[06:24] <ppisati> moin
[07:15] <smb> ppisati, morning
[07:15] <ppisati> smb: ciao
[07:21]  * ppisati goes for the monday morning dist-upgrade...
[07:23]  * smb waits to hear ppisati 's level of cursing
[07:23] <ppisati> can't be, just 267pkgs to upgrade, what could go wrong? :)
[07:28] <smb> Not so much what *could* but what *will* :)
[07:51]  * apw wonders if ppisati survived
[07:51] <apw> welcome back smb 
[07:51] <smb> apw, Morning
[07:52] <apw> morning
[08:03] <ppisati> yep, i'm alive
[08:04] <ppisati> from the album "Imaginations from the Other Side", Blind Guardian
[08:08] <apw> ppisati, :)
[09:03] <ppisati> brb
[11:16] <snadge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1217196
[11:17] <snadge> this bug has been assigned to gnome-shell, but the original submitter claims the problem appeared with a kernel update
[11:18] <snadge> i just happen to be having the same problem, ie.. i seem to have a setup which can reproduce the above issue
[11:19] <snadge> what i want to try to do is downgrade to an older saucy kernel, to see if the problem goes away
[11:20] <apw> snadge, sounds worth testing indeed
[11:20] <snadge> theres no real reason that contrl-alt-t shouldn't open a terminal in metacity.. it does in unity.. i assumed it was a change in something relating to that
[11:21] <snadge> but i've noticed that sometimes my keypresses arn't being registered.. particularly space
[11:21] <snadge> i just assumed my keyboard was becoming faulty / less responsive
[11:21] <apw> it seems highly unlikely that input handling is completely borked and noone has noticed, as kernel side that is completely orthoganal to the upper windowing system
[11:22] <apw> ie it work be broke for everyone using any windowing at all, and the bug implies that downgrading from gnome-shell has fixed it for the reported no ?
[11:23] <snadge> im using gnome in fallback mode with metacity.. im assuming the bug is related
[11:23] <snadge> it started happening after an update a few weeks to a month ago
[11:23] <apw> snadge, hard to say, but the test is easy to confirm if it is the kernel, boot an older kernel
[11:23] <apw> and if it goes away there is a relationship, it could still not be a bug in the kernel of course, but indicative
[11:27] <snadge> where can i find the older saucy kernels?
[11:29] <apw> snadge, well you should first check if you have them in your /boot already as you can have more than one kernel installed at the same time anyhow
[11:29] <snadge> yeah i've cleaned most of them out
[11:29] <apw> snadge, otherwise they are in the launchpad librarian which has everything ever published: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+publishinghistory
[11:30] <apw> that link has all the versions for the linunx package
[11:30] <apw> look for lines for 'Saucy' 'release' 
[11:32] <snadge> the version i want has been deleted
[11:33] <apw> it being 'deleted' just means it is not in the archive any more, because it was no longer referenced by a live archive pocket
[11:33] <apw> the link on the rigth still has the launchpad librarian copies
[11:33] <snadge> yeah im looking at that now.. udeb files and lots of module files.. what a headache
[11:34] <snadge> this is new to me
[11:34] <snadge> i have to download all of them ?
[11:34] <apw> you can ignore _all_ .udebs
[11:34] <apw> you need just the common headers (an _all package) and the _<arch>.debs you need for your architecture and flavour
[11:40] <snadge> ok im going to try 3.9.0-7
[11:54] <snadge> ok that one just freezes and wont input anything
[11:54] <snadge> have to hard reset it
[12:49] <snadge> ok so if i dont install linux-image-extra.. my pc crashes ;)
[13:52] <apw> snadge, heh that is half of the kernel after all
[13:56] <snadge> metacity shortcut problem doesnt appear to be kernel related anyway
[15:03] <apw> snadge, good to know
[15:03] <apw> kamal, i am assuming you are going to be applying your own patch for kteam-toosl
[16:08] <kdub> so, trying to compile saucy kernel for mako... complains that it can't find prebuilts/gcc/linux-x86/arm/arm-eabi-4.6/bin/arm-eabi-gcc-4.7
[16:08] <kdub> so i probably have to install the toolchain there? do most people just symlink to a toolchain or something?
[16:12] <ogra_> rtg, ^^^ can you help kdub a bit ? they are trying to get kernel patches in for Mir 
[16:12] <ogra_> or apw 
[16:13] <rtg> kdub, I think I was cross-compiling that kernel in Raring. lemme check
[16:13] <kdub> yes, i'm at the point where i'm waiting on a fence from the sync driver forever, want to dig a bit into what is going on
[16:13] <kdub> thangs rtg 
[16:14] <apw> yeah i thought you needed the appropriate cross compiler in your chroot
[16:15] <rtg> yep, requires gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabi in Raring
[16:15] <apw> i think we installed these two: gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabihf g++-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabihf
[16:15] <rtg> kdub, ^
[16:15] <apw> or something didn't we ?
[16:16] <rtg> apw, right, gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabihf
[16:16] <rtg> I think that gets everything you need
[16:16] <kdub> okay, giving it a try
[16:17] <apw> i think the one without hf gives you the el compilers, i _think_
[16:17] <rtg> kdub, echo "dpkg-buildpackage -d -B -aarmhf -us -uc"|schroot -c raring-amd64
[16:17] <apw> but install the whole damn lot :)
[16:17] <kamal> apw, yes I'll apply the kteam-tools patch -- if I can get it past the whitespace police!  ;-)  thanks for the ack, man.
