[00:02] Jeudi: The ISO is 700M about, you can put that on your drive and use persistence. [00:04] Unit193: Can I follow the same instructions to create a bootable USB as are provided for Ubuntu? [00:05] Should, which ones? [00:06] If in windows, use Linux Live USB creator. [00:06] I use Macs. [00:06] I was going to use http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx [00:07] Actually, wait, I'll just boot into Boot Camp and do it from there. [00:12] Unit193: Thanks for the help. [00:28] When trying to purge blueman .......lubuntu desktop is gestting uninstalled ....Is there a way ? === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti [05:40] hey if anyone's here, i could use some help [07:20] hallo, why is lubuntu trying to mount encrypted swap before i log in? first i thought i messed something up, but then i had to reload os(i kept lubuntu coz i like it), but i keep having the same issue. [07:20] well what did you expect it to do then? [07:21] swap usually is mounted before logging in, encrypted or not [07:21] why does it flag up en error when its so normal? [07:23] well that's difficult to know without knowing details [07:25] Subroutine, do you minotor swap via gparted, or via dsmeg/kernel logs? [07:27] Soul-Sing: none. i sepose im not the good in linux jet. i get this message on boot thet crypto swap isnt present but as soon as i log in i see it using fdisk or swapon [07:27] i had problems with swap and fixed it via sudo gparted [07:27] *yet [07:27] ok [07:28] fdisk is another way to get some insight [07:28] Soul-Sing: ill give it a look. thanks [07:29] gparted has to be installed on lubuntu [07:29] gparted should be started with gksudo, not sudo [07:29] ubuntu/gnome has by default on board [07:30] it [07:30] gparted is a partition management software so you'll have to be *very* careful with it [07:30] Myrtti: me and careful doesnt come well together :) [07:30] backups of important data? [07:30] or nothing important on the harddrives [07:31] nothing important [07:32] Subroutine: could you `cat /etc/fstab` [07:32] only monitor the outcome of sudo garted, or show a picture of it [07:32] Subroutine: and "sudo fdisk -l" [07:33] "sudo fdisk -l" indeed [07:36] outputs: https://pastebin.com/2V0J89QK [07:37] it looks ok to me - its just this warning on startup... [07:39] Disk /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 doesn't contain a valid partition table [07:40] Soul-Sing: i thought that the way it should be. its encrypted [07:40] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1945126 [07:40] That is usually the encrypted swap partition, and as such will not have a partition table available to fdisk. [07:43] on the other hand very techn. stuff as: http://blog.ubuntulinuxguide.com/2013/02/make-ubuntu-1204-recognize-encrypted.html... [07:46] sudo cryptsetup stauts cryptswap1 [07:47] sudo cryptsetup status cryptswap1 you mean? [07:48] Soul-Sing: yes and i ment to type it on different keyboard too :) [07:48] prob.: cryptswap1 is active and is in use [07:51] i have gotta go, but thats all. i will try Soul-Sing 's link when i get back [07:51] have a nice day [07:51] u 2 m8 === Noskcaj10 is now known as Noskcaj === f is now known as Guest53858 [12:11] oi! [12:11] Lubuntu 13.10 doesn't work with unetbootin [12:11] Am I the only one having this problem? [12:13] Dry_Lips: isolinux missing or corrupt? [12:13] That's what I was getting just now with 13.04 and dd [12:14] Then again I'm pretty sure I was just making a mistake with the arguments to dd. [12:19] gonz_ isolinux is present, but I'm getting a "Missing operating system" when I try to boot... [12:24] Yeah, I can tell you right now I'll most certainly be of no help. The 13.04 iso seems to work fine, though. [12:24] If that's a route to take. [12:28] I'll try to use the usb-creator instead of unetbootin and see what happens... [12:41] gonz_ yay, startup creator worked... [13:03] Hi, when trying to install Lubuntu on an old machine (2,3 Ghz Celeron, 1GB RAM) I get this error message: SIS630 compatible bus not detected, module not inserted... [13:04] Is there a way around this? [15:09] hi [16:19] hi [16:20] I fired Lubuntu Saucy testing, I think it's beta or beta2, after zsyncing it seems not to change date and is still marked sept. 20 : is that because it is a beta freeze? [16:34] no one on board ? :) [17:36] does someone know why there is a ppa for intel drivers? [17:36] https://launchpad.net/~glasen/+archive/intel-driver [17:36] There's a PPA for everything. [17:37] Also, depends on where you sync'd the iso from, if you used the beta link then of course it's the beta. [18:05] hi Unit193 [18:06] Unit193 is that the right link? [18:06] zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-i386.iso.zsync [18:06] I