[00:05] <cpatrick08>  I was wondering if I could multirom ubuntu-touch with android and use the new ubuntu-system on Nexus 7 Grouper
[00:07] <drachensun> I'm trying to run mir and I'm getting this error from the upstart maliit log FATAL: Failed to load platform plugin "ubuntumirclient". Available platforms are
[02:16] <jondecker76> Can anyone help me, UT on my Nexus 7 has been a nightmare so far and I can't do anything with it now
[02:17] <jondecker76> I can't even use phablet-flash to update the image.  adb devices always returns a blank list
[02:19] <jondecker76> lsusb can't even see the Nexus 7 at this point
[02:53] <jondecker76> is anyone around that can help me out?
[03:16] <Aprijal> Hello Dazzo
[03:16] <Aprijal> Good Morning
[03:16] <Aprijal> :)
[04:10] <pyaesone> Hello, Just want to know something. In the October's release, there will be Language Support? If yes, when is the deadline for localization?
[04:10] <pyaesone> Thanks
[04:20] <timp> pyaesone: I don't know when are the deadlines, but localization is already supported
[04:21] <timp> pyaesone: ping dpm about the localization deadlines when he is around
[04:23] <AskUbuntu> How to Compile Uploading File Code in Ubuntu One | http://askubuntu.com/q/348934
[04:39] <cpatrick08> i ran  phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel-proposed --no-backup on nexus 7 grouper, got to the CWM-based Recovery 6.0.2.8 screen with the ubuntu logo and get following error message, CWM-based Recovery v6.0.2.8 E:Can't open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command autodeploy.zip not found.
[04:42] <cpatrick08> i ran  phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel-proposed --no-backup on nexus 7 grouper, got to the CWM-based Recovery 6.0.2.8 screen with the ubuntu logo and get following error message, CWM-based Recovery v6.0.2.8 E:Can't open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_Checking for autodeploy.zip command autodeploy.zip not found.
[04:50] <cpatrick08> i ran  phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel-proposed --no-backup on nexus 7 grouper, got to the CWM-based Recovery 6.0.2.8 screen with the ubuntu logo and get following error message, CWM-based Recovery v6.0.2.8 E:Can't open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_Checking for autodeploy.zip command autodeploy.zip not found.
[04:54] <cpatrick08> bed ttyl
[06:58] <HACKshack> semi noob here. just flashed ubuntu touch on samsung fascinate . how do run update in terminal
[07:10] <dpm> morning lool, it seems I'm still not invited to the "landing task force standup" to discuss the core apps PPA landing this week. Could you guys invite me on the day you want to discuss it? And while at it, add popey to the meeting too? Thanks!
[08:11] <m33r0> hello
[08:29] <c4software> Hi
[08:30] <c4software> i have a little problem on the latest Ubuntu Phone: i'm running "phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel --no-backup" its reboot my phone flash recovery, start extracting image on the phone
[08:30] <c4software> but i'm stuck in a black screen
[08:32] <mzanetti> c4software: the script exited?
[08:32] <mzanetti> the scipt == phablet-flash :)
[08:32] <c4software> Yep, i wait a lot of time and its end with "ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way."
[08:33] <c4software> on my phone, the system is waiting (i'm look at it with adb shell)
[08:33] <c4software> And yes i'm already try to wipe data / cache
[08:33] <c4software> from the recovery
[09:41] <daker> oSoMoN: 4 MR waiting for you
[09:44] <oSoMoN> daker: yep, I’ve seen that, I’m currently testing and reviewing them, it’s been a productive week-end it seems :)
[09:44] <daker> oSoMoN: huh yes
[09:45] <oSoMoN> daker: I commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/webbrowser-app/fix.1227055/+merge/186890, I have a tiny nitpick only, but it looks great otherwise
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:05] <dholbach>  does uninstalling from the dash work for you?
[10:05] <dholbach>  like tap-and-hold the item in the 'installed apps' list, then click on uninstall
[10:11] <sergiusens> dpm, dholbach hey, do you guys know who works on the music app?
[10:12] <dpm> hi sergiusens, yes, popey, mhall119 and I are coordinating the development. Do you need to get in touch with the developers?
[10:12] <sergiusens> dpm, I re clickified the app and having multiple access issues
[10:12] <sergiusens> dpm, Ill get to popey as he is probably awake :-)
[10:12] <sergiusens> thanks
[10:12] <dholbach> sergiusens, danielholm, vthompson, ahayzen
[10:13] <popey> ☻
[10:13] <oSoMoN> daker: all approved, thanks a bunch!
[10:13] <ogra_> sergiusens, note that the music app has a bunch of other heavy issues ... lool is on them
[10:13] <ogra_> sergiusens, it cant play any musinc atm
[10:13] <ogra_> *music
[10:13] <sergiusens> popey, ogra_ lool http://paste.ubuntu.com/6144900/
[10:14] <sergiusens> also https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/music-app-click/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/com.ubuntu.music_0.6_armhf.click
[10:14] <ogra_> yeah, looks like a mix of loics stuff and other errors
[10:14] <ogra_> (upstart-app-launch doesnt hand over the url to open a media file properly)
[10:14] <sergiusens> ogra_, yeah, I found a hidden dependency on the filemanager stuff which in theory was only used by the filemanager app
[10:15] <sergiusens> that's why it's arch specific now..
[10:15] <cjwatson> dholbach: uninstall isn't implemented yet
[10:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, also note that we are just rolling back the whole session manager stack
[10:15] <dpm> sergiusens, if you could file bugs for each issue on https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+filebug we can point developers. Re: the nemo plugin, we were using it to display embedded cover art, but it should not be needed after the migration to mediascanner (recently merged). Where did you see it used?
[10:15] <cjwatson> dholbach: I don't know whether I'll beat the scope team to it :-)  I was having a brief look ...
[10:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, as it broke maguro
[10:16] <lool> ogra_: the music app itself is actually ok nowadays, but doens't work with upstart-app-launch due to desktop file parsing issues
[10:16] <ogra_> sergiusens, the system will behave differently based on which session mgr you have (with or withoug logind/polkit)
[10:16] <ogra_> lool, aha well then sergiusens shouldnt see such issues :)
[10:17] <dholbach> cjwatson, ah ok - I was just surprised the button actually opened the app :)
[10:17] <sergiusens> dpm, file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.music/0.6/MusicAlbums.qml:23 module "org.nemomobile.folderlistmodel" is not installed
[10:17] <lool> sergiusens: it's a lot of warnings there
[10:18] <sergiusens> lool, yeah, but I get no music
[10:18] <lool> sergiusens: it's hard to tell which ones are new from the change described in that email, and which ones were already there; which ones are by design of the apparmor protection and which aren't
[10:19] <oSoMoN> mzanetti: hey, I’m looking at QtQuickTest again, and the doc says a C++ harness to run the tests is needed, is that really necessary? Isn’t there a standard test runner available with Qt tools already?
[10:19] <lool> sergiusens: You get no music when selecting a track from the music app?
[10:19] <sergiusens> lool I get no tracks even though it says it found three
[10:19] <lool> sergiusens: tapping a file in unity and this opening the music-app on that file/url is currently broken
[10:20] <lool> sergiusens: Cannot open media index params at ""/home/phablet/.cache/mediascanner""
[10:20] <lool> sergiusens: could this be the issue?
[10:20] <lool> I dont immediately see how it should have worked before
[10:20] <dpm> sergiusens, is this from trunk? I wonder how this could pass the autopilot tests, the nemo plugin message is an error that prevents running the app, not a warning, right?
[10:20] <sergiusens> lool, I guess...
[10:21] <sergiusens> lool, but that is with click
[10:21] <lool> sergiusens: oh right, it wasn't confined before
[10:21] <sergiusens> dpm, I'm running confined and as a click app, rules change there
[10:21] <lool> that's why
[10:21] <sergiusens> workdit also changes
[10:21] <sergiusens> workdir
[10:22] <lool> sergiusens: it's probably a non-trivial effort to move the music app to click; do we really want this for 13.10?
[10:22] <mzanetti> oSoMoN: sure... qmltestrunner
[10:22] <oSoMoN> mzanetti: yeah, just found it, thanks
[10:23] <sergiusens> lool, from what I was told on Friday, yes
[10:23] <daker> oSoMoN: i suspect there will some merge conflicts...
[10:23] <oSoMoN> mzanetti: it’s weird that the doc doesn’t mention it
[10:23] <mzanetti> oSoMoN: we use only that in unity8. feel free to copy cmake goodness from there
[10:23] <lool> would someone be so kind to review https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/qtubuntu/add-vcs-bzr/+merge/186345 (trivial Vcs-Bzr addition)
[10:23] <mzanetti> oSoMoN: qmltestrunner is new since Qt5 and I'm afraid the doc's are just ported from Qt4 in that area
[10:23] <oSoMoN> mzanetti: well it’s for the calendar-app that doesn’t have any build system (as it’s pure QML)
[10:23] <oSoMoN> mzanetti: got it
[10:24] <lool> sergiusens: what's the requirement?
[10:24] <mzanetti> oSoMoN: ah ok... well, all you need to know is "qmltestrunner -input tst_somefile.qml [-import /path/to/c++/plugins/]"
[10:24] <oSoMoN> daker: yeah, probably, although my biggest concern right now is that every single autolanding job is failing because of autopilot test failures, so I’ll have to resolve that first
[10:24] <lool> sergiusens: cause we're going to do some hardcoding for music-app anyway, such as music:// url handling, not being SIGSTOPed by application lifecycle, keeping the device woken up etc.
[10:24] <daker> oSoMoN: no problem :)
[10:24] <lool> sergiusens: So IMO it's actually better if we don't have to punch extra holes for all of this in a click package before 13.10
[10:24] <sergiusens> ogra_, why are we rolling back?
[10:25] <sergiusens> lool, are apps as click is the req
[10:25] <ogra_> sergiusens, http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/4390/
[10:25] <ogra_> sergiusens, SF segfaults with lightdm on maguro (works flawless on mako)
[10:35] <dpm> sergiusens, filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1229123 for the FolderListModel bug with the music app
[10:38] <sergiusens> dpm thanks
[10:51] <lool> alecu, ralsina: So apparently 10 days ago there was a regression in unity-scope-click with a commit adding the list of "updated" click packages; Didier reverted this in Ubuntu, but we didn't have commit rights to the upstream branch; then other changes landed in bzr but didn't get into Ubuntu anymore, I had to cherry-pick the DBus rename there so fix the scope in Ubuntu; now could you merge things in Ubuntu back into the main branch?  that is, rever
[10:55] <dpm> sergiusens, ok, fix for bug 1229123 is on its way
[10:55] <dholbach> lool, is this https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/unity-scope-click/revert-last-commit/+merge/184784?
[10:56] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: hi, i submitted a MR for the qml bindings for libusermetrics here: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/libusermetrics/metrics-qml-bindings/+merge/187001 it is mostly finished but i'm still making sure the packaging is proper. but you can start reviewing I think, and I also wanted jenkins to give a go to the tests
[10:56] <lool> dholbach: Yes!  :-)
[10:56] <dholbach> thanks lool
[10:57] <dholbach> and thanks Mirv for passing on the message
[10:57] <ralsina> lool: yeah, alecu'll do it as soon as he starts (still 8AM here ;-)
[11:01] <Mirv> you're welcome
[11:04] <OrokuSaki> cool.. added sleep 30 in lightdm.conf, and got surface flinger.. =)
[11:05] <OrokuSaki> Just like ubuntu-touch-session-setup.conf =)
[11:05] <OrokuSaki> sweet.. this wasthe 21 image
[11:08] <OrokuSaki> Where is everyone today?
[11:09] <popey> Hiding from you ㋛
[11:11] <tsdgeos> ricmm: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/platform-api/papi.rules.typo/+merge/182354 still needs you guys to tell me where  usr/include/ubuntu/priv/mirserver/ubuntu_application_api_mirserver_priv.h should be installed
[11:13] <OrokuSaki> mkdir /run/user/32011
[11:13] <OrokuSaki> that seems to create more directories from unity... but the folder needed to be created
[11:13] <OrokuSaki> seems like a bug
[11:13] <OrokuSaki> But unity stays started now
[11:14] <cwayne_> pete-woods, ping
[11:14] <pete-woods> cwayne_: hi
[11:14] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: cool, thanks! I'll start looking at it!
[11:18] <cwayne_> pete-woods, i tried out your infographic theme from dconf branch, and it seems to work!
[11:18] <pete-woods> cwayne_: well I'm glad to hear that :)
[11:22] <cwayne_> pete-woods, :) commented on the MR
[11:24] <pete-woods> cwayne_: thanks!
[11:28] <cwayne_> pete-woods, np, let me know if there's anything i can do to help get it merged :)
[11:34] <asac> ricmm: remind me to chat about the media-player whitelisting
[11:39] <asac> lool: so where in powerd do you say is special code for the phone-app?
[11:39] <asac> lool: i really believe the wakelocks are magically acquired by the kernel driver for the modem
[11:39] <asac> etc.
[11:39] <asac> so... i think sound might do the same and we can leverage that
[11:39] <lool> asac: As I said, I think phone is special
[11:40] <sergiusens> dpm https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1229153
[11:41] <asac> lool: my understanding is that all drivers etc. do wakelocks for themselves
[11:41] <asac> and powerd will not sleep CPU as long as there are any wakelocks
[11:41] <asac> .e.g it might just work if we dont stop/suspend the app
[11:41] <asac> but lets see
[11:41]  * asac waits for chicken
[11:41] <lool> asac: that's right, but you can also take locks from userspace
[11:42] <asac> yeah. but in music case we might not need it as playing the sound alone will keep us awake
[11:42] <asac> but probably you are right
[11:42] <asac> lets wait
[11:42] <cwayne_> stgraber, ping
[11:42] <lool> asac: that's one way to do it I guess; probably we want to distinguish between which types of music playbacks prevent from going to sleep
[11:43] <cwayne_> sergiusens, ping, btw updated my MR to include phablet-config
[11:43] <sergiusens> cwayne_, yup, saw it last night, thanks!
[11:44] <lool> asac: http://www.mattfischer.com/blog/?p=460 has some examples
[11:45] <asac> right. i think that would be too much work
[11:45] <asac> lets see if we get away without
[11:45] <asac> (pure driver wakelocks)
[11:54] <sgirard1991> Hello
[11:55] <sgirard1991> Is anyone working on (or perhaps already finished) porting to verizon galaxy s3? i know i saw a guy started it in like february but he never did anything since then....
[11:56] <cwayne_> zsombi, ping
[11:59] <zsombi> cwayne_: pong
[12:00] <mhr3> larsu, any ideas about http://paste.ubuntu.com/6145228/ ?
[12:00] <mhr3> my device's unity8 keeps constantly crashing in there
[12:01] <UbuntuFan> can i flash rom nexus7v2 by flo on grouper
[12:02] <cwayne_> zsombi, any update on the UBUNTU_UI_TOOLKIT_THEMES_PATH bug?
[12:02] <popey> UbuntuFan: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[12:03] <zsombi> cwayne_: none, I had few hours to work on it today, but there are some more urgent tasks to complete prior to that
[12:03] <popey> UbuntuFan: specifically "Note: We currently do not support the newer '2013' Nexus 7."
[12:03] <mardy> mzanetti: hi! I see you are listed as a contributor to autopilot; could you help me with an issue I'm having?
[12:04] <cwayne_> zsombi, completely understood
ok thanks
[12:04] <zsombi> cwayne_ you are subscribed to the bug, so you should get notified when there's something more on that :)
[12:10] <mzanetti> mardy: if its autopilot-qt
[12:10] <mardy> mzanetti: yep
[12:10] <mzanetti> hit me
[12:10] <larsu> mhr3: ooh, neat!
[12:11] <larsu> mhr3: it's news to me. Works on my device unfortunately
[12:11] <larsu> do you have any idea which setting might be changing?
[12:12] <mardy> mzanetti: I call launch_test_application, the application starts, but then all tests fail with this error:
[12:12] <mardy>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/autopilot/introspection/__init__.py", line 269, in get_proxy_object_for_existing_process
[12:12] <mardy>     raise ProcessSearchError("Search criteria returned no results")
[12:13] <mhr3> larsu, i just noticed a bunch of dconf: unable to open /run/user/32011/dconf warnings in the log
[12:13] <mardy> mzanetti: the backtrace goes back to launch_test_application
[12:13] <mhr3> larsu, suppose it's connected
[12:13] <mhr3> removed all that, now it starts up fine
[12:13] <larsu> huh
[12:14] <mzanetti> mardy: hmm... seems like your autopilot tests setup is messed
[12:14] <larsu> mhr3: how did you get rid of those warnings?
[12:14] <mhr3> larsu, rm -rvf /run/user/32011
[12:14] <mhr3> reboot
[12:15] <mardy> mzanetti: I initially had testability-qttas-server and testability-qttas installed, then I removed them and installed autopilot-qt5
[12:15] <mardy> mzanetti: any way to find out what's wrong?
[12:15] <Chocanto> popey: ping
[12:15] <mzanetti> mardy: if you manually run your application with -testability, does it print "Loading testability driver" as the first thing?
[12:15] <larsu> mhr3: weird... so dconf was in a corrupted state?
[12:15] <larsu> mhr3: let me know if this happens again
[12:16] <mardy> mzanetti: nope
[12:16] <popey> Chocanto: pong
[12:16] <ogra_> larsu, mhr3 note that the 58 and 59 images are busted on maguro (galaxy nexus) ... in case you use that
[12:16] <mhr3> larsu, k
[12:16] <mhr3> ogra_, i do, why are they busted?
[12:16] <mzanetti> mardy: then your application doesn't load the testability driver
[12:17] <ogra_> mhr3, the lightdm session changes make surfacrflinger crash for whatever reason
[12:17] <mardy> mzanetti: could it be that for some reason it's not installed? Where is it, in the filesystem?
[12:17] <mzanetti> mardy: you need to either use QApplication (not QGuiApplication) or load the library yourself. check out for example camera-app's code on how to do that
[12:17] <mardy> mzanetti: ah, it's QGuiApplication indeed
[12:17] <Chocanto> popey: Hey how are you ? I saw for adding the file-reading API into the sdk, they said it will be difficult. Do you think it will be possible to add a separate package to the image release for docviewer ?
[12:17] <mhr3> ogra_, i'm on pending cdimage, don't see any trouble with lightdm nor sirfaceflinger
[12:17] <ogra_> mhr3, we rolled all of the offending changes back and weill be at the state withtout lightdm with the next upcoming build again
[12:17] <ogra_> (build 60)
[12:18] <mardy> mzanetti: OK, thanks
[12:18] <ogra_> asac, ^^^ intresting
[12:18] <mzanetti> mardy:
[12:18] <mzanetti> /usr/lib/libautopilot_driver_qt5.so.1.0
[12:18] <mzanetti> /usr/lib/libqttestability.so
[12:18] <popey> Chocanto: can this not be bundled into the doc viewer app click package?
[12:18] <ogra_> asac, seems maguro works fine with the rw image even with the session changes
[12:19] <Chocanto> popey: I can always do it... but it will be "dirty"  to mix JS and C++
[12:19] <popey> Chocanto: other apps have modules bundled in
[12:19] <asac> ogra_: with what session changes?
