[01:23] <maclin> Is anyone nearby can help to confirm the problem of qatracker rebuilding? I request a rebuild of UbuntuKylin on qatracker yesterday, But it has keep rebuilding status for 14+ hours  and I can't cancel the rebuild now.
[02:29] <ScottK> debfx: It's technically open, but if it's in Debian, I don't mind doing a sync, just file an FFe bug for the record.
[02:57] <infinity> slangasek: New fakeroot in sid has a patch from you.  Did you want to sync that?
[03:14] <slangasek> infinity: that patch is nothing urgent.  setpriority() no longer causes problems for upstart builds.
[03:15] <ScottK> infinity: If you have a spare tuit, would you please take a gander at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lesstif2/+bug/1222747/comments/29  - My brain is far to fuzzy to trust ATM.
[03:44] <maclin> infinity, hi
[04:09] <infinity> ScottK: Looked at and commented.
[04:10] <ScottK> infinity: Thanks.
[08:10] <cjwatson> maclin: The i386 livefs builder has been down all weekend and requires physical attention to bring it back up.  It's not specific to UbuntuKylin.
[08:10] <cjwatson> (Replying in two places since you asked in two places.  Best not to do that really.)
[08:12] <JackYu> cjwatson, :).
[08:15] <maclin> cjwatson, thanks
[08:19] <JackYu> cjwatson, hi, would you help to review the FFe request at bug #1227197?
[08:21] <cjwatson> I have a lot to do this morning, sorry
[08:21] <JackYu> ok:(
[08:29] <attente> hello, is there anyone i can talk to about this FFe? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-greeter/+bug/1228207
[08:31] <Laney> I'll look at the list of FFes later on
[08:46] <cjwatson> Laney: Wanna set up a migration block for final beta?
[08:47] <Laney> cjwatson: oh, yes, OK
[08:47] <Laney> give me a sec and I'll pastebin the list the script gives for you to review
[08:47] <smartboyhw> Laney, um, we have uploads for Studio here waiting to be uploaded for Final Beta and nobody is sponsoring
[08:48] <Laney> Things can be unblocked
[08:48] <smartboyhw> Laney, sure, telling you that:)
[08:50] <Laney> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6144679
[08:51] <cjwatson> Didn't moin used to have a copy-page action?
[08:51] <Laney> does here
[08:52] <cjwatson> Where is it? :)
[08:52] <cjwatson> Laney: TBH I'm not sure I can realistically review this.  What flavours did you select?
[08:52] <Laney> More actions: combo
[08:52] <Laney> ?action=CopyPage
[08:52] <cjwatson> Laney: Don't see it on help.ubuntu.com/community
[08:52] <Laney> oh, help, was on wiki
[08:52] <cjwatson> "Unknown action CopyPage"
[08:52] <cjwatson> so not supported there I guess
[08:52] <Laney> I don't think I have meaningful access to that one
[08:53] <cjwatson> Never mind, will just do it the crude way
[08:53] <Laney> ['ubuntu-gnome', 'xubuntu', 'lubuntu', 'ubuntukylin', 'kubuntu', 'edubuntu', 'ubuntustudio', 'ubuntu', 'ubuntu-server']
[08:57] <cjwatson> Laney: Seems to be roughly plausible for that, I'd say go ahead
[08:58] <Laney> Roger. I just wanted a sanity check that I didn't completely break it in ways that I wasn't seeing.
[08:59] <Laney> done
[09:00]  * Laney mails -devel
[09:00] <cjwatson> stgraber: Could you prepare a final beta milestone on the ISO tracker?
[09:01] <cjwatson> stgraber: Hm, never mind, I think I can
[09:02] <Laney> Yeah, any RT member can do
[09:02] <cjwatson> The "based on manifest" column seems fairly random - I went for "yes"
[09:03] <cjwatson> And hopefully it's still correct to edit ~cdimage/.isotracker.conf
[09:04] <Laney> No
[09:04] <cjwatson> ?
[09:04] <Laney> If you tick the "automtically publish" thing then it copies from daily to the milestone
[09:04] <cjwatson> Oh right
[09:04] <Laney> I think based on that manifest toggle
[09:04] <cjwatson> I'll edit *Process to say that then
[09:04] <Laney> good idea
[09:09] <cjwatson> Laney: did you mail -devel-announce?
[09:09] <Laney> cjwatson: No, just devel
[09:09] <Laney> Can bounce if you want
[09:09] <cjwatson> please
[09:10] <Laney> Also, one more thing that I remember
[09:10] <Laney> The manifest http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/series/37/manifest needs to be current for publishing to the milestone to work
[09:11] <Laney> bounced
[09:12] <cjwatson> OK, so we should re-enable netboot, Ubuntu desktop {amd64,amd64+mac,armhf+omap4,i386}, core, and Ubuntu server?
[09:12] <cjwatson> I've done that, shout if wrong
[09:14] <cjwatson> debian-cd/CONF.sh tweaked
[09:15] <cjwatson> infinity: I've done most of the technical actions necessary up to this point, I think.  I haven't done anything like contacting marketing for release notes, checking with QA/certification, etc.
