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TheOpenSourcererMorning Ratfans ;-) (See what I did there?)07:16
AlanBellDaviey: \o/07:32
TheOpenSourcererMorning AlanBell07:32
AlanBellmorning07:32
MartijnVdSMorning everyone07:55
MartijnVdSDaviey: The RAT train? Does it also have an LCD display and a PIN number? :P07:55
DJonesMorning all07:57
TheOpenSourcererSo how was the RAT then? Sorry I missed it but I was being entertained by a bunch of very petty female open source developers from Albania08:00
TheOpenSourcerers\petty\pretty08:00
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: you might get in trouble with the CoC for saying it like that ;)08:00
TheOpenSourcererBut they were pretty. That's a compliment.08:01
AlanBellRAT was great :)08:18
czajkowskialoha08:18
AlanBello/ czajkowski08:18
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mungbeanhas anyone read the new linkedin TOS?08:24
MartijnVdSI guess it's a PoS?08:26
mungbeani don't trsut those guys08:31
mungbeaneven if you create a fake account, your main account soon suggests them as a friend08:31
mungbeansuggesting access to gmail contacts, or checking cookies /IP address08:31
MooDoomorning all08:42
SuperMattmorning MooDoo08:44
JamesTaitGood morning all, happy Checkers Day! :)08:46
SuperMattas in the game?08:49
SuperMattwhich normal people call draughts08:49
mungbeanmy kettle is tripping the main breaker switch in the house rather than the one for the downstairs plug sockets - whats all that abot?08:49
SuperMattstuff's messed up, yo.08:49
mgdmmungbean: means you need a new kettle :-)08:50
mungbeanit is 15 days old08:50
mgdmmeans it needs to go back to the shop, and you get a new kettle... :-)08:50
mungbeanbut why doesn't it trip the first fuse?08:51
mgdmNot sure. Does the main one have an RCD and that one not?08:51
mungbeanthey all have trip switches08:51
mungbeandownstairs lights, downstairs plugs , etc08:51
mungbeanunless the downstairs plugs don't...i was dark of course08:52
mungbeanno power08:52
diploOnly reason I'd say it's blowing is it's pulling more than the amperage of the trip, so that Circuit breaker is 32amp and it's pulling more than that on that breaker combined when it went off08:55
diploCould be to a faulty kettle, could be something else causing it though08:55
diploAnyone changed an iPhone screen ( think it's a 4? )08:59
mgdmI've not personally but I've seen a 4S done08:59
mgdmnot *hard*, but extremely fiddly08:59
diploSeem simple enough? My girlfriend dropped hers at the weekend08:59
diploCrack from top to the bottom right, just 1 line.. it's not the end but she's not happy :/09:00
mgdmshe can fix it then :-)09:00
diploFound for £19.99 on ebay09:00
diplohah, yeah not a chance. Going to check how much local people charge to do it. If it's not to fiddly I'm happy to do it, will watch a few YouTube vids I guess09:01
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mgdmIIRC it took over an hour09:03
diploOh :/09:03
mgdmnot *hard*, but you have to strip the phone right down09:03
mgdmand you need a set of odd-shaped screwdrivers (which are eBayable)09:04
Myrttihello sweetiepies ♥09:05
diployeah seems to come with the £19 purchase09:06
diploWatching a vid now, hi Myrtti09:06
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:06
Myrttifirst proper day at work after the shock of getting a job09:06
Myrttithis is mindblowing09:06
mungbeanon irc already?09:07
Myrttimungbean: they've not managed to give me an email address even yet09:07
Myrtti(and some of my coworkers are in fact in IRC)09:07
mgdmMyrtti: where you working, if you don't mind me being noseY? :)09:08
Myrttimgdm: it's a free high school (or that's what they call themselves) that have open source projects related to teaching, studying and research09:09
mgdmah, cool09:10
Myrttilearning environments, project paradigm based school administration software etc09:10
Myrttijust sent some information on what kind of laptop I'd want if I am given one and have a chance of humbly request something09:11
popeydiplo: I took my iphone 4s into a local phone shop and they did it for me09:11
mungbeani just broke my pint glass from 1995 UMIST beer festival :(09:12
brobostigon:(09:14
mungbeanand sliced my finger :(09:14
mungbeancan't ask for a plaster or they will get all bureaucratic on me09:14
diplopopey: ta, just phoned a local PC/repair place they do it for £59. Is that around what you paid ?09:15
popeydiplo: mine was back screen so no09:15
popeyback glass..09:15
diploah right ok09:16