[12:20] <ogra_> asac, with the 59 "cdimage" image
[12:20] <ogra_> asac, seems maguro doesnt have a prob there
[12:20] <sergiusens> Chocanto, look at https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/filemanager-app-click/
[12:21] <ogra_> asac, which points to an issue with rw/ro differences
[12:21] <sergiusens> Chocanto, use pull-lp-bin, extract the deb with your module and set QML2_IMPORT_DIR
[12:21]  * asac *shrugs*
[12:22] <sergiusens> ogra_, the hard part is rebuilding a r/o image with your additions to test a clean install
[12:22] <sergiusens> meh, my problem
[12:22] <Chocanto> sergiusens: OK thank you I will see
[12:22] <sergiusens> it's already complicated to create a non bastardized livecd-rootfs env
[12:22] <ogra_> sergiusens, just make it writable and install the bits
[12:22] <Chocanto> popey: Ok ok, so I will do it, thank you ! :)
[12:22] <ogra_> sergiusens, thast what i do
[12:22] <popey> Chocanto: unless dpm can think of a good reason not to
[12:23] <ogra_> sergiusens, fresh install with --no-backup, make image writable, install the changed packages, test
[12:23] <ogra_> sergiusens, i'll try to work a bit on rootstock-ng the next weeks .. that should make local builds easy
[12:23]  * asac grabs some food while we wait for RO image and tests
[12:23] <sergiusens> ogra_, yeah, but sometimes you want to see the effects of not having certain packages in the image
[12:24] <ogra_> right
[12:24] <asac> we should really look at the approach we take here
[12:24] <ogra_> asac, rw is done btw ...
[12:24] <asac> it needs to be super easy to work against RO iamges
[12:24] <sergiusens> ogra_, it's a corner case, but it is the last test to make sure nothing breaks
[12:24] <asac> without making them necessarily RW
[12:24] <ogra_> asac, right
[12:24] <asac> we should look how android does it
[12:24] <asac> they have a smart approach from what i know... we could see if we can learn from that
[12:24] <sergiusens> asac, they make it read/write for system stuff though
[12:25] <Chocanto> popey: Oh and docviewer is not in a click package, I need to convert it ?
[12:25] <sergiusens> Chocanto, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6145304/
[12:25] <popey> thanks sergiusens
[12:25]  * asac goes and grabs some food
[12:26] <Chocanto> sergiusens: Ok thank you, you will make me gain a lot of time ^^
[12:27] <ogra_> asac, well, as i discussed with cjwatson in the other channel, for the proposed testing we should have a special image build variant that we can tell to us a certain PPA ... to that PPA we copy the packages from proposed we want in our test image ... i suppose that method could also be used with random packages
[12:27] <ogra_> (just removing is harder since we would have to maintain a fake seed and meta for this)
[12:27] <ogra_> s/us/use/
[12:33] <Chocanto> sergiusens: But I still have to create a new package for my new componant
[12:34] <cwayne_> anyone got time for an MR? https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu/saucy/lxc-android-config/timezone/+merge/186953
[12:34] <sergiusens> Chocanto, yeah, can't get way from that
[12:35] <Chocanto> sergiusens: Ahah... well let work !
[12:35] <plars> stgraber: I'm seeing http://paste.ubuntu.com/6145351/ on maguro with the images from over the weekend, but not on mako
[12:35] <cwayne_> alecu, hey, so did qr-code 0.3 ever make it into the store?
[12:36] <plars> ogra_: ^
[12:36] <ogra_> cwayne_, i'll take care during the day, can you add it to the spreadsheet ?
[12:37] <cwayne_> ogra_, the 'landing pipeline' one?
[12:37] <ogra_> yeah
[12:38] <ogra_> add my name next to it
[12:38] <cwayne_> ogra_, i don't have write access to it
[12:38] <ogra_> asac, ^^^
[12:44] <OrokuSaki> My mp3's won't show up in the music-app... =) jk updating
[12:47] <mardy> mzanetti: that worked, thanks!
[12:47] <OrokuSaki> @ogra I have this bug.. and I don't know what to do.. it involves delta max and a touchscreen. swipes get mistaken for double touches on certain boots.. like 1 out of 5.. put the ts_srv.c in debug mode, everything seems fine with it
[12:48] <OrokuSaki> @ogra you know a way to debug that?  or see.. what is going on? =)
[12:50] <OrokuSaki> I will recompile with the latest systemd-udevd with accept4 patch and see what happens... I am outdated
[12:53] <OrokuSaki> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1229153
[12:59] <asac> ricmm: ChickenCutlass: hey
[13:00] <ChickenCutlass> asac, hi
[13:00] <asac> ricmm: ChickenCutlass: whitelisting of music-app on platform-api ... is that enough or do we also need to do wakelock magic to prevent phone from going to sleep?
[13:00] <ChickenCutlass> asac, yes both
[13:00]  * asac hopes that drivers keep wakelock
[13:00] <asac> ChickenCutlass: shouldnt music playback on driver level keep the device alive?
[13:01] <ChickenCutlass> asac, powerd has an api to prevent sleep
[13:01] <asac> ChickenCutlass: is phone-app calling that too?
[13:01] <asac> or how are we doing it there?
[13:01] <ChickenCutlass> asac, no -- rild prevents it
[13:04] <lool> ChickenCutlass: I think the goal here is to keep music-app playing even if the device idle kicks in; secondary goal is to keep it playing when it's not the foreground app anymore
[13:04] <lool> ChickenCutlass: IIUC, we'd need two changes, one would be to either patch music-app or pulseaudio to take a powerd lock, and the other would be to whitelist music-app in application lifecycle
[13:05] <ChickenCutlass> lool, I know
[13:05] <lool> the pulseaudio approach would seem to be less technical debt than the music-app one
[13:05] <lool> ChickenCutlass: asac wasn't clear on which actual changes were required; he thought perhaps audio drivers would keep locks for us
[13:06] <ChickenCutlass> lool, nope they do not
[13:06] <lool> asac: ^
[13:06] <ChickenCutlass> lool, I already told him
[13:06] <mardy> kenvandine: hi! I'm writing autopilot tests for Online Accounts in Ubuntu Touch :-)
[13:06] <lool> ok, sorry for making you repeat here then  :-)   I also said the same thing  :-)
[13:07] <mardy> kenvandine: do you know if there's a way to ensure that a ListView delegate is visible?
[13:07] <kenvandine> humm
[13:07] <mardy> kenvandine: I mean, scroll down to it, if needed
[13:07] <kenvandine> mardy, woot on the testing!
[13:07] <kenvandine> oh
[13:07] <kenvandine> yes
[13:07] <kenvandine> there is a currentIndex i think
[13:08] <kenvandine> and setting that scrolls
[13:08] <cyphermox> davmor2: poke
[13:08] <kenvandine> i had a hack for doing that at one point
[13:08] <kenvandine> in friends-app
[13:08] <mardy> kenvandine: ah, yes! Do you think it's safe to change QML properties from autopilot?
[13:09] <cwayne_> mterry, ping
[13:09] <kenvandine> mardy,  positionViewAtIndex
[13:09] <kenvandine> that's what you want
[13:09] <mterry> cwayne, hello
[13:09] <mterry> cwayne_, er, hello :)
[13:09] <kenvandine> mardy, probably safe
[13:09] <davmor2> cyphermox: back atcha
[13:09] <mardy> kenvandine: do you still have that hack?
[13:09] <cwayne_> mterry, hey, so i tried to run my upstart job to change the welcome screen background, and I get a permission denied error
[13:10] <davmor2> cyphermox: you should have a nice email off me :)
[13:10] <kenvandine> it's in bzr history somewhere, but it should be straight forward
[13:10] <kenvandine> i was doing it because i had trouble making it jump to the top
[13:10] <kenvandine> just at startup
[13:11] <mterry> cwayne, one moment
[13:11] <kenvandine> after the model was ready i callsed positionViewAtIndex
[13:11] <davmor2> cyphermox: the 3g experiment on the whole worked well with glitches however some more important than others :)
[13:11] <cyphermox> ok
[13:12] <davmor2> cyphermox: I listed it all in the email.  I kept the syslogs however they are huge
[13:12] <ogra_> mterry, so i guess you saw the bad news by now
[13:13] <ogra_> (we had to roll back again, surfaceflinger segfaults on maguro with it)
[13:14] <cyphermox> davmor2: please send syslogs
[13:14] <ogra_> mterry, did i scare you ?
[13:14] <ogra_> :)
[13:14] <mterry> ogra_, :)  I missed a message maybe
[13:14] <ogra_> mterry, so i guess you saw the bad news by now
[13:14] <ogra_> (we had to roll back again, surfaceflinger segfaults on maguro with it)
[13:14] <ogra_> (from before)
[13:15] <mterry> ogra_, this is even with lightdm.conf in the right place?
[13:15] <ogra_> yes
[13:15] <mterry> ogra_, what about with it in the wrong place?  :)
[13:16] <ogra_> mterry, well,http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/ ... 58: had it in the wrong place, 59: in the right one
[13:16] <ogra_> for both maguro falls over
[13:19] <davmor2> cyphermox: hopefully sent
[13:20] <popey> asac: ogra_ any image we're going to test/release today?
[13:20] <ogra_> popey, 60 should be there
[13:20] <davmor2> cyphermox: I just replied to the orginal message so if you don't get it give me a ping and I'll upload it to ubuntu one
[13:20] <mterry> ogra_, interesting how big a difference the right place made...  seems like an odd result for suddenly having logind work
[13:20] <popey> ogra_: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/4411/
[13:21] <popey> looks double-plus-not-ungood
[13:21] <ogra_> mterry, well, the 58 tests are a bit blurry, i had to re-add the bashrc hack to actually make the tests not be a no-op
[13:21] <ogra_> 59 has that bit added back plus a move to the right location for the config
[13:21] <mterry> ogra_, ah
[13:21] <ogra_> mterry, i think asac tested both manually and said SF doesnt come up on either
[13:22] <sergiusens> Mirv, did you take a look at my changes to the qtmultimedia-touch packaging branch?
[13:22] <sergiusens> Mirv, jhodapp and myself feel good for a greenlight with that
[13:22] <ogra_> rsalveti, around already ? seems gst/plugins/bad is ready for upload
[13:23] <ogra_> s/\//\-/
[13:23] <sergiusens> ogra_, regex too complicated for a monday morning
[13:23] <sergiusens> ogra_, too many /
[13:23] <sergiusens> :-)
[13:23] <ogra_> haha
[13:23] <ogra_> i think its actually one \ to much
[13:23] <jhodapp> morning
[13:24] <mterry> ogra_, I remember the first time this was tested, before last week, slowdowns were reported but not crashes... ?
[13:24] <ogra_> mterry, right
[13:24] <ogra_> mterry, and i only tested on mako ... bad me
[13:24]  * sergiusens didn't see crashes when he tested
[13:24] <ogra_> mterry, if you test yourself make sure you use the readonly images though
[13:24] <mterry> ogra_, just use s|\|-| or similar  :)
[13:24] <ogra_> heh
[13:24] <sergiusens> mterry, +1
[13:27] <mterry> ogra_, I only have nexus4 and 7
[13:28] <mterry> ogra_, OK so what's the next step here?  I would ideally have access to a maguro or someone that does would help debug it?
[13:28] <ogra_> yeah, i guess that should be the next step
[13:28] <Mirv> sergiusens: hi, I didn't look at the latest ones, let me see those quickly
[13:28] <mterry> cwayne, do you have a maguro?
[13:28] <ogra_> mhr3, also reported to use the latest pending cdimage image (rw) and doesnt see crashes
[13:29] <cwayne> mterry, i do
[13:29] <mterry> ogra_, mhr3: fascinating
[13:29] <ogra_> so it might be a simple missing rw path
[13:29] <mterry> ogra_, machine specific?  Maybe
[13:29]  * ogra_ will test that himself later 
[13:29] <cwayne> mterry, just read some scrollback, i'm happy to help debug
[13:29] <ogra_> mterry, most likely ... they have different GLES drrivers
[13:29] <cwayne> especially since we need lightdm :)
[13:29] <ogra_> cwayne, yeah
[13:30] <mterry> cwayne, OK.  Let's try remote debugging first :)  I'll pm you
[13:30] <ogra_> another thing we need to take a close look at with the lightdm changes is if apps need any pkla files ibn place to talk to their dbus backend
[13:30] <mterry> ogra_, this shouldn't make it any worse.  should make it easier
[13:31] <ogra_> mterry, if there is such an app, it will fail the testsuite (hopefully)
[13:32] <mardy> mzanetti: is there a way to change a property from the test code (I want to change a Flickable's "contentY" in order to reveal an item I need to click on)?
[13:33] <mzanetti> mardy: no
[13:33] <mhr3> ogra_, mterry, oh btw i had to rm -rvf /run/user/*
[13:33] <ogra_> ?
[13:33] <ogra_> thats a tmpfs
[13:33] <mzanetti> mardy: a) you shouldn't change contentY of a flickable programmatically, b) especially not in a test that simulates the user
[13:33] <ogra_> it should have been wiped after a reboot
[13:33] <mardy> mzanetti: true. Should I simulate a mouse wheel?
[13:34] <mhr3> ogra_, hm, yea it was weird, just thought i should mention that
[13:34] <mzanetti> mardy: yep. there is flick() or something like that
[13:34] <asac> mterry: right. i only get black screen on build 59 on maguro
[13:34] <mterry> mhr3, I wonder if you had an underlying directory that was there from old hacks?
[13:35] <ricmm> asac: landing call still going on?
[13:35] <mardy> mzanetti: but flick() takes the velocity as parameter, I wonder how reliable that is
[13:35] <mhr3> mterry, dconf was complaining that it can write there, dunno what/who/when created it
[13:35] <mhr3> it cant*
[13:35] <ogra_> asac, did you test 58 too ?
[13:35] <mzanetti> mardy: no... there is something in autopilot
[13:36] <ogra_> asac, the question was if it worked on 58 but failed on 59
[13:36] <mzanetti> mardy: where you give start and end coords and it moves the mouse for you
[13:37] <mardy> mzanetti: ah, just found it: touch.drag(). Will try that, thanks!
[13:37] <mzanetti> mardy: yeah.. thats the one
[13:39] <cwayne> asac, ping
[13:43] <cyphermox> davmor2: nothing still
[13:44] <davmor2> cyphermox: right the file probably got block for it's size let me try the link thing now my creds are correct
[13:44] <cyphermox> davmor2: I think we've properly fixed the original bug from you/popey/rick though, so I'd upload anyway, but at least I can get a head start on the issues you've identified and see if they can be reproduced
[13:45] <popey> yay
[13:46] <davmor2> cyphermox: indeed I think these are only issues that have been exposed now that we can connect
[13:46] <cyphermox> ack
[13:47] <davmor2> cyphermox: resent using u1 link
[13:47] <oSoMoN> daker: as you anticipated, there are conflicts when merging your MR into trunk now that one of them has been merged, could you please resolve them?
[13:49] <Mirv> sergiusens: works for me, the same as before, although I'm not sure if there's a more blessed way for the diverts or not. regardless, please answer the FFe it seems to have an unanswered question about landing schedule: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1227987
[13:49] <mardy> Laney: hi! Could you please have a look at this? https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings/testability/+merge/187011
[13:49] <Mirv> and an archive admin
[13:49] <Laney> mardy: ok, will do in a bit
[13:51] <sergiusens> jhodapp, can you take a look at the above^^ ?
[13:52] <davmor2> cyphermox: did you get that version?
[13:52] <Laney> ogra_: do you know about making files writable in the ro images? is there a list somewhere?
[13:52] <ogra_> Laney, in lxc-android-config
[13:53] <shamaniac> Hi. I'm just about to flash Ubuntu on my "new" Nexus4. I need to be able to tweak the system into enabling reverse tethering...(internet via USB and my computer) Is this possible in the read-only <ubuntu-system>? Or should I rather flash <cdimage-touch>?
[13:53] <ogra_> Laney,  etc/system-image/writable-files in the code there
[13:53] <asac> ogra_: 58 was busted
[13:53] <asac> and 59
[13:53] <cyphermox> davmor2: not yet
[13:53] <asac> ogra_: both didnt work... loads of .crash files
[13:53] <asac> i can try again
[13:53] <ogra_> asac, both the same way ?
[13:53] <cyphermox> it'll come... in the meantime I'll go get some coffe
[13:53] <ogra_> nah, thats enough
[13:54] <ogra_> asac, there was hope that the config file in the worng place (that the first upload had) would have worked around it
[13:54] <Laney> ogra_: I want to add /etc/timezone
[13:54] <Laney> don't know how to test that it's enough though without uploading
[13:54] <jhodapp> sergiusens, I answered the comment
[13:54] <davmor2> cyphermox: the 10.6MB file is now a link the 4MB one is still an attachment  so we'll see if u1 link got the figures correct :D
[13:55] <ogra_> Laney, i think cwayne has an MP for that ... i would be fine with just landing it as it onlz makes two files writable, shouldnt cause anything in tests ... asac ?
[13:55] <cwayne> ogra_, Laney https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu/saucy/lxc-android-config/timezone/+merge/186953
[13:55] <ogra_> it has zero risk imho
[13:55] <cwayne> Laney, we'd need /etc/localtime as well
[13:55] <Laney> yes
[13:55] <alecu> cwayne: yes, qr-code is 0.3.1 in the store now
[13:55] <cwayne> alecu, great, thanks
[13:55] <Mirv> jhodapp: please also answer the archive admin part, ie. contact someone from the https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+members who promises to do the NEW reviewing of the package
[13:56] <Laney> cwayne: did you check it makes the dbus call work?
[13:56] <jhodapp> Mirv, I don't know the answer to that part
[13:56] <Laney> (how do you test changes there?)
[13:56] <cwayne> Laney, i have a phablet-config script that sets it, which dbus call are you referring to?
[13:56] <jhodapp> Mirv, can you explain that some more, I'm not familiar with the process
[13:56] <Laney> cwayne: org.freedesktop.timedate1.SetTimezone
[13:57] <Laney> sudo gdbus call -y -d org.freedesktop.timedate1 -o /org/freedesktop/timedate1 -m org.freedesktop.timedate1.SetTimezone "Europe/London" false
[13:57] <anders3408> mhall119:  you here :)
[13:57] <Laney> try that for example
[13:57] <cwayne> Laney, let me try
[13:57] <cwayne> Laney, but either way, i think we'll need /etc/localtime writable as well
[13:57] <Mirv> jhodapp: if the FFe would be approved now, and you'd upload the qtmultimedia-touch, it'd go into the "NEW" queue, visible at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text= - someone from the archive admins needs to do the NEW review (and approve the packaging) before it'd go into the archives. so Scott wants to know who will do the review.
[13:58] <ogra_> Laney, shouldnt that be sudo -u phablet -i ... to test it in the right context ?
[13:58] <Laney> cwayne: yes
[13:58] <Laney> ogra_: system bus, doesn't matter
[13:58] <Laney> phablet user will be able to do it when PK works ..
[13:58]  * Laney coughs
[13:58] <tedg> lool, Good morning, Pouvez-vous jouer de la musique française?
[13:59] <ogra_> Laney, well, not without the proper pkla that allows it
[13:59] <Laney> already exists
[14:00] <jhodapp> ogra_, in reference to Mirv's last comment, is that something you can do?
[14:00] <cwayne> Laney, doesn't seem to do anything
[14:00] <Laney> what did it say?
[14:01] <cwayne> Laney, phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo -u phablet -i gdbus call -y -d org.freedesktop.timedate1 -o /org/freedesktop/timedate1 -m org.freedesktop.timedate1.SetTimezone "Europe/London" false
[14:01] <cwayne> Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Operation not permitted
[14:01] <ogra_> jhodapp, no, release team needs to do it ... someone like Laney for exmple :)
[14:01] <Laney> don't listen to ogra :P
[14:01] <jhodapp> lol
[14:01] <Laney> BOTH OF YOU!
[14:01] <ogra_> heh
[14:01] <anders3408> ogra_:  hey :) i forgot who it was you said i should take my pwrkey issue with ?  :)
[14:02]  * ogra_ tries to not listen to ogra since 43 years ... but he is always so convincing !
[14:02] <jhodapp> Laney, is that something you can do and would be willing to do?
[14:02] <ogra_> anders3408, sforshee
[14:02] <Laney> do what?
