[00:11] <genoobie> hey all
[00:13] <genoobie> trying to install b43 bw43 fwcutter without usb
[00:13] <genoobie> I mean without internet
[00:13] <genoobie> so I can't apt-get
[00:15] <phillw> genoobie: didn't you get the off-line link from unit earlier today?
[00:15] <genoobie> yes
[00:15] <genoobie> but that's for 12.04
[00:16] <genoobie> I don't think the same applies to 13.04
[00:16] <genoobie> and under /cdrom/pool/main there's no "b"
[00:17] <genoobie> phillw: any tips?
[00:18] <phillw> genoobie: I've only ever added b43 with ethernet plugged in... please give me a few (as in 10 -15 minutes) to have a dig around for you.
[00:19] <genoobie> I'll keep digging too
[00:22] <phillw> genoobie: having had a quick look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2090138 getting said computer plugged into an ethernet link is by far the least painful method.
[00:22] <genoobie> yeah, I've found the b43-firmware extractor
[00:22] <genoobie> and I've got the b43 firmware
[00:22] <genoobie> I'll just put in the "b" directory
[00:23] <genoobie> and follow the directions from there
[00:23] <phillw> If you cannot, then I'd suggest following that thread and asking. You will not be the 1st person to have faced this and asking will really speed things up for you.
[00:24] <phillw> good, it's not our fault that we can have it on the live cd and not ship it when installing. It's their stupid licence.
[00:25] <genoobie> understood
[00:25] <genoobie> I hope the pkg dependencies are all there...
[00:25] <genoobie> libc6, etc
[00:31] <phillw> they are on the liveCD, one of the craziest things I see is when finishing off an install, you can see it deleting the broadcom com stuff. :: SIGH ::
[00:35] <phillw> genoobie: I've got to head for bed. Please do leave how you get on / if there are still issues. one of the support people will answer within 24 hours.
[00:45] <genoobie> okay
[00:45] <genoobie> using this link
[00:45] <genoobie> http://askubuntu.com/questions/304900/how-do-i-install-my-wireless-card-driver-offline
[00:52] <genoobie> do you have to sudo dkpg?
[00:54] <phillw> genoobie: yes, dpkg requires sudo before it... If you have just issued the command issue
[00:54] <phillw> sudo !!
[00:54] <phillw> to repeat the command with sudo at the start... I'm osrry that I will not be around for the remainder of your issue.
[00:54] <phillw> *sorry*
[00:59] <genoobie> I'm stuck
[00:59] <loobuntu> Hallo, I'm wondering, since I'm using a seperate /home partition, how big should the os part be? I'm going to install a lot of stuff like blender/vbox/libre/wine/-dev things... 40GB good? or should I go bigger, hmmm
[00:59] <genoobie> bb in a bit
[01:00] <loobuntu> oh rage, pidgin actually closed when i hit x instead of going to tray
[01:01] <ianorlin> of how big a drive?
[01:03] <loobuntu> I have a 500GB drive and I'd like as much as possible for /home, I know ubuntu can fit in 4GB stock, but after you install a lot that can blow up.
[01:04] <phillw> loobuntu: I'd suggest 10 GB for /
[01:05] <phillw> /dev/sda4       9.0G  5.4G  3.1G  64% /
[01:05] <phillw> that is my / partition and I do a lot of testing.
[01:07] <phillw> 9.0G avaialbe, 5.4 G free, 3.1 G being used.... As 10 GB is so small a percentage of 500GB, go for allocating that .02 % :D
[01:08] <loobuntu> I think I'll go for 30GB which is huge just so I can have a complete backup image of / stored in /...
[01:09] <loobuntu> I wish pidgin was more like quassel for irc so I could have 1 program fewer running...
[01:10] <phillw> loobuntu: as you wish, but 10GB is plenty. consider having a separate /home as a start of the journey... when you learn about LVM, it will open up a whole new world.