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:16
diploMorning bigcalm09:22
bigcalmTrying to ignore work emails when one is on holiday is very difficult09:25
mungbeandifferent accout or same?09:26
mungbeani just don't open the email app09:28
bigcalmI should have disabled my phone from fetching work email09:28
bigcalmMyrtti: X13 then?09:38
Myrttiyup09:38
bigcalm:)09:38
bigcalmWho put the south so far away from home?09:45
bigcalmNot really looking forward to the drive back today09:45
* AlanBell quite likes the look of the Tesco Hudl09:51
mungbeanbad name09:52
mungbeanits like lidl09:53
Azelphurhmm, eBuyer is trying to sell me things in an amusing way09:53
AlanBelltrue, but nice specification and price/spec ratio09:53
Azelphursent me an email, subject "Customer, A Special offer just for you: 6 x 100 x3/ sum(a=b)2 + 42 ="09:54
MyrttiAWWWWWWWW DARNIT09:56
MyrttiI can't order more Yorkshire tea to Finland from Amazon.co.uk.09:57
Myrttiwell, not the size I'd want09:57
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davmor2Morning all10:03
MooDoomorning davmor210:06
davmor2bigcalm, popey, AlanBell: good trip on rat?10:07
davmor2MooDoo: 'ow do mucka10:07
MooDoodavmor2: alreet lad, good weekend?10:08
davmor2nicely relaxed to start the week which is good :)10:08
bigcalmdavmor2: morning. Went very well thanks10:09
popeydavmor2: yes, great fun10:12
bigcalmTime to head norf. See you kids tomorrow10:19
SuperMattbe careful, it's grim up there10:20
MooDooit's lovely up here, well if you can consider the midlands NORF!10:21
Laneylooks grey to me10:24
SuperMattit's grey here is the centre of london :(10:25
SuperMattsomeone forgot to tell the clouds it's supposed to be nice and warm today10:25
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davmor2MooDoo: he lives up the road from me so he is down sowf and is coming home so midlands is norf of where he is currently :D10:46
hooverhi folks10:50
MooDoodavmor2: then it's lovely and bleak up here ;)10:55
MooDoohowdy hoover10:55
davmor2hello hoover11:00
davmor2MooDoo: indeed, rather than the midlands it should just be called bleak country :D11:00
MooDoodavmor2: yeah it's just over cast at the moment, was foggy earlier.11:01
davmor2MooDoo: it's a lovely warm shade of grey here :D11:01
MooDoonice and cool when I'm on my motorbike :D11:03
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popeyseems oppo are launching a new phone - N1 - http://c.youku.com/n1 (live stream in Chinese)11:59
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mungbeanany built-in apps for ubuntu handle ftps?12:20
mgdmftps as opposed to sftp?12:20
SuperMattI think vsftpd is what you're looking for12:20
SuperMatthttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/vsftpd12:21
davmor2mungbean: how do you mean handle and do you mean server or client?12:21
AlanBellpopey: does it have cyanogen mod on it?12:22
popeylooks like their own version of cyanogen called Color OS12:22
popeyI *think*12:23
popeyMy chinese isn't great12:23
davmor2mungbean: if you are just after a client filezilla, server vsftpd12:23
davmor2mungbean: and if you mean sftp instead of ftps then nautilus can connect to sftp12:24
ali1234http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei92bhNTTlU what is this piece of music called? (other than "theme from super pang germany stage")12:27
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popeygoogle play says "Hold On To Nothing - Daylight Dies" :D12:29
ali1234google play has told me two different wrong things already12:29
directhexgoogle play told me prokofiev12:29
ali1234it told me mozart12:30
ali1234it's something like this though. all the music from the game is public domain folk/classical12:30
directhexit sounds german in style12:31
directhexbut it's so long since i studied this stuff12:31
ali1234it does... sounds like drinking music12:31
directhexLiszt?12:33
directhexone of the hungarian rhapsodies12:35
directhexmaybe 612:35
directhexor 1412:37
popeythat oppo N1 looks like a nice spec device12:37
popeyhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YxnZJ7MISJQ/UkA1O8szZmI/AAAAAAAAHEU/Kv0_N88TIHU/w426-h244/Oppo.jpg12:38
directhexop, op, op, oppo android style12:40
directhexalso, seen tesco's android tablet?12:40
directhex£120 cash, 60 quid in clubcard vouchers12:40
brobostigon-quasI am officially engaged to be married to my beautiful gf Kate.12:41
mungbean\o/ congrats12:41
MartijnVdSbrobostigon-quas: congratulations :)12:41
mgdmbrobostigon-quas: congratulations! :D12:41