[14:02] <jhodapp> Laney, look at Mirv's last comment to me
[14:02] <ogra_> Laney, approving another FFe
[14:02] <Laney> maybe in a bit
[14:03] <jhodapp> Laney, or if you can recommend someone else, our landing slot is today
[14:03] <sergiusens> ogra_, if ogra_ weren't convincing to you, that would be an issue
[14:04] <anders3408> thanks ogra_:)
[14:04] <ogra_> sergiusens, haha, yeah
[14:04] <Laney> I think you should ask ScottK as he had the previous q
[14:04] <anders3408> !ping sforshee
[14:05] <sforshee> anders3408: what power key issue?
[14:05] <jhodapp> Laney, how do I contact him?
[14:05] <Laney> IRC
[14:05] <Laney> try #ubuntu-release
[14:06] <jhodapp> k
[14:06] <ogra_> sforshee, anders3408 is the porter for the oppo 5 ... he has everything working but the power button
[14:06] <ogra_> seems powerd doesnt recognize it
[14:06] <anders3408> the case is im working on getting ubuntu touch working on oppo find5 , and so far its bootable and 3g and wifi is working... i can send a sms or go online, but i cant make call and on and on....
[14:08] <shamaniac> Have anyone had any success with Reverse tethering? Is there a howto somewhere?
[14:08] <anders3408> main issues atm is if i reboot the lxc container makes an issue somehow, as ubuntu cant see that /system/bin/* exsist, but  i can see it via adb, so it makes a bootloop and fails to boot.... the other main issue i am having is ubuntu doesnt recognize my pwrkey.. if i opens up terminal and having the keyboard opened, and i press the power key or volume up or down all it does it making a ?  sforshee
[14:10] <ogra_> shamaniac, not supported yet, but technically possible and not really hard to do if you know which knobs to play with
[14:13] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: when you say "use <> style includes everywhere" you mean even if the file is from the same dir as the including file ?
[14:14] <sforshee> anders3408: it seems weird that you'd get a ? when pressing the power key, perhaps the driver is sending the wrong key code
[14:14] <dholbach> cjwatson, thanks for the feedback on the u-appstore-dev list
[14:14] <davmor2> cyphermox: did you get the email yet?
[14:14] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: yes, I mean literally everywhere
[14:15] <shamaniac> thanks ogra. I will play around and see if i can make it... and do more research
[14:15] <sforshee> anders3408: but then there's layers of android and libhybris stuff before powerd gets the keycode, and I don't know much about what happens there
[14:15] <anders3408> sforshee: the keylayouts are the same as it is on mako
[14:15] <sforshee> anders3408: I'm not sure exactly what that means. But if you press the power key and get ? on the console, that really sounds like the wrong key code
[14:16] <anders3408> sforshee:  this is what i mean : https://bitbucket.org/anders3408/ubuntu_device_oppo_find5/src/c4cd7e98f25f80a947cb17d96da2d7e2f1c3c23c/pmic8xxx_pwrkey.kl?at=ubuntu
[14:16] <anders3408> oppo find 5 is pretty much a lge mako on very many points :)
[14:17] <anders3408> *** parts
[14:18] <sforshee> anders3408: so I'm not really familiar with how android does key mappings, but I assume that means that when the kernel sends keycode 116 (which is KEY_POWER) that the android input stack should generate a power key event?
[14:18] <anders3408> sforshee:  yep thats correct :)
[14:18] <sforshee> anders3408: maybe try installing input-utils and seeing what the raw keycode getting sent by the driver is
[14:19] <anders3408> can that be installed by apt-get install input-utils ? or  :) one hint is , my kernel has no apparmor yet , so i cant use click apps :) they all fails to install :) no perm
[14:20] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: ok, done. another thing i'm not sure of is this "Don't add extra paths to the CMake include directories in your plug-in". Where do you see that happening in my code ?
[14:21] <sforshee> anders3408: apt-get install input-utils works, then you need to know which /dev/input/event device generates key events for the power button and run 'input-events devnr', where devnr is the number that comes after event in the file name
[14:21] <sforshee> anders3408: e.g. for /dev/input/event0 you'd run 'input-events 0'
[14:21] <sforshee> then press the power button and see what it prints out
[14:21] <pete-woods> nerchiaro: that's in one of your CMakeLists.txt
[14:21] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: ^
[14:21] <anders3408> yes that event0 that find5 uses for pwrkey
[14:22] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: are you referring to adding ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR} to include_directories ?
[14:22] <anders3408> that will get me started on the pwrkey issue sforshee thanks :) but next question : why does it fails to find the binaries in the /system/bin 2nd time i tries to bootup ?
[14:23] <pete-woods> nerocharo: that and the current source dir
[14:23] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: sorry I keep spelling your name incorrectly :$
[14:23] <sforshee> anders3408: I wouldn't know, that seems more like ogra_'s department
[14:23] <pete-woods> I'm terrible at typing in IRC
[14:23] <ogra_> sforshee, yeah, and i have no idea either :)
[14:23] <anders3408> ugh thats doenst sounds to well :)
[14:24] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: you should get a client with nick autocomplete. should help with my annoying italian nickname
[14:24] <nerochiaro> ;)
[14:24] <ogra_> pete-woods, type in an editor and copy/paster then
[14:24]  * ogra_ grins
[14:24] <pete-woods> :)
[14:25] <anders3408> it just acts as a permission issue , though it doesnt tell anything about no permissions to use like /system/bin/sh , it just yells out that /system/bin/sh doesnt exsist , which is does as i can see it from adb :9
[14:25] <anders3408> :)
[14:25] <lool> tedg: :-)
[14:26] <sforshee> anders3408: are you checking from within the container?
[14:26] <lool> tedg: so I haven't tried yet; I have a hard time finding a slot long enough to review the code path from .desktop file down to upstart job
[14:26] <anders3408> sforshee:  no as i cant enter the container on 2nd bootup
[14:27] <lool> tedg: but essentially what I told Thomas S is: a) kind of sad we're adding C code and doing parsing there, it seems overall dangerous  b) however good news that we're simplifying the handling by reading APP_* stuff directly  c) /!\ would really benefit from in-code documentation + testsuite to make us all confortable this is safe
[14:27] <anders3408> if i write android_chroot it says "sh doesnt exsist" . looked in the configs for android_chroot and found that it by default using sh from /system/bin/sh
[14:27] <sforshee> anders3408: unfortunately I know virtually nothing about containers
[14:27] <anders3408> but then i can cd into that path and se it exsist
[14:27] <lool> tedg: I didn't actually see the proper unquoting in the code yet, but as I said only managed to do a couple of reading passes on the diff
[14:27] <ogra_> anders3408, dont trust android_chroot evar !
[14:27] <anders3408> ogra_:  uhm ?
[14:27] <anders3408> :9
[14:27] <ogra_> anders3408, thats just a ittle convenience script i hacked together, its not bug free ...
[14:27] <tedg> lool, Yeah, we basically don't have to do the unquote/quote cycle because we're passing them directly in C.
[14:28] <anders3408> ah :)
[14:28] <cwayne> Laney, hey sorry i just got derailed by a meeting, what was the plan for timezone?
[14:28] <daker> oSoMoN: sure
[14:28] <Laney> cwayne: try it with just plain 'sudo' please
[14:28] <Laney> i.e. as root
[14:28] <tedg> lool, But, yes, it needs more tests.  But that should be easier in C as I was struggling with testing the upstart jobs properly.  But the C utilities should be pretty easy.
[14:28] <cwayne> Laney, phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo  gdbus call -y -d org.freedesktop.timedate1 -o /org/freedesktop/timedate1 -m org.freedesktop.timedate1.SetTimezone "Europe/London" false
[14:28] <cwayne> [sudo] password for phablet:
[14:28] <cwayne> Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed: Read-only file system
[14:28] <cwayne> (According to introspection data, you need to pass 'sb')
[14:28] <plars> balloons: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch_ro-maguro-smoke-music-app-autopilot/81/console - some new mediaplayer failures
[14:28] <anders3408> ogra_:  then i should probably check in /proc/{pid}/some/folder/where/android/exsist/system/bin ?
[14:28] <Laney> cwayne: with the tz files writeable?
[14:29] <lool> tedg: are you parsing " pairs in C now?  I must have missed this bit
[14:29] <lool> I need to read the merged code
[14:29] <cwayne> Laney, yeah, that's with /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime writable
[14:29] <ogra_> anders3408, no, you shouldnt poke around in that at all ...
[14:29] <Laney> bah
[14:29] <cwayne> Laney, i don't suppose it's doing a dpkg-reconfigure tzdata?
[14:29] <lool> tedg: right, the code seems to be test-friendly
[14:29] <Laney> no, certainly not
[14:29] <ogra_> anders3408, if you suspect your container doesnt run, look in /var/log/lxc/
[14:29] <anders3408> ogra_: it runs, and doenst complains about issues
[14:29] <mandel> barry, ping
[14:30] <ogra_> anders3408, then all is fine
[14:30] <barry> mandel: pong
[14:30] <balloons> plars, doesn't looke like the build will be stable
[14:30] <Laney> cwayne: maybe you can kill & run /lib/systemd/systemd-timedated under strace -e trace=open to try and find out where it comes from
[14:30] <mandel> barry, 'good' news I have tested the cancel signals and it does work
[14:30] <ogra_> ignore android_chroot (feel free to file a bug, but i guess i'll rather remove it than fix it)
[14:30] <tedg> lool, No, we're not parsing the "".  I don't think we need to.  We're passing exactly the Exec line with just the "%var" replace.
[14:30] <tedg> lool, So if an app puts " in there, they get exactly that.
[14:31] <anders3408> ogra_:  but it isnt :) its not fine at all :) something is going wrong when i tries it
[14:31] <tedg> lool, But it also means per-param we can have spaces or any other character in there (except '\0')
[14:31] <plars> balloons: it had the breakages from the previous build reverted, or do you mean something else?
[14:31] <lool> tedg: you don't want to pass "" on the argv
[14:31] <lool> tedg: or it will try to open a file named literally "something"
[14:32] <lool> tedg: desktop file spec says that one should put double-quotes around % escapes IIRC; ie "%f"
[14:32] <tedg> lool, Sure, and we don't *add* that.  But if an app puts that in their Exec line, they will get what they asked for.
[14:32] <barry> mandel: interesting.  i wonder if my test failure is really a problem of progress signal granularity?  e.g. download 2 10MB files, how often should we get progress?  i actually switched my test to call .cancel() when the started signal comes in, and that works reliably
[14:32] <anders3408> ogra_:  gimme a sec and ill reflash :)
[14:32] <lool> albeit that's not what I see in .desktop here
[14:33] <anders3408> ogra_:  also usb mount/sdcard fails :)
[14:33] <ogra_> anders3408, we dont have any support for sdcards in ubuntu yet
[14:33] <anders3408> oh :)
[14:33] <balloons> plars, I was hoping to have seen a new stable image, but unless I'm missing something there hasn't been one..
[14:33] <cwayne> Laney, heh, now its Failed to set timezone: Device or resource busy
[14:33] <ogra_> caused by the fact that we use nexus devices
[14:33] <anders3408> it also just a virtual sdcard really :)
[14:33] <Laney> ¬_¬
[14:33] <tedg> lool, Ah, I do see that in the spec.  I don't think that GLib is doing that, just relying on the shell.
[14:34] <balloons> plars, so on the music breakage, I'm not sure what I'm looking at. I know work was going on with those tests, so I'll have to see if anything merged or not
[14:34] <lool> tedg: That's right, it's relying on a shell process doing it
[14:34] <cwayne> Laney, it also seems to be opening /etc/adjtime
[14:34] <lool> tedg: but then we should have the same quoting requirements, yes?
[14:34] <Laney> cwayne: oh I don't know about this one
[14:34] <cwayne> Laney, and complaining that /etc/localtime isnt a symlink
[14:34] <lool> stuff seems to be using %f in .desktop files here, not "%f"
[14:34] <Laney> cwayne: why isn't it a symlink?
[14:35] <anders3408> ogra_:  if you/someone from ubuntu team gets a free find 5 will that be able to add official ubuntu support  ?
[14:35] <lool> same for %u and %U
[14:35] <ogra_> anders3408, official support would need management approval ...
[14:35] <Laney> cwayne: Seems adjtime needs to be writeable indeed, though
[14:35] <cwayne> Laney, i don't know
[14:35] <tedg> lool, Yeah, I'm thinking that, in general.  Spaces and stuff has been broken for a while :-)
[14:35] <cwayne> Laney, updating writable paths and rebooting
[14:35] <cwayne> will let you know
[14:35] <lool> tedg: I find it's a fairly dangerous situation
[14:35] <tedg> lool, We're just discovering it because we're using it more.
[14:36] <lool> because filenames and URLs are typically user provided
[14:36] <lool> and click .desktop files partly so too
[14:36] <anders3408> ogra_: just that im damn new to ubuntu touch and not sure if i can manage to get it all up :) but its just pretty damn close atm :9
[14:37] <tedg> lool, Well, we're reasonably safe because we're guaranteeing that they remain a single command line argument.  The case we're missing is if there's an Exec line that escaped other characters.
[14:38] <anders3408> ogra_:  damn first bootup also fails now :( it doesnt that some days ago on same zips
[14:38] <anders3408>  lxc_start - failed to spawn 'android'
[14:38] <ogra_> right, check the logs i mentioned above
[14:39] <fginther> elopio, have you been involved in the ubuntu-ui-toolkit failure issue today?
[14:39] <elopio> fginther: just looking at it.
[14:39] <fginther> elopio, I'm trying to figure out if things are better now, but still seeing lots of failures
[14:40] <elopio> definetly not my doing :) I'll flash the phone and try to run the tests there.
[14:40] <ktz> hello
[14:40] <ktz> I can't seem to be able to find a history of the releases and a page with current known issues of the rom on Nexus 4
[14:40] <ktz> is anyone using this on N4?
[14:41] <cwayne> Laney, same error
[14:41] <Laney> cwayne: how can I try it?
[14:42] <ktz> awww found something
[14:42] <ktz> it's not usable at all as a daily driver
[14:42] <ktz> any ETA for an usable beta?
[14:43] <ogra_> ktz, the stable channel should be fully usable as daily driver
[14:43] <ogra_> what issue did you find
[14:44] <cwayne> Laney, add the following to /etc/system-image/writable-paths: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6145787/
[14:44] <ktz> ogra_, stuff like 3G connection not working, and it looks like there's some issue on the N4. If the battery gets completely drained it might fail to start at all
[14:44] <Laney> cwayne: oh, cool, you can just edit that
[14:44] <Laney> I thought you had to get the package on there
[14:44]  * Laney is flashing back to ro images, will be a few minutes
[14:44] <om26er> fginther, I was asked to get that attention as well :)
[14:45] <ogra_> ktz, 3G works for me ... the latter is a HW issue we cant really do much about it
[14:45] <om26er> fginther, not really sure what went bad, probably something changed in the "new image"
[14:45] <fginther> om26er, I heard there was something lightdm related on maguro
[14:46] <ogra_> ktz, (there is a known issue with NM if you switch a lot between wlan and 3G though, a fix for that should land today i think)
[14:46] <ktz> ogra_, you mean it might no be possible to fix it ever?
[14:46] <anders3408> ogra_:  something failed on first bootup :) a reflash and a reboot and its booting :)
[14:46] <ogra_> ktz, well, we could probably make sure to shut down earlier ... but we cant really fix the hardware
[14:46] <ktz> it would be cool to have dual boot
[14:46] <dobey> is ubuntu touch using NM for network handling? or something else?
[14:46] <ogra_> dobey, NM
[14:46] <om26er> fginther, I flashed my maguro to today's image as well. trying to install stuff here now just to see if that really happens locally for me as well
[14:46] <dobey> ogra_: great, thanks
[14:46] <ogra_> dobey, not nm-applet thugh
[14:47] <fginther> om26er, some jobs on maguro are passing now, but ubuntu-ui-toolkit hasn't come through yet
[14:47] <lool> tedg: we're in now
[14:47] <ktz> ogra_, any brick history on N4?
[14:47] <fginther> om26er, so far so good on this one: http://10.97.2.10:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-maguro/1151/console
[14:48] <dobey> ogra_: right. was just wondering if there was a qt-specific thing being used instead. need to add network detection to a scope, which is written in vala, so hopefully the necessary bits we need for it to work, are already on the image
[14:48] <ogra_> ktz, brick history ?
[14:48] <ktz> ogra_, any device bricked?
[14:48] <tedg> lool, Think we could just parse the exec line with this?  https://developer.gnome.org/glib/stable/glib-Shell-related-Utilities.html#g-shell-unquote
[14:48] <anders3408> sforshee: here is what input-events tells :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6145812/
[14:48] <ogra_> dobey, i think you might have to go through  Qt for that ... not sure
[14:48] <om26er> fginther, people said failures were more on mako
[14:49] <popey> sergiusens: is there a plan (and resource) to click-ify all the remaining core apps before 1.0?
[14:50] <anders3408> haha sforshee no matter which /dev/input/eventX i choose it will always point me to event0
[14:50] <ogra_> popey, if you can convince people to re-write their tests for readonly and click ...
[14:50] <cjwatson> I thought per last week's call there was explicitly a plan not to clickify anything that wasn't already done
[14:50] <dobey> ogra_: worst case we'd have to listen to dbus signals directly i guess and re-implement some of what libnm does already
[14:50] <cwayne> Laney, it looks like it's also trying to open /dev/urandom?
[14:50] <jdstrand> jasoncwarner: hey, what is "Content Hub - Support for confined apps" on the landing pipeline ask page? asac and I aren't too clear on it. I can say that last week I worked with kenvandine to test it all from an apps perspective and we have apparmor policy groups in the archive now for it
[14:50] <dobey> but i hope not
[14:50] <fginther> om26er, the tests aren't passing on x86: http://10.97.2.10:8080/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-saucy/178/console
[14:50] <Laney> cwayne: I can't write to that file
[14:50] <cwayne> Laney, mount -o rw,remount / then write to it, then reboot
[14:51] <Laney> that works?
[14:51] <om26er> fginther, that looks rather suspicious probably a configuration problem there, because all the tests are failing
[14:51] <sforshee> anders3408: that's correct then. Then if powerd isn't getting the events or is getting the wrong key code I have to think the problem is either in the android part or in libhybris.
[14:51] <ogra_> dobey, well, i dont know if the shell runs under any kind of confinement (or is planned to) ... then you would have to talk to the security team to be allowed to access bits and pieces in the system
[14:51] <jdstrand> jasoncwarner: so I think all that's left for apps is the qml bits-- which I believe are written, but I don't the status of their landing
[14:51] <cwayne> Laney, yea
[14:51] <om26er> fginther, that looks more like a crash
[14:51] <daker> oSoMoN: i'll fixed them one by one since they all have edits on the same file https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/webbrowser-app/fix.1212980/+merge/185932
[14:51] <om26er> fginther, ProcessSearchError: Process exited with exit code: 1
[14:52] <oSoMoN> daker: yeah, unfortunately it’ll have to be one by one
[14:52] <anders3408> sforshee:  no logs whatsoever named is writting anything when i press the pwrkey :)
[14:52] <davmor2> cwayne: why do that, just do touch /userdata/.writable_image and reboot
[14:52] <om26er> or the "app" didn't appear at all rather i.e. didn't start
[14:52] <anders3408> libhybris ?  sforshee ?
[14:52] <cwayne> davmor2, because we're testing making paths writable
[14:52] <sforshee> anders3408: just to check, maybe try uncommenting POWERD_DEBUG=1 in /etc/init/powerd.conf, restart powerd, and see if it prints anything when you press the power button
[14:52] <cwayne> so we still want a R/O image, we just want to be able to write to that one file temporarily
[14:52] <popey> ogra_: que?