[09:16] <cjwatson> seeing as I'm not actually signed up for beta ;-)
[09:24] <forestpiskie> sorry to bother you busy chaps - do I need to deal with this http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/builds to get beta2 to show up on the tracker for us?
[09:24]  * forestpiskie is new to this :)
[09:25] <Laney> forestpiskie: The next build should show up automatically if you are in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/series/37/manifest
[09:26] <forestpiskie> yep - we are - just wanted to check, thanks
[09:26] <Laney> Assuming another one happens (don't know if a full respin will take place) - otherwise the current daily can be copied over
[09:32] <elfy> Laney: I'll just let it chunter away and check later then - thanks
[09:33] <Laney> mmk
[09:57] <Laney> did my bounce to u-d-a work?
[10:00] <cjwatson> yes, just approved now
[10:00] <Laney> ah, k, didn't get a moderation mail
[10:23] <cjwatson> FYI: Tomorrow morning we hope to be moving some archive jobs to a new machine.  Vulnerable services: saucy-proposed -> saucy migration, any content under http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/
[10:23] <cjwatson> Uploads, builds, publication to saucy-proposed and stable releases, and downloads from the archive will be unaffected
[10:24] <Laney> yay!
[10:25] <cjwatson> Laney: Do you know why unity-scope-click showed up in your block?
[10:26] <cjwatson> I don't see it in images
[10:27] <Laney> let me see
[10:27] <cjwatson> I only see it in ubuntu-touch, which you didn't list
[10:27] <cjwatson> didrocks: ^-
[10:27] <didrocks> yeah, it's only used and installed on touch
[10:28] <Laney> probably a bug, sec
[10:28] <asac> ubuntu-touch-session is the same
[10:28] <Laney> haha, I forgot to put back the code to consider the flavours
[10:28] <cjwatson> Whoops
[10:29] <Laney> that block is probably everything seeded on all images
[10:29] <didrocks> Laney: how long do you think it will take you? I can help unblocking to get a touch image for now if needed (listing ubuntu-touch-session and unity-scope-click)
[10:29] <asac> ok ... could you unblock unity-click-scope and camera-app
[10:29] <Laney> two seconds
[10:29] <asac> and ubuntu-touch-session?
[10:29] <Laney> there's no need to unblock things
[10:29] <asac> thanks
[10:29] <asac> ah ok
[10:29] <didrocks> ok, great that the code is still around
[10:29] <didrocks> thanks Laney
[10:29] <asac> so this will just move after fixing the bug?
[10:30] <cjwatson> Yeah
[10:30] <asac> awesome
[10:31] <Laney> somehow gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas got onto edubuntu
[10:32] <Laney> block should be better now, modulo that and anything else in the same situation
[10:35] <Laney> like ubuntu-system-settings
[10:35] <Laney> hmm
[10:36] <cjwatson> well, I've done the block/unblock delegation for touch as mentioned on ubuntu-release@, so if it's just the odd edge case then they can unblock for themselves
[10:37] <Laney> I doubt edubuntu actually want ubuntu-system-settings though
[10:49] <Laney> now why did that happen
[10:50] <Laney> oh, because of default_milestone
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Please unblock ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme and ubuntustudio-default-settings from saucy-proposed.
[11:01] <cjwatson> Laney: damn, did I not set it back?
[11:03] <Laney> cjwatson: no, but I fixed it
[11:03] <Laney> hopefully ...
[11:04] <ogra_> Laney, is slomos comment on the gst-bad bug enough for you or do i need to hunt him down again to actually leave a bug comment ?
[11:04] <Laney> ogra_: Don't know, not read it
[11:04] <Laney> Let me see
[11:04] <ogra_> :)
[11:05] <ogra_> i just added it, he didnt comment on the bug itself but left a line on IRc
[11:05] <Laney> haha
[11:05] <Laney> I'm trying to get at whether we'll have fun with the packaging in future
[11:06] <ogra_> i think the long term plan is to give the package its own source too (if thats possible witout forking the whole thing)
[11:06] <ogra_> though thats not 13.10 material
[11:06] <Laney> is it?
[11:07] <ogra_> dunno
[11:07] <Laney> Not sure upstream would go for that
[11:07] <ogra_> if it can be merged fully upstream then the current approach is fine
[11:08] <Laney> nobody has told me they don't think it can be
[11:08] <ogra_> but i think upstream it would have to be a completely new plugin in the end ... i assume whoever wrote the android codec plugin this comes from didnt want to use hybris
[11:08] <Laney> see jim's comments there
[11:09] <Laney> anyway. Let's do it.
[11:09] <ogra_> ah, right
[11:09]  * ogra_ hugs Laney 
[11:23] <cjwatson> Laney: thanks, sorry about that
[11:23] <Laney> cjwatson: no problem
[11:24] <smartboyhw> Laney, saw my unblocking request? :)
[11:24] <Laney> yes, so did other RT members; doing other stuff currently
[11:30] <smartboyhw> Release Team: BTW, it looks like i386 images are simply not been built (it does build fail according to e-mail sent to our -devel mailing list, but I get no LiveFS build log at people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive)
[11:31] <smartboyhw> It started since 20130920
[11:31] <smartboyhw> I'm wondering if it is related to the previous downtime of London Canonical datacentre.