MartijnVdSbrobostigon-quas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jd1Ih8EUmw12:42
brobostigon-quasthank you :)12:42
mungbeandavmor2: yeah, i was wondering if nautilus did it, but i think filezila will need to be installing ...ftps12:42
AlanBell\o/ brobostigon-quas that is great12:43
brobostigon-quasthank you Alan12:43
AlanBelldirecthex: I hadn't seen the clubcard voucher price, but it is quite a good deal even for cash12:43
brobostigon-quasbeer all round for everyone12:46
MooDooo/12:46
ali1234is the tesco tablet any good though?12:51
ali1234cos i mean you can buy a cheap nasty tablet for £60 fairly easily12:51
AlanBellali1234: apparently it is OK. 7 inch tablet, 1440x900 micro hdmi out, 16GB storage12:53
mungbeani wonder what data gathering they will do12:53
ali1234none after i put cyanogenmod on it12:53
mungbeanclubcard is a huge data operation12:53
mungbeanhave a stomach upset but can't safely get home from the office :'(12:56
diploTo bad to drive mungbean ?12:57
popeyimmodium requirement?12:58
* popey updates daughters phone to ios712:58
diploMy girlfriend updated his earlier, took over 2 hours!12:58
diplolast night*12:59
mgdm'his'? :)12:59
mungbeantoo bad to manage 60 minute journey :(12:59
MartijnVdSmgdm: it's all possible these days12:59
diplohah mgdm12:59
diplo<-- Honestly needs to go back to bed12:59
mungbeanbox.net upgraded my free account to 100GB12:59
MartijnVdShttp://www.androidauthority.com/blackberry-out-of-consumer-market-271640/13:00
diploblimey nice MartijnVdS13:02
diplooops mungbean *13:02
mungbeanit was lame until i realised the ftps connection worked13:03
mungbeanwas forced to use their lame web interface before, which is no use for uploading larger folders13:03
diploI've never looked at ox.net13:04
diplobox*13:04
mungbeanstrangely i don't have imodium on me :(13:04
* mungbean wants to curl up into a ball and cry13:04
diploYou work in a education place don't you ?13:05
mungbeanyesh13:05
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diploNot got a nurse, or area where someone may have some ?13:05
mungbeanmeh, better going to the chemist13:05
mungbeanbut thats away from safe place13:05
MartijnVdSdial-a-chemist?13:05
mungbeandial a hug13:06
MartijnVdSmungbean: they have websites for that13:07
popeyget a co-worker to go for you?13:08
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popeybigcalm: how much was your galaxy nexus?13:30
popeythey're ~140 on ebay13:31
directhexwhy buy a gnex for £140 when a nex4 is £160?13:32
popeyI already have two nex413:32
popeyi need a gnex13:32
popeymight wander down to cex later13:33
SuperMattthe fact you want more of them suggests that ubuntu touch is coming along quite nicely :)13:34
popeyits more that I want to test it on each device13:34
SuperMattfair enough13:34
davmor2popey: ebay is possibly cheaper13:35
popeyYeah.13:36
popeyOh, today is steam announce day isn't it?13:36
davmor2popey: I think I paid 5-10 more than bigcalm including his PP13:36
popeyhttp://en.oppo.com/products/n1/13:36
ali1234found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKUPBr0eY6Y13:44
czajkowskialoha13:48
davmor2ali1234: it's still not as good as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiYuq6Ac3a013:50
ali1234damn that's the cheesiest thing i've ever heard13:53
mgdmhah, that's awesome13:54
davmor2ali1234: I know but best of it is it's still in my head from my amiga days so 26+ ish years13:56
davmor2but then so is agggaddddoooo do do, the chicken song, land of make believe etc13:58
mgdmNooooooooooooooooooooooooo13:58
ali1234http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-VJeVPeawk13:59
davmor2mgdm: We have a bad taste music playoff from time to time I always seem to win I don't know why :D14:00
SuperMattso... surface 2. Do we think that surface failed because no one really wanted an ARM device, especially not business, which is who would normally buy up all this stuff14:00
mgdmAlso Win8 is pants, Win8 RT is pants squared14:01
davmor2mgdm: hey that's not fair.... pant are useful14:01
SuperMattbut win8 isn't pants for tablets14:02
SuperMattwell14:02
SuperMattactually I don't know that for sure14:02
SuperMattbecause no one actually owns one, so I can't tell14:02
mgdmit is14:02
mgdmheh14:02
mgdmwe have some in here. if you need to do anything remotely fiddly to your network settings, you get dumped into the desktop14:03
davmor2SuperMatt: I do it has the same issues as the desktop version only you can touch the screen,  so all the things that users hate about the desktop version are equally as bad on the tablet version14:03