[01:12] <loobuntu> lubuntu reminds me of chromeos... which is funny since you switched to firefox... perhaps a red theme is in order now :P
[01:15] <phillw> loobuntu: lubuntu is a bit of a mix... it is cutting edge, but requires that it will run on old kit. This does mean that it runs like the wind on new kit. I loved it when I 1st got involved in 10.04, it is still my favourite.
[01:16] <loobuntu> I'm thinking of switiching from xubuntu, which is kinda slow moving... kinda... very
[01:16] <loobuntu> I cna't telll the difference between hardy and saucy xubuntu lol
[01:17] <phillw> the xubuntu people are also fantastic, we all born of the same family. I always ask people to try the family and then decide which suits them the best.
[01:17] <loobuntu> Do the lubuntu devs intentionally develop on limited hardware to force themselves to keep minimal? I kinda do that on software development, I cap cpu and ram so I can run fast on little
[01:18] <loobuntu> Kubuntu > lubuntu = xubuntu > ubuntu
[01:18] <loobuntu> :P
[01:18] <loobuntu> Although kubuntu is huge and breaks sometimes...
[01:19] <ianorlin> you cna install other irc clients with apt-get or lsc or synaptic
[01:19] <phillw> to a degree, yes. I used to write Qbasic with CDOS on a 286 processor so that when it went to 386 with multiple users, it would run fast... always stood me in good stead, and with every decision made for lxde such resources have to be taken into account.
[01:20] <loobuntu> Nowadays there's KVM, fire up a little one with various specs to see how things run. :)
[01:20] <loobuntu> Virtualbox really popular but sometimes buggy
[01:22] <phillw> kvm has issues! I use both
[01:23] <loobuntu> My servers use KVM... if they had issues I'd be in trouble
[01:23] <phillw> loobuntu: then do not accept the default video driver, you will get in trouble.
[01:24] <loobuntu> OI I found a bug... I can alt drag everything normally except for minesweeper, what an evil program
[01:26] <loobuntu> Hmm, I can't alt drag any of the games, I wonder what's doing that... game capping input of the alt key, or lxde
[01:26] <phillw> cirrus has a problem, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58574 (ubuntu bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1080674 )
[01:26] <loobuntu> solitaire works, it has a window border too
[01:27] <loobuntu> Oh lame, I'll have to change that before i try things on kvm
[01:29] <phillw> Yup, just a heads up.... I use VMVGA, just set it as you install.
[01:29] <loobuntu> I wonder if my IRL cirrus PCI card from... 92 or something, works lol
[01:31] <phillw> it was one of several hits that were taken. I did get a cherry pick from red-hat for another bug issue. This one is out of our hands at this moment.
[01:34] <phillw> by the way, loobuntu these discussions are best carried out on #lubuntu-offtopic as they are not directly related to the lubuntu release. Thanks.
[02:39] <genoobie> hey all
[02:39] <genoobie> anyone here?
[02:50] <ianorlin> yes
[02:52] <ianorlin> still the broadcom problem?
[06:32] <manik_> hello
[06:43] <manik_> can somebody help me, I want to switch back from openbox to default after rebooting
[06:43] <bioterror> what's default?
[06:45] <manik_> Lubuntu's lxde
[06:45] <manik_> Want to get that login window where we get to choose, I guess.
[06:59] <pepee> manik_, to choose the desktop environment?
[07:00] <pepee> lightdm?
[08:35] <philipballew> I want to add keymapping to Banshee so i can play pause the song when the app is minimized.  How can I turn my function keys into multimedia keys?
[15:15] <speckmade> trying to install from CD here
[15:16] <phillw> speckmade: have you run the self test on the CD?
[15:16] <speckmade> the live system has /dev/sda5 mounted under /cdrom and refuses to let it go
[15:16] <speckmade> oh - gonna do that, of course.
[15:16] <speckmade> but I wouldn't think it can come from damaged disc.
