[07:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning Ratfans ;-) (See what I did there?)
[07:32] <AlanBell> Daviey: \o/
[07:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning AlanBell
[07:32] <AlanBell> morning
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> Morning everyone
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> Daviey: The RAT train? Does it also have an LCD display and a PIN number? :P
[07:57] <DJones> Morning all
[08:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> So how was the RAT then? Sorry I missed it but I was being entertained by a bunch of very petty female open source developers from Albania
[08:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\petty\pretty
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: you might get in trouble with the CoC for saying it like that ;)
[08:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> But they were pretty. That's a compliment.
[08:18] <AlanBell> RAT was great :)
[08:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:18] <AlanBell> o/ czajkowski
[08:24] <mungbean> has anyone read the new linkedin TOS?
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> I guess it's a PoS?
[08:31] <mungbean> i don't trsut those guys
[08:31] <mungbean> even if you create a fake account, your main account soon suggests them as a friend
[08:31] <mungbean> suggesting access to gmail contacts, or checking cookies /IP address
[08:42] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:44] <SuperMatt> morning MooDoo
[08:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Checkers Day! :)
[08:49] <SuperMatt> as in the game?
[08:49] <SuperMatt> which normal people call draughts
[08:49] <mungbean> my kettle is tripping the main breaker switch in the house rather than the one for the downstairs plug sockets - whats all that abot?
[08:49] <SuperMatt> stuff's messed up, yo.
[08:50] <mgdm> mungbean: means you need a new kettle :-)
[08:50] <mungbean> it is 15 days old
[08:50] <mgdm> means it needs to go back to the shop, and you get a new kettle... :-)
[08:51] <mungbean> but why doesn't it trip the first fuse?
[08:51] <mgdm> Not sure. Does the main one have an RCD and that one not?
[08:51] <mungbean> they all have trip switches
[08:51] <mungbean> downstairs lights, downstairs plugs , etc
[08:52] <mungbean> unless the downstairs plugs don't...i was dark of course
[08:52] <mungbean> no power
[08:55] <diplo> Only reason I'd say it's blowing is it's pulling more than the amperage of the trip, so that Circuit breaker is 32amp and it's pulling more than that on that breaker combined when it went off
[08:55] <diplo> Could be to a faulty kettle, could be something else causing it though
[08:59] <diplo> Anyone changed an iPhone screen ( think it's a 4? )
[08:59] <mgdm> I've not personally but I've seen a 4S done
[08:59] <mgdm> not *hard*, but extremely fiddly
[08:59] <diplo> Seem simple enough? My girlfriend dropped hers at the weekend
[09:00] <diplo> Crack from top to the bottom right, just 1 line.. it's not the end but she's not happy :/
[09:00] <mgdm> she can fix it then :-)
[09:00] <diplo> Found for £19.99 on ebay
[09:01] <diplo> hah, yeah not a chance. Going to check how much local people charge to do it. If it's not to fiddly I'm happy to do it, will watch a few YouTube vids I guess
[09:03] <mgdm> IIRC it took over an hour
[09:03] <diplo> Oh :/
[09:03] <mgdm> not *hard*, but you have to strip the phone right down
[09:04] <mgdm> and you need a set of odd-shaped screwdrivers (which are eBayable)
[09:05] <Myrtti> hello sweetiepies ♥
[09:06] <diplo> yeah seems to come with the £19 purchase
[09:06] <diplo> Watching a vid now, hi Myrtti
[09:06] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:06] <Myrtti> first proper day at work after the shock of getting a job
[09:06] <Myrtti> this is mindblowing
[09:07] <mungbean> on irc already?
[09:07] <Myrtti> mungbean: they've not managed to give me an email address even yet
[09:07] <Myrtti> (and some of my coworkers are in fact in IRC)
[09:08] <mgdm> Myrtti: where you working, if you don't mind me being noseY? :)
[09:09] <Myrtti> mgdm: it's a free high school (or that's what they call themselves) that have open source projects related to teaching, studying and research
[09:10] <mgdm> ah, cool
[09:10] <Myrtti> learning environments, project paradigm based school administration software etc
[09:11] <Myrtti> just sent some information on what kind of laptop I'd want if I am given one and have a chance of humbly request something
[09:11] <popey> diplo: I took my iphone 4s into a local phone shop and they did it for me
[09:12] <mungbean> i just broke my pint glass from 1995 UMIST beer festival :(
[09:14] <brobostigon> :(
[09:14] <mungbean> and sliced my finger :(
[09:14] <mungbean> can't ask for a plaster or they will get all bureaucratic on me
[09:15] <diplo> popey: ta, just phoned a local PC/repair place they do it for £59. Is that around what you paid ?