SuperMattit is a bit lols in server 2013 that you have the start screen but *everything* you do dumps you back to the desktop14:03
davmor2SuperMatt: and that is the issue on the desktop version and the tablet version14:04
SuperMatthere's hoping canonical get the convergence thing right14:04
davmor2SuperMatt: It's certainly better :)14:05
SuperMattyarr, not trying to directly map everything from tablet to desktop and vice versa seems to be the right way to go14:06
SuperMattman, I haven't had vice versas for a long time14:06
SuperMattdo those still exist?14:06
ali1234pants for tablets?14:06
ali1234like, tablet pants?14:07
SuperMattyeah, sure14:07
SuperMattsomething like that14:07
ali1234http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/ipad-2-tactical-pants.jpeg14:07
ali1234oh btw not everything in win8 dumps you to the desktop. try setting up a VPN. it would be better if it did, but it's all metro14:09
davmor2ali1234: no but any app that you add that isn't from microsofts store pretty much dumps you into desktop mode, and then so do most of the commonly used windows apps, device manager, update manager, control panel, cmd, etc etc14:12
ali1234yeah but as soon as you click things in control panel it takes you to the ridiculous metro sidebar thing14:12
ali1234constant ping ponging all over the place14:12
ali1234it's horrible14:12
davmor2ali1234: indeed this was my point, don't compare it to pants, pants are useful14:13
ali1234yes, see image ^14:13
TheOpenSourcererlol: http://www.buzzfeed.com/benrosen/6-castles-that-cost-less-than-an-apartment-in-nyc14:27
Myrttisuddenly I feel really good about renting my studio flat in the Finnish burbs14:43
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directhexi feel really good about large quantities of premium rum14:57
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* mungbean made it home safely15:01
* davmor2 think that is just the rum talking directhex 15:02
popeyhttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/117421627/the-peachy-printer-the-first-100-3d-printer-and-sc15:02
popey*boggle*15:02
mungbeandirecthex: did you notice your box.net account is now 100GB ?15:02
directhexmungbean, no. i am still not a real user of cloud storage15:03
Myrttipopey: huhwhat15:03
Myrttipopey: did I read the price right?15:04
popeyindeed15:04
mgdmpopey: I've heard it said that photosensitive resin is the way forward for 3D stuff15:04
mgdmand that the reprap-style extrusion thing is a bit of a hack :-)15:04
directhexall 3d printing is price-limited by fiercely guarded patents15:04
mungbeandirecthex: i'm tempted to use it for storing large encrypted tar files though15:05
mgdmI've heard also that some of those expire soon15:05
mungbeanwho owns the patents?15:05
directhex3D Systems Inc, i think15:06
mungbeani should have stayed in bed today. kettle blew up, power went out, smashed my favourite 18 yrs old pint glass, cut my finger, spent rest of time in the bathroom with stomach upset, scary journey home15:06
mungbeannow back in bed15:06
directhexrelated note: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-2043403115:06
ali1234have formlabs actually sold any of those printers?15:10
ali1234if not, how can they have infringed any patents?15:11
mgdmthoughtcrime, if you believe the lawyers15:11
ali1234it looks like they have sold some15:12
ali1234the campaign ended a year ago and they were supposed to ship in march15:12
directhexwhat kind of deviant works at the patent office? well, one patent office worker helped develop nukes, which killed millions. *that* kind of deviant.15:14
mgdmheh15:15
mungbeanso, i'm uploading some personal stuff to a cloud provider for backup purposes, maybe 2GB files at a time, what the best way i should encrypt them?15:24
SuperMattyou can create a bunch of 2GB truecrypt containers15:25
mgdmI'd probably just use tarballs and gpg 'em15:28
mgdmunless you really want a pile of filesystems15:28
mungbeanyeah, thinking of GPG15:28
* SuperMatt starts throwing things at his PC15:34
SuperMattit's been a couple of days now and I *still* can't get lxc bridged networking to work15:35
diddledanthat's never healthy15:35
SuperMattI don't know if I'm missing something/the implementation is broken/doing it in a bunch of vms is what's causing the issue15:36
daftykinslxc?15:39
SuperMattlinux containers15:39
davmor2SuperMatt: I think iirc stgraber did a video on youtube for that let me have a dig for you15:39