[14:52] <davmor2> cwayne: ah okay
[14:53] <anders3408> im on  the R/O images
[14:53] <sforshee> anders3408: you'll be looking for "power button pressed" in /var/log/syslog
[14:53] <ogra_> popey, the existing tests dont work with click and readonly setups
[14:53] <sforshee> anders3408: mount -o remount,rw /
[14:53] <ogra_> popey, we can only turn them into click if the tests are migrated at the same time
[14:53] <sergiusens> popey, which ones are _all_ the core apps? It
[14:53] <sergiusens> popey, It's a constant debate btw
[14:54] <anders3408> sforshee:  cant save the file after edit with nano , i did remount
[14:54] <sergiusens> cjwatson, it's going back and forth
[14:54] <popey> sergiusens: the ones listed at CoreApps on the wiki.
[14:54] <sergiusens> popey, those are already done, they are just not in the image
[14:54] <popey> sergiusens: after we release, it would be great if devs could update their apps via the store.
[14:54] <popey> sergiusens: so we can add functionality or fix bugs or whatever
[14:55] <sergiusens> popey, I know... you don't need to convince me
[14:55] <popey> Who do I need to convince?
[14:55] <sergiusens> popey, everyone on the top
[14:55] <asac> dholbach: hi ... can you coordinated in #ubuntu-ci-eng about core apps sponsoring/uploads? thanks
[14:56] <sergiusens> popey, you can grab them and test them from here btw http://10.97.2.10:8080/view/click/?
[14:56] <popey> sergiusens: thanks
[14:56] <ogra_> popey, the current app tests are all we have atm ... asac will die if we just drop them all
[14:56] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: i think i addressed all your comments in the MR except one. i can't seem to be able to make QQmlParserStatus work. I'm following everything according to documentation but I'm told the interface doesn't exist by automoc. There might be some big of cmake black magic I'm not aware of to make that work, but I can't find what it is. Branch here, see last commit: lp~amanzi-team/libusermetrics/metrics-qml-parser-st
[14:56] <nerochiaro> atus
[14:56] <timppa> Anyone know if there is a bug open on "dialer" when user is busy ubuntu touch does not inform user in any way, call just gets disconnected
[14:56] <popey> timppa: yes
[14:56] <anders3408> sforshee:  how do i restart powerd ?
[14:56] <timppa> ok
[14:56] <sforshee> anders3408: service powerd restart
[14:56] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: i mean lp:~amanzi-team/libusermetrics/metrics-qml-parser-status
[14:57] <popey> timppa: bug 1227691
[14:57] <anders3408> dafuq :O  ? now pwrkey working :D
[14:57] <anders3408> well almost :) it blanks the display but it doenst power the backligt off :)
[14:59] <sforshee> anders3408: maybe there's some kind of race on boot up. Perhaps something like powerd comes up before whatever needs to be ready on the android side for powerd to get the input events, so it fails and powerd never gets them. ogra_, is that possible?
[14:59] <mhall119> lool: ping
[14:59] <ogra_> sforshee, hmm, i thought we made powerd depends on the android event
[14:59] <sforshee> ogra_: I'm pretty sure we did
[14:59] <ogra_> sforshee, that is only issued if the container is up for sure
[15:00] <lool> mhall119: about to go in a meeting, whatsup?
[15:00] <anders3408> mhall119:  is my find5 on its way :)
[15:00] <mhall119> lool: hey, I've been asked to try and get some packages into the Touch seeds, what's the process for that now?
[15:00] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: have you seen the comments in https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/libusermetrics/metrics-qml-bindings/+merge/187001/comments/426462 ?
[15:00] <anders3408> sforshee: ogra_ here is some lines from syslog
[15:01] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: no, i'm on the case
[15:01] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: didn't notice the extra comments
[15:02] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: :) thanks for being so responsive to the comments
[15:02] <anders3408> sforshee: ogra_ a dirty fix would be restarting: service powerd restart from an init.d script :9
[15:02] <anders3408> :)
[15:02] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: getting this merged or at least close to it is my priority for today :)
[15:03] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: but i think i will need some help with that problem with the interface i mentioned before
[15:03] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: I'm looking at it now
[15:04] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: thanks, much appreciated
[15:04] <lool> mhall119: add a landing ask in spreadsheet for getting the change in, prepare the seed change, if you get greenlight update seeds + update meta   :-)
[15:04] <oSoMoN> bfiller: I just pushed a change to the contextual-menus branch to give more importance to hyperlinks, it should replicate android’s behaviou
[15:04] <oSoMoN> r
[15:05] <anders3408> uhm need to go :) coming back in a few hours :)
[15:06] <mhall119> lool: can you link me to the spreadsheet?
[15:06] <mhall119> lool: also, can I have more than one thing being added per task?
[15:10] <om26er> fginther, I think the version of UIToolkit that fixed autopilot tests is not yet released (?)
[15:10] <fginther> om26er, but aren't we dealing with UIToolkit test failures?
[15:11] <fginther> om26er, wouldn't that be using the latest?
[15:11] <bfiller> oSoMoN: thanks
[15:11] <fginther> om26er, or are you referring to something else?
[15:12] <anders3408|afk> ogra_:  sforshee just a quick question : when powering of display by pwrkey , the backlight remains on. is that casued by powerd doesnt get info about backlight ? im unable to find where it can get the backlight values
[15:12] <anders3408|afk> like chmod 0666 /sys/class/backlight/panel/brightness
[15:12] <anders3408|afk> sys/class/backlight/panel/brightness  doenst exssit ...
[15:12] <om26er> fginther, right, I might be confusing things then.
[15:12] <oSoMoN> bfiller: and regarding the paste option in the address bar, I’ve just tested and I’ve been able to copy a link and paste it into the address bar, I wasn’t seeing the option before because the clipboard was empty
[15:13] <bfiller> oSoMoN: ok good
[15:13] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: do i undestand correctly that the instances of MetricManager that I get from getInstance need to be deleted by me ?
[15:13] <AskUbuntu> Do I need to install Apache and PHP/Java to develop Web Apps in Ubuntu touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/349075
[15:13] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: yes, I'm just saying you should stuff the thing into a sharedpointer and keep hold of that in a member variable
[15:13] <lool> mhall119: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdGNWb0tTVmJLVzFZd0doV3dVOGpWemc#gid=1
[15:14] <lool> mhall119: add at the bottom, we will add another entry in the first sheet
[15:14] <lool> mhall119: you can land multiple packags at once if it makes sense to group them
[15:14] <lool> mhall119: e.g. similar change across many apps
[15:14] <jdstrand> stgraber: hey, what is the status of bug #1215092?
[15:15] <anders3408|afk> need to have a new look at that damn display driver again
[15:15] <mhall119> lool: thanks
[15:17] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: ok, sounds good
[15:17] <bfiller> salem_: regarding the history-service bug you fixed about messages not appearing after you delete a converstation..
[15:18] <sforshee> anders3408|afk: I'm guessing that you have nothing in /sys/class/backlight and android probably uses something under /sys/class/leds
[15:18] <bfiller> salem_: does the fix require creating a new history db or should it work with an existing database where a conversation has been deleted?
[15:18] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: I think I've found your build problem, you haven't added Qml to your include path
[15:18] <bfiller> salem_: this could be the issue jono is reporting
[15:18] <pete-woods> find_package(Qt5Qml REQUIRED)
[15:18] <pete-woods> include_directories(${Qt5Qml_INCLUDE_DIRS})
[15:18] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: add that to the top level CMakeLists.txt
[15:18] <salem_> bfiller, that should work on existing db's too.
[15:19] <salem_> bfiller, that fix was already released, right?
[15:19] <bfiller> salem_: I believe so, let me double check
[15:19] <salem_> bfiller, otherwise that could be the problem
[15:19] <sforshee> anders3408|afk: if so, lp:~sforshee/powerd/backlight-settings will probably get it working. I don't know when ChickenCutlass and co. plan to merge that or something similar.
[15:20] <bfiller> salem_: it was released
[15:20] <cwayne> Laney, oddly enough, doing gdbus introspect --system --dest org.freedesktop.timedate1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/timedate1 gives back 'Europe/London' now
[15:20] <salem_> bfiller, but, the way he describes the issue sounds like a different one.
[15:21] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: also, please make sure you have no compiler warnings when you've finished, I'll check for that before approving the MR
[15:21] <Laney> cwayne: It must have internal state
[15:21] <mhall119> lool: can I get write access to that spreadsheet please?
[15:21] <Laney> if you call it again with the same arguments it appears to succeed
[15:21] <bfiller> salem_: must be
[15:22] <salem_> bfiller, there is an issue when history-service starts. It's not logging existing telepathy channels. I discussed with boiko already and we will look into that soon.
[15:22] <cwayne> Laney, but it never sets /etc/timezone
[15:22] <Laney> correct
[15:22] <cwayne> or /etc/localtime
[15:24] <bfiller> salem_: in what case would there be existing channels when it starts?  shouldh history-service be started by upstart perhaps on boot?
[15:24] <cwayne> Laney, strace also isn't giving me too much info..
[15:24] <salem_> bfiller, when history-service crashes
[15:25] <om26er> fginther, so I think the first starting point at fixing the problems of failing tests on touch devices during MRs is to get a stable internet on those devices. most of the times tests fail because internet was not working
[15:25] <salem_> bfiller, it will be relaunched on incoming messages, but if the telepathy channel for that given number is still active, new messages in that channel wont be logged.
[15:26] <bfiller> salem_: I see. Do we know why it's crashing in the first place?
[15:26] <mhall119> pmcgowan: how does the UI/doc freeze impact Touch development? Are we frozen too or can we continue on as before?
[15:27] <pmcgowan> mhall119, thats a good question, we discussed Friday and I think for the most part we can continue, although we should not be changing much UI now prior to 13.10
[15:27] <Laney> cwayne: symlink("../usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin", "/etc/.localtime4e49606a750b8c2c") = -1 EROFS (Read-only file system)
[15:28] <cwayne> ugh
[15:28] <cwayne> Laney, i wonder if we can use wildcards in writable-paths
[15:28] <cwayne> my first guess would be no
[15:29] <Laney> doubt it
[15:29] <salem_> bfiller, hard to tell. it shouldn't happen, but perhaps his db was in an inconsistent state (just guessing). if that was really the case, we will need to ask more info on how to reproduce the crash.
[15:29] <cwayne> Laney, also don't understand why that didn't show up for me..
[15:30] <Laney> cwayne: I suggested -e trace=open
[15:30] <Laney> did you use that?
[15:30] <mfisch> mhr3: ping
[15:30] <cwayne> Laney, yes
[15:30] <cjwatson> Wildcards> not unless you invent a wildcard mount :-)
[15:30] <Laney> that'll have filtered it out
[15:30] <mhr3> mfisch, pong
[15:30] <cwayne> Laney, well there we go then
[15:30] <salem_> bfiller, that's why I asked about a previous text from/to the same user. that would probably indicate a crash in the history-service
[15:30] <mhall119> jfunk: ping
[15:30] <mfisch> mhr3: we're having some issues with the music and videos scope not starting sometimes
[15:30] <Laney> anyway, now we know
[15:30] <Laney> how can we fix this?
[15:30] <jfunk> mhall119, pong
[15:31] <mhall119> jfunk: how's the avengers work going?
[15:31] <mhr3> mfisch, not even the "Music" header shows up?
[15:31] <mfisch> mhr3: right thats the failure case
[15:31] <mhr3> mfisch, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1229144
[15:31] <cwayne> Laney, good question.  i asume that .localtime<whatever> is just a temp file.. what if we can get that dbus method to put that file in /tmp instead of /etc
[15:32] <mfisch> mhr3: any workaround, even a hack that I can use for today?
[15:32] <cjwatson> cwayne: No, that won't work
[15:32] <mhr3> mfisch, keep restarting
[15:32] <mhr3> it's some race
[15:32] <mfisch> mhr3: can I restart them without a reboot?
[15:32] <mhr3> you can just kill unity8
[15:32] <mfisch> mhr3: howabout a sleep call somewhere in an upstart job?
[15:32] <cjwatson> cwayne: The point of the .localtimeblah file is so that it can be renamed into place (which you can only do if it's on the same filesystem) - and the reason to do it that way is so that there's no window where /etc/localtime is missing
[15:33] <mhr3> mfisch, it's an internal unity thing
[15:33] <lool> mhall119: I've pinged asac to give you access
[15:33] <sergiusens> jdstrand, hey, just found a smallish issue ... aa-exec doesn't use relative paths
[15:33] <cjwatson> cwayne: Because there's no other way to overwrite a symlink atomically
[15:33] <mfisch> mhr3: okay, we have a demo today so if you guys have a fix I'd love to test it
[15:33] <mhall119> thanks lool
[15:33] <cwayne> cjwatson, that seems like a problem.. how can we possibly ensure .localtime<blah> is writable?
[15:33] <mhr3> mfisch, unlikely :(
[15:34] <mfisch> mhr3: okay, well we consider it critical rather than high, but I'm sure you have lots of those issues
[15:34] <mhr3> mfisch, i had some luck with changing async to false in DashContent.qml
[15:34] <sergiusens> jdstrand, so if my Exec line is not qmlscene or something in PATH, I miss out on launching... unless I add ./ in the Exec line, but is that the way to solve this?
[15:34] <cwayne> cjwatson, can we at least override it to make it .localtime-new or something?
[15:34] <cjwatson> cwayne,Laney: Short of making all of /etc writeable, which won't fly, the only solution I can think of is to fall back to tolerating /etc/localtime being missing for a short time - so if we get EROFS here, instead unlink() and symlink()
[15:34] <mhr3> mfisch, it either works or locks up the entire shell...
[15:34] <cjwatson> cwayne: Missing the point
[15:34] <jfunk> mhall119, it's a lot to sort through and make use of, but if you mean are we finding bugs, then yes - I'm putting together a report today that attempts to make use of the defects from the avengers
[15:34] <mhr3> mfisch, so ehm, you can try :)
[15:34] <mfisch> mhr3: doesn't sound promising, we'll reboot until it works and not reboot again
[15:35] <mhall119> jfunk: I know we're finding them, I was asking how the process of getting them fixed by Oct 17th was going
[15:35] <cjwatson> cwayne: No matter what the other filename is it would be on a different fs - or, failing that, you'd end up with the problem of trying to rename a mount
[15:35] <cjwatson> cwayne: In short, fiddling with the temporary filename isn't going to help you
[15:35] <cwayne> cjwatson, ok, so how can we fall back to tolerating a missing /etc/localtime?
[15:35] <cjwatson> I just said
[15:35] <jfunk> mhall119, it's a little tricky, my plan is to take the ones that look critical and report them to the engineering managers - also to continue to follow them until they are 'fixed commited'
[15:35] <cjwatson> 16:34 <cwayne> cjwatson, can we at least override it to make it .localtime-new or something?
[15:36] <cjwatson> er
[15:36] <cjwatson> 16:34 <cjwatson> cwayne,Laney: Short of making all of /etc writeable, which won't fly, the only solution I can think of is to fall back to tolerating /etc/localtime being missing for a short time - so if we get EROFS here, instead unlink() and symlink()
[15:36] <cjwatson> in pseudocode, try: symlink() rename() except EROFS: unlink() symlink()
[15:36] <jdstrand> sergiusens: the thing doing the launches does a chdir(install_dir). it could also in theory add install_dir to the PATH. you can file a bug against upstart-app-launch and aa-exec-click for this. I'd need to discuss it with my team, but I think that would be fine
[15:36] <jdstrand> sergiusens: s/aa-exec-click/click-apparmor/
[15:36] <sergiusens> jdstrand, upstart app launch actually works
[15:36] <jfunk> mhall119, the development team is working on a few of them already
[15:36] <cjwatson> I can't think of any better solution within the available VFS interfaces
[15:36] <sergiusens> jdstrand, it's unity8 and launching from .local/share/applications
[15:37] <Laney> Yeah, me neither, thanks
[15:37] <jfunk> mhall119, if you have a short list of defects you think are critical I'd be interested to look at it  :)
[15:37] <Laney> I'll go talk to pitti
[15:37] <jfunk> mhall119, or if you had something else in mind let me know
[15:37] <mhall119> jfunk: I only have a long list :)  Do we know what can/will get done before the 17th?
[15:37] <jdstrand> sergiusens: then that would be against click-apparmor. however, I don't think upstart-app-launch is appending to PATH. if you file the bug, I can investigate
[15:38] <sergiusens> jdstrand, great thanks
[15:38] <stgraber> jdstrand: hopefully will be done this week (I'm off today though)
[15:38] <jfunk> mhall119, that's a broad question, we're hoping to land most of the features that aren't in this week and spend the remaining 2 weeks doing bug fixes
[15:38] <sergiusens> jdstrand, I just saw a couple of click packages from the store using Exec=./my_app in they're desktops to overcome this btw
[15:38] <jfunk> that's my understanding anyway
[15:38] <cwayne> Laney, shall i still add /etc/adjtime to my MR? we'll still need at least timezone and localtime writable still
[15:38] <Laney> cwayne: yes, that is needed
[15:39] <mhall119> popey: dpm: the uDraw app has a capital letter in the package name, I think that's preventing it from installing
[15:39] <jfunk> tho lots of bug fixes are going in daily as well
[15:39] <cjwatson> cwayne,Laney: Oh, wait, it's worse
[15:39] <cjwatson> You almost certainly can't unlink a mountpoint
[15:39] <mhall119> or at least from launching
[15:39] <cjwatson> Laney: I think we might need to make /etc/localtime a symlink to another symlink within a writeable directory, and do the symlink(); rename() dance within that directory
[15:39] <cjwatson> That would actually work
[15:40] <cjwatson> But you'll have to whack-a-mole anything that thinks it knows how to write to /etc/localtime
[15:40] <jdstrand> sergiusens: they would have to, yes
[15:41] <mhall119> hmmm, no click-installed apps will launch on my Nexus 7
[15:41] <jdstrand> sergiusens: actually, click-apparmor can't fix this
[15:41] <cjwatson> mhall119: Old apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu?
[15:41] <mhall119> cjwatson: I ran "phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup" this morning
[15:42] <mhall119> an app I can install and run fine on my phone, will install but not run (I get a black screen) on my N7
[15:42] <cjwatson> mhall119: What version of apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu do you have installed?
[15:42] <cjwatson> mhall119: I'm fairly sure a new image hasn't been promoted since this was fixed
[15:42] <jdstrand> sergiusens: it has to be the thing doing the launching to append to PATH. aa-exec-click could append '.', but that is quite uncool
[15:43] <mhall119> cjwatson: 1.0.31
[15:43] <jdstrand> sergiusens: in other words, by the time aa-exec-click is called, the chdir and the PATH adjustment should have already happened
[15:43] <cjwatson> mhall119: This was fixed in 1.0.32
[15:43] <mhall119> ok
[15:44] <mhall119> wonder why my phone is okay
[15:44] <sergiusens> jdstrand, instead of adding ./ to running I can also setup env from Exec
[15:44] <sergiusens> jdstrand, unless you reset PATH for security reasons
[15:45] <sergiusens> jdstrand, so it might as well be a unity8 bug if the launching entity needs to make the adjustments
[15:45] <sergiusens> sounds reasonable
[15:45] <jdstrand> sergiusens: we aren't resetting PATH cause the sandbox blocks all those accesses anyway, but setting env in the Exec line feels very wrong
[15:46] <jdstrand> I think it is a unity8 bug
[15:46] <mhall119> cjwatson: I'm seeing a bunch of GL errors in unity8.log when trying to run this app on the N7
[15:46] <sergiusens> jdstrand, might as well be since upstart app gets it right
[15:47] <jdstrand> mhall119: the bug was grouper specific
[15:47] <mhall119> cjwatson: is that expected if the problem is apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu?
[15:47] <mhall119> jdstrand: ah, ok
[15:47] <sergiusens> jdstrand, I did log the bug here though https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click-apparmor/+bug/1229253
[15:47] <jdstrand> mhall119: it had to do with a device-specific access
[15:47] <mhall119> jdstrand: cjwatson: so would the fix be in daily-proposed channel for grouper ubuntu-system images?
[15:48] <cwayne> Laney, updated my MR with adjtime.  In the meantime, if this makes it in then the phablet-config script will at least be able to change user's timezone
[15:48] <nerochiaro> gusch: hi, when you have some time can you please start having a look at this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/camera-app/camera-app-qml-metrics/+merge/187056 ?