[09:15] <popey> diplo: mine was back screen so no
[09:15] <popey> back glass..
[09:16] <diplo> ah right ok
[09:16] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:22] <diplo> Morning bigcalm
[09:25] <bigcalm> Trying to ignore work emails when one is on holiday is very difficult
[09:26] <mungbean> different accout or same?
[09:28] <mungbean> i just don't open the email app
[09:28] <bigcalm> I should have disabled my phone from fetching work email
[09:38] <bigcalm> Myrtti: X13 then?
[09:38] <Myrtti> yup
[09:38] <bigcalm> :)
[09:45] <bigcalm> Who put the south so far away from home?
[09:45] <bigcalm> Not really looking forward to the drive back today
[09:51]  * AlanBell quite likes the look of the Tesco Hudl
[09:52] <mungbean> bad name
[09:53] <mungbean> its like lidl
[09:53] <Azelphur> hmm, eBuyer is trying to sell me things in an amusing way
[09:53] <AlanBell> true, but nice specification and price/spec ratio
[09:54] <Azelphur> sent me an email, subject "Customer, A Special offer just for you: 6 x 100 x3/ sum(a=b)2 + 42 ="
[09:56] <Myrtti> AWWWWWWWW DARNIT
[09:57] <Myrtti> I can't order more Yorkshire tea to Finland from Amazon.co.uk.
[09:57] <Myrtti> well, not the size I'd want
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:06] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:07] <davmor2> bigcalm, popey, AlanBell: good trip on rat?
[10:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: 'ow do mucka
[10:08] <MooDoo> davmor2: alreet lad, good weekend?
[10:08] <davmor2> nicely relaxed to start the week which is good :)
[10:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: morning. Went very well thanks
[10:12] <popey> davmor2: yes, great fun
[10:19] <bigcalm> Time to head norf. See you kids tomorrow
[10:20] <SuperMatt> be careful, it's grim up there
[10:21] <MooDoo> it's lovely up here, well if you can consider the midlands NORF!
[10:24] <Laney> looks grey to me
[10:25] <SuperMatt> it's grey here is the centre of london :(
[10:25] <SuperMatt> someone forgot to tell the clouds it's supposed to be nice and warm today
[10:46] <davmor2> MooDoo: he lives up the road from me so he is down sowf and is coming home so midlands is norf of where he is currently :D
[10:50] <hoover> hi folks
[10:55] <MooDoo> davmor2: then it's lovely and bleak up here ;)
[10:55] <MooDoo> howdy hoover
[11:00] <davmor2> hello hoover
[11:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: indeed, rather than the midlands it should just be called bleak country :D
[11:01] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah it's just over cast at the moment, was foggy earlier.
[11:01] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's a lovely warm shade of grey here :D
[11:03] <MooDoo> nice and cool when I'm on my motorbike :D
[11:59] <popey> seems oppo are launching a new phone - N1 - http://c.youku.com/n1 (live stream in Chinese)
[12:20] <mungbean> any built-in apps for ubuntu handle ftps?
[12:20] <mgdm> ftps as opposed to sftp?
[12:20] <SuperMatt> I think vsftpd is what you're looking for
[12:21] <SuperMatt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/vsftpd
[12:21] <davmor2> mungbean: how do you mean handle and do you mean server or client?
[12:22] <AlanBell> popey: does it have cyanogen mod on it?
[12:22] <popey> looks like their own version of cyanogen called Color OS
[12:23] <popey> I *think*
[12:23] <popey> My chinese isn't great
[12:23] <davmor2> mungbean: if you are just after a client filezilla, server vsftpd
[12:24] <davmor2> mungbean: and if you mean sftp instead of ftps then nautilus can connect to sftp
[12:27] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei92bhNTTlU what is this piece of music called? (other than "theme from super pang germany stage")
[12:29] <popey> google play says "Hold On To Nothing - Daylight Dies" :D
[12:29] <ali1234> google play has told me two different wrong things already
[12:29] <directhex> google play told me prokofiev
[12:30] <ali1234> it told me mozart
[12:30] <ali1234> it's something like this though. all the music from the game is public domain folk/classical
[12:31] <directhex> it sounds german in style
[12:31] <directhex> but it's so long since i studied this stuff
[12:31] <ali1234> it does... sounds like drinking music
[12:33] <directhex> Liszt?