[15:17] <speckmade> /dev/sda5 is where I want to have /
[15:17] <speckmade> there's already an older version of Ubuntu on /dev/sda5
[15:17] <phillw> speckmade: *always* do the self test on the CD. Then we all know we have a good image.
[15:17] <speckmade> sure. just a minute.
[15:26] <speckmade> seems like hitting "check disc for errors" just gives me the boot animation forever
[15:26] <speckmade> the disc doesn't get accessed and spins down after a short while.
[15:26] <phillw> speckmade: my 1st thought therefore is that the disc is not 'good'.
[15:27] <phillw> do you have the ISO on hard-disk?
[15:27] <speckmade> I successfully installed from that very disc just two days ago...
[15:27] <speckmade> think so.
[15:27] <speckmade> checked the MD5 against the website
[15:28] <phillw> a disc can get damaged, also no two CD-Drives are quite the same....
[15:28] <phillw> Data CD's are for more 'picky' than audio ones are.
[15:30] <speckmade> sure - but such behaviour? what chance is there for something like that happening just from some randomness?
[15:30] <phillw> does the new computer that you want to install on have a working operating system that you can boot into?
[15:30] <speckmade> yes.
[15:30] <speckmade> the one I want to replace, for instance.
[15:31] <phillw> speckmade: fortunately very rare, but it does happen. that is why the 1st thing I wanted you to do was to confirm the CD is being read by the computer okay.
[15:32] <phillw> okies, boot into that system and let me know what version / arch you are using for the install so I can do the maths to give you the manual command to check the cD
[15:34] <speckmade> machine is 32 bit
[15:35] <phillw> what link did you get the ISO from?
[15:35] <speckmade> installed is (l)Ubuntu quantal
[15:35] <phillw> the one on the CD :)
[15:36] <speckmade> that one, I think: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/13.04/release/lubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso
[15:36] <speckmade> yeah - 13.04
[15:37] <phillw> speckmade: great, give me a few mins to do the maths.
[15:39] <phillw> speckmade: is 486d94f51b42b401ab72ca8fcedb2e97  lubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso
[15:39] <phillw>  the md5sum you expected?
[15:43] <phillw> if that is the ISO and expected md5sum, I've done the maths so you can manually test the CD from a working machine.
[15:47] <speckmade> yes
[15:48] <phillw> okies, pop the cd in. if pcmanfm opens it up, cancel that. Then open up a terminal session (LXTerminal)
[15:50] <phillw> dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=351744 | md5sum
[15:50] <speckmade> sure
[15:51] <speckmade> /dev/cdrom is not there, it's on /dev/sr0
[15:51] <speckmade> runnning...
[15:51] <phillw> that will force a read of the cdrom and spit out the md5sum. If it is not 486d94f51b42b401ab72ca8fcedb2e97 then the CD is no use on that computer
[15:52] <phillw> okies, it's usually /dev/cdrom. but where ever the cd mounts is okay :)
[15:53] <phillw> the blocksize of 2048 is the fastest that I  was told to use... using the default of blocksize=1 can take well over an hour!
[15:55] <speckmade> 486d94f51b42b401ab72ca8fcedb2e97
[15:56] <phillw> that looks good to me :)
[15:57] <speckmade> everything else would've been the easier diagnosis, eh?..
[15:57] <phillw> speckmade: in some ways, but having a good CD counts the most :)
[15:58] <speckmade> other things about the machine here:
[15:59] <phillw> I am assuming that you are familiar with partitions. Can you let tell me what size the /dev/sda5 partition is.
[16:00] <speckmade> harddisk might be getting old (SMART says it's good overall, but read error counter increases every minute - otherwise nothing wrong.)
[16:00] <phillw> from terminal...
[16:00] <phillw> df -h
[16:01] <phillw> I'd actually suggest using alterante image, but we can do this with desktop
[16:01] <speckmade> 185 GB
[16:01] <speckmade> sda5
[16:02] <phillw> do you need all that?!!! 10GB is enough for / and then use the remainder for /home :)
[16:02] <phillw> but, we'll go with that. what partition has your swap area?