[15:48] <mhall119> or do I just need to put it down and be patient
[15:48] <nerochiaro> gusch: it is making the code to send the user metrics simpler by using the new QML bindings (which are in the process of being approved)
[15:49] <cwayne> stgraber, ping
[15:49] <jdstrand> mhall119: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/current-vs-pending/20130921.changes
[15:50] <jdstrand> [15:50] <jdstrand> apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu from 1.0.31 to 1.0.33
[15:50] <mhall119> thanks jdstrand
[15:51] <gusch> nerochiaro: ok
[15:51] <cyphermox> awe_: sergiusens: as I was saying in the standup; http://paste.ubuntu.com/6146023/ for review before I upload
[15:51] <awe_> cyphermox, ack
[15:51] <cjwatson> mhall119: Yes, that's the expected failure
[15:52] <cjwatson> mhall119: Your phone is OK because this is a grouper-specific problem
[15:52]  * mhall119 flashes daily-proposed
[15:52] <mhall119> cjwatson: thanks
[15:54] <dpm> mhall119, ah, bummer. Any other ones you've noticed don't install/run apart from that, skimbou and ramsamsam reader?
[15:54] <sergiusens> Saviq, can you see if this is assignable to unity8? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click-apparmor/+bug/1229253
[15:55] <oSoMoN> om26er: I answered your comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/fix-ap-activity-view/+merge/187038
[15:55] <mhall119> dpm: I haven't tried that many
[15:55] <Saviq> sergiusens, we'll be going through upstart-app-launch very soon anyway
[15:55] <Saviq> greyback_, ↑↑
[15:55] <jdstrand> sergiusens: oh
[15:55] <mhall119> dholbach: doesn't the review script check for upper-case package names?
[15:56] <dholbach> mhall119, I would need to check the source
[15:56] <jdstrand> sergiusens: well, that particular bug is going to be blocked by policy
[15:56] <om26er> oSoMoN, ah, right. I think I saw its usage in Is(Not) and that might have given me the impression there is something IsNot. approving
[15:56] <sergiusens> Saviq, can we define soon? This year has proven that that term is confusing :-)
[15:57] <greyback_> sergiusens: within this week
[15:57] <jdstrand> sergiusens: so there are two things going on in your bug-- it should be using qmlscene and not an executable shell script, and then unity8 can't find notes-app
[15:57]  * sergiusens took a stance at a joke
[15:57] <mhall119> ERROR:phablet-flash:local variable 'recovery_path' referenced before assignment
[15:57] <dholbach> mhall119, do you have a package I could test with? :)
[15:57] <mhall119> Removing directory /tmp/tmp1UBOk8
[15:57] <mhall119> that's twice today
[15:57] <sergiusens> jdstrand, if I don't use a script, how do I set the import dir?
[15:57] <mhall119> dholbach: uDraw in the click store now
[15:57] <dholbach> mhall119, ok cool
[15:58] <jdstrand> sergiusens: -I
[15:58] <ogra_> sergiusens, this year is the year of the liunux desktop (intel says)
[15:58] <sergiusens> jdstrand, right
[15:58] <sergiusens> jdstrand, thanks, I'll make that change
[15:58] <jdstrand> qmlscene -I .../dir .../....qml
[15:59] <mhall119> that's a lotta dots
[15:59] <jdstrand> it is :)
[15:59] <dholbach> mhall119, I think in the description and in the title it's allowed
[15:59] <dholbach> (and file names)
[15:59] <dholbach> mhall119, or do we run into any issues?
[15:59] <oSoMoN> om26er: thanks
[16:00] <mhall119> dholbach: how about the .desktop file?
[16:00] <mhall119> it's *technically* allowed according to the XDG spec, but Unity8 won't launch it if it has upper-case characters
[16:00] <dholbach> mhall119, I think that's OK too, but I'm not 100% sure - is it not executable?
[16:00] <dholbach> ah ok
[16:00] <mhr3> larsu, known? -> (process:21289): WARNING **: Unable to get a HUD proxy: Error calling StartServiceByName for com.canonical.hud: Timeout was reached
[16:00] <mhall119> somewhere in unity 8 is gets an all-lowercase version of the .desktop file name and it tries to find the file using that
[16:01] <mhr3> eh
[16:01] <mhr3> you don't do hud, do you?
[16:01] <mhr3> tedg, ^
[16:01] <mhr3> unity8 startup is blocked for 30seconds on the desktop
[16:01] <ogra_> mhr3, not only on the desktop :P
[16:02] <mhr3> "good"
[16:02] <ogra_> (try to stopwatch the time between google logo going away and unity showing up :) )
[16:02] <larsu> mhr3: no I don't :) you can try pete-woods as well
[16:03] <oSoMoN> om26er: FYI, in the testtools doc, they mention a custom IsNot matcher that you can define yourself if you use it a lot: http://testtools.readthedocs.org/en/latest/for-test-authors.html#not
[16:03] <tedg> Hmm, mhr3, anything in the hud log?  Seems it's failing to start.
[16:03] <mhr3> tedg, do we have a hud log on the desktop?
[16:03] <tedg> mhr3, ~/.cache/upstart/hud.log
[16:03] <om26er> oSoMoN, actually before commenting on your MR I came to the exact page and did see the keyword IsNot :)
[16:04] <mhr3> tedg, variant builder issues
[16:04] <oSoMoN> haha
[16:04] <mhr3> (process:3744): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_variant_builder_add_value: assertion '!GVSB(builder)->expected_type || g_variant_is_of_type (value, GVSB(builder)->expected_type)' failed
[16:04] <mhr3> etc
[16:04] <tedg> Uhg.
[16:05] <mhr3> don't know how old those are though... we should patch the glib logger to add a timestamp :P
[16:05] <mhr3> desrt ^ :)
[16:05] <tedg> mhr3, Any chance you want to do a G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals and get a stack trace?
[16:06] <lool> asac: it's easier here  :-)
[16:06] <lool> asac: mhall119 wanted to add some asks for some core apps
[16:06] <lool> asac: could you either give him write access or redirect him?  :-)
[16:07]  * cwayne needs write access as well
[16:07] <cwayne> or someone to post an ask for me :)
[16:07] <mhr3> tedg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6146097/
[16:07] <tedg> mhr3, No, that's a bamf error!  :-)
[16:08] <mhr3> you wanted fatal criticals :P
[16:08] <tedg> mhr3, Please crash correctly.
[16:08] <tedg> I don't have any BAMF errors in my log either...
[16:09] <jasoncwarner> kenvandine, jdstrand was asking about "content-hub - support for confined apps". Can you walk him through what that is?
[16:09] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/store_for_confined_apps/+merge/186838
[16:09] <kenvandine> jdstrand, it's that :)
[16:10] <kenvandine> still waiting for tvoss to review it
[16:12] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, tvoss is out, can anyone else do the review?
[16:14] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, when is he back?  he said he was doing it on friday
[16:14] <kenvandine> but never commented on it
[16:14] <kenvandine> i made some changes to the API he had defined, which i really think were needed, so wanted his review
[16:15] <kenvandine> gusch, could you review that?
[16:15] <mhr3> tedg, i broke it with trying to get a trace, now it works fine :/
[16:15] <gusch> kenvandine: ok
[16:15] <tedg> mhr3, Bummer.
[16:15] <kenvandine> gusch, thx
[16:15] <tedg> mhr3, Thanks for trying.
[16:19] <kenvandine> gusch, i had discussed most of those changes to with tvoss, so he should be fine with them
[16:19] <jdstrand> kenvandine: that doesn't change the apparmor policy, correct? (istr you saying it would not)
[16:19] <kenvandine> with the exception of the changes i made to the store class
[16:19] <kenvandine> jdstrand, nope
[16:19] <jdstrand> kenvandine: cool
[16:19] <kenvandine> jdstrand, it's all based on the stuff we talked about last week
[16:19] <jdstrand> kenvandine: thanks, I'll communicate this to asac too
[16:20] <kenvandine> thx jdstrand
[16:26] <dholbach> lool, looks like your fix is in trunk now? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-hackers/unity-scope-click/trunk
[16:32] <lool> dholbach: it's hte other way around
[16:32] <lool> dholbach: or actually, which one?
[16:32] <dholbach> oh, hum
[16:33] <lool> dholbach: what I uploaded is a cherry-pick from upstream bzr
[16:33] <lool> dholbach: upstream bzr was missing the merge proposal that you pointed at which is why bzr upstream and ubuntu got out of sync
[16:33] <lool> also jenkins-ci lacked commit access to fix this
[16:34] <lool> so now the remaining work is for alecu to commit the revert back (old mp) and check what the remaining delta is, if zero we're back in sync, if not zero we need to prepare an upload to get back in sync
[16:34] <asac> josepht: meeting? or not coming?
[16:34] <asac> cjohnston: ^^
[16:34] <asac> doanac: ^^
[16:34] <dholbach> lool, sorry
[16:35] <doanac> asac: i'm having hangout issues. rebooting
[16:36] <lool> dholbach: sorry for what?  trying to be helpful?
[16:36] <alecu> lool: I'm about to test the revert with the latest changes in trunk, and will merge it afterwards
[16:36] <lool> dholbach: you'd better apologize for tring to be helpful!   ;-)
[16:36] <cwayne> sergiusens, hey, did an MR ever go through enabling --revision on ubuntu-system?
[16:36] <kenvandine> tedg, any updates on when we might be able to raise existing instances of apps?
[16:36] <lool> dholbach: no reason to be sorry really  :-)   thanks for your help and pointing at the mp earlier, had forgotten about it
[16:37] <tedg> kenvandine, Working with greyback_ on that.
[16:37] <sergiusens> cwayne, it's supposed to be in
[16:37] <kenvandine> tedg, cool, thx
[16:37] <cwayne> sergiusens, awesome, i'll check it out, thanks
[16:38] <kenvandine> gusch, ^^
[16:38] <cwayne> sergiusens, also im assuming we're waiting on the lxc-android-config MR to go through before adding phablet-config in?
[16:38] <dholbach> alecu, thanks
[16:39] <sergiusens> cwayne, we are waiting for a landing of phablet-flash ...
[16:39] <sergiusens> cwayne, all these landings required retesting if something new comes in
[16:39] <cjohnston> asac network isnt good enough, if someone can call me in I'll join, otherwise, I'm outta luck
[16:42] <mhall119> jfunk: FYI, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1229287 is an avengers bug I just filed, but it is blocking our ability to test some of the Showdown apps on devices
[16:42] <olli> actually, Saviq, ping
[16:43]  * jfunk looks
[16:43] <jfunk> mhall119, ^
[16:43] <mhall119> thanks jfunk
[16:43] <mhall119> asac: ping
[16:44] <mhall119> bzoltan: ^^ that bug is in the SDK components and/or upstream Qt, so it probably requires work from your team to fix
[16:44] <jfunk> mhall119, can you put concrete steps to reproduce and a screenshot in please?
[16:45] <olli> ricmm, ping
[16:45] <jfunk> mhall119, see this wiki page for details - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting
[16:50] <mhall119> jfunk: updated with steps
[16:51] <jfunk> mhall119, thx
[16:51] <jfunk> no screenshot?
[16:51] <jfunk>    $ adb shell /system/bin/screencap /data/screenshot.png
[16:51] <jfunk>    $ adb pull /data/screenshot.png ~/screenshot.png
[16:52] <jfunk> mhall119, sry, I see you've got one
[16:53] <mhall119> yeah, already got that, there's just not much to see :)
[16:53] <dholbach> in the dialer-app, if I dial a number, the green call-button stays a dark green which probably means "can't make calls" - what do I do about it? :)
[16:53] <asac> cjohnston: ok.. .have fun
[16:54] <ogra_> mterry, cwayne, did you guys get anywhere with debugging the session bits ?
[16:55] <Saviq> olli, pong
[16:55] <bzoltan> bzoltan
[16:55] <mterry> ogra_, cwayne could not retrieve his machine until lunch.  cwayne any luck?
[16:55] <mterry> bzoltan, ooh you're around.  I've got a bug I'd like you to look at
[16:56] <mterry> bzoltan, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy-noaudioengine/+merge/185568
[16:56] <cwayne> mterry, i'm literally about to leave now to get it
[16:57] <bzoltan> mhall119: i do not know what that app tries to do. Will check
[16:57] <olli> Saviq, I became the default guilty person for Music/Video experience
[16:57] <mhall119> bzoltan: thanks, there were 3 apps listed that I think all are affected by the same thing, probably the Canvas component but I'm not sure
[16:58] <olli> was chatting with thostr_ earlier about missing pieces
[16:58] <olli> do you have an update for me on previews?
[16:58] <olli> Saviq, ^
[16:58] <bzoltan> mhall119: I recall some discussion about the Canvas components in Oakland... zsombi can tell more
[16:58] <mhall119> zsombi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1229287
[16:59] <Saviq> olli, mzanetti is doing swiping between previews, should be ready early tomorrow
[16:59] <mzanetti> I hope so, yes...
[16:59] <cwayne> pete-woods, hey, did you guys come up with a solution for the infographic thing?  i saw there was quite a bit of discussion in the mR
[16:59] <mzanetti> actually I hope today still... still fighting with an eaten mouse event
[16:59] <Saviq> olli, as for other previews, we have a movie preview in-review, paulliu is working on some general fixes based on bug #1224555
[16:59] <cwayne> daw, i have bad timing
[17:00] <Saviq> olli, and the last remaining one is music, which we'll get to this week
[17:01] <Saviq> olli, do you have anything in particular you'd want to know?
[17:04] <jono> anyone know how I change my time with a read-only image?
[17:05] <jono> system settings doesnt work and manually changing it via the terminal doesnt work
[17:05] <tedg> ricmm, Hey, so when an application is serialized and removed from memory, and then restarted.  Does any external process manage the resume, or is that all internal?
[17:05] <olli> Saviq, can we finish music previews this week for sure?
[17:05] <cjwatson> jono: cwayne and Laney were working on that earlier today
[17:05] <cjwatson> jono: I think the current answer is "you don't"
[17:06] <Laney> Well, I pinged pitti as he's the systemd guy
[17:06] <tedg> jono, UTC is called "Universal" for a reason.  You don't need to change it.
[17:06] <Laney> it's that and PK AFAIK
[17:07] <Saviq> olli, we didn't start it yet, but ok, will put a higher prio on it
[17:07] <lool> tedg: are you adding tests to the new upstart-app-launch parsing code?
[17:08] <tedg> lool, Not yet, fixing things from comments from security.
[17:08] <mhall119> jono: no way to change it that I've found, there should be an avengers bug filed already against system-settings
[17:09] <alecu> lool: I've tested the branch with the revert manually on my device, and now I'm running the unity8 autopilot suite on it. We are only missing PS Jenkins approval on the branch, but that seems to be taking a while today: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/unity-scope-click/revert-package-updates/+merge/187059
[17:09] <jono> ok thanks cjwatson, mhall119
[17:09] <jono> no thanks to tedg :-)
[17:09] <mhall119> jono: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1224787
[17:10] <cjwatson> jibel: Any progress on reproducing bug 1226595?
[17:11] <lool> tedg: ah cool, so you got this reviewed by security team?
[17:11] <lool> tedg: that's great cause I consdered pulling them in (but thought we should document things first); who did the review?
[17:11] <tedg> lool, Yeah, we changed from using aa-exec-click to doing it internally, so I thought we should.  Though, we're dropping that code now and going full upstart.
[17:12] <tedg> lool, I've been talking with jdstrand and mdeslaur about it.
[17:12] <lool> alecu: why a new mp?  are there code changes over the first one?
[17:12] <sergiusens> cjwatson, I think I can repro that one, but I only saw it in the first place because I was doing improper things (rm's in click's reserved space)
[17:12] <lool> alecu: could you mark the old one as rejected or smething?
[17:13] <cjwatson> sergiusens: I'm happy to investigate even in such cases, as a crash is an inelegant response; just need a recipe
[17:13] <lool> tedg: Right, i definitely wanted a review on the aa_set_profile() thing or whatever it's called
[17:13] <tedg> lool, Yeah, I'm removing that now. :-)
[17:13] <ssweeny> lool, ping
[17:13] <cjwatson> (hopefully once alecu's uninstall branch lands people should be less tempted to muck about by hand)
[17:14] <lool> ssweeny: empty ping detected
[17:14] <alecu> lool: sure, I'm marking the old one as rejected. The old one was never reviewed, and it was missing the latest changes in trunk.
[17:14] <ssweeny> lool, hey, we have a small fix in ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks. can you please upload it?
[17:14] <alecu> lool: I made a new one after mergeing with trunk and making sure nothing was broken.
[17:16] <lool> alecu: note that it wouldn't revert back to the old trunk if you had merged the old mp, it would only have merged the revert commit on top of current trunk
[17:16] <lool> alecu: so technically you probably just had to top approve the old mp, unless new conflicts came up
[17:16] <lool> alecu: anyway, too late now
[17:18] <alecu> lool: right. I also renamed it before pushing because the old name (revert-last-commit) did not make sense any longer
[17:19] <alecu> ok, the new one has the jenkins approval, so I'm setting it to "Approved" now.
[17:20] <attente> tmoenicke, hi
[17:20] <mterry> mzanetti, do you know much about how the OSK is integrated in unity8?
[17:21] <mzanetti> mterry: not really, no. greyback_ does I think
[17:21]  * mterry looks at greyback_ hopefully
[17:23] <lool> alecu_errands: get someone else to review your branch submissions  :-)
[17:24] <alecu_errands> ack
[17:24] <nerochiaro> om26er: not really, you should please talk to asac. as i said they never happened on my phone. he told me to look at the status of tests on jenkins and notice how the notes app are often failing randomly. also to keep running them on a loop on my phone until i would get failures
[17:27] <jibel> cjwatson, no, I cannot reproduce it.
[17:30] <greyback_> mterry: I do
[17:31] <mterry> greyback_, hello!  I'm helping Cimi with the first-boot wizard, and it will need the OSK for one part.
[17:32] <mterry> greyback_, but it's not coming up.  Do I need to do something special to trigger it when a user focuses a text box?
[17:32] <cwayne> mterry, ping
[17:32] <mterry> cwayne, hi
[17:32] <cwayne> i got my maguro back, flashing devel-proposed on it now
[17:32] <mterry> cwayne, awesome
[17:32] <cwayne> mterry, sorry for the wait, it was kinda shenanigans
[17:33] <lool> mfisch, ssweeny: Added entry in Landing plan for ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks; it
[17:33] <lool> mfisch, ssweeny: I'll upload soon
[17:34] <mfisch> thanks
[17:34] <lool> mfisch, ssweeny: ISTR we discussed putting this under CI autolanding; would you mind bring that up with Didier in email?  this would make landings much easier, could have reviewers when merging, tests, .debs built out of them etc.
[17:34] <nerochiaro> om26er: let's talk about it tomorrow when he's around too
[17:34] <mfisch> lool: okay, I'll bring it up again
[17:34] <nerochiaro> om26er: i'm going off for today anyway
[17:34] <ssweeny> lool, thanks
[17:35] <greyback_> mterry: what would you like to know?
[17:35] <mterry> greyback_, well do I need to do something special to trigger the OSK when a user focuses a text box?
[17:36] <sergiusens> popey, if you are giving these a test, can you do it like this? http://pad.ubuntu.com/click-move
[17:36] <om26er> nerochiaro, ack
[17:36] <lool> ssweeny, mfisch: Uploaded
[17:36] <ssweeny> lool, awesome, thanks!
[17:36] <lool> next image is likely tomorrow
[17:36] <lool> next image build
[17:37] <popey> sergiusens: sure
[17:37] <greyback_> mterry: (sorry my wifi breaking down): is the first boot wizard part of unity? This with SF or Mir?