[11:31] <smartboyhw> Shouldn't be the reason though
[11:32] <smartboyhw> It happens to at least us, Kylin. Xubuntu, Lubuntu
[11:33] <smartboyhw> Even Ubuntu desktop
[11:33] <Laney> The machine went down
[11:33] <smartboyhw> uh:(
[11:34] <Laney> Being worked on
[11:34] <smartboyhw> Laney, thanks
[11:44] <ScottK> smartboyhw: Also, already mentioned in this channel about 3 1/2 hours ago.
[11:45] <smartboyhw> ScottK, oh, I didn't notice the backlogs about that
[11:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I agree, no i386 logs in sight
[11:56] <ScottK> Riddell: the builder is down.
[12:28] <Riddell> ScottK: ah hah
[12:36] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: Sysadmins have iLO access now, so it's waiting for a prod via that
[12:39] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, what's iLO?
[12:39] <smartboyhw> -.-
[12:39] <cjwatson> remote console
[12:40] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, ah great:)
[13:39] <cjwatson> The i386 livefs builder is back; I'll do a bunch of builds shortly unless somebody wants to beat me to it
[13:55] <knome> infinity, ping me when you've set Beta 2 release notes up for tweaking :)
[13:56] <knome> infinity, or ping me and tell me we should do that ourself. :)
[13:57] <smartboyhw> s/ourself/ourselves/ :)
[14:06] <jhodapp> ScottK, ping
[14:06] <Riddell> jhodapp: if it's about kubuntu I can help
[14:06] <jhodapp> Riddell, it's about qtmultimedia
[14:07] <Riddell> that bundle of joy
[14:07] <jhodapp> :)
[14:07] <Riddell> jhodapp: what's the question?
[14:07] <ogra_> heh
[14:07] <jhodapp> Riddell, we need an approver for this FFe once it hits the NEW queue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1227987
[14:07] <ogra_> jhodapp, no, you need an approver for the FFe before you upload
[14:08] <jhodapp> ok :)
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Anyhow, he's asking the correct person:P
[14:08] <ogra_> jhodapp, when it hits the archive you need an approver from the ubuntu-archive team to get it through NEW
[14:08] <jhodapp> Riddell, what orga_ said :)
[14:08] <jhodapp> ogra_, thanks for the clarification
[14:08] <ogra_> so first of all ubuntu-release approval, then the rest :)
[14:09] <jhodapp> ogra_, cool, this part is all new to me
[14:09] <ogra_> yeah, thats all these distro processes .... :) you cant know them yet
[14:10] <Riddell> jhodapp: commented I can do New
[14:10] <jhodapp> Riddell, awesome...you're able to do that today by chance?
[14:10] <Riddell> jhodapp: yeah should be able to but it still needs a FFe
[14:10]  * ogra_ hugs Riddell 
[14:10] <Riddell> jhodapp: presumably you're in contact with upstream to get it merged?
[14:11] <Riddell> jhodapp: are you wanting this in beta 2?
[14:11] <jhodapp> Riddell, I'm not in contact yet, but will be heading that way soon...rsalveti might have been talking with someone from upstream though
[14:11] <Riddell> jhodapp: who else uses qtmultimedia 5 and might be affected?
[14:11] <ogra_> Riddell, thats all for ubuntu-touch
[14:11] <jhodapp> Riddell, yeah, this is a diverted package only for touch
[14:12] <ogra_> Riddell, we dont do beta ... (we do every single image like a milestone for touch)
[14:12] <jhodapp> Riddell, sergiusens put the package together if you have questions specific to that
[14:13] <Riddell> jhodapp: what does qtmultimedia 5 use now instead of gstreamer?
[14:14] <jhodapp> Riddell, still uses gstreamer, just ported to 1.x
[14:14] <Riddell> jhodapp: this is quite a major feature to port to 1.0 isn't it? wouldn't you want to be in contact with upstream to ensure you're not duplicating anything?
[14:14] <jhodapp> Riddell, but the reason we had to make a diverted package is because it doesn't port the mediacapture nor the camerabin support, which would break things on the desktop if we simply replaced the qtmultimedia package
[14:15] <jhodapp> Riddell, the person who started the port was in contact with them and said there wasn't anything available yet for porting to 1.x
[14:16] <Riddell> jhodapp: presumably there's no sensible reason to install this except being an ubuntu edge user on a phone/tablet? so it shouldn't get in the way of desktop users
[14:16] <ogra_> Riddell, yeah
[14:16] <jhodapp> Riddell, exactly
[14:17] <ogra_> it wont go into desktop
[14:17] <jhodapp> correct
[14:17] <sergiusens> not for desktop at all
[14:20] <jhodapp> Riddell, any other questions we can answer?
[14:21] <Riddell> jhodapp: nope, approved!