[12:35] <directhex> one of the hungarian rhapsodies
[12:35] <directhex> maybe 6
[12:37] <directhex> or 14
[12:37] <popey> that oppo N1 looks like a nice spec device
[12:38] <popey> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YxnZJ7MISJQ/UkA1O8szZmI/AAAAAAAAHEU/Kv0_N88TIHU/w426-h244/Oppo.jpg
[12:40] <directhex> op, op, op, oppo android style
[12:40] <directhex> also, seen tesco's android tablet?
[12:40] <directhex> £120 cash, 60 quid in clubcard vouchers
[12:41] <brobostigon-quas> I am officially engaged to be married to my beautiful gf Kate.
[12:41] <mungbean> \o/ congrats
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon-quas: congratulations :)
[12:41] <mgdm> brobostigon-quas: congratulations! :D
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon-quas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jd1Ih8EUmw
[12:42] <brobostigon-quas> thank you :)
[12:42] <mungbean> davmor2: yeah, i was wondering if nautilus did it, but i think filezila will need to be installing ...ftps
[12:43] <AlanBell> \o/ brobostigon-quas that is great
[12:43] <brobostigon-quas> thank you Alan
[12:43] <AlanBell> directhex: I hadn't seen the clubcard voucher price, but it is quite a good deal even for cash
[12:46] <brobostigon-quas> beer all round for everyone
[12:46] <MooDoo> o/
[12:51] <ali1234> is the tesco tablet any good though?
[12:51] <ali1234> cos i mean you can buy a cheap nasty tablet for £60 fairly easily
[12:53] <AlanBell> ali1234: apparently it is OK. 7 inch tablet, 1440x900 micro hdmi out, 16GB storage
[12:53] <mungbean> i wonder what data gathering they will do
[12:53] <ali1234> none after i put cyanogenmod on it
[12:53] <mungbean> clubcard is a huge data operation
[12:56] <mungbean> have a stomach upset but can't safely get home from the office :'(
[12:57] <diplo> To bad to drive mungbean ?
[12:58] <popey> immodium requirement?
[12:58]  * popey updates daughters phone to ios7
[12:58] <diplo> My girlfriend updated his earlier, took over 2 hours!
[12:59] <diplo> last night*
[12:59] <mgdm> 'his'? :)
[12:59] <mungbean> too bad to manage 60 minute journey :(
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: it's all possible these days
[12:59] <diplo> hah mgdm
[12:59] <diplo> <-- Honestly needs to go back to bed
[12:59] <mungbean> box.net upgraded my free account to 100GB
[13:00] <MartijnVdS> http://www.androidauthority.com/blackberry-out-of-consumer-market-271640/
[13:02] <diplo> blimey nice MartijnVdS
[13:02] <diplo> oops mungbean *
[13:03] <mungbean> it was lame until i realised the ftps connection worked
[13:03] <mungbean> was forced to use their lame web interface before, which is no use for uploading larger folders
[13:04] <diplo> I've never looked at ox.net
[13:04] <diplo> box*
[13:04] <mungbean> strangely i don't have imodium on me :(
[13:04]  * mungbean wants to curl up into a ball and cry
[13:05] <diplo> You work in a education place don't you ?
[13:05] <mungbean> yesh
[13:05] <diplo> Not got a nurse, or area where someone may have some ?
[13:05] <mungbean> meh, better going to the chemist
[13:05] <mungbean> but thats away from safe place
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> dial-a-chemist?
[13:06] <mungbean> dial a hug
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: they have websites for that
[13:08] <popey> get a co-worker to go for you?
[13:30] <popey> bigcalm: how much was your galaxy nexus?
[13:31] <popey> they're ~140 on ebay
[13:32] <directhex> why buy a gnex for £140 when a nex4 is £160?
[13:32] <popey> I already have two nex4
[13:32] <popey> i need a gnex
[13:33] <popey> might wander down to cex later
[13:34] <SuperMatt> the fact you want more of them suggests that ubuntu touch is coming along quite nicely :)
[13:34] <popey> its more that I want to test it on each device
[13:34] <SuperMatt> fair enough
[13:35] <davmor2> popey: ebay is possibly cheaper
[13:36] <popey> Yeah.
[13:36] <popey> Oh, today is steam announce day isn't it?