diddledandaftykins: it's a more compatible system akin to openvz15:39
davmor2daftykins: somewhere between a chroot and a full blown vm.   Chroot on steroids :)15:40
diddledanuses standard linuxy tech such as process groups and the like15:40
daftykinsoh that sort of software segmentation thing15:40
daftykinsja15:40
SuperMattbasically it's a form of virtualisation that doesn't virtualise the *whole* machine, instead it uses your kernel, a chroot and a virtualised network interface15:40
SuperMattso it has less overheads15:40
daftykins*nod*15:40
daftykinsvaguely read of, sounds fun15:41
SuperMattbut you're limited to that version of the kernel, you can't virtualise another OS15:41
directhexSuperMatt, have you ever done bridge networking?15:41
SuperMattI thought I had, but maybe I really actually haven't15:41
SuperMattI used to bridge networks for virtualbox and kvm15:41
SuperMattbut I'm not doing anything different this time around15:41
directhexbrctl show ?15:42
SuperMattunless it's that different thing I'm now doing wrong15:42
SuperMatt'ang on15:42
SuperMattgonna have to do some crazy weird stuff now to be able to paste in my brctl15:43
diddledanbrctl show | pastebinit15:43
SuperMattsure sure15:43
SuperMattok, give me a second while I rejig stuff to how ti was15:44
SuperMatthttp://paste.ubuntu.com/614601015:45
directhexthat looks weird15:46
SuperMattit does?15:46
diddledanlooks normal to me15:47
ali1234does anyone know a java program that puts an icon in the system tray (the legacy gnome one) and is in the repos?15:47
SuperMattthere's some download managers15:47
SuperMattI think15:47
SuperMattcan't remember which one15:47
directhexSuperMatt, well, depends on what ethernet device the lxc interfaces get attached to. if it's lxcbr0 then that bridges to nothing, so goes nowhere15:48
SuperMattno, it's connecting to br015:48
SuperMattor at least it should be15:48
SuperMattI wonder if it's being superseeded by what's in /etc/lxc.config15:49
diddledanlxcbr0 is usually a NATted service15:49
SuperMattyarr15:49
diddledanhence why it bridges to nowy15:49
diddledannowt*15:49
SuperMattlemme try editing the default lxc config15:49
daftykinsheh, seems the same as all virt i use, i turn off the NAT setup entirely :D15:50
SuperMattyeah, don't want nat ;)15:50
SuperMattI've got a very specific set up in mind which requires the power of lxc15:51
SuperMattali1234: ignore my java download thingy idea, there's got to be something better15:51
ali1234yeah i know jdownloader puts an icon in the tray but it's not in the repos15:52
SuperMattthat's the one I was thinking of15:52
ali1234and it causes a bug, but in order to report bug i must be able to reproduce it with repository software :P15:52
SuperMattstill hasn't worked :(15:52
SuperMattI'm pretty damn certain that the container is using eth015:52
SuperMattwhat's stp and should it be on?15:53
diddledanstp = spanning tree protocol15:55
mgdmyou probably don't need it there15:55
SuperMattI wonder if *maybe* this VM I'm doing my testing in just can't handle the almighty power of lxc network bridging15:56
SuperMattbut of course, I don't really like testing something like bridging on the network proper15:56
davmor2SuperMatt: there is this in the serverguide to stgraber get back to me :) https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/lxc.html15:57
SuperMattyeah, I've been through this :(15:58
SuperMattit's working!16:01
SuperMattI had to turn of permiscuous mode in virtualbox16:01
SuperMattthanks for your help guys :)16:01
daftykins:O16:04
daftykinspromiscuous? what kind of setting was that?16:04
daftykinsnetwork adapter mode?16:04
mgdmyes16:04
SuperMattah, I also had to have stp on16:05
mgdmit sets a NIC to receive all traffic going past, not ust that destined for it (wireshark and tcpdump use this, for example)16:05
daftykinsah yes16:05
SuperMattI *think* that outside virtualbox I wouldn't actually need it16:05
daftykinsmgdm: indeed, i think that was a driver element for waaaaaaay back in the day WEP cracking XD16:05
daftykinsthough obviously with wireless adapters. i tend to be more on vmware than virtualbox16:06
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popeyooh http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/17:19
daftykinscontroversial indeed17:20
bigcalmGood evening peeps :)17:20
DJonesHmmh, wonderng whether to buy one of the new Tesco Tablets as a surprise for my wife17:21
daftykinsi'd be concerned about OS support in the future17:23
popeySurpsie! Here's something that won't get any updates!17:23