[14:21] <jhodapp> Riddell, excellent, thanks much
[14:21] <Riddell> poke me when you need a review, although I'm doing install testing so may not be around for some periods
[14:21] <jhodapp> Riddell, ok
[14:28] <cjwatson> crontab disabled, kicking off a full round of builds now
[14:28] <jhodapp> ogra_, can you push the packages for us now that we have approval? :)
[14:28] <ogra_> yeah, where are the source packages ?
[14:28] <jhodapp> sergiusens, ^
[14:29] <jhodapp> ogra_, so when we have bug fixes to these packages, we don't have to go through the same approval process, correct?
[14:29] <sergiusens> https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-extras/qtmultimedia-touch
[14:29] <sergiusens> ogra_, jhodapp &^^
[14:29] <ogra_> jhodapp, right, its just for getting it in
[14:29] <jhodapp> ogra_, ok excellent
[14:30] <tkamppeter> Hi, I have synced pyppd and hplip from Debian to get a security fix into Saucy. The fix is in HPLIP, thepyppd update merely only bumbs the version number, fulfilling a dependency of HPLIP and does not have real changes otherwise.
[14:30] <tkamppeter> They two, pyppd and hplip need to be moved into the release now.
[14:31] <kgunn> didrocks: ok, i filed an FFe for libmirclient
[14:31] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir/+bug/1229212
[14:31] <didrocks> kgunn: don't assign, please subscribe the release team to it
[14:31] <kgunn> didrocks: gah...sorry
[14:31] <didrocks> Riddell: Laney: hey, do you have some time to have a look at that one? ^
[14:32] <didrocks> that would be helpful so that we can proceed and get latest Mir for touch
[14:32] <didrocks> (it has no real impact for desktop, apart from the rebuilds)
[14:34] <kgunn> didrocks: thinking...does mirserver also need one ? for since u-s-c is there....altho its in universe
[14:34] <ogra_> sergiusens, hmm, thats just the debian dir
[14:35] <didrocks> kgunn: it doesn't impact desktop image as u-s-c isn't installed by default on desktop, the ABI breakage is for Touch, so I would say this will fall in the Touch FFe
[14:35] <sergiusens> ogra_, bzr bd -S
[14:35] <kgunn> didrocks: ack, agree...but wanted to make sure
[14:35] <ogra_> sergiusens, what source tarball does it use ? i dont think we can upload the same upstream source tarball twice
[14:36] <cjwatson> You can upload it twice as long as the contents are identical or the name is changed
[14:36] <sergiusens> ogra_, it's a different source package
[14:36] <ogra_> cjwatson, ah, thanks
[14:37] <sergiusens> ogra_, do I need to change anything then?
[14:37] <sergiusens> ogra_, source package gets a name like qtmultimedia-opensource-src-touch_5.1.1+git20130920+5b12abb862.orig.tar.gz
[14:37] <ogra_> sergiusens, let me test build ...
[14:37] <ogra_> i guess its alll fine
[14:38] <sergiusens> ogra_, takes it's time ;-)
[14:38] <ogra_> yeah
[14:38] <sergiusens> ogra_, the latest build is also on ppa:sergiusens/phablet
[14:38] <ogra_> my chromebook is chuggin away :)
[14:39] <ogra_> grrr
[14:39] <ogra_> build-deps
[14:41] <Riddell> kgunn: bug is now unassigned?
[14:42] <kgunn> Riddell: sorry, shall i reassign it?
[14:42] <Riddell> kgunn: doesn't really matter just wondered what it ment
[14:42] <kgunn> Riddell: me screwing up :)
[14:42] <Riddell> oh you following the "subscribe (do not assign to) the 'ubuntu-release' team. " instruction :)
[14:43] <Riddell> kgunn: what are the rdepends?
[14:45] <kgunn> Riddell: right...so, shall  i just update the bug with "apt-rdepends libmirclient" ?
[14:45] <kgunn> making sure i get the right rdepends
[14:46] <Riddell> kgunn: yeah, and note which flavours it affects
[14:53] <jhodapp> ogra_, are you working on qtmultimedia right now or in a bit? We also need our gst-plugins-bad-hybris package pushed as well
[14:54] <ogra_> jhodapp, do you know if ricardo comes back today or tomorrow ?
[14:54] <jhodapp> ogra_, I thought tomorrow
[14:54] <ogra_> i wanted to leave the plugin part to him
[14:55] <ogra_> hmm
[14:55] <ogra_> then i should probably upload that too, ok
[14:55] <kgunn> Riddell: ok updated
[14:55] <ogra_> i'll try to get both done before end of my day
[14:55] <jhodapp> ogra_, ok excellent...can you let me know when you've pushed them and I can help verify that everything is good once they land
[14:56] <Riddell> kgunn: that's dependencies not rdepends no?
[14:56] <ogra_> jhodapp, indeed
[14:56] <jhodapp> ogra_, thanks
[15:04] <JackYu> Laney, hi. May I know when will you review the FFe at bug #1227197? It's middle night here:)
[15:04] <sergiusens> ogra_, tomorrow
[15:07] <kgunn> Riddell: bah...sorry...now its right
[15:09] <Riddell> kgunn: which flavours does this affect?