was waiting for an answer before spilling a CD-R [18:07] because I'd like to test with a common install method [18:08] melodie: isoinfo -J -i saucy-desktop-i386.iso -x .disk/info [18:23] ok [18:29] Unit193 [18:29] isoinfo -J -i saucy-desktop-i386.iso -x .disk/info [18:29] returns nothing [18:30] melodie: Oops, sorry. That last one should be /.disk/info [18:30] thanks [18:30] Lubuntu 13.10 "Saucy Salamander" - Alpha i386 (20130920) [18:30] how can I get the beta latest then? [18:31] I can wget it if needed, got a good adsl here [18:31] Beta isn't quite out yet. [18:32] in the ml [18:32] Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.10 beta [18:32] ? [18:34] Yes, might be helpful to read the content, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-September/001059.html UIF and Doc string. [18:40] hey [18:40] I am installing lubuntu [18:40] need a bit of advice [18:40] a bit of a newb [18:40] I am doing a dual boot [18:40] but I'm not sure about the partitioning thing [18:41] hello? [18:44] Well, what's the question? [18:44] !partitioning [18:44] For help with partitioning a new install see: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/i386/partitioning.html - For partitioning programs see !GParted, !QtParted (!Kubuntu 8.10 and lower) or !PartitionManager (!Kubuntu 9.04 and up) - Other partitioning topics include !fstab !home and !swap [19:00] Unit193 ok thanks, so I guess the ISO I have updated today is ok for testing. [19:01] lubuntu install didn't have an sshd_config file by default, is there a way to generate one [19:04] thanks Unit193 I got taken away for a m inute [19:04] l4cr0ss: Maybe installing openssh-server? ;) [19:04] melodie: Yeppers. [19:05] Unit193: lol, thank you [19:06] so Unit193 since I am a bit new to this [19:06] I should probably just make two partitions [19:06] "/" and "/swap" [19:06] genoobie what OS do you have in this hard drive ? [19:06] presently xp [19:06] so the drive is 160GB [19:07] do a full defragmentation, then reduce it [19:07] 40 is NTFS (xp) [19:07] there's 120GB left over [19:07] I'd like to take a snapshot of the drive with clonezilla when I am done [19:07] Swap and root would work fine, sometimes people do a seperate /home too, but not required. [19:07] and make a restore image [19:07] you could use Ultradefrag for this purpose, in order to have a good open source defragmenter [19:07] I don't need to defrag [19:07] you don't? [19:08] no, I already have two spaces on the drive [19:08] 40GB is ntfs [19:08] 120 is unallocated presently [19:08] so I am a bit confused by the installer options though [19:08] so you can point to it and let the ubuntu installer install to it with automatic method [19:08] or as Unit193 says you can do / /home and swap, as you wish [19:09] in free space I am going to create two partitions [19:09] let's say one is 30GB to contain the lubuntu installation [19:09] and the other is 3GB for swap [19:09] if you create your partitions with Gparted for instance, you can then choose the "expert" option for install time, then select the relevant partitions to setup this one for / and that one for /home and this other one for swap [19:10] you select with the left click then you have the options for each one [19:10] right, that's what I am doing but just a bit confused by the options [19:10] which one ? [19:10] so I say "35000 MB" for a logical partition [19:10] ext4 but the mount point is? [19:10] the mount point for the root system has to be / [19:11] okay [19:11] got it [19:11] 35000 MB seems very very big to me [19:11] I just think if I want to create a backup image, one partition would be easier for now. [19:11] well, that's going to include home and everything else [19:11] "/bin /usr /var [19:11] etc [19:11] a cloning tool such as clonezilla lets you choose whatever [19:12] so you're saying that I ought not to partition this way [19:12] okay [19:12] you can clone one or several partitions at same time, and even choose which ones [19:12] so another scheme is "400mb for /boot" and "10GB for /" and another 25GB for everything else [19:13] I have almost 16000 MB for my / [19:13] so my question is does the order that you create these partitions matter [19:13] in my current distro [19:13] I mean there's probably a convention to it [19:13] /dev/sda1 15G 11G 3,5G 75% / [19:13] okay, so I can do 400mb for /boot 20GB for / and 15GB for everything else [19:14] I use 11 GB and it's full of apps [19:14] so you say that "/" gets eaten up pretty quickly [19:14] okay so I'll go with 20 [19:14] what about "order"? [19:14] genoobie do you really need a separate boot partition ? [19:14] it was suggested but not really [19:14] order? [19:14] I don't know why I would or wouldn't to be honest [19:14] swap first if you want and then / and then /home [19:14] so melodie if I create these partitions [19:15] ok [19:15] this is not really so important but you can go this way [19:15] well I'd like / to be sda2 ideall [19:15] ideally [19:15] you have a separate boot partition when you want to share the boot between several distributions [19:15] most of the documentation is written that way [19:15] yeah, I'm not going to do that [19:15] some used to do that when the hard drives where small and they had distros that could use the same kernel [19:16] so if I want / on sda2, would I start with that first? [19:16] genoobie the /dev/sda2 can be your / or it could be an extended partition [19:16] melodie: thanks for this help btw [19:17] ugh [19:17] you want an extended partition if you will have more than 4 partitions on the hard drive because the hard drives can't have more than 4 primary partitions [19:17] then the first logical partition in an extended partition will be /dev/sda5 [19:17] when I created the partition it's called "/dev/sda5" and the mount point is "/" [19:17] the following will be /dev/sda6 [19:18] so do I want a primary partition for "/"? [19:18] not necessarily [19:18] well it's going to be "bootable" [19:18] if that makes any diff [19:18] no [19:18] thats for windows [19:19] Windows needs the boot flag, GNU/Linux doesn't [19:19] so briefly, what's the point of primary vs. logical [19:19] primary: [19:19] 4 partitions max on a hard drive [19:19] NTFS needs to be on a primary [19:20] you can have: [19:20] /dev/sda1 Ntfs [19:20] "/dev/sda2 ext4 [19:20] /dev/sda1 Ntfs for the user personal Documents [19:20] /dev/sda1 Ntfs [19:20] /dev/sda2 Ntfs for the user personal Documents - if any [19:21] I mean if any separate partition for the Windows personal files [19:21] then you can have whatever you want to [19:21] what I do: [19:21] so do I create a 40GB primary partition for "/" and 20GB within this for "/home"? [19:21] or two separate partitions [19:21] I often have a distro which has everything in it in a primary partition [19:21] each with different mount points [19:21] then from there I can partition the rest without booting a live [19:22] because you can't partition a mounted partition, right? So this is just a tip [19:22] oh [19:22] okay so I'll create two separate partitions each with their own mount point [19:22] and if you create an extended partition: [19:22] you can put as many partitions you want in it [19:23] suppose you want one just to put your video and audio files in it, you could do that and mount it to a directory of your choice [19:23] so there's no advantage to having a "primary partition" as it were [19:23] it's really very flexible [19:23] I need a good book [19:23] but to get started [19:23] yes, to get started: [19:24] do one primary partition for your /, one extended partition for swap and /home and keep an empty space after the extended partition for future needs or tests [19:24] then you can switch method any time according to your wishes [19:25] that's where I am just a bit confused [19:25] make that last primary partition as large or a little more than the partition for the / [19:25] hard drive: [19:25] a scheme [19:25] so I am making a primary partition 20GB for "/" [19:25] that's already done and in my table [19:26] the next partition I want to create is for swap and /home? [19:26] [---Ntfs primary---][--- system / primary ---][extended → a partition for swap | a partition for /home--][--primary for future use--] [19:26] that would be a single logical partition? [19:26] does that scheme help ? [19:26] yeah, just need to understand that in gparted [19:27] genoobie ok [19:27] so okay, so I have /dev/sda5 as ext4 and a mountpoint of /home [19:27] you will take for granted that one extended partition is seen by the hard drive controller as a primary partition [19:27] now i create a swap partition [19:28] genoobie I let you manage your thing now. ;) [19:29] so I have /dev/sda1 ntfs [19:29] I have /dev/sda2 for / [19:29] I have /dev/sda5 for /home [19:29] and finally /dev/sda6 for /swap [19:29] and finally /dev/sda6 for swap [19:30] then there's 75GB "free space" [19:30] for whatever I wish [19:30] in theory, when I upgrade to the next lubuntu, I only need to play with "/" [19:31] you will have to tell it that /dev/sda5 is your /home [19:31] and not to format it [19:31] right [19:32] is the 75 GB space in the extended partition or after it? [19:32] and boot loader goes to "/dev/sda" [19:32] after [19:32] it's just called "free space" after the swap [19:33] yes, you can put the boot loader to /dev/sda : which has for name MBR, Master Boot Record [19:33] in Gparted you can see the two logical partitions wrapped into another color which represents the space containing the extended partition [19:34] usually light blue [19:36] well it looks like it's on the move [19:36] :) [19:36] I'm going to have 3 separate users [19:36] me and my two children [19:36] ok [19:36] very good [19:36] btw thanks again for the hand holding :) [19:37] you are welcome [19:37] how old are your children? [19:37] 10 [19:37] twins [19:37] good [19:37] windows is such a bear to maintain [19:37] are you going to install edu software for them? [19:37] yes [19:38] :) [19:38] hopefully they'll install it themselves [19:38] I have done some edu versions in another distro a pair of years ago, I 'll try to do a ubuntu openbox with the same setup before Christmas [19:38] I am trying to phase out winxp [19:38] they should not install it themselves, you should give them a hand [19:39] right [19:39] you can look at a list I used [19:39] much as you are helping me [19:39] http://meylodie.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/pclinuxos-education-en-2 [19:40] look at the "Highlighted Applications" list particularly [19:40] get the same in your install and you can start having fun with the children [19:41] other games are fun too, such as pingus, supertux, supertuxkart ... [19:41] frozen bubble... [19:41] :D [19:41] will do [19:42] hey [19:42] :) [19:42] have fun! [19:42] now I am booted into lubuntu [19:42] I don't see that my wireless is working [19:42] now I'm leaving ;) [19:42] see you [19:42] okay [19:42] thanks again! [19:42] welcome again! [19:43] should I give them "admin" [19:46] hey [19:46] trying to get my wireless working [19:58] hello again [19:58] well I used lspi [19:58] and there is "broadcom bcm4318" being reported by lspi [19:59] but ifconfig doesn't show an interface [19:59] so I need a driver I think [20:01] !bcm | genoobie [20:01] genoobie: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [20:04] thanks, reading it now [20:06] Unit193: problem is the machine doesn't presently have internet access [20:06] but I have a computer that does with USB transfer [20:06] i mean using a flash drive [20:06] so how do I get the "driver" onto the USB then installed onto the lubuntu machine [20:07] Has an offline section, I've followed that a while back. [20:08] thanks [20:13] It looks like Lubuntu is going to end up better than xubuntu at the rate it's going..... xubuntu hasn't changed much the past few years. [20:26] "Julien Lavergne announced in June 2013 that Lubuntu 13.10 will ship with Firefox as its default browser in place of Chromium." Whooo muh freedoms. [20:31] Hi #Lubuntu, When I "sudo apt-get install wine1.7" i get the following error regarding unmet dependencies http://paste.ubuntu.com/6142822. I'm stumped, can anyone help? [20:31] !wine | austin [20:31] austin: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu [20:32] Thanks phill, apologies [20:33] austin: no need to apologise, just that we don't have too much experience with it. I can say that the advice I've picked up over time is to always use the latest version, if in only beta. [20:33] In the future wine is getting a huge performance boost. :) [20:33] *even if it is beta* [20:33] Wine is perpetually beta/alpha :P [20:35] they do have stable releases, but the cutting edge one seems to be recommened one. i always suggest http://www.winehq.org/ [20:35] Agreed, I'm quite new to IRC and didnt realise there's a channel for the majority of subjects [20:35] Ironically stable is never as good as the latest... except for when there's a regression... [20:35] You kinda need 2 wines for everything to work, playonlinux or wahtever can manage that. [20:37] austin: all feel free to pop in here and ask, we are being abrupt when we get the details from the bot, it's just faster than us typing it all in :D [20:37] *we are NOT being*... drat.. dyslexic fingers again :D [20:37] I understand :) [20:37] #lubuntu doesn't rage being OT like some channels :P [20:38] Thats good to hear, when i saw the error i was worried about the grief i might get by asking [20:38] x joined [20:38] x asks question [20:38] x gets answer [20:38] x has left [20:38] austin: if you ever want just a chat, we do have an O/T channel. #lubuntu-offtopic [20:39] ok, i'll keep quiet and join that channel ty phill [20:39] #lubuntu on the other hand rages when things are not minimal, muh screen space, muh rams [20:39] lubuntu prides itself on being friendly :) [20:40] Also being faster. [20:41] Too bad steam box isn't using lxde due to no "corporate support" :( [20:42] They're using gnome or unity from te looks of it... but they mention Qt support as well. [20:42] unity is using qt in the future isn't it [20:44] kristal: I don't know what unity is using, but lxde is moving gradually to Qt. It's a lot of work! [21:26] Soo... lxde and razorqt merging to become lxde-qt... when lubuntu