[13:36] <davmor2> popey: I think I paid 5-10 more than bigcalm including his PP
[13:36] <popey> http://en.oppo.com/products/n1/
[13:44] <ali1234> found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKUPBr0eY6Y
[13:48] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:50] <davmor2> ali1234: it's still not as good as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiYuq6Ac3a0
[13:53] <ali1234> damn that's the cheesiest thing i've ever heard
[13:54] <mgdm> hah, that's awesome
[13:56] <davmor2> ali1234: I know but best of it is it's still in my head from my amiga days so 26+ ish years
[13:58] <davmor2> but then so is agggaddddoooo do do, the chicken song, land of make believe etc
[13:58] <mgdm> Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[13:59] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-VJeVPeawk
[14:00] <davmor2> mgdm: We have a bad taste music playoff from time to time I always seem to win I don't know why :D
[14:00] <SuperMatt> so... surface 2. Do we think that surface failed because no one really wanted an ARM device, especially not business, which is who would normally buy up all this stuff
[14:01] <mgdm> Also Win8 is pants, Win8 RT is pants squared
[14:01] <davmor2> mgdm: hey that's not fair.... pant are useful
[14:02] <SuperMatt> but win8 isn't pants for tablets
[14:02] <SuperMatt> well
[14:02] <SuperMatt> actually I don't know that for sure
[14:02] <SuperMatt> because no one actually owns one, so I can't tell
[14:02] <mgdm> it is
[14:02] <mgdm> heh
[14:03] <mgdm> we have some in here. if you need to do anything remotely fiddly to your network settings, you get dumped into the desktop
[14:03] <davmor2> SuperMatt: I do it has the same issues as the desktop version only you can touch the screen,  so all the things that users hate about the desktop version are equally as bad on the tablet version
[14:03] <SuperMatt> it is a bit lols in server 2013 that you have the start screen but *everything* you do dumps you back to the desktop
[14:04] <davmor2> SuperMatt: and that is the issue on the desktop version and the tablet version
[14:04] <SuperMatt> here's hoping canonical get the convergence thing right
[14:05] <davmor2> SuperMatt: It's certainly better :)
[14:06] <SuperMatt> yarr, not trying to directly map everything from tablet to desktop and vice versa seems to be the right way to go
[14:06] <SuperMatt> man, I haven't had vice versas for a long time
[14:06] <SuperMatt> do those still exist?
[14:06] <ali1234> pants for tablets?
[14:07] <ali1234> like, tablet pants?
[14:07] <SuperMatt> yeah, sure
[14:07] <SuperMatt> something like that
[14:07] <ali1234> http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/ipad-2-tactical-pants.jpeg
[14:09] <ali1234> oh btw not everything in win8 dumps you to the desktop. try setting up a VPN. it would be better if it did, but it's all metro
[14:12] <davmor2> ali1234: no but any app that you add that isn't from microsofts store pretty much dumps you into desktop mode, and then so do most of the commonly used windows apps, device manager, update manager, control panel, cmd, etc etc
[14:12] <ali1234> yeah but as soon as you click things in control panel it takes you to the ridiculous metro sidebar thing
[14:12] <ali1234> constant ping ponging all over the place
[14:12] <ali1234> it's horrible
[14:13] <davmor2> ali1234: indeed this was my point, don't compare it to pants, pants are useful
[14:13] <ali1234> yes, see image ^
[14:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol: http://www.buzzfeed.com/benrosen/6-castles-that-cost-less-than-an-apartment-in-nyc
[14:43] <Myrtti> suddenly I feel really good about renting my studio flat in the Finnish burbs
[14:57] <directhex> i feel really good about large quantities of premium rum
[15:01]  * mungbean made it home safely
[15:02]  * davmor2 think that is just the rum talking directhex 
[15:02] <popey> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/117421627/the-peachy-printer-the-first-100-3d-printer-and-sc
[15:02] <popey> *boggle*
[15:02] <mungbean> directhex: did you notice your box.net account is now 100GB ?
[15:03] <directhex> mungbean, no. i am still not a real user of cloud storage
[15:03] <Myrtti> popey: huhwhat
[15:04] <Myrtti> popey: did I read the price right?
[15:04] <popey> indeed
[15:04] <mgdm> popey: I've heard it said that photosensitive resin is the way forward for 3D stuff
[15:04] <mgdm> and that the reprap-style extrusion thing is a bit of a hack :-)
[15:04] <directhex> all 3d printing is price-limited by fiercely guarded patents
[15:05] <mungbean> directhex: i'm tempted to use it for storing large encrypted tar files though
[15:05] <mgdm> I've heard also that some of those expire soon
[15:05] <mungbean> who owns the patents?