[15:10] <kgunn> Riddell: when you say flavours...do you mean desktops ? unity, xubuntu etc ?
[15:11] <Riddell> kgunn: yes flavours are ubuntu (unity), edubuntu, ubuntu studio,mythbuntu etc
[15:11] <Riddell> those ones might all be affected I don't konw
[15:18] <doko> Laney, "Not touching package due to block request by laney" -> libnetfilter-conntrack
[15:18] <Laney> see ubuntu-devel-announce
[15:21] <kgunn> Riddell: i think the answer is, any flavour using 13.10
[15:21] <cjwatson> Flavours don't *use* 13.10 as such
[15:22] <kgunn> cjwatson: i think my conjecture is still accurate right ?
[15:22] <cjwatson> And I didn't think all flavours were using Mir?
[15:22] <cjwatson> (If nothing else, server is clearly unaffected, but I thought others had opted out of Xmir too)
[15:24] <kgunn> cjwatson: there's no dependency on mir per se....in xmir mir sits under x unbeknownst to anyone, but yes...people can choose to fallback to no xmir
[15:24] <cjwatson> Is libmirclient2 even on any images right now (other than touch)?  seeded-in-ubuntu suggests now
[15:24] <cjwatson> *not
[15:25] <cjwatson> kgunn: I thought you at least had to have the xserver-xorg-xmir package installed to use it
[15:25] <kgunn> cjohnston: libmirclient2 is part of main archive, yes...you do have to have xmir installed( also part of main archive)...but the real trigger is the install of unity-system-compositor
[15:25] <cjwatson> Which is not even in Ubuntu desktop images never mind anything else
[15:26] <kgunn> cjohnston: unity-system-compositor is in universe
[15:26] <cjwatson> I'm cjwatson not cjohnston
[15:26] <cjwatson> So therefore this doesn't affect any flavours (other than touch) in their default configurations right now
[15:26] <kgunn> cjwatson: woops...sorry cjohnston
[15:26] <kgunn> cjwatson: that is technically correct
[15:27] <cjwatson> I would recommend you take that interpretation as it makes it easier for you to land your change :-)
[15:27] <kgunn> cjwatson: awesome...thank you for the navigation of logic there :)
[15:27] <cjwatson> Also FYI xserver-xorg-xmir is in universe, not main
[15:28] <kgunn> cjwatson: reallly...so u-s-c install must pull it in ?
[15:29] <Riddell> u-s-c?
[15:29] <Riddell> software centre?
[15:29] <cjwatson> kgunn: Yes
[15:29] <kgunn> cjwatson: wow..your right...hadn;t looked....
[15:29] <cjwatson> Riddell: unity-system-compositor
[15:29] <Riddell> aah
[15:29] <kgunn> Riddell: sorry...u-s-c, unity-system-compositor
[15:30] <kgunn> cjwatson: i was under the belief that we had everything but unity-system-compositor in main...thanks for pointing that out
[15:31] <cjwatson> It doesn't matter that much; xserver-xorg-xmir is a binary package produced by a source package in main, so it can be moved to main without paperwork once it becomes necessary for something else
[15:33] <Riddell> kgunn: where are these touch images that it goes onto?
[15:34] <ogra_>  dpkg-source -b gst-plugins-bad1.0-1.1.4
[15:34] <ogra_> dpkg-source: info: using source format `3.0 (quilt)'
[15:34] <ogra_> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[15:34] <ogra_> GRRR
[15:34] <ogra_> so how do i work around that ?
[15:34] <kgunn> Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/
[15:34] <ogra_> (an ubuntu maintainer committed with a canonical address)
[15:34] <Riddell> kgunn: cleverly hidden under ubuntu-touch-preview/ :)
[15:35] <kgunn> we're tricky like that
[15:36] <Riddell> ogra_: fix the maintainer line?
[15:36] <didrocks> ogra_: DEBEMAIL=foo
[15:36] <didrocks> ogra_: if you -k for signing
[15:36] <JackYu> cjwatson, can we unblock some packages for UbuntuKylin flavor?
[15:37] <ogra_> Riddell, i dont want to change the changelog :) i just want to sign it :)
[15:37] <Riddell> kgunn: so aye if it's in touch only and the touch people are happy with it that's all good
[15:37] <cjwatson> ogra_: you don't need to
[15:37] <Riddell> ogra_: it's not changelog it's debian/control
[15:37] <Riddell> paste in Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>
[15:37] <Riddell> XSBC-Original-
[15:37] <cjwatson> ogra_: just set DEBEMAIL to something that doesn't contain ubuntu when you run debuild
[15:37] <Riddell> adapted to your preferred team
[15:37] <cjwatson> ogra_: that downgrades the error to a warning
[15:37] <ogra_> oh
[15:37] <ogra_> !
[15:37] <kgunn> Riddell: yeah...they want us to land real bad...hence my showing up here :)
[15:37] <kgunn> didrocks: ^
[15:37] <cjwatson> JackYu: sure
[15:37] <ogra_> thats news to me thanks !!!!