[16:17]  * apw looks at kamal sideways ...
[16:18] <kamal> but if you look at me sideways, then you'll see that my tabs and spaces don't line up!
[16:18] <apw> heh indeed
[16:18] <rtg> apw, impertinent pup today, isn't he ?
[16:18] <apw> always, rtg, always
[16:19] <apw> kdub, or if you have a specific patch you want built we might be able to build it for you
[16:19] <apw> depending on how desperate timewise you are
[16:19]  * ogra_ guesses more desparate than we all can imagine
[16:20] <kdub> eh, i don't have a specific patch, just trying to get to the root of the problem still
[16:21] <kdub> there's a moderately big delta between what qcom's current drivers put out and cm-10.1 kernel
[16:21] <kdub> so i'll probably have to come up with some patch (once I understand a bit more) that fixes things
[16:21] <apw> good job we have so long before the release
[16:22] <ogra_> apw, touch works a lot different QA wise 
[16:22] <ogra_> we dont have freezes and milestones
[16:23] <ogra_> every daily image we release is handled like a milstone instead 
[16:31] <rtg> cking, have you got a bit to have a look at CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL_ALL as well ?
[16:32] <cking> rtg, yep, I can spin a kernel and test that tomorrow morning
[16:32] <rtg> cking, IIRC that was the config option that was giving us the most problems
[16:33] <cking> rtg, yep, I think I recall that too
[16:33] <kdub> let me back up a bit... the way i'm used to building kernels for android is in the android source tree, the ubuntu touch kernels aren't built like that though, right?
[16:34] <rtg> kdub, nope, they are debian packaged
[16:35] <kdub> ah :) i'll pursue that route then
[16:36] <apw> rtg, when you considering this nwe upload, for after thursday ?
[16:37] <apw> rtg, i want to switch out some hyperv bits for the next one
[16:38] <rtg> apw, dunno, anytime its convenient for you
[16:38] <apw> rtg, well we are fozded now through 'final beta' anyhow, so i'll get those patches sorted today 
[16:38] <apw> frozded
[16:39] <rtg> apw, frozded -> frozen ?
[16:39] <apw> yeah, past-made-up-participle of freeze
[16:39] <apw> as on erm 9pm my time today, except it seems to have happened already
[16:39] <apw> as of
[16:40] <rtg> apw, k-freeze isn't until next week
[16:40] <apw> rtg, indeed, but we are in archive freeze now so anything you upload won't be getting out of -proposed till friday
[16:41] <rtg> apw, grumble. so much for development velocity.
[16:41] <apw> yeah we can upload, but we won't get any images, but i'll get my patches switched round next
[16:41] <apw> so i won't be holding u up
[16:44] <apw> rtg, ok those patches slammed in
[17:08] <ppisati> it seems there's a new embedded linux distro for set top box&c:
[17:08] <ppisati> http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/
[17:11] <apw> ppisati, keep us informed as you find out more, i assume it will be linux under the hood after all the owrk they have done with us
[17:11] <ppisati> apw: yes, it's linux
[17:12] <ppisati> apw: "SteamOS combines the rock-solid architecture of Linux with a gaming experience built for the big screen."
[17:12]  * ppisati wonders on top of which distro they built this thing
[17:16] <apw> ppisati, yeah i wonder indeed
[17:27]  * ogra_ bets its another ubuntu-core breed
[17:27] <ogra_> like the OS in the tesla and in the google cars 
[17:43] <manjo> rtg, yeah I am not in favor of disabling it wholesale 
[17:44] <manjo> rtg, but we need to turn off CONFIG_HVC_DCC coz that causes hangs as well ... 
[17:44] <manjo> ppisati, ^ is cced on that discussion 
[17:44] <rtg> manjo, lets run all those changes through ppisati
[17:44] <manjo> yep ack 
[17:44] <manjo> he is cced on all those conversations 
[17:47] <ppisati> manjo: ???
[17:47] <ppisati> manjo: email subj?
[17:47] <manjo> ppisati, email galore for you :) 
[17:47] <rtg> ppisati, "Disable broken CPU offloading armhf"
[17:47] <manjo> ppisati, sub gotomeeting 
[17:48] <manjo> and sub what rtg just mentioned 
[17:48] <manjo> so 2 issues 
[17:49] <manjo> ppisati, would you like to listen in on those calls ? I know you have better things to do ... so your call on that 
[17:49] <manjo> ppisati, todays call starts in 15mts 
[17:49] <manjo> ppisati, tomorrow onwards calls at 10:30cst
[17:50] <rtg> manjo, prolly ought to take this to #hwe
[17:50] <manjo> yeah
[17:50] <ppisati> rtg: i never received that email, let me grep my inbox
[17:51] <manjo> ppetraki, switching channels 
[17:51] <manjo> ppisati, ^ oops
[17:51] <manjo> too many nics with pp 
[17:51] <manjo> ppisati, join hwe
[17:52] <ppisati> manjo: i'm already there
[17:52] <ppisati> manjo: ah no
[17:52] <ppisati> manjo: i'm on hyperscale
[18:56] <kdub> rtg, for building that arm kernel, what variant should debootstrap be? buildd isn't working for some reason
[19:02] <apw> kdub, you need to install the kernel build-depends in there obviously, but i assume you have done that
[19:04] <manjo> rtg, #hwe
[19:47] <kdub> apw, got the build started... had to do 'fakeroot debian/rules clean' first
[21:12] <phillw> jsalisbury: ping
[21:49]  * rtg -> EOD