[15:06] <directhex> 3D Systems Inc, i think
[15:06] <mungbean> i should have stayed in bed today. kettle blew up, power went out, smashed my favourite 18 yrs old pint glass, cut my finger, spent rest of time in the bathroom with stomach upset, scary journey home
[15:06] <mungbean> now back in bed
[15:06] <directhex> related note: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20434031
[15:10] <ali1234> have formlabs actually sold any of those printers?
[15:11] <ali1234> if not, how can they have infringed any patents?
[15:11] <mgdm> thoughtcrime, if you believe the lawyers
[15:12] <ali1234> it looks like they have sold some
[15:12] <ali1234> the campaign ended a year ago and they were supposed to ship in march
[15:14] <directhex> what kind of deviant works at the patent office? well, one patent office worker helped develop nukes, which killed millions. *that* kind of deviant.
[15:15] <mgdm> heh
[15:24] <mungbean> so, i'm uploading some personal stuff to a cloud provider for backup purposes, maybe 2GB files at a time, what the best way i should encrypt them?
[15:25] <SuperMatt> you can create a bunch of 2GB truecrypt containers
[15:28] <mgdm> I'd probably just use tarballs and gpg 'em
[15:28] <mgdm> unless you really want a pile of filesystems
[15:28] <mungbean> yeah, thinking of GPG
[15:34]  * SuperMatt starts throwing things at his PC
[15:35] <SuperMatt> it's been a couple of days now and I *still* can't get lxc bridged networking to work
[15:35] <diddledan> that's never healthy
[15:36] <SuperMatt> I don't know if I'm missing something/the implementation is broken/doing it in a bunch of vms is what's causing the issue
[15:39] <daftykins> lxc?
[15:39] <SuperMatt> linux containers
[15:39] <davmor2> SuperMatt: I think iirc stgraber did a video on youtube for that let me have a dig for you
[15:39] <diddledan> daftykins: it's a more compatible system akin to openvz
[15:40] <davmor2> daftykins: somewhere between a chroot and a full blown vm.   Chroot on steroids :)
[15:40] <diddledan> uses standard linuxy tech such as process groups and the like
[15:40] <daftykins> oh that sort of software segmentation thing
[15:40] <daftykins> ja
[15:40] <SuperMatt> basically it's a form of virtualisation that doesn't virtualise the *whole* machine, instead it uses your kernel, a chroot and a virtualised network interface
[15:40] <SuperMatt> so it has less overheads
[15:40] <daftykins> *nod*
[15:41] <daftykins> vaguely read of, sounds fun
[15:41] <SuperMatt> but you're limited to that version of the kernel, you can't virtualise another OS
[15:41] <directhex> SuperMatt, have you ever done bridge networking?
[15:41] <SuperMatt> I thought I had, but maybe I really actually haven't
[15:41] <SuperMatt> I used to bridge networks for virtualbox and kvm
[15:41] <SuperMatt> but I'm not doing anything different this time around
[15:42] <directhex> brctl show ?
[15:42] <SuperMatt> unless it's that different thing I'm now doing wrong
[15:42] <SuperMatt> 'ang on
[15:43] <SuperMatt> gonna have to do some crazy weird stuff now to be able to paste in my brctl
[15:43] <diddledan> brctl show | pastebinit
[15:43] <SuperMatt> sure sure
[15:44] <SuperMatt> ok, give me a second while I rejig stuff to how ti was
[15:45] <SuperMatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6146010
[15:46] <directhex> that looks weird
[15:46] <SuperMatt> it does?
[15:47] <diddledan> looks normal to me
[15:47] <ali1234> does anyone know a java program that puts an icon in the system tray (the legacy gnome one) and is in the repos?
[15:47] <SuperMatt> there's some download managers
[15:47] <SuperMatt> I think
[15:47] <SuperMatt> can't remember which one
[15:48] <directhex> SuperMatt, well, depends on what ethernet device the lxc interfaces get attached to. if it's lxcbr0 then that bridges to nothing, so goes nowhere
[15:48] <SuperMatt> no, it's connecting to br0
[15:48] <SuperMatt> or at least it should be
[15:49] <SuperMatt> I wonder if it's being superseeded by what's in /etc/lxc.config
[15:49] <diddledan> lxcbr0 is usually a NATted service
[15:49] <SuperMatt> yarr
[15:49] <diddledan> hence why it bridges to nowy
[15:49] <diddledan> nowt*
[15:49] <SuperMatt> lemme try editing the default lxc config
[15:50] <daftykins> heh, seems the same as all virt i use, i turn off the NAT setup entirely :D
[15:50] <SuperMatt> yeah, don't want nat ;)
[15:51] <SuperMatt> I've got a very specific set up in mind which requires the power of lxc
[15:51] <SuperMatt> ali1234: ignore my java download thingy idea, there's got to be something better
[15:52] <ali1234> yeah i know jdownloader puts an icon in the tray but it's not in the repos
[15:52] <SuperMatt> that's the one I was thinking of
[15:52] <ali1234> and it causes a bug, but in order to report bug i must be able to reproduce it with repository software :P
[15:52] <SuperMatt> still hasn't worked :(
[15:52] <SuperMatt> I'm pretty damn certain that the container is using eth0
[15:53] <SuperMatt> what's stp and should it be on?