[15:38] <didrocks> kgunn: saw it, please ping me once all the bumps we talked about are done
[15:38] <cjwatson> and Riddell is right, this isn't about what you commit as, it's about the Maintainer field
[15:38] <didrocks> kgunn: I'm changing the config
[15:38] <didrocks> kgunn: and please merge my branch as well :)
[15:39] <didrocks> kgunn: also please, ensure the changelog reference that bug number (as you are doing a merge to bump the version anyway)
[15:39] <JackYu> cjwatson, great, please unlock youker-assistant and ubuntukylin-default-settings.
[15:41] <cjwatson> Versions?
[15:41] <cjwatson> JackYu: ^-
[15:42] <cjwatson> BTW, please move away from the model where you have a single preferred contact point - I'm not always around
[15:43] <JackYu> cjwatson, ubuntukylin-default-settings 1.0.7 and youker-assistant 0.2.1. The youker-assistant is still waiting for FFe review:)
[15:44] <JackYu> cjwatson, got it.
[15:44] <cjwatson> I'm not going to unblock something not in the archive yet, sorry
[15:44] <cjwatson> Looking at ubuntukylin-default-settings
[15:44] <JackYu> ok
[15:45] <cjwatson> "* add some package dependencies and delete some packages" - your uploaders really need to be less vague!
[15:45] <jhodapp> Riddell, both gst-plugins-bad and qtmultimedia are in the NEW queue and waiting for your approval
[15:45] <Riddell> jhodapp: queuebot disagrees :)
[15:45] <jhodapp> ogra_, ^
[15:45] <ogra_> jhodapp, he was to fast for you
[15:45] <ogra_> :)
[15:45] <ogra_> Riddell, coudl we get gst-plugins-bad too ?
[15:45]  * ogra_ digs for the FFe
[15:46] <JackYu> cjwatson, happyaron is here:)
[15:46] <Riddell> ogra_: waiting for it to appear in new, where's the FFe?
[15:46] <ogra_> bug 1224665
[15:46] <cjwatson> JackYu: The uploader in this case is ShuiLu Pi, who I don't think is happyaron
[15:46]  * ogra_ tickles ubotu
[15:46] <cjwatson> JackYu: Also, disabling apport and whoopsie entirely?  *Really*?
[15:47] <cjwatson> You intentionally want to make sure that UbuntuKylin is left out of any error analysis, so we won't notice if a change regresses something for Chinese speakers?
[15:47] <ogra_> Riddell, thanks for the hint btw, i fixed the maintainer address in the end :)
[15:47] <cjwatson> JackYu: And there's a misspelling, "UbuntyKylin"
[15:47] <JackYu> cjwaston, yes, I will tell Pi.
[15:48] <cjwatson> JackYu: Do you know if it's intentional that depends.txt was entirely removed?
[15:49] <JackYu> cjwatson, yes
[15:49] <cjwatson> JackYu: And putting random stuff in /etc/environment is not really the best plan - that will be hard to upgrade later
[15:50] <cjwatson> JackYu: I'm sorry, I'm not at all happy with this upload and don't really want to unblock it while I have the choice.  The random Upstart overrides with no explanation are the worst (I see it also disables avahi-daemon and modemmanager), but really, all of the stuff I just mentioned should be addressed
[15:50] <cjwatson> JackYu: Could you pass this on?
[15:50] <cjwatson> JackYu: depends.txt> So you don't want e.g. unity-china-music-scope any more?
[15:50] <JackYu> cjwatson, OK, let me check your comments and hope we can fix it soon.
[15:52] <Riddell> ogra_: I'm away in 10 minutes, upload soon if you want me to New review it
[15:53] <ogra_> Riddell, i uploaded quite a while ago
[15:53] <ogra_> Riddell, didnt get a reciept either yet
[15:53] <JackYu> cjwatson, we use recommends.txt instead of depends.txt, since if using depends.txt, removing one package will lead to the fail of default-settings.
[15:54] <Riddell> ogra_: something may have gone wrong then
[15:55] <cjwatson> JackYu: Ah, right.  Mentioning that the removed dependencies were duplicated as Recommends is the sort of thing that should have been mentioned in the changelog.
[15:55] <ogra_> Riddell, oh, indeed, iwont get a reciept mail since rsalveti owns the changelog
[15:55] <cjwatson> JackYu: I notice that gnome-tweak-tool and chromium-browser are not in recommends.txt, though.
[15:55] <cjwatson> ogra_: Normally the signer is notified too.
[15:56] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/gst-plugins-bad1.0/1.1.4-2ubuntu2
[15:56] <ogra_> well, its already building
[15:56] <JackYu> cjwatson, yes. we don't want to include these two packages.
[15:56] <ogra_> Riddell, we only need you for binary NEW for this one actually
[15:56] <cjwatson> JackYu: OK.  Again, changelog :-)
[15:56] <cjwatson> JackYu: It's not just for me, it's for your users too
[15:56] <ogra_> Riddell, i'll try to find someone else for that then
[15:57] <ogra_> cjwatson, well, i didnt ... i get other ubuntu mail so my mail server seems to be fine
[15:57] <JackYu> cjwatson, yes, we should add more changelog for our decision:)
[16:36] <ogra_> could some archive admin let the gst/plugins/bad and qtmultimedia-opensource-src-touch builds out of binary NEW ?