[16:03] <speckmade> and then - there is random freezes and reboots sometimes... - maybe something wrong with the thermal grease.
[16:03] <speckmade> just a moment...
[16:03] <phillw> speckmade: sudo fdisk -l
[16:04] <speckmade> I either remember wrong things or the live system (13.04) told me the other one was sda5 ...
[16:04] <speckmade> well - it's like that:
[16:04] <speckmade> partition 1: 1.2 GiB swap
[16:05] <speckmade> 2: 1.2 GiB ext4 for a live system - irrelevant here.
[16:05] <speckmade> then extended partition
[16:05] <phillw> look for the partition that says "82  Linux swap / Solaris
[16:05] <phillw> " at the end of the line
[16:05] <speckmade> with two sub-partitions
[16:06] <phillw> live does not format up a swap partition, it will be there from the exisiting system.
[16:06] <speckmade> gnome-disks says there's first /dev/sda6 - that's root.
[16:06] <speckmade> and then there's the 185 GiB for /home
[16:07] <phillw> speckmade: from terminal, please issue the command
[16:07] <phillw> sudo fdisk -l
[16:07] <phillw> enter your password and look for where 82  Linux swap / Solaris is
[16:07] <speckmade> /dev/sda1   *        2048     2439167     1218560   82  Linux Swap / Solaris
[16:08] <phillw> Hmm, well I've never seen swap on the 1st primary partition before... but if that is what it says, it is not lying!
[16:09] <speckmade> so according to gnome-disks it's actually sda6 where I want to format and install
[16:09] <speckmade> yeah - my selfmade chaos.
[16:09] <speckmade> went well so far.
[16:10] <speckmade> thought I put it there because it's where the disk is fastest
[16:10] <phillw> swap usually lives on /dev/sda5 ... but each to themself :D
[16:11] <speckmade> root on extended was also fine so far.
[16:11] <phillw> okies, well me know where swap is... are you 100% sure where you want to install lubuntu? Once committed, there is no going back,
[16:12] <phillw> sad5 or sda6 ?
[16:12] <speckmade> root on the 12 GiB partition, /home on the 185
[16:12] <phillw> which are which... write them down!
[16:13] <speckmade> fdisk and gnome-disks agree that the big one is 5 and the 12 GiB one is 6 ...
[16:13] <speckmade> I just think I remember something else from the live system the minute ago...
[16:13] <phillw> okies, I take it that you do not want to re-format /home and lose all the data on there?
[16:14] <speckmade> I don't want to format /home , of course.
[16:14] <speckmade> yes.
[16:14] <phillw> then when we manually apply the partitions, ensure the "format me" box does not have a 'X' in it!
[16:15] <speckmade> I surely did so!.. :-)
[16:16] <speckmade> but then it thought that the CD was sitting where I wanted to format for the root dir...
[16:17] <speckmade> I wonder if i should file a bug somewhere - but so far I don't understand what's happening.
[16:18] <phillw> speckmade: let me just set up a precise VM so I can follow the sequence...
[16:19] <speckmade> My next idea would be installing from the internet with the mini.iso via Unetbootin.
[16:19] <speckmade> dunno what you have in mind...
[16:20] <speckmade> but I also like to understand what is happening with the live system
[16:20] <speckmade> and whether I could give interesting bug reports...
[16:20] <speckmade> If you wanna try something else I'll do it gladly, I think.
[16:21] <speckmade> (It's also fun to learn other things... :-) )
[16:21] <phillw> I'm just scrambling up a VM with precise installer.
[16:21] <phillw> I've not actually used it with desktop for a while...
[16:21] <speckmade> I'd be installing raring...
[16:22] <phillw> which one do you want to install?
[16:22] <speckmade> raring
[16:22] <phillw> okies... a couple of moments while I se-set :)
[16:22] <speckmade> isn't it raring?..