[15:55] <diddledan> stp = spanning tree protocol
[15:55] <mgdm> you probably don't need it there
[15:56] <SuperMatt> I wonder if *maybe* this VM I'm doing my testing in just can't handle the almighty power of lxc network bridging
[15:56] <SuperMatt> but of course, I don't really like testing something like bridging on the network proper
[15:57] <davmor2> SuperMatt: there is this in the serverguide to stgraber get back to me :) https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/lxc.html
[15:58] <SuperMatt> yeah, I've been through this :(
[16:01] <SuperMatt> it's working!
[16:01] <SuperMatt> I had to turn of permiscuous mode in virtualbox
[16:01] <SuperMatt> thanks for your help guys :)
[16:04] <daftykins> :O
[16:04] <daftykins> promiscuous? what kind of setting was that?
[16:04] <daftykins> network adapter mode?
[16:04] <mgdm> yes
[16:05] <SuperMatt> ah, I also had to have stp on
[16:05] <mgdm> it sets a NIC to receive all traffic going past, not ust that destined for it (wireshark and tcpdump use this, for example)
[16:05] <daftykins> ah yes
[16:05] <SuperMatt> I *think* that outside virtualbox I wouldn't actually need it
[16:05] <daftykins> mgdm: indeed, i think that was a driver element for waaaaaaay back in the day WEP cracking XD
[16:06] <daftykins> though obviously with wireless adapters. i tend to be more on vmware than virtualbox
[17:19] <popey> ooh http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/
[17:20] <daftykins> controversial indeed
[17:20] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[17:21] <DJones> Hmmh, wonderng whether to buy one of the new Tesco Tablets as a surprise for my wife
[17:23] <daftykins> i'd be concerned about OS support in the future
[17:23] <popey> Surpsie! Here's something that won't get any updates!
[17:24] <popey> *surprise
[17:24] <DJones> To be honest, I'm not sure she'd notice that
[17:24] <DJones> What else is there thats comparable on a price basis
[17:24] <awilkins> SteamOS
[17:25] <awilkins> Oops, totally out of context
[17:25] <awilkins> So, SteamOS is Ubuntu with a skin, right?
[17:27] <daftykins> DJones: i just mean in terms or it having some longevity y'know?
[17:28] <popey> I fully expect my nexus 7 to stop getting updates soon
[17:28] <DJones> daftykins: Women are meant to expect longevity in electronic devices? Thats a new one on me, she's lucky to get a phone that works all trhough its contract
[17:28] <ali1234> SteamOS... do believe i predicted that one
[17:29] <awilkins> I think we all did when they started porting games to Linux
[17:29] <awilkins> I always thought "XboxOS" would be a good seller for MS
[17:29] <ali1234> windows already is that
[17:30] <awilkins> Yeah, but there's a lot of cruft that you don't need to play the games
[17:30] <ali1234> anyway... SteamOS won't be ubuntu with a skin
[17:31] <awilkins> I wonder what the TV stuff will be like
[17:31] <ali1234> it might well be 12.04 with no UI at all, just a full screen steam client
[17:31] <ali1234> the TV stuff is already available
[17:31] <ali1234> it's called big picture
[17:31] <awilkins> I don't mean the TV oriented UI, I mean MythTV but with Valve paying for developers
[17:32] <ali1234> video streaming?
[17:32] <ali1234> they're going to put TV shows on steam then?
[17:32] <popey> i dont think it says anything about that
[17:32] <popey> it says "media services you know"
[17:32] <gordonjcp> oh hell yes
[17:32] <popey> which basically means hulu and netflix
[17:32] <ali1234> "We’re working with many of the media services you know and love. Soon we  will begin bringing them online, allowing you to access your favorite  music and video with Steam and SteamOS."
[17:32] <gordonjcp> steam + netflix
[17:32] <gordonjcp> I'll have that, I'll have that *now*
[17:33] <daftykins> DJones: heh, fair enough.