[17:37] <sergiusens> popey, thanks
[17:37] <popey> np
[17:38] <mterry> greyback_, it's not part of unity, a separate executable
[17:38] <mterry> greyback_, SF or Mir I guess...  Maybe I'll need both instructions
[17:39] <sergiusens> popey, music app requires the grilo declarative stuff to be installed (among others) if you see any other issue please tell me, the grillo one is already req on https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy/+merge/186803
[17:39] <greyback_> mterry: well let's work with SF for now. Check if the maliit-server process is running first (it should be).
[17:39] <cwayne> lool, i don't suppose you could add an item to the landing plan/asks for me?
[17:40] <greyback_> mterry: then check, if you tap the text box, does it get a flashing cursor (it should)?
[17:40] <popey> sergiusens: will do
[17:41] <mterry> greyback_, ah...  maliit-server isn't starting.  Because it starts on starting unity8 and I'm running this before then
[17:43] <ogra_> cwayne, devel-ptoposed -> you want to downgrade to the former ubuntu-touch-session package then ... the current devel-proposed image has it all backed oout
[17:43] <greyback_> mterry: ok. That's related to a recent change of mine, where with unity on mir, I needed the OSK to appear after unity had started
[17:43] <cwayne> ogra_, agh, should i do just daily then instead?
[17:43] <cwayne> or just downgrade ubuntu-touch-session
[17:44] <mterry> greyback_, hmm..  for this specific need of the welcome screen, should I stop maliit after I'm done, if the session needs it to start after unity8?
[17:44] <ogra_> cwayne, the latter sgould do
[17:44] <cwayne> ogra_, what version would i need?  i can just apt-get install ubuntu-touch-session=whatever right?
[17:45] <greyback_> mterry: I guess the maliit-server upstart job needs modifying to start on unity8 or that first-boot wizard
[17:45] <greyback_> mterry: else need Mir to support clients starting before the server starts
[17:46] <ogra_> cwayne, should work ... 0.72 is what broke so heavily
[17:46] <greyback_> sodding wifi
 mterry: ok. That's related to a recent change of mine, where with unity on mir, I needed the OSK to appear after unity had started
 mterry: I guess the maliit-server upstart job needs modifying to start on unity8 or that first-boot wizard
 mterry: else need Mir to support clients starting before the server starts
[17:46] <greyback_> which is unlikely :)
[17:46] <cwayne> ogra_, awesome, ill give it a shot, thanks
[17:47] <asac> ogra_: popey: is 60 good for using?
[17:47] <ogra_> asac, gimme 20min to download :)
[17:47] <asac> ok
[17:47] <ogra_> davmor2, ^^ do you by chance run 60 already ?
[17:48] <ogra_> (in case thats quicker)
[17:48] <cwayne> does the maguro generally take WAY longer to install?
[17:48] <ogra_> yes
[17:48] <ogra_> especially with system image
[17:48] <ogra_> xz uncompressing is highly \cpu bound
[17:48] <cwayne> ah right, of course
[17:48] <ogra_> half the cpu power ... half the speed
[17:49] <davmor2> ogra_: I have 60 on,  I haven't tried it yet what did you want to know?
[17:49] <popey> asac: ogra_ 60 is good on mako
[17:50] <mterry> greyback_, sorry, may have missed your reply
[17:50] <mterry> "greyback_, well, if it starts on first-boot-wizard, will it need to be restarted for unity8?"
[17:51] <lool> cwayne: best to ask someone in your team with write access and/or ask on #ubuntu-ci-eng
[17:51] <ogra_> davmor2, calls, sms, speakerphone, mute in calls it what i test in both directions
[17:51] <cwayne> lool, nobody on my team has write access, but i'll ask in the other channel
[17:52]  * ogra_ thinks it took more time to get the paperwork for cwayne's fix sorted than to actually create the debdiff 
[17:52] <greyback_> mterry: now I'm confused. How can an application come up before a mir server has?
[17:52] <ogra_> cwayne, i'll add it
[17:52] <greyback_> mterry: (taking the unity-on-mir case)
[17:52] <mterry> greyback_, well, in SF world, it's easy
[17:52] <asac> Saviq: hey
[17:52] <asac> Saviq: so on the unity crash bug, can you please coordinate with thostr and friends (he said pawel is full time on it)
[17:53] <asac> Saviq: seems they believe that are working on a fix, while you still debate that its unreproducible
[17:53] <mterry> greyback_, in Mir world, this application will probably just talk to USC directly.  It doesn't have sub clients
[17:53] <greyback_> mterry: but we'll be switching away from the SF world fairly soon
[17:53] <davmor2> ogra_: the mute is odd, in that it mutes the sound going to the other phone but reverbs on the ubuntu touch device with the loud speaker enabled
[17:53] <greyback_> mterry: which means the OSK will need to be a client of the USC also
[17:53] <mterry> greyback_, ah hmm, didn't know it was implemented like that
[17:53] <mterry> greyback_, well, could make this guy a server too...
[17:54] <greyback_> mterry: problem remains that we'll have to stop and restart the OSK when the dominant mir server changes
[17:55] <greyback_> unless Mir was smart enough to manage that, re-associate an old client with a new server...
[17:55] <cwayne> ogra_, thanks :)
[17:55] <ogra_> cwayne, added to "landing asks"
[17:55] <ogra_> i'll take care for the rest
[17:55] <cwayne> ogra_, thanks a lot, appreciate it
[17:55] <greyback_> mterry: with USC, you'll need OSK for ppl to enter passwords, no? Say for tablet?
[17:55] <cwayne> gah crap, ubuntu-touch-session version 0.72 not found
[17:58] <ogra_> cwayne, oh, sorry
[17:58] <ogra_> cwayne, 0.71
[17:58] <ogra_> 2 was FTBFS ... i forgot about that version jump :)
[17:58] <ogra_> *72
[18:01] <asac> mterry: ogra_: any leads/ideas yet on the lightdm thingy?
[18:02] <ogra_> asac, cwayne just started testing ... mterry doesnt have a device to debug
[18:03] <asac> ok
[18:03] <asac> ogra_: there should be a maguro somewhere in the lexington office for mterry
[18:03] <AskUbuntu> install ubuntu on evertek phones | http://askubuntu.com/q/349179
[18:03] <asac> ChickenCutlass: ^^ do you know if any maguro might be floating around there?
[18:03] <asac> maybe someone else has one to lend to mterry?
[18:03] <ChickenCutlass> asac, I do not know of any extra phones
[18:04] <asac> ChickenCutlass: noone who could be in the office during days has a maguro?
[18:04] <asac> :)
[18:04] <ChickenCutlass> asac, I know bfiller has one.  He could probably borrow for a few hours
[18:04] <ogra_> just rip one out of the lab, who needs these anyway
[18:05] <mterry> cwayne, any luck?
[18:06] <mterry> asac, oh really?
[18:07] <mterry> well, if we can't solve with cwayne's phone today, I'll hop into the office tomorrow
[18:08] <anders3408> ogra_:  found correct path for brigness :) /sys/class/leds/lcd-backlight/brigtness , adding that would that infect that when i press pwrkey, it doesnt shuts off the lcd backlight ?
[18:10] <cwayne> mterry, what is the error im supposed to be seeing?
[18:10] <mterry> cwayne, well, you need to add my lightdm special sauce
[18:10] <cwayne> i've got ubuntu-touch-session 0.71
[18:10] <cwayne> ah
[18:11] <cwayne> mterry, ok, well i have 0.71, now what?
[18:12] <asac> mterry: thanks... check that bfiller also comes along
[18:13] <asac> bfiller: in case mterry cannot nail down the maguro lightdm issue today... would you be able to meet him in the office tomorrow? :)
[18:13] <bfiller> asac, mterry : I do have a galaxy nexus but actively using it
[18:13] <mterry> cwayne, will pm you details
[18:13] <davmor2> ogra_: so mute works but not the way you expect.  calls, sms, 3g, web browser, loud speaker all works
[18:13] <asac> bfiller: well, we have a maguro only issue here
[18:13] <asac> bfiller: you can survive with a mako or something
[18:13] <asac> for a day
[18:13] <bfiller> asac: no I won't be able to meet him in office tomorrow. grab one out of the lab
[18:14] <bfiller> asac: it's my only phone, if someone has a mako I can swap
[18:14] <bfiller> need something to test on
[18:15] <asac> bfiller: i am sure that we could find a mako that you can use for a couple of days, but that doesnt help if you cant be in office at all
[18:15] <mterry> bfiller, lab ones are available for borrow?
[18:15] <bfiller> asac: I'm here now and can leave it if there is a mako
[18:15] <bfiller> at theoffice I mean
[18:15] <asac> bfiller: is rfowler still around?
[18:15] <bfiller> mterry: don't know
[18:15] <ogra_> davmor2, great
[18:15] <bfiller> rfowler: you around?
[18:15] <asac> bfiller: you can ask him to borrow you one from the new phones for a couple of days
[18:16] <ogra_> asac, looks like 60 is good on maguro then
[18:16] <Nicknamez> hello, for three times I do : "Sudo  phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel --no-backup" And I always get the black screen, it w'ont boot on touch.
[18:16] <bfiller> asac: will do
[18:16] <ogra_> Nicknamez, maguro ?
[18:16] <Nicknamez> channel dev break?
[18:16] <asac> bfiller: but be sure to give it back next time you are in the office (hoepfully not too long ahead)... we need it to automate the landing again :)
[18:16] <Nicknamez> yes
[18:16] <asac> thanks
[18:16] <cwayne> 59 seemes to work on my maguro..
[18:16] <ogra_> Nicknamez, the 59 image had issues on that HW, the new 60 image should be fine though (but that is out since a while)
[18:17] <ogra_> cwayne, 59 ?
[18:17] <ogra_> how did you get that ?
[18:17] <Nicknamez> ok great
[18:17] <cwayne> ogra_, --revision -1
[18:17] <ogra_> ah, k
[18:18] <Nicknamez> I'll test the last
[18:19] <fginther> renato_, bfiller, Please let me know if there are any more address-book-app issues that need to be investigated. I did find one test that failed due to a networking failure. The only remaining failed MP appears to have legitimate test failures.
[18:19] <renato_> fginther, ok
[18:20] <renato_> fginther, let me check this
[18:20] <fginther> renato_, this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/address-book-app/fix-1213046/+merge/186224
[18:22] <tmoenicke> attente: pong
[18:24] <bfiller> attente: just made a comment on your MR. looks fine other than one small thing
[18:25] <attente> tmoenicke, bfiller, thanks
[18:25] <renato_> fginther, yes this one depends on a SDK merge, https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-1213046/+merge/186223
[18:25] <renato_> fginther, this one is having problems too
[18:26] <jdstrand> stgraber: hey, what is the status of bug #1215092?
[18:29] <asac> ogra_: so do we have tests?
[18:29] <asac> ogra_: oh...
[18:30] <ogra_> heh
[18:30] <ogra_> you never read your backlog :P
[18:30] <ogra_> do you want to release despite more errors ?
[18:31] <Ganster41> Hmm, phone says cannot find '/sbin/adbd', disabling 'adbd' while boot, and then runs android init scripts O_o
[18:35] <fginther> renato_, that MP just passed CI, can you get it approved now :-)
[18:36] <renato_> fginther, let me see if any SDK guy can approve it
[18:36] <bfiller> asac, mterry_ : problem solved. rfowler has a maguro that mterry can borrow tomorrow. mterry_ just find rfowler and he'll hook you up
[18:36] <mterry_> bfiller, rfowler: thank you so much
[18:41] <Poz_> hello, does anyone know if either the galaxy ace or the galaxy s vibrant will work for ubuntu touch?
[18:48] <asac> bfiller: nice
[18:48] <asac> thx
[18:48] <drachensun> I'm been trying to install mir on my device with the instructions and I'm getting the following error from maliit Failed to load platform plugin "ubuntumirclient". Available platforms are:
[18:49] <drachensun> has anyone seen that before?  I'm not sure what to do
[18:49] <drachensun> the mir-test actually came up on the display, so I think mir might be a solution if I can get it running
[18:49] <ogra_> drachensun, what device ?
[18:49] <drachensun> its a new tablet I am porting
[18:49] <ogra_> ah, k
[18:49] <ogra_> we have mir in the images ...
[18:50] <ogra_> if you use something recent
[18:50] <Nicknamez> On maguro  --revision -1 option works thanks : )
[18:50] <mterry_> ogra_, uh...  so cwayne tested and /home was mounted ro.  He remounted it as rw, rebooted, and it stayed rw and things worked...  Does that make any sense?
[18:50] <ogra_> drachensun, touch /home/phablet/.display-mir  && reboot
[18:50] <ogra_> mterry_, hmm, not really, no
[18:51] <mterry_> ogra_, didn't think so...
[18:51] <mterry_> ogra_, what would cause /home to be ro?
[18:51] <ogra_> mterry_, it should always be ro
[18:51] <ogra_> not sure why making it rw persists
[18:53] <mterry_> ogra_, oh, I'm so used to writable images, I didn't realize it's always ro
[18:53] <ogra_> mterry_, it is ro on purpose, thats fine ... the actual home is in /userdata/user-data/ ... and bind mounted on top of /home
[18:53] <xnox> sergiusens: well, i was hoping for my branch to be a "no-functional change" I'll catch up from what's in ~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy. Unless we are ready to merge that package split already?!
[18:53] <cwayne> huh mterry_ maybe its just some race then
[18:54] <cwayne> and it happened to work that one time
[18:54] <mterry_> ogra_, well, we were seeing "/dev/mmcblk0p12 on /home type ext4 (ro,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered)"
[18:54] <ogra_> mterry_, yes, thats how it should be
[18:54] <mterry_> ok
[18:54] <drachensun> ogra_ : makes since, I'll try that,  and also so I should just reinstall replacing the saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip with one built for mir?
[18:54] <mterry_> ogra_, ok, we'll dig more
[18:54] <ogra_> drachensun, if you use a roughly recent one it should have Mir installed ... just not enabled by default
[18:55] <ogra_> only touching the file enables it
[18:55] <ogra_> it is like that since about two weeks
[18:55] <ogra_> no need to install anything external
[18:55] <drachensun> ok
[18:55] <drachensun> so mine is probably hosed now since I already tried to follow the guide
[18:56] <drachensun> alright thanks for the tip, I will give it try
[19:00] <Saviq> asac, they can (and are fixing) the crash in home scope, no one has been able to reproduce the unity8 one
[19:01] <asac> Saviq: ok, but they always happen :)
[19:01] <asac> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/4411/unity8-autopilot/
[19:01] <asac> again
[19:01] <Saviq> asac, can you reproduce locally?
[19:03] <asac> Saviq: i was able to 100% on friday
[19:03] <asac> i will try again... dropped the ball
[19:04]  * asac reboots his now writable fresh install
[19:04] <mhall119> ogra_: ping
[19:05] <ogra_> mhall119, yo
[19:06] <cyphermox> sergiusens: poke, feedback re: patch?
[19:06] <cyphermox> awe_: ^
[19:07] <popey> ogra_: 60 is 20130923 right?
[19:09] <ogra_> popey, yeah
[19:09] <Saviq> jfunk, ping
[19:09] <jfunk> Saviq, pong
[19:10] <ogra_> advantage Saviq
[19:10] <Saviq> jfunk, hey, I see you started "netwatcher" for the click scope
[19:10] <Saviq> jfunk, but we'll be solving it across the board - the dash will refresh results on network up
[19:11] <Saviq> jfunk, for scopes/categories that are marked networked
[19:11] <jfunk> Saviq, I'm not sure I understand - youre referring to the suggestions?
[19:12] <Saviq> jfunk, well, I only saw your branch attached to bug #1225388
[19:12] <Saviq> jfunk, whose name (netwatcher) suggested you're building some net... watcher... into the click scope?
[19:13] <jfunk> Saviq, hmm, all I did was add a tag to the defect, I'm not sure what branch you're referring to
[19:14] <Saviq> jfunk, right... seems the two mails came together for me, so thought it was yours, sorry - it was actually dobey's!
[19:14] <Saviq> dobey, re: bug #1225388
[19:14] <dobey> Saviq: yes?
[19:14] <Saviq> dobey, we'll be solving it across the board with the dash looking for nm connected
[19:15] <dobey> right
[19:16] <dobey> this isn't exactly a fix, as it doesn't auto-refresh when network comes on or anything. it's a fix to the scope to standoff a refresh on error, or if a query is made when there is no network
[19:16] <Saviq> dobey, k, I wonder, though, if it should be built into "every scope for itself"...
[19:17] <dobey> Saviq: any scope that talks to the network will have to handle errors on its own
[19:17] <Saviq> dobey, sure, but talking to nm about it...
[19:17] <asac> popey: ok we decided to keep the unity crasher und close observation, but publish todays image (60) ... wait for ogra and then send a mail
[19:17] <dobey> Saviq: i don't think every scope should necessarily ahve to reimplement usage of the NM APIs, no.
[19:18] <Saviq> dobey, we could at least proxy the "network up/down" to the scopes
[19:18] <Saviq> dobey, so that they don't need to deal with nm directly
[19:18] <asac> Saviq: one run, two crashes
[19:18] <asac> still 100% reproducible
[19:18] <asac> on maguro
[19:18] <dobey> Saviq: right, the libunity API should definitely provide the necessary signals/properties through the objects which the scopes inherit from
[19:18] <asac> ls /var/crash/
[19:18] <asac> _sbin_ureadahead.0.crash
[19:18] <asac> _usr_bin_unity8.32011.crash
[19:18] <asac> _usr_lib_arm-linux-gnueabihf_unity-scope-home_unity-scope-home.32011.crash
[19:18] <asac> Saviq: ^^
[19:19] <asac> Saviq: nothing but what is in the bug aas repro instruction
[19:19] <Saviq> asac, k, /me will try to repro, too
[19:19] <lool> tedg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement/Manifest
[19:20] <popey> asac: kk
[19:20] <asac> Saviq: you havent?
[19:20] <asac> Saviq: next time please try first
[19:20] <dobey> Saviq: so a scope being able to check for self.online for true/false would be great. and being signalled when that state is toggled would also be very useful
[19:20] <asac> thanks
[19:20] <Saviq> asac, *again*
[19:20] <asac> hehe
[19:20] <asac> ok
[19:20] <asac> i didnt touch the device at all
[19:20] <Saviq> dobey, yeah, actually, care to file a bug against libunity?
[19:21] <ogra_> popey, done ...
[19:21] <popey> thanks
[19:21] <dobey> Saviq: i was going to make it a more complete fix than it currently is, but NM's API in vala makes it incredibly complex to do so, and the way the scope code is currently written isn't terribly great for doing so
[19:22] <cwayne> mterry, ogra_ so its not just that /home was r/o, i couldnt delete stuff from ~/.cache/upstart cus it said it was r/o
[19:22] <dobey> Saviq: is that existing bug not enough? you targeted it to libunity 4 days ago :)
[19:22] <ogra_> cwayne, thats really strange, how are you logged in ?