[16:23] <speckmade> 13.04
[16:23] <phillw> yes, I'm running saucy. but I'll kick one in
[16:23] <speckmade> yes, 13.04 - Raring Ringtail
[16:23] <speckmade> that'd be 13.10?
[16:24] <phillw> that's good, I still have a desktop raring system here :)
[16:25] <speckmade> also thought about beta testing - but that one is kinda for productive use.
[16:25] <speckmade> though the new software in 13.04 makes my life easier - so no LTS.
[16:27] <phillw> speckmade: okies, the VM is just firing up... Can you boot with your CD and let's see how we get on.
[16:27] <speckmade> sure.
[16:29] <speckmade> so - we want the live system - not "install lubuntu"?
[16:29] <phillw> as you want to install.... choose that one :)
[16:30] <speckmade> oh - guess what it does?
[16:30] <speckmade> it really boots - from harddisk - somehow!
[16:30] <speckmade> that's why it has sda5 as /cdrom .
[16:31] <phillw> sda5 cannot be cdrom!
[16:31] <phillw> well, not unless you've been doing crazy things under /dev
[16:31] <speckmade> yes - but it is treating it as if the cdrom was there.
[16:31] <speckmade> CD is not spinning
[16:31] <speckmade> harddisk is making noises
[16:32] <speckmade> it's taking ages to boot - just like it usually does when booting from CD
[16:32] <speckmade> and now there is the desktop
[16:32] <phillw> check your BIOS and ensure you have not accidently demoted CD drive to below hard disk in the priorites.
[16:32] <speckmade> but definately not the one from the 12.10 on the harddisk
[16:33] <speckmade> I get the boot menu from CD, you know...
[16:33] <speckmade> select german language
[16:33] <speckmade> and then "Try lubuntu without installing"
[16:34] <phillw> choose that one...
[16:34] <speckmade> or "install lubuntu" - to a similar effect.
[16:34] <speckmade> did so
[16:34] <speckmade> now I have a desktop booted
[16:34] <phillw> top left of the screen will be the option to install lubuntu
[16:35] <speckmade> all with the Ubiquity "install" button
[16:35] <speckmade> yes
[16:35] <speckmade> still it has booted from sda somehow
[16:35] <phillw> how much RAM do you have?
[16:35] <speckmade> 1 GiB
[16:35] <speckmade> mount says:
[16:36] <speckmade> /dev/sda6 on /cdrom
[16:37] <speckmade> you say there is usually swap back there? maybe it's looking for useable swap on the HD and ends up finding Ubuntu and booting from there somehow?..
[16:37] <speckmade> that's so weird...
[16:37] <phillw> open up the browser and listen for cd activity
[16:38] <phillw> nvm
[16:38] <speckmade> /dev/sr0 - the actual CD drive - is mounted under /media/lubuntu/Lubuntu
[16:38] <phillw> do you have the Installation Type window on the machine?
[16:39] <phillw> brb, boot the CD and go into 'Try Lubuntu' so we are both on the same screen.
[16:39] <speckmade> what do you mean - the "overwrite Ubuntu", "overwrite everything, "something else" thing?
[16:39] <phillw> something else :D
[16:40] <phillw> As we are doing something else....
[16:40] <speckmade> that's where I am. I cuold start Ubiquity now.
[16:40] <speckmade> yes - gonna go there.
[16:40] <phillw> you are already running ubiquity.... :D
[16:40] <speckmade> I just think I already know the effect...
[16:41] <phillw> Well, let us set it up as per what you have notes for...
[16:41] <speckmade> no - now I am.
[16:42] <speckmade> so here I am right after the "something else" in the partitioning step.
[16:42] <phillw> okies, you should now see a list of all the partitons.
[16:42] <speckmade> it's suggesting sdb for bootloader o.O
[16:43] <speckmade> sure.
[16:43] <speckmade> everything like fdisk told.
