox as its default browser in place of Chromium." Whooo muh freedoms. | 20:26 |
| austin | Hi #Lubuntu, When I "sudo apt-get install wine1.7" i get the following error regarding unmet dependencies http://paste.ubuntu.com/6142822. I'm stumped, can anyone help? | 20:31 |
| phillw | !wine | austin | 20:31 |
| ubottu | austin: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu | 20:31 |
| austin | Thanks phill, apologies | 20:32 |
| phillw | austin: no need to apologise, just that we don't have too much experience with it. I can say that the advice I've picked up over time is to always use the latest version, if in only beta. | 20:33 |
| kristal | In the future wine is getting a huge performance boost. :) | 20:33 |
| phillw | *even if it is beta* | 20:33 |
| kristal | Wine is perpetually beta/alpha :P | 20:33 |
| phillw | they do have stable releases, but the cutting edge one seems to be recommened one. i always suggest http://www.winehq.org/ | 20:35 |
| austin | Agreed, I'm quite new to IRC and didnt realise there's a channel for the majority of subjects | 20:35 |
| kristal | Ironically stable is never as good as the latest... except for when there's a regression... | 20:35 |
| kristal | You kinda need 2 wines for everything to work, playonlinux or wahtever can manage that. | 20:35 |
| phillw | austin: all feel free to pop in here and ask, we are being abrupt when we get the details from the bot, it's just faster than us typing it all in :D | 20:37 |
| phillw | *we are NOT being*... drat.. dyslexic fingers again :D | 20:37 |
| austin | I understand :) | 20:37 |
| kristal | #lubuntu doesn't rage being OT like some channels :P | 20:37 |
| austin | Thats good to hear, when i saw the error i was worried about the grief i might get by asking | 20:38 |
| austin | x joined | 20:38 |
| austin | x asks question | 20:38 |
| austin | x gets answer | 20:38 |
| austin | x has left | 20:38 |
| phillw | austin: if you ever want just a chat, we do have an O/T channel. #lubuntu-offtopic | 20:38 |
| austin | ok, i'll keep quiet and join that channel ty phill | 20:39 |
| kristal | #lubuntu on the other hand rages when things are not minimal, muh screen space, muh rams | 20:39 |
| phillw | lubuntu prides itself on being friendly :) | 20:39 |
| kristal | Also being faster. | 20:40 |
| kristal | Too bad steam box isn't using lxde due to no "corporate support" :( | 20:41 |
| kristal | They're using gnome or unity from te looks of it... but they mention Qt support as well. | 20:42 |
| kristal | unity is using qt in the future isn't it | 20:42 |
| phillw | kristal: I don't know what unity is using, but lxde is moving gradually to Qt. It's a lot of work! | 20:44 |
| kristal | Soo... lxde and razorqt merging to become lxde-qt... when lubuntu becomes qt based It'd be interesting to see the theme change to give hommage to razor... perhaps a background with a sword jabbed into the ubuntu/lubuntu logo. :P | 21:26 |
| kristal | All the other ubuntus are becoming too big to fit on CD :( | 21:31 |
| kristal | It's funny how firefox uses more cpu but chrome uses more ram... firefox has tons of addons, mmm addons, and firefox phone! | 21:42 |
| melodie | brb | 22:04 |
| phillw | kristal: only lubuntu is committed to CD size for 13.10 | 22:10 |
| Noskcaj | phillw, and netboot ;) | 22:49 |
| austin | brb | 22:49 |
| melodie | hi | 22:50 |
| Noskcaj | hello melodie | 22:51 |
| kristal | It'd be interesting if Lubuntu has hardly any preinstaled software, so you'd have a small live disk to downlaod and install, and once installed a "pick your XYZ" UI comes up, you check the things you want, they install, bam, super friendly customization. | 22:51 |
| melodie | hello Noskcaj | 22:51 |
| melodie | kristal you can do almost the same with Ubuntu Mini Remix | 22:52 |
| kristal | melodie: Yup, but I bet lubuntu can do it better :) | 22:52 |
| Noskcaj | kristal, That is netboot | 22:52 |
| kristal | net is too minimal for typical users imo | 22:52 |
| melodie | kristal then from there you can install the lubuntu-desktop meta package | 22:52 |
| melodie | kristal you have only a few packages missing, and I can give that list to you | 22:53 |
| Noskcaj | kristal, MOst users don't want to "pick and chose", they want it already there. If you want more choice/lightness uninstall things or use netboot | 22:53 |
| melodie | Noskcaj quite true also | 22:54 |
| kristal | sad because it's true... | 22:55 |
| kristal | although even casuals argue over FF/Chrome :P | 22:55 |
| melodie | kristal if you want to annoy them, tell them about Midori ! | 23:07 |
| melodie | ^^ | 23:07 |
| kristal | It's a good browser, but FF has muh addons. | 23:08 |
| melodie | kristal anyway you can't say Lubuntu has lots of programs installed for the user, it's quite minimal | 23:08 |
| kristal | Going from Chroms to Firefox makes sense when you see the browser stats, it's by far the most popular so people were mostly switching that as soon as they installed. | 23:09 |
| kristal | And ya, very little preinstalled, which is good, faster dl/install/imaging | 23:10 |
| melodie | I would like to have htop and mesa-utils added in it | 23:15 |
| kristal | Ya why the hell isn't htop on, it's kinda a defacto standard, everyone uses it... as for mesa-utils... that's very not mainstream, although I use it too. | 23:17 |