becomes qt based It'd be interesting to see the theme change to give hommage to razor... perhaps a background with a sword jabbed into the ubuntu/lubuntu logo. :P [21:31] All the other ubuntus are becoming too big to fit on CD :( [21:42] It's funny how firefox uses more cpu but chrome uses more ram... firefox has tons of addons, mmm addons, and firefox phone! [22:04] brb [22:10] kristal: only lubuntu is committed to CD size for 13.10 [22:49] phillw, and netboot ;) [22:49] brb [22:50] hi [22:51] hello melodie [22:51] It'd be interesting if Lubuntu has hardly any preinstaled software, so you'd have a small live disk to downlaod and install, and once installed a "pick your XYZ" UI comes up, you check the things you want, they install, bam, super friendly customization. [22:51] hello Noskcaj [22:52] kristal you can do almost the same with Ubuntu Mini Remix [22:52] melodie: Yup, but I bet lubuntu can do it better :) [22:52] kristal, That is netboot [22:52] net is too minimal for typical users imo [22:52] kristal then from there you can install the lubuntu-desktop meta package [22:53] kristal you have only a few packages missing, and I can give that list to you [22:53] kristal, MOst users don't want to "pick and chose", they want it already there. If you want more choice/lightness uninstall things or use netboot [22:54] Noskcaj quite true also [22:55] sad because it's true... [22:55] although even casuals argue over FF/Chrome :P [23:07] kristal if you want to annoy them, tell them about Midori ! [23:07] ^^ [23:08] It's a good browser, but FF has muh addons. [23:08] kristal anyway you can't say Lubuntu has lots of programs installed for the user, it's quite minimal [23:09] Going from Chroms to Firefox makes sense when you see the browser stats, it's by far the most popular so people were mostly switching that as soon as they installed. [23:10] And ya, very little preinstalled, which is good, faster dl/install/imaging [23:15] I would like to have htop and mesa-utils added in it [23:17] Ya why the hell isn't htop on, it's kinda a defacto standard, everyone uses it... as for mesa-utils... that's very not mainstream, although I use it too. [23:19] AMD;s new GPUs are coming out, brace for wave of cheap awesome-o 7000 cards on sale. [23:23] That feeling when you realize LTS is much older than Debian Stable right now... 14 LTS can't come soon enough. [23:27] melodie: kristal As lubuntu is facing reducing the number of language packs, adding in things like htop etc only eats up disk space. For as long as lubuntu is committed to a CD sized ISO, they will keep things 'small'. :) [23:28] Well... I see lots of space being used by artwork... could slim down that. [23:28] Better compression and symlinking redundant things. [23:28] kristal: the amount of space used for the artwork is very small. [23:29] How about the sounds? Recycle and dump some wav for oggs [23:30] we do not have sounds, such as startup sounds... we dropped them long ago :) [23:30] Hmm... perhaps it's a bad idea looking at my install after I added stuff... gonna mount a fresh image [23:31] kristal: indeed :) We do keep it very lean :) [23:31] Too bad you can't use 7zip for higher compression. :P [23:32] The poor image server... all the cpu power needed for that :P [23:32] How tight for space are you? I could hunt around for some stuff on the daily live. [23:37] kristal: the beta1 manifest can be viewed at http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/ubuntu-dvd/lubuntu/releases/13.10/beta-1/lubuntu-13.10-beta1-desktop-amd64.manifest It is also on a lp area, I just don't have that link to hand :) [23:37] man languages eat a lot [23:40] yup, but essential as we are multi-language in our developers. Julien will only countence removing one if all else has failed. [23:40] Some of the graphics drivers are to cards soo old they would be in computers too old to run lubuntu... :-/ [23:40] phillw I'm sure I could find stuff to remove to make space for htop and mesa-utils ;) [23:40] melodie: more likely ant room would be used to add in the lang packs we've sacrificed. [23:41] phillw no chance, that would be too space greedy [23:41] I can have a look in my vbox now [23:41] But, all this is for 14.04, and should be pointed to the brainstorming area. [23:41] xserver-xorg-video- Is wasting space, some of those drivers don't work properly and are from the early 1990's [23:42] well, the cards themselves are [23:42] kristal not that kind of packages [23:42] they are very important [23:42] and not very space greedy btw [23:43] Something like xserver-xorg-video-cirrus which is one of the oldest is used in VMs, so you need to keep that... but xserver-xorg-video-trident is basically broken. [23:43] which ones of these drivers don't work well? [23:43]