popey*surprise17:24
DJonesTo be honest, I'm not sure she'd notice that17:24
DJonesWhat else is there thats comparable on a price basis17:24
awilkinsSteamOS17:24
awilkinsOops, totally out of context17:25
awilkinsSo, SteamOS is Ubuntu with a skin, right?17:25
daftykinsDJones: i just mean in terms or it having some longevity y'know?17:27
popeyI fully expect my nexus 7 to stop getting updates soon17:28
DJonesdaftykins: Women are meant to expect longevity in electronic devices? Thats a new one on me, she's lucky to get a phone that works all trhough its contract17:28
ali1234SteamOS... do believe i predicted that one17:28
awilkinsI think we all did when they started porting games to Linux17:29
awilkinsI always thought "XboxOS" would be a good seller for MS17:29
ali1234windows already is that17:29
awilkinsYeah, but there's a lot of cruft that you don't need to play the games17:30
ali1234anyway... SteamOS won't be ubuntu with a skin17:30
awilkinsI wonder what the TV stuff will be like17:31
ali1234it might well be 12.04 with no UI at all, just a full screen steam client17:31
ali1234the TV stuff is already available17:31
ali1234it's called big picture17:31
awilkinsI don't mean the TV oriented UI, I mean MythTV but with Valve paying for developers17:31
ali1234video streaming?17:32
ali1234they're going to put TV shows on steam then?17:32
popeyi dont think it says anything about that17:32
popeyit says "media services you know"17:32
gordonjcpoh hell yes17:32
popeywhich basically means hulu and netflix17:32
ali1234"We’re working with many of the media services you know and love. Soon we  will begin bringing them online, allowing you to access your favorite  music and video with Steam and SteamOS."17:32
gordonjcpsteam + netflix17:32
gordonjcpI'll have that, I'll have that *now*17:32
daftykinsDJones: heh, fair enough.17:33
popeyyeah, I'd be interested in a box that did all that17:33
ali1234it could mean anything from enabling silverlight in the steam browser up to full integration into steam17:33
ali1234what i would like to see is a return to the time of games-on-bootable-media17:35
ali1234where you buy a memory stick, plug it in, and it boots a preconfigured OS that just works17:36
ali1234you don't have to worry about whether the game will still work on the next version of whatever17:36
ali1234so this steamOS thingy could be pretty close to that17:37
awilkins!ping17:53
lubotu3pong!17:53
ali1234is anyone else having this problem with launchpad openid where it doesn't redirect to the page you wanted to log in to?18:20
ali1234instead it just stops on a blank page18:20
davmor2ali1234: nope, try flushing your cookies for LP18:30
ali1234looks like it's a problem with firefox18:30
ali1234if i press "view source" on the blank page, and the press "try again" i see the source of the stack exchange site with me logged in18:31
ali1234so for some reason firefox redirect is broken18:31
ali1234hmm i tried to delete lp cookies and firefox crashed18:32
daftykinsD:18:32
daftykinsthat's no good18:33
ali1234well i do hope my profile isn't messed up18:33
daftykinsthat's the first thing i always test :)18:34
ali1234hmm got it deleted18:34
ali1234now it works18:34
ali1234so anyway i just wanted to share this silly question i found on stack exchange: http://movies.stackexchange.com/q/14049/620518:35
daftykinswow.18:36
daftykinsi've totally pondered that before but i've not felt the need to ask others XD18:37
daftykinsnor still been puzzled after a few seconds of thought :D18:37
bigcalmali1234: in a recent 8 out of 10 cats does count down, we saw the clock reverse after partly counting down18:41
quantumpantshay guys18:42
zleaphi18:43
popeyali1234: i have seen the countdown clock return19:08
popeyali1234: it continues quickly clockwise19:08
ali1234answer the question then :)19:08
ali1234i just thought it was funny that anyone would care enough to ask on SE19:09
popeyhttp://www.ukgameshows.com/ukgs/Countdown19:10
popey" The hand moves clockwise all the way round back to the top."19:10
DJonesDamm, does this mean AlanChicken is suddenly rich http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2425213/Outrage-academics-handed-2m-study-humans-interact-CHICKENS.html19:13
shaunosteamos looks like it's targetting 12.04.2.  makes sense I guess19:13
popeyali1234: it failed to log me in in chromium too19:16
popey"Movies & TV Stack Exchange requires cookies for authentication -- are your browser cookies enabled for this domain?"19:16
ali1234with launchpad openid?19:18