[17:33] <popey> yeah, I'd be interested in a box that did all that
[17:33] <ali1234> it could mean anything from enabling silverlight in the steam browser up to full integration into steam
[17:35] <ali1234> what i would like to see is a return to the time of games-on-bootable-media
[17:36] <ali1234> where you buy a memory stick, plug it in, and it boots a preconfigured OS that just works
[17:36] <ali1234> you don't have to worry about whether the game will still work on the next version of whatever
[17:37] <ali1234> so this steamOS thingy could be pretty close to that
[17:53] <awilkins> !ping
[18:20] <ali1234> is anyone else having this problem with launchpad openid where it doesn't redirect to the page you wanted to log in to?
[18:20] <ali1234> instead it just stops on a blank page
[18:30] <davmor2> ali1234: nope, try flushing your cookies for LP
[18:30] <ali1234> looks like it's a problem with firefox
[18:31] <ali1234> if i press "view source" on the blank page, and the press "try again" i see the source of the stack exchange site with me logged in
[18:31] <ali1234> so for some reason firefox redirect is broken
[18:32] <ali1234> hmm i tried to delete lp cookies and firefox crashed
[18:32] <daftykins> D:
[18:33] <daftykins> that's no good
[18:33] <ali1234> well i do hope my profile isn't messed up
[18:34] <daftykins> that's the first thing i always test :)
[18:34] <ali1234> hmm got it deleted
[18:34] <ali1234> now it works
[18:35] <ali1234> so anyway i just wanted to share this silly question i found on stack exchange: http://movies.stackexchange.com/q/14049/6205
[18:36] <daftykins> wow.
[18:37] <daftykins> i've totally pondered that before but i've not felt the need to ask others XD
[18:37] <daftykins> nor still been puzzled after a few seconds of thought :D
[18:41] <bigcalm> ali1234: in a recent 8 out of 10 cats does count down, we saw the clock reverse after partly counting down
[18:42] <quantumpants> hay guys
[18:43] <zleap> hi
[19:08] <popey> ali1234: i have seen the countdown clock return
[19:08] <popey> ali1234: it continues quickly clockwise
[19:08] <ali1234> answer the question then :)
[19:09] <ali1234> i just thought it was funny that anyone would care enough to ask on SE
[19:10] <popey> http://www.ukgameshows.com/ukgs/Countdown
[19:10] <popey> " The hand moves clockwise all the way round back to the top."
[19:13] <DJones> Damm, does this mean AlanChicken is suddenly rich http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2425213/Outrage-academics-handed-2m-study-humans-interact-CHICKENS.html
[19:13] <shauno> steamos looks like it's targetting 12.04.2.  makes sense I guess
[19:16] <popey> ali1234: it failed to log me in in chromium too
[19:16] <popey> "Movies & TV Stack Exchange requires cookies for authentication -- are your browser cookies enabled for this domain?"
[19:18] <ali1234> with launchpad openid?
[19:18] <gortblast> quit
[19:19] <bigcalm> Almost
[19:27] <popey> hm, steambox will be nvidia based?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> :(
[19:29] <bigcalm> I've had more joy with nvidia than ati, so I'm okay with this
[19:29] <mungbean> where d'ya read that popey ?
[19:29] <daftykins> bigcalm: +1
[19:29] <mungbean> i assumed it would be tbh
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: nvidia are annoying about specs, ati aren't.
[19:30] <popey> libvdpau in their repo
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: broadcom is similar with their wifi chips
[19:30] <popey> and nvidia drivers and stuff
[19:30] <mungbean> nvidia have longest history of consistently producing a working driver
[19:30] <bigcalm> I'm still happy when other people make things work, whatever the hardware :)
[19:30] <ali1234> making a linux game console with anything other than nvidia would be completely stupid
[19:30] <daftykins> does steam on Linux provide opengl only, or was there some kind of DirectX hash-up?
[19:30] <ali1234> but i still think they won't make their own hardware... there will be multiple steamboxes
[19:30] <daftykins> s/was/is/
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: sure, if you have the money for a proper support contract nvidia is probably very workable
[19:31] <ali1234> steamOS is for game consoles what android is for phones
[19:31] <ali1234> daftykins: there's no directX wrapping afaik
[19:31] <ali1234> it's generally expected that you will use a higher level engine than that anyway
[19:32] <ali1234> like unity, unreal, source, monogame etc
[19:33] <popey> looks like steamos is based on 12.04
[19:33] <ali1234> i have to say that of all the different engines in the games i;ve played on linux, monogame ones are by far the easiest to make work properly. usually it involves nothing at all.