| kristal | AMD;s new GPUs are coming out, brace for wave of cheap awesome-o 7000 cards on sale. | 23:19 |
| kristal | That feeling when you realize LTS is much older than Debian Stable right now... 14 LTS can't come soon enough. | 23:23 |
| phillw | melodie: kristal As lubuntu is facing reducing the number of language packs, adding in things like htop etc only eats up disk space. For as long as lubuntu is committed to a CD sized ISO, they will keep things 'small'. :) | 23:27 |
| kristal | Well... I see lots of space being used by artwork... could slim down that. | 23:28 |
| kristal | Better compression and symlinking redundant things. | 23:28 |
| phillw | kristal: the amount of space used for the artwork is very small. | 23:28 |
| kristal | How about the sounds? Recycle and dump some wav for oggs | 23:29 |
| phillw | we do not have sounds, such as startup sounds... we dropped them long ago :) | 23:30 |
| kristal | Hmm... perhaps it's a bad idea looking at my install after I added stuff... gonna mount a fresh image | 23:30 |
| phillw | kristal: indeed :) We do keep it very lean :) | 23:31 |
| kristal | Too bad you can't use 7zip for higher compression. :P | 23:31 |
| kristal | The poor image server... all the cpu power needed for that :P | 23:32 |
| kristal | How tight for space are you? I could hunt around for some stuff on the daily live. | 23:32 |
| phillw | kristal: the beta1 manifest can be viewed at http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/ubuntu-dvd/lubuntu/releases/13.10/beta-1/lubuntu-13.10-beta1-desktop-amd64.manifest It is also on a lp area, I just don't have that link to hand :) | 23:37 |
| kristal | man languages eat a lot | 23:37 |
| phillw | yup, but essential as we are multi-language in our developers. Julien will only countence removing one if all else has failed. | 23:40 |
| kristal | Some of the graphics drivers are to cards soo old they would be in computers too old to run lubuntu... :-/ | 23:40 |
| melodie | phillw I'm sure I could find stuff to remove to make space for htop and mesa-utils ;) | 23:40 |
| phillw | melodie: more likely ant room would be used to add in the lang packs we've sacrificed. | 23:40 |
| melodie | phillw no chance, that would be too space greedy | 23:41 |
| melodie | I can have a look in my vbox now | 23:41 |
| phillw | But, all this is for 14.04, and should be pointed to the brainstorming area. | 23:41 |
| kristal | xserver-xorg-video- Is wasting space, some of those drivers don't work properly and are from the early 1990's | 23:41 |
| kristal | well, the cards themselves are | 23:42 |
| melodie | kristal not that kind of packages | 23:42 |
| melodie | they are very important | 23:42 |
| melodie | and not very space greedy btw | 23:42 |
| kristal | Something like xserver-xorg-video-cirrus which is one of the oldest is used in VMs, so you need to keep that... but xserver-xorg-video-trident is basically broken. | 23:43 |
| melodie | which ones of these drivers don't work well? | 23:43 |
| melodie | oh so | 23:43 |
| melodie | but this won't save much space | 23:43 |
| kristal | lol a not much | 23:43 |
| kristal | Some of the software's art wastes space but you'd have to do alternates which is a pain to maintain unless you asked the person making the software to make a change. | 23:45 |
| phillw | kristal: IMHO?.. drop desktop installer and just use alternate... we use sooo much space on a pretty installer that is used once and never again :D | 23:46 |
| melodie | language-pack-gnome-de-base and other language-pack-gnome might be avoided | 23:47 |
| phillw | but, I'm a server person :D | 23:47 |
| kristal | Instead of dropping it, it can be shrunk a ton. | 23:47 |
| kristal | German is a popular lang | 23:47 |
| melodie | phillw kristal I have been used to test removal for making spinoffs | 23:47 |
| melodie | kristal it's not use to have it in the live because it is added during install time | 23:48 |
| melodie | unless the people aren't connected to internet, which is a bit difficult to deal with anyhow now | 23:48 |
| kristal | popularity-contest1.57ubuntu1 | 23:48 |
| kristal | hahaha, does anyone use this? | 23:48 |
| melodie | and I don't say just about this one, but the other gnome-language packs are already there | 23:49 |
| melodie | kristal it's better to have it, for the stats when people are ok to use it | 23:49 |
| phillw | this chat would be better suited in #ubuntu-offtopic No alterations to 13.10 can now be made, you are discussing changes for 14.04 | 23:49 |
| kristal | Ya 13.10 is in stone, and is working well btw | 23:50 |
| melodie | phillw whatever | 23:51 |
| melodie | improvements for next next is not that far ahead | 23:51 |
| kristal | ubuntu-ot woulnd't like us talking about lubuntu changes... | 23:51 |
| melodie | languages: german, french, portuguese, spanish : that makes many times 10 to 16 MB | 23:52 |
| melodie | this is worth considering | 23:52 |
| melodie | kristal +1 | 23:52 |
| kristal | melodie: We agreed on leaving languages to the very end | 23:52 |
| melodie | they would not | 23:52 |
| melodie | kristal which means? (not english native) | 23:52 |
| phillw | kristal: melodie head to #lubuntu-offtopic and I will be happy to discuss further.... | 23:52 |
| melodie | ok | 23:52 |
| kristal | phillw: Sure | 23:53 |
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