[19:22] <Saviq> dobey, it's probably not, 'cause it will get Fix Released when we make the dash refresh results on network up, which is different from the scopes actually knowing whether network is up ;)
[19:23] <dobey> Saviq: well, straight up refresh on network up might not be such a great idea
[19:24] <cwayne> ogra_, i was adb shell'd in at the time
[19:24] <anders3408> ogra_:  even if i chmod 0666 /sys/class/leds/lcd-backlight/brightness syslog still complains after restarting powerd
[19:24] <anders3408> powerd[4652]: No backlight devices found
[19:24] <anders3408> powerd[4652]: Could not read maximum brightness, guessing at dim/bright values
[19:24] <dobey> Saviq: one's phone could hit "network up" several times simply walking a block down a city street
[19:24] <ogra_> anders3408, thats sforshee land :)
[19:24] <anders3408> checked and confirmed that its the corrrect path i have chmodd
[19:24] <anders3408> sforshee:  ping :)
[19:25] <sforshee> anders3408: hang on, i'm on the phone
[19:26] <anders3408> ahh :)
[19:26] <anders3408> ogra_:  also if not having an usb cable and using pwrkey, display gets totally dark and turns off, but cant turn it on again :)
[19:26] <sforshee> anders3408: I pointed you at a powerd branch in launchpad that should help you
[19:27] <sforshee> anders3408: lp:~sforshee/powerd/backlight-settings
[19:27] <mterry> cwayne, my irc connection is bonkers.  give me 15m to run to a coffee shop
[19:28] <cwayne> mterry, sure thing
[19:29] <AskUbuntu> Instalacion Manual | http://askubuntu.com/q/349208
[19:30] <attente> bfiller, tmoenicke hi, i reverted the changelog issue with the settings schema branch
[19:30] <Saviq> dobey, well, it's the scopes' responsibility then to say "nah, we've done that 5 mins ago, no point, let's keep the data as is"
[19:30] <Saviq> dobey, or similar
[19:30] <bfiller> attente: let me look
[19:30] <Saviq> dobey, so yeah, we've a plan
[19:31] <anders3408> sforshee: im not totally sure what to do with https://code.launchpad.net/~sforshee/powerd/backlight-settings :)
[19:36] <Volsus> hey
[19:37] <bfiller> attente: approved
[19:37] <attente> bfiller, thanks!
[19:37] <bfiller> thank you
[19:37] <sforshee> anders3408: hmm. I suppose I could build it and give you a deb to try.
[19:38] <anders3408> sforshee:  i just dont see any changes from now  ?
[19:38] <sforshee> anders3408: what do you mean. Did you build it and install it?
[19:39] <anders3408> no i was unsure what i should do with it :)
[19:39] <sforshee> well if I give you a deb file then you would install it on your device and check that it can control your backlight
[19:40] <anders3408> sforshee:  ahh thanks :)
[19:40] <anders3408> but cant turn on display after i used pwrkey  without usb cable :)
[19:40] <sforshee> the display, or the backlight?
[19:41] <anders3408> if its connected to pc, and i press pwrkey backlight remains on even if i blanks the display, but if i do it without usb connected, backlight turns off but i cant turn backlight on again so the display is just completly dark even if logs says it turned on :)
[19:41] <Volsus> I'm wondering just how f'd is development on the Nexus 7?
[19:41] <sforshee> anders3408: you should be able to poke values into /sys/class/.../brightness via the shell to turn the backlight back on
[19:42] <anders3408> /sys/class/leds/lcd-backlight/brigtness says 255 :)
[19:42] <sforshee> but the backlight is off?
[19:43] <anders3408> yes, screen is totally dark
[19:43] <anders3408> but sforshee : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6146980/
[19:43] <jono> Saviq, did you know that update 50 has blank icons on the launcher?
[19:46] <sforshee> anders3408: I don't see anything there that I suspect would relate to you not being able to turn on your backlight
[19:46] <mterry> cwayne, ok, back in business.  let's fix this thing
[19:47] <mterry> cwayne, anything I've missed?
[19:47] <anders3408> haha a sms woke up display sforshee :)
[19:47] <jono> Saviq, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1229379
[19:47] <cwayne> mterry, that i coildnt write to anything in /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/
[19:48] <popey> jono: you should be on 60
[19:48] <jono> popey, oops, must be 60
[19:48] <sforshee> anders3408: well the driver could be paying attention to screen blanking and leaving the backlight off whenever the screen is off, but then you also say it remains on when powerd blanks the screen so that doesn't make sense
[19:48] <jono> I am on the latest one
[19:48] <anders3408> sforshee:  : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6147054/
[19:49] <Volsus> & is there any way for a relative n00b to help with this project in regards to the Nexu 7?
[19:49] <mterry> cwayne, right.  That's where we were though, I guess
[19:49] <popey> jono: updated today?
[19:49] <jono> popey, edited the bug
[19:49] <jono> tedg, do you own messaging menu?
[19:49] <mterry> cwayne, for some reason, the rw mount for that didn't happen
[19:49] <jono> tedg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-messages/+bug/1229381
[19:49] <popey> jono: cat /var/log/installer/media-info should show 20130923
[19:49] <anders3408> if usb cable is connected and powerd blanks the screen the backlight is still on, but if usb is not connected  and powerd blanks display , backlight is off and only turns on when reciving a sms
[19:50] <anders3408> even if brigthness value says 255
[19:50] <tedg> jono, You probably want to chat with larsu there.
[19:50] <jono> larsu, can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-messages/+bug/1229381 ?
[19:50] <jono> thanks tedg
[19:50] <sforshee> anders3408: seems like there's something funny in the driver. It's probably related to suspend if I had to guess.
[19:51] <cwayne> mterry, so after another reboot now it's not working again
[19:51] <cwayne> nope jk
[19:51] <larsu> tedg, jono: still waiting on https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/unitymenumodel.messages/+merge/181552
[19:51] <cwayne> it's just wicked slow
[19:51] <mterry> cwayne, and just for sanity, your /etc/fstab has a bunch of bindmounts, notably the /home one?
[19:51] <mterry> cwayne, curious
[19:51] <anders3408> sforshee:  hmm sounds like it :)
[19:51] <jono> thanks larsu
[19:51] <mterry> cwayne, ok, good!  That's the slowdown that was reported before
[19:52] <anders3408> sforshee:  now i just need to figurer out why powerd needs to be restarted to get pwrkey to work and the brigthness value issue to :)
[19:52] <jono> man, I just had a fright, I have my old android phone on my desk, I picked it up thinking it was my Ubuntu phone, it seemed dead, plugged it in and it booted android
[19:52] <mterry> cwayne, does ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log complain about /run/user permission denied problems?
[19:52] <jono> pants wetted
[19:52] <sforshee> anders3408: http://people.canonical.com/~sforshee/powerd_0.13+13.10.20130905-0ubuntu2_armhf.deb
[19:52] <jono> thankfully, wrong phone :-)
[19:52] <sforshee> anders3408: but you may also need a config.xml file for your device in /usr/share/powerd/device_configs
[19:53] <milko20_> c'è qualcuno On?
[19:53] <larsu> jono: I'm closing your bug, we're tracking the unity8 issue in bug #1215644
[19:53] <cwayne> mterry, yea
[19:53] <jono> larsu, np, thanks
[19:53] <milko20_> ma una guida in italiano per installare ubuntu su tab (dicra) c'è?
[19:54] <mterry> cwayne, ok, fascinating.  good.  now you're seeing the same stuff the daily QA runs did
[19:54] <sforshee> anders3408: the config file is usually found at device/<vendor>/<device>/overlay/frameworks/base/core/res/res/values/config.xml in the android source tree
[19:54] <mterry> cwayne, does /run/user/32011 exist?  what are the permissions on it and /run/user?
[19:55] <sforshee> anders3408: you need to copy it to /usr/share/powerd/device_config/config-<device>.xml
[19:55] <mterry> cwayne, here, let's bring this private to avoid spamming
[19:55] <jono> sforshee, are you finding an unusual powerd issue where the screen won't turn back on?
[19:56] <sforshee> jono: there's one issue I know of on mako if you tap the power button quickly. It's some lower-level problem on that device.
[19:57] <sforshee> jono: I reported it at bug #1208433
[19:58] <sforshee> though in reality it probably shouldn't be a bug against powerd, just not sure what really is the problem
[20:06] <anders3408> sforshee:  i have a config.xml in that folder :)
[20:07] <mterry> cwayne, ugh, even here I'm having connection problems
[20:09] <AskUbuntu> Will Ubuntu Touch be avalible for all Android phones? what version will I need for installation? | http://askubuntu.com/q/349216
[20:13] <jono> larsu, also: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-messages/+bug/1229387
[20:17] <anders3408> sforshee:  that package do work :D
[20:17] <anders3408> thanks :D
[20:17] <Saviq> jono, can you do:
[20:17] <Saviq> adb shell sudo -u phablet -i gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set com.canonical.unity.AccountsService launcher-items "<[{'defaults' : <true>}]>"
[20:17] <dobey> Saviq: is there any way for a scope to force the dash ui to update?
[20:18] <jono> Saviq, done
[20:18] <Saviq> dobey, it can invalidate its results, at which point the dash will refresh
[20:18] <jono> Saviq, now what do I need to do?
[20:18] <dobey> Saviq: ah, how do i do that?
[20:18] <Saviq> jono, adb shell sudo -u phablet -i initctl restart unity8
[20:19] <jono> Saviq, ch ch ch check it out...icons!
[20:19] <jono> Saviq, although it loaded the stock icons, not just the ones I configured on the launcher
[20:20] <Saviq> jono, yes, I'm afraid this re-set your launcher, should've warned you...
[20:20] <jono> Saviq, no biggiue
[20:20] <jono> thanks, man
[20:20] <Saviq> jono, let me incomplete the bug with the info, in case it happens again
[20:21] <zzarr> hello hashcode, is it possible to install ubuntu for android?
[20:21] <dobey> Saviq: in a Unity.SearchScopeBase-derived class?
[20:21] <Saviq> dobey, not sure, I'm afraid
[20:21] <Hashcode> zzarr: i imagine yes, but depends on your device :P
[20:21] <zzarr> I have a motorola droid 4
[20:22] <Hashcode> Ah in that case no.  Not yet.
[20:22] <Hashcode> Er wait
[20:22] <Hashcode> Are you asking about setting up ubuntu on Android? or running Ubuntu Touch?
[20:22] <ogra_> heh, fun
[20:22] <lool> tedg: bah the music-app doesn't work at all here
[20:23] <Hashcode> ogra_ no CDMA support yet right?
[20:23] <ogra_> installing a click package a second time makes the progress bar count to 200%
[20:23] <anders3408> ogra_:  confirmed that lxc-container doesnt mount /system/ partitions correctly :)
[20:23] <lool> tedg: with URLs
[20:23] <zzarr> ubuntu on android (when docked)
[20:23] <anders3408> on 2nd bootup :)
[20:23] <ogra_> Hashcode,  nope
[20:23] <tedg> lool, Make sure you don't have the overrides in /usr/share/upstart/sessions
[20:23] <anders3408> ogra_:  as /proc/406/root/system is empty
[20:23] <Hashcode> zzarr: yes, that's possible.  There is an installer on the Play Store
[20:23] <lool> tedg: I do have overrides there, why is that?
[20:24] <lool> ubuntu-touch-session eh
[20:24] <lool> WTF
[20:24] <ogra_> anders3408, where does the 406 come from ?
[20:24] <popey> zzarr: we haven't released ubuntu for android
[20:24] <zzarr> what is it called?
[20:24] <anders3408> lxc-start 1379967492.452 ERROR    lxc_conf - No such file or directory - stat(/proc/406/root/dev/lxc/tty2)
[20:24] <anders3408> same line is comming on first bootup with no issues
[20:24] <anders3408>       lxc-start 1379962472.606 ERROR    lxc_conf - No such file or directory - stat(/proc/401/root/dev/lxc/tty4)
[20:24] <ogra_> anders3408, use lxc0info to get the right pid
[20:24] <ogra_> lxc-info
[20:25] <Hashcode> popey: I don't think he's referring to the actual product
[20:25] <lool> tedg: why is this in the touch-session package?!
[20:25] <zzarr> popey, I know, but is it possible to do it manually
[20:25] <anders3408> ogra_:  confirmed it the same pid :9
[20:25] <Hashcode> zzarr: what sort of ubuntu interface were you looking for?
[20:25] <ogra_> and it tells you it is running ?
[20:25] <anders3408> yes it does ogra_
[20:25] <ogra_> and do you see android processes in yout processlist ?
[20:26] <anders3408> but if i cd to proc/406/root/system/ that folder is empty
[20:26] <Volsus> where can I learn more about acquiring enough understanding to assist with the development on the Nexus 7?
[20:26] <anders3408> ogra from top i dont see any android progrecess
[20:26] <zzarr> one that works like webtop
[20:26] <Hashcode> zzarr: ah, no that's not out
[20:26] <Saviq> jono, btw - you should know, or at least will point me at someone who does - what do I do for our team to get notified about new bugs to unity8 and ubuntu/unity8?
[20:27] <Hashcode> popey: you were right :p
[20:27] <anders3408> ogra_:  same thing with ps aux
[20:27] <Saviq> jono, I've subscribed ~unity-ui-team to ubuntu/unity8, but we still seem to get no updates
[20:27] <lool> tedg: ok, without the overrides the app start, but doesn't play: phablet   2171 35.0  3.6 282792 70072 ?        Ssl  20:26   0:04      \_ /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmlscene /usr/share/music-app/music-app.qml --file=/home/phablet/Music/11 Novembre 1918-58'50''.mp3 --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/music-app.desktop
[20:27] <ogra_> anders3408, well, then the container didnt start at all ... probably there is something in /var/log/lxc/
[20:27] <lool> the args look correct though
[20:27] <lool> ^@--file=/home/phablet/Music/11 Novembre 1918-58'50''.mp3^@-
[20:28]  * lool scratches head
[20:28] <jono> Saviq, subscribing to the project should give you bugmail
[20:28] <tedg> lool, Yeah, I was only checking the args, it wasn't playing for me either.
[20:28] <anders3408> ogra_:  in that folder i have android.log that only points out       lxc-start 1379967492.452 ERROR    lxc_conf - No such file or directory - stat(/proc/406/root/dev/lxc/tty2)
[20:28] <anders3408>  which it also did on first bootup
[20:28] <jono> maybe jfunk can help you get set up Saviq
[20:28] <lool> tedg: ah
[20:28] <Saviq> jono, do we need a mailing list for the team, or should that go straight to the members?
[20:28] <lool> tedg: also, I'm getting multiple instances
[20:28] <jono> Saviq, should go to the members who subscribe to bugmail
[20:28] <zzarr> every time I dock my phone and it switches to webtop all android apps are restarted, can I prevent that?
[20:29] <tedg> lool, I don't think the version with the single instance flag is in the image yet.
[20:29] <lool> ah right, it's not click
[20:29] <lool> indeed not
[20:30] <ogra_> anders3408, how about /var/log/upstart/lxc-android-config.log
[20:30] <ogra_> also check dmesg for weird stuff
[20:30] <jfunk> Saviq, I curate a list of new avengers defects that are mostly untriaged for the unity8 project (among other projects) would you like me to email them to you?
[20:30] <anders3408> ogra_:  doesnt exsist
[20:30] <anders3408> dmesg is all fucked up
[20:30] <Saviq> jfunk, I'm just worried /me is not looking at new bugmail
[20:31] <Saviq> jfunk, for unity8 or ubuntu/unity8 - 'cause it doesn't come to me for some reason
[20:31] <jfunk> Saviq, that's something else, don't know how to help you there
[20:31] <Saviq> jfunk, k thanks, we'll chase it up tomorrow
[20:32] <anders3408> ogra_:  what in the world did happend around line 629 ? :O
[20:32] <ogra_> ?
[20:33] <anders3408> ogra_:  EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p20): ext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 28490
[20:33] <anders3408> EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p20): 18 orphan inodes deleted
[20:33] <anders3408> EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p20): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
[20:33] <ogra_> it fscks the filesystem it seems
[20:33] <ogra_> during mount
[20:34] <ogra_> which looks fine
[20:34] <zzarr> hashcode do you know how the webtop environment works?
[20:34] <anders3408> but what about : mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) ?
[20:34] <Hashcode> zzarr: on 4.1 for the Motorola's webtop is just a different launcher for the HDMI screen
[20:34] <Hashcode> It's still the same OS running under it
[20:36] <zzarr> okey, so what I need/want is a launcher that handles both the phonemode and webtop mode without restarting the apps
[20:39] <zzarr> I'll be back later, I must go now
[20:41] <anders3408> ogra_:  if i do : lxc-kill --name android and then lxc-start --name android i get this :
[20:41] <anders3408> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6147300/
[20:42] <ogra_> anders3408, so something keeps the socket open apparently
[20:49] <anders3408> ogra_:  not sure but is this usfeull : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6147332/
[20:51] <anders3408> ogra_:  let me reflash and bootup , then check the same mounts point :)
[20:51] <ogra_> yeah
[20:52] <ogra_> i really dont see anything unusual ..
[20:53] <cyphermox> asac: OK to run indicators for a desktop-side bugfix, I'll make sure only indicator-bluetooth which is what I'm interested in lands ?
[20:55] <asac> cyphermox: is indicator-bluetooth on touch images?
[20:55] <daker> mhall119: anyidea why i am getting this : "module "Ubuntu.Components.Pickers" is not installed"
[20:56] <daker> mhall119: i am running saucy, the gallery has "Picker" section but it seems it's not installed :(
[20:57] <cyphermox> asac: trying to figure it out
[20:58] <cyphermox> asac: not really something in use at all if it's on the image though, it doesn't currently do anything
[20:58] <kgunn> ricmm: any chance of trying a CM10.2 ?
[20:58] <asac> cyphermox: it could though crash the world still :)
[20:58] <asac> we have seen those before
[20:58] <asac> hehe
[20:58] <cyphermox> asac: there is little risk, but some risk yes
[20:59] <cyphermox> asac: when is there ever no risk though ?
[20:59] <cyphermox> asac: we do have a bluetooth indicator, but it doesn't do anything atm on touch
[20:59] <ricmm> kgunn: usually the delta is quite huge, we could try it but it wont work, not before release at least
[20:59] <asac> cyphermox: after testing :) ... install on phone, run unity8 autopilot and one or two key apps after installing your stuff and then you are ready.
[20:59] <ricmm> kgunn: we can explore it further with rsalveti tomorrow as hes the CM migration guy
[20:59] <kgunn> ricmm: at least it would prove it to us...
[20:59] <ricmm> kgunn: what happened with our ideas from friday?
[20:59] <cyphermox> asac: ack
[20:59] <asac> cyphermox: is th change staged in trunk?
[20:59] <kgunn> thank you ricmm
[20:59] <cyphermox> asac: yeah, it's in trunk
[20:59] <ricmm> kgunn: I believe we agreed on proving via the 2-layer hack
[21:00] <asac> cyphermox: so you could take the whole indicators stack even after testing all these together
[21:00] <cyphermox> mkay. we'll see
[21:00] <asac> cyphermox: and if you are eager you could also do the app stack after testing all the apps that are under publication :)
[21:01] <asac> you could do those in one run :)
[21:01] <asac> if you do, add a landing plan entry at the end
[21:01] <asac> and ensure you update it until its really in the archive :)
[21:01] <cyphermox> possibly. perhaps I'll first get it all built in the PPA to help with testing this stuff
[21:01] <asac> cyphermox: its all built from what i see
[21:01] <asac> cyphermox: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/cu2d/results thats what built and staged
[21:02] <asac> cyphermox: talking about pushing apps and indicators like: paste.ubuntu.com/6147374/
[21:02] <cyphermox> awesome
[21:02] <mhall119> daker: what version of ubuntu-ui-toolkit do you have?
[21:03] <cyphermox> asac:  how come you are the one to show me this URL ? :)
[21:03] <asac> cyphermox: meaning: install all from daily-build against latest image, run all autopilots needed against it (all apps that are under consideration + unity8)
[21:03] <asac> cyphermox: its a new investion. fresh on the stand :-P
[21:03] <cyphermox> yeah, I know the drill :)
[21:03] <asac> invention
[21:03] <kgunn> ricmm: kdub tried it (sorta) but it didn't resolve the flicker
[21:03] <cyphermox> rockin'
[21:03] <daker> mhall119: ubuntu-ui-toolkit-theme:i386/saucy 0.1.46+13.10.20130916-0ubuntu1 uptodate
[21:03] <asac> cyphermox: so yeah bookmark the url: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/cu2d/results :)
[21:03] <kdub> kgunn,  tried what?
[21:04] <ricmm> kgunn: what do you mean sorta?