[16:43] <speckmade> and the gnome-thingy
[16:44] <speckmade> so now I'd select sda6, hit "change"
[16:45] <speckmade> select "format", use as ext4 on /
[16:45] <phillw> So, click on /dev/sda6 hit change, set it to be /home and set it as not to be formatted :D
[16:45] <speckmade> then have sda5 as ext4 on /home - without formatting
[16:45] <speckmade> the other way round.
[16:46] <phillw> (17:13:16) speckmade: fdisk and gnome-disks agree that the big one is 5 and the 12 GiB one is 6 ...
[16:46] <phillw> go check your own notes.....
[16:47] <phillw> oops, yeah. sda5 is home!
[16:47] <phillw> sda6 is to /
[16:47] <phillw> (select format)
[16:47] <phillw> and sda1 is swap (select format)
[16:48] <speckmade> yes - that's what I tried to do already.
[16:48] <phillw> then apply all the changes
[16:49] <speckmade> so now I hit "install" (german here - so dunno what you see exactly)
[16:49] <phillw> Yup, Install now ...
[16:50] <speckmade> now there's this unavoidable message popping up: "unable to unmount" or so.
[16:50] <phillw> Grrr, I've had this before.
[16:50] <speckmade> "has to perform changes to partition tables"
[16:51] <speckmade> "following mount points .. unable to unmount: /cdrom"
[16:51] <speckmade> "please close all..."
[16:51] <speckmade> "want to try again?"
[16:52] <speckmade> can't close that blocking program, obviously - because strangely it happens to be the live system...
[16:53] <speckmade> how come it boots from HD here?
[16:53] <speckmade> what's it actually doing, exactly?.. o.O
[16:54] <speckmade> I guess the mini.iso method should work - but - just what is happening here?..
[16:55] <speckmade> what did you have before?
[16:55] <speckmade> the thing I'm telling you about?
[16:56] <speckmade> are there interesting parallels to discover that could tell why it happens?
[16:56] <speckmade> could it be an interesting report for somebody?
[16:56] <phillw> speckmade: not 100% sure... I'm an alternate install person. I was hoping a desktop person would have arrived. 32 bit alternate can be grabbed from http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/raring/release/
[16:57] <speckmade> yeah - would be pretty much the same thing as my mini.iso method.
[16:57] <phillw> it seems a crazy it happens and then does not bug. It is known about, and has been reported. Just trying to get it to repeat is a pain.
[16:58] <speckmade> so I could be useful for somebody?
[16:58] <phillw> alternate is faster as it has the stuff you need already there.
[16:58] <speckmade> so far I can reliably reproduce it.
[16:59] <speckmade> yes - but I need to download anyways and with the mini.iso I don't have to get and waste another cd.
[16:59] <speckmade> can you give me hints on where to find such a bug report?
[17:00] <phillw> Once we get the final beta out of the way (Thursday) do give me a dig in the ribs. I'll ask for what the bug number is. It does seem a ubiquity issue, but for raring it is not tooo likely that it will be SRU'd as it only has 4 months left  to live.
[17:01] <ianorlin> this may be good for one of the people that has this problem to try and see if it happens with saucy
[17:01] <phillw> ianorlin: you took the words out of my mouth :D
[17:01] <speckmade> so I'll  I try with 13.10 beta and see if it's till there.
[17:02] <speckmade> so now I install with mini.iso and hope it doesn't interfere with being able to reproduce the thing later..?
[17:02] <phillw> speckmade: that'd be really good, if you could.
[17:02] <speckmade> lovely. :-)
[17:03] <speckmade> It's nice spending time on such shit, if you get the impression that you are helping to resolve it once an for all. :-)
[17:04] <speckmade> I want to go to Norway soon - but I'll see what I can do.
[17:04] <phillw> speckmade: you can get more details of lubuntu testers at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing Feel free to join the mailing list, I'll approve you as soon as I see the request.
[17:04] <speckmade> so - thanks for the time so far.
[17:04] <speckmade> oh - me and email...