[16:40] <jhodapp> Riddell, ^
[16:41] <ogra_> jhodapp, he said he would be out
[16:42] <jhodapp> Riddell, ah missed that message
[16:42] <ogra_> cjwatson, could you perhaps ?
[17:13] <slangasek> ogra_: so we have a parallel upload of qtmultimedia-opensource now for touch?
[17:14] <ogra_> slangasek, atm yeah
[17:15] <ogra_> 5.1.1 vs 5.0.x i thinnk
[17:15] <slangasek> ah
[17:15] <slangasek> did someone already work out how we're going to transition back to the main packages once they bump to 5.1 in t?
[17:15] <ogra_> heh, not sure
[17:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, ^^ ?
[17:16] <slangasek> the package names all look ok, as far as that goes
[17:17] <ogra_> we had a few reviews from different people
[17:17] <ogra_> and endless tests across the team
[17:18] <slangasek> which of those were archive admins?
[17:18] <sergiusens> slangasek, ogra_ do we need a test scenario?
[17:18] <ogra_> slangasek, Riddell ... who let it through source NEW as well
[17:19] <sergiusens> I can stage one in a PPA and see how it goes
[17:19] <ogra_> sergiusens, nah, i dont think we do
[17:19] <ogra_> we can test from the archive
[17:19] <ogra_> nothing is seeded yet
[17:19] <ogra_> we just need them through NEW
[17:19] <ogra_> so you can pull from the archive actually :)
[17:19] <slangasek> ogra_: ack
[17:44] <infinity> Gah, alarm clock fail.
[17:44] <ogra_> slangasek, the gst-plugins-bad one too ?
[17:45] <ogra_> there should be a new binary as well
[17:45] <ogra_> -hybris iirc
[17:45] <mdeslaur> Laney: could you unblock pyopenssl in saucy-proposed, please?
[17:45] <slangasek> ogra_: hadn't gotten to it yet, doing it now
[17:46]  * ogra_ hugs slangasek 
[17:46] <ogra_> jhodapp, ^^^
[17:46] <jhodapp> awesome, thanks slangasek
[17:46] <slangasek> ogra_: and gstreamer1.0-hybris is added on i386 in addition to armhf for the goldfish case?
[17:47] <ogra_> slangasek, right, just not amd64
[17:47] <ogra_> (and ppc)
[18:20] <infinity> slangasek / cjwatson: Either of you want to catch me up with reality, since I seem to have entirely missed out on what should have been Monday morning?
[18:20] <slangasek> infinity: I think reality has mostly been waiting for you.  but we have an i386 livefs builder again, so that's good news
[18:21] <slangasek> and the beta freeze is on
[18:21] <infinity> s/freeze/block/
[18:22] <infinity> Laney: Thanks for putting the block in.  No thanks for it being right before glibc would have migrated. ;)
[18:22] <slangasek> I assume we want glibc up to date for beta, however
[18:22] <slangasek> have you forced it in yet?
[18:23] <infinity> slangasek: I haven't unblocked it, it's not particularly critical.  Just a security fix, a testsuite fix (which has already made jenkins happy, so meh), and a compiler swap for arm64.
[18:24] <slangasek> yes, but if you want it for release it should go in for beta
[18:24] <infinity> slangasek: But if other things are being unblocked and the world's still spinning, there's no harm in taking it either.
[18:24]  * infinity unblocks.
[18:24] <Laney> mdeslaur: N
[18:24] <slangasek> okie
[18:24] <Laney> Not here, ask someone else
[18:24] <Laney> I want to set up a role account for milestone blocks so that I don't get all the pings. :P
[18:25] <mdeslaur> Laney: ok, thanks
[18:25] <mdeslaur> infinity: could you please unblock the pyopenssl packages in saucy-proposed?
[18:25] <infinity> mdeslaur: I can indeed.
[18:25] <mdeslaur> infinity: thanks
[18:25] <infinity> Laney: I can steal your block so I get the pings instead, if you prefer.  But yeah, a role account would do nicely.
[18:46] <infinity> slangasek: Per our previous discussion on the topic, I'm going to drop the +omap4 images from the beta.  Not sure if I'll get to the archive surgery to actually remove all the bits too, since there's some fallout from dropping the kernel (ie: d-i needs it torn out, etc), but no point in testing an image we intend to drop in a week.
[18:46] <slangasek> infinity: right. this should probably be announced on ubuntu-release at least, before making the change?
[18:47] <infinity> slangasek: Announced before sounds like an invitation for discussion, but I agree that it should be announced period, sure.
[18:47]  * infinity drafts.
[18:50] <cjwatson> Laney: role account> good idea, Debian uses "freeze" IIRC
[18:56] <infinity> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6146813/
[19:22] <infinity> slangasek: Taking your lack of response as consent and sending it.  *cough*
[19:22] <slangasek> infinity: yeah, lgtm.  Did you confirm that kubuntu no longer wants it?