[21:04] <asac> cyphermox: and feel free to land given the above approach all the low hanging fruit stacks :)
[21:04] <ricmm> kdub:
[21:04] <lool> stgraber: Heya!  I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc-android-config/+bug/1229409 and Steve L agreed that it would match your expertise really well, hope you could take a look  :-)
[21:04] <asac> hehe
[21:04] <asac> cyphermox: just add landing plan entry and go
[21:04] <cyphermox> ack
[21:04] <mhall119> daker: hmmm, that looks up to date, but I don't know when the pickers were added
[21:04] <cyphermox> It'll wait until later tonight though, I'm just about to pause for dinner/classes and get back online later
[21:05] <asac> cyphermox: ok... if indicators and apps really pass testing, thats awesome
[21:05] <asac> cyphermox: oh after testing check /var/crash
[21:05] <cyphermox> yup
[21:05] <asac> we had a unity8 crasher slip through because the tests didnt fail
[21:05] <kgunn> kdub: the relevant bits ported that would be exercised as i understand it
[21:05] <anders3408> ogra_:  here is from the working one : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6147336/
[21:05] <asac> cyphermox: we expect two crasherse for unity8 ... so thats not a regression
[21:05] <asac> everything else is
[21:05] <daker> mhall119: on that version https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/0.1.46+13.10.20130916-0ubuntu1
[21:05] <asac> cyphermox: those are home_scope... and unity8 itself
[21:05] <asac> ok thanks
[21:05] <asac> ttyl
[21:05] <daker> mhall119: [ Zsombor Egri ]  * Picker component, a tumbler style value selector.
[21:06] <anders3408> ogra_:  this missing / /system ro,relatime shared:17 - ext4 /dev/block/mmcblk0p19 ro,noauto_da_alloc,data=ordered
[21:06] <kdub> kgunn, ricmm i tried the 2 layer thing, (which had some kernel panic problems)
[21:06] <kgunn> kdub ricmm : which lead to no correction
[21:06] <lool> mhall119: hey, is latest music-app from PPA working for you?
[21:06] <cyphermox> asac: thanks
[21:06] <anders3408> so it does mount it all, just not /system
[21:06] <kdub> kgunn, wait, what led to no corruption :)
[21:06] <lool> mhall119: the one I got in the latest proposed image seems busted, wont find any file and doens't play when you pass --file=xyz
[21:06] <anders3408> perhaps the issue exsist in some .sh scripts that normally remounts /system in android +
[21:06] <anders3408> ?
[21:06] <kgunn> kdub: read it again
[21:07] <mhall119> lool: the latest might be trying to use the Grilo plugin I added to the landing spreadsheet
[21:07] <kdub> kgunn, sorry... dunno why i misread
[21:07] <mhall119> popey: ^^ can you confirm
[21:07] <mhall119> lool: I'm currently running stable releases though
[21:08] <lool> mhall119: so I'm not sure we want grilo as part of our SDK runtime
[21:08] <mhall119> lool: it's the API the media scanner uses, and the media scanner is part of our platform offering
[21:09] <mhall119> jhodapp: ^^
[21:09] <mhall119> right?
[21:09] <lool> mhall119: but I think we will want music-app to move to ubuntu archive anyway with a click shim wrapping it, or as an unconfined click under a different namespace -- but that's more risky
[21:09] <mhall119> lool: regardless of what we do for music-app, we need the QML plugin to expose that part of our platform service
[21:09] <lool> I'm not sure
[21:09] <jhodapp> mhall119, yes
[21:10] <anders3408> which in the demsg is this line : EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p19): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: errors=remount-ro ogra_
[21:10] <lool> mhall119: I thought apps would be exposing content over content-hub
[21:10] <lool> mediascanner for me is to pick up files in known locations and expose to scopes
[21:10] <popey> mhall119: confirm what exactly?
[21:10] <mhall119> jhodapp: can you comment on media scanner vs. content hub?
[21:10] <lool> but perhaps it's also meant to be available to apps
[21:10] <anders3408> i should so much soon add apparmor to the kernel :)
[21:10] <mhall119> popey: that the music-app is now using the media scanner and grilo api
[21:10] <jhodapp> mhall119, I don't know anything about content-hub, so I guess I can't comment
[21:11] <mhall119> jhodapp: is the media scanner and grilo API supposed to be something exposed to all apps?
[21:11] <mhall119> jdstrand: may as well get you into this conversation too
[21:11] <jhodapp> mhall119, well it was designed for Ubuntu TV, and that was the intention for that project...but it doesn't have to be the API for Touch
[21:11] <lool> jdstrand: ^ do we have apparmor for mediscanner
[21:11] <lool> mhall119: ah  :-)
[21:12] <popey> mhall119: the code on my device seems to be
[21:13] <mhall119> lool: looks like music-app switch to the grilo API in rev 118
[21:13] <jhodapp> mhall119, grilo does make things convenient
[21:13] <Ganster41> Wow, I running UI on my device!)
[21:13] <asac> bfiller: calendar plugin for EDS
[21:13] <Ganster41> But adb still not work O_o
[21:14] <asac> bfiller: any update to that one (waiting for code right now)
[21:14] <asac> ChickenCutlass: so ask 34 and 35
[21:14] <bfiller> asac: let me check, renato_ have updates been merged for calendar plugin for eds?
[21:14] <asac> those are the two you want to shoot for later this week? all in one shot?
[21:14] <asac> renato_: ^
[21:15] <asac> (not my last line... bfiller's ) :)
[21:15] <jhodapp> mhall119, so what's the issue, we don't want to ship grilo?
[21:15] <asac> ChickenCutlass: i think row 41 is also on that topic
[21:16] <ChickenCutlass> asac, yes that code is also done
[21:16] <asac> ChickenCutlass: can you update all three entries ? just a new commment on the right each with your nick in front
[21:16] <asac> thanks
[21:16] <ChickenCutlass> ack
[21:16] <bfiller> asac: what line in ask is the eds stuff?
[21:17] <asac> cyphermox: when to get your network-manager landing btw?
[21:17] <asac> bfiller: 23 :)
[21:17] <cyphermox> asac: as soon as I get the go from sergiusens and awe_ for the patch review
[21:17] <jdstrand> lool: regarding mediascanner-- no, I don't even know what that is
[21:17] <awe_> cyphermox, almost done...
[21:17] <asac> cyphermox: feels stuck for a while at that stage?
[21:17] <asac> awe_: ?
[21:17] <asac> ok
[21:17] <lool> jdstrand: ok
[21:18] <sergiusens> cyphermox, I'm sort of stacked right now
[21:18] <lool> mhall119: I've pinged pmcgowan on this too
[21:18] <pmcgowan> lool, mhall119 not sure we want that exposed to apps
[21:18] <bfiller> asac: looks like that was already released, can mark it green
[21:18] <pmcgowan> lool, expect its used when content enters the system but would need to discuss more
[21:19] <renato_> bfiller, yes
[21:19] <renato_> bfiller, and contact service too
[21:19] <renato_> bfiller, but both was merged already, just waiting the release
[21:20] <renato_> asac, ^
[21:20] <bfiller> renato_: eds plugin was released
[21:20] <mhall119> pmcgowan: well music-app needs it, so we need to provide the plugin with the music app
[21:20] <bfiller> renato_: look at rev 14 of trunk https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/qtorganizer5-eds/trunk
[21:20] <mhall119> either packaged with the music app, or pre-installed on the platform
[21:20] <lool> mhall119: music-app is a bit special
[21:20] <lool> mhall119: we can't confine it due to this and for other reasons
[21:20] <mhall119> if we have apparmor mediation on the grilo interface already, I say we should just include it
[21:20] <renato_> bfiller, ok then EDS is fine
[21:21] <bfiller> renato_: but yes address-book-service needs a release, I've marked it so
[21:21] <mhall119> lool: music-app isn't confined?
[21:21] <asac> bfiller: ok update the ask and comment which trunks have the code that you need to land for this (from CI)
[21:21] <asac> thanks
[21:21] <pmcgowan> lool, although the music app needs access to the resulting metadata
[21:22] <mhall119> lool: pmcgowan: as far as I know, the Grilo API is already in platform
[21:22] <mhall119> it's just the QML plugin that isn't
[21:22] <pmcgowan> mhall119, if music app needs access music service should provide it?
[21:22] <mhall119> so *currently* any C++ app can use it
[21:22] <bfiller> asac: done, it's just line 80 we need
[21:22] <sergiusens> mhall119, it's pulled in by the music-app deb
[21:23] <pmcgowan> mhall119, seems we need a discussion on where the api lives
[21:23] <mhall119> sergiusens: doesn't the music scope use it?
[21:23] <mhall119> or does the music scope use the media scanner's own API?
[21:23] <sergiusens> mhall119, can't comment on that
[21:24] <cyphermox> sergiusens: all fine, awe_ was supposed to give me a quick review as well
[21:25] <asac> bfiller: ok
[21:25] <Saviq> sergiusens, btw, how does the $HOME backup work, is it copied over from the device or something? or is it a separate partition that's just not touched?
[21:25] <sergiusens> Saviq, out of band copied
[21:28] <jono> bfiller, pmcgowan, looks like my messaging bug isn't related to the history - see the bug
[21:28] <jono> I just tested again and my bug is persistent across reboots
[21:29] <asac> jdstrand: did you do the landing for ask 65?
[21:29] <asac> jdstrand: is that in build 60?
[21:29] <asac> i assume
[21:30] <bfiller> jono: I think your db is corrupt like pmcgowan's
[21:31] <jono> bfiller, hmmm
[21:31] <jono> can I rebuild the DB?
[21:31] <jono> I guess we need to figure out what is corrupting it
[21:31] <bfiller> jono: boiko is looking into providing a way to do that
[21:32] <jono> cool
[21:32] <jono> also, just filed a gallery bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gallery-app/+bug/1229430
[21:32] <bfiller> jono: temp fix is to move your db out of the way and a new one will get created, but you'll loose all your message history
[21:32] <bfiller> but should allow you to start getting messages from everyone again
[21:33] <boiko> bfiller: jono: there is an MR to fix the db without having to remove it, as soon as it get some debs produced would you mind testing it?
[21:33] <jono> bfiller, I will wait to see what you guys recommend
[21:33] <jono> boiko, of course :-)
[21:33] <jono> boiko, although I am testing the phone as part of avengers, and thus using the stable images, I would prefer to test without having to compromise using the image others are using, if possible
[21:34] <lool> mhall119: C/C++ apps would be confined by apparmor not to access mediascanner either
[21:34] <lool> mhall119: it's not a question of having the QML bindings
[21:34] <sergiusens> jono, http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/syncing-contacts-from-google-on-latest-touch-images.html
[21:35] <boiko> jono: well, this will be in the images at some point, I just wanted to confirm it fixes the problem you were having
[21:35] <jono> sergiusens, nice! :-)
[21:35] <jono> boiko, sure
[21:35] <lool> mhall119: we should approve additions of the grilo QML bindings into the image because music-app uses it and will keep using it unconfined anyway
[21:35] <pmcgowan> jono, that was in m comment, need to delete the file
[21:35] <bfiller> jono: bug triaged
[21:35] <jono> I will keep my db and test when it hits the image
[21:35] <lool> mhall119: but these shouldn't be part of official API
[21:35] <lool> or runtime
[21:35] <jono> thanks bfiller
[21:36] <boiko> jono: maybe you can make a backup copy of the sms database, run the tests, restore the original file and reflash with whatever image you are using to continue testing
[21:37] <jono> boiko, sounds good
[21:37] <daker> mhall119: i just reinstalled the package, same thing Picker module missing :(
[21:38] <daker> mhall119: i am running the latest version which supposed to have the picker
[21:48] <awe_> cyphermox, just sent you review comments
[21:49] <jdstrand> I just now used system-image-cli and apport is reported all kinds of errors after reboot
[21:50] <jdstrand> s/reported/is generating error reports/
[21:50] <jdstrand> I think there is something wrong with this image
[21:50] <jdstrand> 'dpkg -l' gives:
[21:50] <jdstrand> dpkg-query: error: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory
[21:50] <jdstrand> asac, lool: ^
[21:51] <jdstrand> this is mako
[21:52] <lool> jdstrand: that is what I mentioned earlier
[21:52] <lool> jdstrand: I suspect it's a quick reboot after applying it
[21:53] <lool> jdstrand: did you get this upon upgrade
[21:53] <lool> jdstrand: Can you please report this against system-image with details of what you were upgrading from / to, whether it was writable_image or whether you had remounted it rw in the past
[21:53] <jdstrand> lool: sorry I didn't see backscroll. I did 'system-image-cli -vv' from adb shell, it rebooted, here I am
[21:54] <lool> jdstrand: not backscroll, I mentioned this in our call earlier today
[21:54] <lool> that I got this error once
[21:54] <jdstrand> ah that
[21:54] <jono> who is taking care of audio on the phone?
[21:54] <jdstrand> I'm not sure what I upgraded from. I don't use writable_image, but I had remounted it rw at one point
[21:55] <jono> I just got a really weird bug - rebooted the phone while on a call (as it would not hang up) and now no audio plays on the phone at all
[21:58] <jono> pmcgowan, any idea who I speak to to resolve this sound issue?
[21:58] <jono> literally no audio from the phone now
[21:58] <jono> including calls
[21:59] <pmcgowan> jono, diwic, he is offline now
[21:59] <jono> damn
[21:59] <pmcgowan> jono, aboher reboot would clear it?
[21:59] <jono> pmcgowan, reboots don't fix it
[21:59] <pmcgowan> hmmm
[22:00] <pmcgowan> jono, so either volume got muted or hw is off
[22:00] <jono> pmcgowan, vol is up
[22:00] <jono> not sure about the hardware
[22:00] <jono> is there a way I can check to see if the hardware is up?
[22:01] <pmcgowan> I suspect but dont know, sergiusens you know?
[22:01] <pmcgowan> ChickenCutlass, might
[22:01] <ChickenCutlass> pmcgowan, not sure about the audio.
[22:01] <jono> this is odd
[22:02] <jono> the phone got into this state because I dialed my voicemail and couldn't hang up the call
[22:02] <jono> so rebooted
[22:02] <jono> ok, will file a bug
[22:03] <jono> pmcgowan, where should I file this bug?
[22:03] <jono> ubuntu-touch-preview I assume
[22:03] <pmcgowan> jono, not there anymore
[22:03] <pmcgowan> jono, thinking
[22:03] <ChickenCutlass> jono, can you reflash your phone -- just to see if it is something persistent on the filesystem
[22:04] <jono> ChickenCutlass, will do, will this destroy my user data?
[22:04] <ChickenCutlass> jono, it should back it up.
[22:04] <jono> ChickenCutlass, phablet-flash ubuntu-system --wipe ?
[22:04] <ChickenCutlass> jono, not --wipe
[22:05] <jono> ok
[22:05] <jono> doing it now, thanks
[22:05] <pmcgowan> jono, you are too good at this dogfooding thing
[22:05] <cwayne> jdstrand, ping
[22:05] <jono> pmcgowan, lol
[22:06] <pmcgowan> s/too/no/
[22:08] <jono> pmcgowan, haha
[22:08] <jono> fair. :-)
[22:09] <mhall119> daker: do you have Pickers in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/ ?
[22:11] <daker> mhall119: no
[22:12] <daker> mhall119: remove the package, then watched that folder then installed the package but nothing there
[22:12] <daker> removed*
[22:15] <mhall119> daker: hmmm, maybe it wasn't actually in that version?
[22:15] <lool> mhall119: can you just add a depend from music-app on the qml bindings you need?
[22:15] <mhall119> jono: http://91.189.93.79/api/qml/sdk-1.0/search/?query=model
[22:15] <mhall119> lool: sure
[22:15] <lool> mhall119: grilo thing
[22:15] <jono> mhall119, NICE!
[22:16] <daker> mhall119: see here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/0.1.46+13.10.20130916-0ubuntu1
[22:16] <jono> mhall119, does that search across all APIs?
[22:17] <jono> e.g. Qt.Quick and Ubuntu.*
[22:17] <mhall119> jono: yes, it's confined to topic (qml) and version (sdk-1.0), but otherwise will search everything in there
[22:17] <jono> mhall119, holy balls, that is awesome :-)
[22:18] <mhall119> well let's not get carried away, it's just search
[22:18] <mhall119> but it sure is handy :)
[22:20] <jono> mhall119, it is very cool when hacking
[22:20] <lool> mhall119: if you had a sec to review https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/music-app/unquote-desktop-file/+merge/187115 too  :-)
[22:21] <zzarr> hashcode, is it hard to manipulate a launcher?
[22:21] <mhall119> lool: the dependency is already there
[22:21] <lool> mhall119: searching API docs >> pretty cool, thanks for that  :-)
[22:21] <lool> mhall119: good, BTW I actually had seen it was already in the image and it didn't fix music-app for me
[22:21] <lool> but I hadn't checked whether it was already a dependency
[22:22] <lool> mhall119: (the merge proposal is for something else)
[22:22] <lool>   upstart-app-launch now correctly handles %f (but will cope with "%f" too ;-).
[22:22] <lool> ups
[22:22] <mhall119> ok, so something else wrong with the music-app
[22:22] <mhall119> lool: can you file a bug report?
[22:23] <lool> yup
[22:24] <mhall119> thanks
[22:24] <lool> hmm there are pending changes in bzr
[22:24] <lool> should try these first I guess
[22:29] <olli> mhall119, jono https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1229448 this is the music-app powerd bug I mentioned earlier
[22:29] <olli> would be great if we could get this resolved by EOW
[22:30] <jono> thanks olli
[22:30] <olli> Chicken offered help regarding the API
[22:30] <jono> mhall119, ^^
[22:30] <jono> can you take care of this with the music app devs for olli?
[22:30] <mhall119> olli: offered help to who? one of the music-app developers?
[22:30] <olli> mhall119, offered me to help the app author
[22:30] <jono> damn, ChickenCutless was wrong, running phablet-flash destroyed my data
[22:31] <jono> which means I can't test the messaging bug boiko
[22:31] <jono> sorry
[22:31] <mhall119> ok, I'll try and get more info from him tomorrow
[22:31] <olli> mhall119, thx
[22:31] <boiko> jono: no problems
[22:31]  * mhall119 hopes it doesn't require C++ to do this
[22:32] <boiko> jono: there are very good chances it was the same bug pmcgowan hit, and if that's the case, it is already fixed :)
[22:34] <jono> boiko, cool, I will ask my wife to text now my db is recreated and see if I get it
[22:34] <lool> mhall119: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1229453 is the music-app bug confirmed with latest bzr / PPA version
[22:35] <lool> looks like some broken init, some db not created
[22:38] <jono> boiko, I see my wife's texts now, so I think that fixed it
[22:38] <jono> :-)
[22:38] <boiko> jono: great! :)
[22:39] <jdstrand> cwayne: hey
[22:53] <foxsdaddy67> hello
[23:14] <lool> stgraber: just saw your reply; FYI, jdstrand had a similar corruption applying an update
[23:14] <lool> stgraber: I dont know what's causing this, would you know that we're actually unmounting the real FS properly?  the one containing the loopmounted FSEs
[23:24] <cwayne> jdstrand, hey, i noticed an issue with click packages + apparmor on our customized images
[23:25] <cwayne> specifically, we have QML themes that live in /custom/usr/share/themes, and the click packages are looking for those and getting denied
[23:25] <jdstrand> cwayne: can you file a bug against apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu?
[23:25] <cwayne> jdstrand, sure thing
[23:26] <jdstrand> thanks, I'll update the policy
[23:26] <cwayne> jdstrand, any specific details that would be helpful? or pretty much just what i already said
[23:26] <jdstrand> cwayne: what you said is fine. it would be nice to see the denial in kern.log. is this blocking anything or can I do the upload tomorrow?
[23:27] <jdstrand> cwayne: I have to go this second, but will check back in a bit
[23:35] <AskUbuntu> Will UBUNTU work with RAZR i (motorola XT890) ? | http://askubuntu.com/q/349280
[23:39] <cwayne> jdstrand, no worries, tomorrow is more than fine :)