[17:04] <speckmade> :-/
[17:08] <phillw> speckmade: just as a very minor nag... please do be cautious of colourful language. this channel is fully logged and as it can also be accessed by young people, we are asked not to use words that could offend their parents... Yeah, I know the kids swear worse than that - But rules is rules :)
[17:10] <speckmade> oh.
[17:11] <speckmade> I've been watching some outh Park lately...
[17:12] <speckmade> oh!:
[17:13] <speckmade> "Unetbootin is presently installed. Remove existing version?"
[17:13] <speckmade> maybe it has to do with that!
[17:13] <speckmade> gonna check...
[17:19] <speckmade> indeed
[17:19]  * ianorlin might try and reproduce this
[17:19] <speckmade> now it boots from the CD
[17:20] <speckmade> ianorlin: where you able to follow? You know Unetbootin and what "Unetbootin is installed" means in this context?
[17:23] <speckmade> yeah. now Ubiquity is working as expected. My system is nearly there...
[17:29] <phillw> speckmade: to every odd thing that happens, there is... eventually.. an answr :)
[17:43] <pedrin2> hi, please i need help with driver wifi
[17:43] <pedrin2> i can't run internet with netbook packard bell easynote n65
[17:44] <pedrin2> i download this archive's: compat-wireless-2012-05-10
[17:45] <pedrin2> but i don't know why not make driver (sorry i don' speak English))
[17:45] <pedrin2> can any help me?
[17:51] <pedrin2> i try with madwifi
[18:00] <ianorlin> hmm wierd problem hitting reboot on a 64 bit raring live cd doesn't work
[18:01] <ianorlin> but it booted to live fine
[18:06]  * ianorlin still has an installed version though
[18:25] <phillw> ianorlin: that is a known bug for saucy, was not aware it could affect raring...
[18:26] <phillw> ianorlin: can you post up uname -a for your kernel.
[18:35] <ianorlin> on the livecd?
[18:36] <ianorlin> that didn't reboot right
[18:37] <Unit193> phillw: Install systemd-shim, logout issue fixed.
[18:40] <ianorlin> this is only on the livecd not the installed version
[18:47] <ianorlin> linux 3.8.0-19 #29 ubuntu Wed apl 17th x86-64 x86-64 x86-64 Gnu/Linux
[18:47] <ianorlin> the one on the live cd
[18:54] <kristal_> Antone notice a lot of qt apps don't show up when launched from the menu in 13.10
[18:57] <kristal> Man that's weird, some kde apps don't launch from the menu, but from terminal, no problem... hmm
[19:16] <phillw> kristal: lubuntu 13.10 is not Qt compliant yet. Most of the work will be done for 14.04 via lxde
[19:21] <phillw> kristal: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE-Qt
[19:22] <kristal> Well everything works, but whcn launched from the menu, the winodw doesn't show up, but it does launched from term
[19:22] <kristal> It's like the launcher itself has a bug
[19:24] <phillw> kristal: maybe the launcher has not yet been told "about" Qt. There was only so much that could be done in time for 13.10
[19:24] <Unit193> kristal: What'e the Exec line?
[19:25] <kristal> where does the menu store it's entries, i assume it isn't the default debian ones
[19:25] <Unit193> /usr/share/applications/
[19:25] <kristal> I bet kde things will launch jsut fine if fire off differently
[19:25] <Unit193> Sure, it's just a program, should work fine.
[19:26] <kristal> so /usr/share/applications is just shortcuts and the kde apps launch from there just fine, hmm, but not the menu
[19:27] <kristal> how do i get stdio from the lxde menu so I can see i it's giving errors
[19:28] <Unit193> You checked in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[19:28] <kristal> no errors there
[19:29] <kristal> just Script for cjkv started at run_im. Script for default started at run_im. So that's ok, or failing silently.
[19:30] <Unit193> Could always open a terminal and  lxpanelctl restart, but you'd lose the panel if you closed the terminal.
[19:30] <kristal> well, might as well try that
[19:31] <Unit193> I have a couple Qt applications, no issues.