gortblastquit19:18
bigcalmAlmost19:19
popeyhm, steambox will be nvidia based?19:27
MartijnVdS:(19:28
bigcalmI've had more joy with nvidia than ati, so I'm okay with this19:29
mungbeanwhere d'ya read that popey ?19:29
daftykinsbigcalm: +119:29
mungbeani assumed it would be tbh19:29
MartijnVdSbigcalm: nvidia are annoying about specs, ati aren't.19:29
popeylibvdpau in their repo19:30
MartijnVdSbigcalm: broadcom is similar with their wifi chips19:30
popeyand nvidia drivers and stuff19:30
mungbeannvidia have longest history of consistently producing a working driver19:30
bigcalmI'm still happy when other people make things work, whatever the hardware :)19:30
ali1234making a linux game console with anything other than nvidia would be completely stupid19:30
daftykinsdoes steam on Linux provide opengl only, or was there some kind of DirectX hash-up?19:30
ali1234but i still think they won't make their own hardware... there will be multiple steamboxes19:30
daftykinss/was/is/19:30
MartijnVdSali1234: sure, if you have the money for a proper support contract nvidia is probably very workable19:31
ali1234steamOS is for game consoles what android is for phones19:31
ali1234daftykins: there's no directX wrapping afaik19:31
ali1234it's generally expected that you will use a higher level engine than that anyway19:31
ali1234like unity, unreal, source, monogame etc19:32
popeylooks like steamos is based on 12.0419:33
ali1234i have to say that of all the different engines in the games i;ve played on linux, monogame ones are by far the easiest to make work properly. usually it involves nothing at all.19:33
ali1234they also seem to be the most likely to run at 60fps, though that might be a result of being targeted at xbox19:34
shaunopopey, you're poking around the hometest repo?19:34
popeyyeah19:34
shaunotrying to figure out what valve-recovery is.  it's quite large & recent, and most the other packages are boring19:35
popeyyeah19:35
ali1234name seems quite self-explanatory19:36
ali1234hmm... you know what would be really funny?19:37
shaunoI'm just nosey because it's over 100meg, making it the largest package by far.  so of course nosey wants to see what's in it :)19:37
ali1234if they put all open source software into steam "applications" section19:37
ali1234so you could boot steamOS and install gnome19:38
ali1234ubuntu would have some serious competition if that happened19:38
shaunohm, there you go.  valve-recovery is clonezilla, freedos, and a 90meg squashfs19:39
daftykinswith all these upcoming changes, i wish Valve would fork the Steam client so we don't have to keep downloading updates for features we don't even use19:39
daftykinsi guess fork isn't the right term there, but *shrug*19:40
daftykinsit's annoying to keep downloading updates for Big Picture when i have no intention of using it on my desktop PC :>19:40
mungbeanhopefully they will use deltas instead of big update packages19:43
popey\o/ Ubuntu Touch uses deltas19:43
daftykinsi'd rather just see different packages19:44
mungbeanblackberry sold to private company?19:54
mungbeanwhere stocks have fallen from a high of $148 in June 2008 and now languish at about $8 a share. On the announcement, BlackBerry stock rose a modest 2% to $8.85 a share, giving the company a market value of $4.65bn.19:55
daftykinsthey be dead at last, but what will emerge?19:58
popeythey will likely carry on with corporate customers20:00
popeyrather than consumers20:00
mungbeanstill worth $5b :S20:02
mungbeanwhat is this horrific programme20:20
mungbeanfried chicken shop20:20
Azelphurhere's a little entertainment for you folks, try and figure out which OS this phone is running http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Black-4-8-smart-phone-with-Android-4-1-high-cost-performance-full-touch-8GB-/221279152193?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item338543e841 :P20:53
daftykins*click*20:53
popeyhah20:54
Azelphurhehe20:54
daftykinslol20:54
daftykinswth @ the 'Windows Phone' on the back20:55
Azelphurlook at the photo with the map on it20:55
daftykinsXD20:55
daftykinsit's a 3-in-1!20:56
Azelphuramazing what they can cram iOS onto these days20:56
Azelphurhehe20:56
daftykins;)20:56
Azelphurspotted it this morning while on the hunt for interesting cheap android phones20:56
daftykinsdespite your aiming for that, i still cringe @ 512MB RAM20:58
diddledanI like that it's listed as "high cost"21:00
daftykinsheh the seller probably meant "high cost / performance"21:00