[19:23] <slangasek> IIRC that was one of the outstanding points
[19:23] <infinity> slangasek: I had a bit of a chat with Riddell, where the conclusion seemed to be "that's unfortunate, but if Canonical no longer wants to maintain the glue needed to make that go..."
[19:24] <infinity> slangasek: It's *possible* Kubuntu could do an omap4 desktop based on the -generic kernel and omapfb, since they don't *need* 3D acceleration like Unity does, but the performance would be awful.
[19:25] <infinity> slangasek: Nearly everyone I know, Canonical and Community, that uses Pandas, however, uses them to test builds, not to test GUI software, so a full desktop probably isn't that useful to 99% of 'em.  I do wish we had *some* default desktop target, but I suspect that's just not likely for 13.10.
[19:26] <infinity> slangasek: For 14.04, we could perhaps do it on Beaglebone Blacks or something.
[19:26] <slangasek> by 14.04, Intel tells me the minnowboard will make ARM obsolete
[19:26] <slangasek> ;)
[19:26] <infinity> *smirk*
[19:27] <slangasek> of course, they also then proceeded to misspeak and refer to the minnowboard as the beagleboard in their own presentation, so there ya go
[19:27] <infinity> All I want is one dev board with a proper open source driver that doesn't suck.  Is that too much to ask?
[19:27] <apw> heh with the latest unity even some of the existing released h/w now sucks
[19:28] <apw> (or mesa or something)
[19:28] <tkamppeter> I have synced HPLIP from Debian this weekend (hplip 3.13.9-1) to pull in a security fix, and it is still hanging in -proposed. Can someone move it into the release?
[19:29] <infinity> tkamppeter: Looks safe, I'll unblock it.
[19:29] <tkamppeter> infinity, thanks.
[20:16] <knome> is Janeks991____ seeking support in #u or so?
[20:16] <knome> oh, sorry, wrong channel
[20:49] <infinity> slangasek: Any issues with me unblocking the 1-char fix in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/finish-install/2.43ubuntu2 ?
[20:55] <cjwatson> infinity: LGTM.  May be others ...
[21:02] <infinity> cjwatson: That's enough of a +1 for me.
[21:03] <cjwatson> Don't see anything else obvious on a brief look.  I guess we'll find out.
[21:04] <infinity> cjwatson: It's a short-lived hack anyway, robher just pushed a kernel fix to LKML that will let us back this out for 14.04.
[21:04] <cjwatson> k, cool
[21:05] <infinity> cjwatson: As for other things to unblock, not seeing anything obvious.
[21:05] <cjwatson> No, I meant other code to fix
[21:05] <infinity> (Also, I think Laney's block script doesn't get d-i anyway)
[21:05] <cjwatson> But don't see any
[21:05] <cjwatson> I guess armhf/generic is fairly new so not too entrenched
[21:06] <infinity> Yeah.  Also, I love that Debian picked a different name for that flavour. :/
[21:06] <cjwatson> Joy
[21:06] <infinity> I need to sit down and make the Debian armmp and Ubuntu generic things look as similar as I can manage in d-i.
[21:07] <infinity> Sort of hoping for a future where we can tear out 99% of the subarch craziness from ARM.
[21:16] <plars> beta is not looking too good at the moment
[21:16] <plars> xnox: seeing lots of install related issues
[21:17] <plars> xnox: seen anything recently with ubiquity where it just fails to come up at all?
[21:18] <plars> "error opening config file '/root/.config/pango/pangorc': Permission denied
[21:18] <plars> hmm
[21:44] <Riddell> infinity, slangasek: yeah we seem to have come to the conclusion it's ok to end the omap4 images
[21:45] <infinity> Riddell: I will try to put some time into making sure the omap4 d-i and server images still work for people who want to use Pandas as headless build test systems.
[21:46] <infinity> Riddell: (with the -generic kernel, that is)
[21:46] <Riddell> infinity: I just installed the daily last week and it works fine as far as I can tell
[21:46] <Riddell> of server
[21:46] <infinity> Riddell: Does that already use the -generic kernel, or is that ti-omap4?
[21:48] <infinity> (I would have expected it to be omap4, but will be pleasantly surprised if someone already switched that over when I wasn't looking)
[21:49] <Riddell> ...logging in...
[21:49] <Riddell> jr@airm:~$ uname -a
[21:49] <Riddell> Linux airm 3.5.0-232-omap4 #48-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Wed Aug 28 18:37:01 UTC 2013 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[21:50] <Riddell> linux-omap4                                     install
[21:50] <infinity> Riddell: Right.  So, what I meant when I said "make sure server and d-i images work" was "make sure they work with the generic kernel, cause I'm dropping that omap4 kernel on the floor and kicking it in the teeth".
[21:50] <Riddell> cruel but kind
[23:40] <infinity> Does anyone have any other things they've spotted that need to be unblocked for beta?  If not, I'm going to do a full respin to pick up the bits we've trickled in over the day.
[23:43] <slangasek> nothing from me