[19:33] <kristal> well if i restart lxpanel from terminal, it doesn't stay hooked to terminal, i jsut get an error report and it restarts
[19:34] <Unit193> Meh, you can try and kill it then  lxpanel --profile Lubuntu
[19:34] <Unit193> Or, you can ignore it and use tint2. :D
[19:35] <kristal> uhh, lxpanelctl does not give any response to --help -help -hurrrrrrrrrr
[19:35] <kristal> It's quiet
[19:36] <kristal> oh well, man works as always
[19:37] <kristal> bam got it
[19:37] <kristal> kmines: '<caption>' missing.
[19:37] <kristal> kmines: Use --help to get a list of available command line options.
[19:37] <kristal> knetwalk: '<caption>' missing.
[19:37] <kristal> knetwalk: Use --help to get a list of available command line options.
[19:37] <kristal> wow, it refuses to launch because of optional field is empty
[19:37] <kristal> Yup, that be a little bug.
[19:38] <kristal> Can anyone replicate on 13.10?
[19:50] <phillw> kristal: I've just got the final-beta downloaded, I'll be trying it on a VM
[20:04] <kristal> I got my 13.10 iso from daily yesterday, all up to date. Kinda funny how everything seems to work except for some menu items.
[20:30] <phillw> kristal: grab today's, it is the final beta release... use zsync if you have the iso already on your computer.
[20:30] <kristal> phillw: Everything is up to date for me, just fug'd
[20:31] <phillw> iso dated 23rd Sept?
[20:31] <kristal> it was 22, but that doesn't matter if you jsut upgrade everything
[20:32] <phillw> not for testing an ISO it is not, I think they squeaked a new kernel in there :)
[20:32] <kristal> which you running?
[20:33] <phillw> I'll let you know when it installs :)
[20:33] <phillw> it's only be out for a few hours.
[20:34] <kristal> I wonder is the lowlatency kernel is better
[20:35] <phillw> I think it is a .8 kernel, which does not have the zram fix of 7-generic #14~lp1227202v1
[20:35] <phillw> but, it is what is in the test beta, so that is what we have to test :D
[20:35] <kristal> I'm on linux-image-3.11.0-8-generic
[20:36] <phillw> kristal: that does not have the fix for bug 1227202
[20:37] <Unit193> !rt| phillw
[20:38] <Unit193> Nothing else differs.
[20:39] <phillw> Unit193: the kernel build from jospeh of ubuntu-kernel actually has the patch in.... I'm not quite sure what RT kernel has to do with zram being borked in 3.11 kernels?
[20:40] <Unit193> lowlatency kernel, it's real time kernel, the difference is it's lowlat otherwise it follows the default kernel.
[20:41] <phillw> Unit193: and that explains what about zram being broken in 3.11 kernel?
[20:41] <phillw> sorry if I'm being dense.
[20:41] <kristal> I heard it's broken in 10, not very good in 11 and completely fixed in 12
[20:42] <phillw> kristal: it was fine up until 10.6, broken in 11 - but backport available and fixed in .12rc
[20:42] <Unit193> .11 had several commits on it, wasn't really following along, more interested in zswap. :P
[20:44] <kristal> SteamOS... it's HABBENING, LINUX GAMING MAINSTREAM
[20:45] <phillw> jonathan and Unit193 did not have time to complete a spin of a lubuntu ISO in the very limited time. So, the final beta goes out for testing with a known serious bug that will affect low RAM machines that use swap and also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2162655&page=3 it's just a pain that it gets realised as to the 'funnies' this late in the cycle.
[20:45] <Unit193> Well, meh.
[20:45] <phillw> c'est la vie.
[20:45] <Unit193> #lubuntu-offtopic still exists too.
[20:46] <kristal> Lubuntu not busy enough for 2 channels, yet... SOON... SOON...
[20:46] <phillw> Unit193: and when discussing a bug, I think #lubuntu is a fair channel. I will, however bow to your irc'ness and move there :)