daftykinssomeone linked to this in the main channel the other day, seems handy - http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/21:00
daftykinsdefault repository generator21:00
diddledanthat doesn't make it sound any better21:00
daftykinsi'm sure you guys don't need such things, but meh21:01
Azelphurhehe, 512 is actually reasonably ok for most android versions21:01
Azelphurmy favourite budget phone at current is still the Huawei Ascend Y300 though, The Tesco hudl looks very interesting on the android side, if not the Nexus 7.21:02
daftykinsnot for 4+ :(21:03
bigcalmI wonder if I should get Hayley a Hudl. Would it be an improvement over my Xoom 10" tablet that she complains is a little slugish with facebook?21:04
Azelphurdaftykins: huh?21:04
Azelphurbigcalm: which xoom 10" tablet?21:04
bigcalmAzelphur: 1st one21:05
Azelphurhttp://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_xoom_media_edition_mz505-4307.php this one?21:05
bigcalmAzelphur: the specs seem right, yes21:06
Azelphurbigcalm: specs actually look ok on that, I'd be inclined to reflash it, get rid of all the motorola crud, it'd probably go a lot faster.21:07
bigcalmMaybe so21:07
bigcalmIt's nice to give one's other half a present though :)21:08
bigcalmSo that she can use it as her own21:08
Azelphurtrue :)21:08
Azelphurbigcalm: the hudl is significantly faster (by around 2x, based on the specs I read) although I haven't looked much into it21:08
bigcalmActually, I think I'll put stock Android on there and see what fun we can get up to21:08
Azelphuryea, that's what I'd recommend21:09
Azelphurpointless to toss a perfectly good tablet, the specs are still current and respectable.21:09
bigcalmI wouldn't toss it. I want a tablet for my own use again ;)21:09
Azelphurhave a nose over at http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=948 and see if you can find an OS that suits you21:10
Azelphurjust spotted this, oO http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=113866121:11
bigcalmSo the Hudl isn't available yet, it's only been announced?21:16
AlanBellbigcalm: end of the month apparently21:16
bigcalmI see21:17
AlanBellwonder how many clubcard vouchers we have21:17
* bigcalm needs toys to throw money away on21:17
bigcalmAlanBell: we've been converting all of our points into Cafe Rouge meals21:17
popeyI should get an early night. Code Club tomorrow21:18
bigcalmToodles21:18
AlanBellwe have maybe £11.50 in vouchers21:26
bigcalmx2 for in-store goods or x4 for Cafe Rouge/Pizza Express21:30
bigcalmI know which my tummy would choose21:30
dogmatic69yey virgin http://i.imgur.com/9uTT8Rj.png22:36
daftykins^_^22:37
bigcalmIn the process of making my Xoom a GED. Device is now running 3.122:43
bigcalmThis may take some time for all of the updates22:43
dogmatic69First time I have ever had broadband that actually matched the advertised speed. sometimes even higher22:43
bigcalmdogmatic69: ah, you went for the 120mb connection?22:44
dogmatic6910022:45
dogmatic69but often get 11022:45
bigcalmGood show22:45
bigcalmGot the Tivo as well?22:45
bigcalmI haven't managed to convince Hayley that we should get the Tivo upgrade22:45
dogmatic69http://www.speedtest.net/result/2987282023.png22:46
dogmatic69well I need to order it tbh, cant get sky due to a ~15 story block of flats across the road22:47
dogmatic69directly in the line of the sat signals22:47
bigcalmI'm on my laptop's wifi at the moment and would get a rubbish result22:48
dogmatic69lot of money though, works out at £100p/m with broadband22:48
bigcalmOuch22:48
bigcalmTorrent everything :P22:48
dogmatic69lol22:49
dogmatic69torrented the F1 (gf is still paying sky so its sort of ok I guess) but had no damn sound :/22:49
dogmatic69ended up watching the highlights on iplayer22:50
bigcalmXoom now on 3.2.1 and it's time for the next update to install22:51
bigcalmOuch22:51
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bigcalmOoo, this update it 81.2MB big. I'm guessing the tablet will now get 4.0.422:56
bigcalmFunky new starting animation, looking good22:58
bigcalmI was wrong: 4.0.322:59
bigcalmNow downloading 4.0.423:00
bigcalmAnd with that I'll be where I was at the start of the evening23:00
bigcalmHope I can go further :)23:00
bigcalmWeee, it's downloading 4.1.123:05
bigcalmdogmatic69: has your gf moved to Telford as well?23:06
dogmatic69bigcalm: yep23:18
bigcalmNice of her :)23:22
bigcalmAww, no more updates after 4.1.223:22
bigcalmI wonder if Google have dropped the Xoom get their GED list23:22

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