[19:34] <ali1234> they also seem to be the most likely to run at 60fps, though that might be a result of being targeted at xbox
[19:34] <shauno> popey, you're poking around the hometest repo?
[19:34] <popey> yeah
[19:35] <shauno> trying to figure out what valve-recovery is.  it's quite large & recent, and most the other packages are boring
[19:35] <popey> yeah
[19:36] <ali1234> name seems quite self-explanatory
[19:37] <ali1234> hmm... you know what would be really funny?
[19:37] <shauno> I'm just nosey because it's over 100meg, making it the largest package by far.  so of course nosey wants to see what's in it :)
[19:37] <ali1234> if they put all open source software into steam "applications" section
[19:38] <ali1234> so you could boot steamOS and install gnome
[19:38] <ali1234> ubuntu would have some serious competition if that happened
[19:39] <shauno> hm, there you go.  valve-recovery is clonezilla, freedos, and a 90meg squashfs
[19:39] <daftykins> with all these upcoming changes, i wish Valve would fork the Steam client so we don't have to keep downloading updates for features we don't even use
[19:40] <daftykins> i guess fork isn't the right term there, but *shrug*
[19:40] <daftykins> it's annoying to keep downloading updates for Big Picture when i have no intention of using it on my desktop PC :>
[19:43] <mungbean> hopefully they will use deltas instead of big update packages
[19:43] <popey> \o/ Ubuntu Touch uses deltas
[19:44] <daftykins> i'd rather just see different packages
[19:54] <mungbean> blackberry sold to private company?
[19:55] <mungbean> where stocks have fallen from a high of $148 in June 2008 and now languish at about $8 a share. On the announcement, BlackBerry stock rose a modest 2% to $8.85 a share, giving the company a market value of $4.65bn.
[19:58] <daftykins> they be dead at last, but what will emerge?
[20:00] <popey> they will likely carry on with corporate customers
[20:00] <popey> rather than consumers
[20:02] <mungbean> still worth $5b :S
[20:20] <mungbean> what is this horrific programme
[20:20] <mungbean> fried chicken shop
[20:53] <Azelphur> here's a little entertainment for you folks, try and figure out which OS this phone is running http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Black-4-8-smart-phone-with-Android-4-1-high-cost-performance-full-touch-8GB-/221279152193?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item338543e841 :P
[20:53] <daftykins> *click*
[20:54] <popey> hah
[20:54] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:54] <daftykins> lol
[20:55] <daftykins> wth @ the 'Windows Phone' on the back
[20:55] <Azelphur> look at the photo with the map on it
[20:55] <daftykins> XD
[20:56] <daftykins> it's a 3-in-1!
[20:56] <Azelphur> amazing what they can cram iOS onto these days
[20:56] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:56] <daftykins> ;)
[20:56] <Azelphur> spotted it this morning while on the hunt for interesting cheap android phones
[20:58] <daftykins> despite your aiming for that, i still cringe @ 512MB RAM
[21:00] <diddledan> I like that it's listed as "high cost"
[21:00] <daftykins> heh the seller probably meant "high cost / performance"
[21:00] <daftykins> someone linked to this in the main channel the other day, seems handy - http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[21:00] <daftykins> default repository generator
[21:00] <diddledan> that doesn't make it sound any better
[21:01] <daftykins> i'm sure you guys don't need such things, but meh
[21:01] <Azelphur> hehe, 512 is actually reasonably ok for most android versions
[21:02] <Azelphur> my favourite budget phone at current is still the Huawei Ascend Y300 though, The Tesco hudl looks very interesting on the android side, if not the Nexus 7.
[21:03] <daftykins> not for 4+ :(
[21:04] <bigcalm> I wonder if I should get Hayley a Hudl. Would it be an improvement over my Xoom 10" tablet that she complains is a little slugish with facebook?
[21:04] <Azelphur> daftykins: huh?
[21:04] <Azelphur> bigcalm: which xoom 10" tablet?
[21:05] <bigcalm> Azelphur: 1st one
[21:05] <Azelphur> http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_xoom_media_edition_mz505-4307.php this one?
[21:06] <bigcalm> Azelphur: the specs seem right, yes
[21:07] <Azelphur> bigcalm: specs actually look ok on that, I'd be inclined to reflash it, get rid of all the motorola crud, it'd probably go a lot faster.
[21:07] <bigcalm> Maybe so
[21:08] <bigcalm> It's nice to give one's other half a present though :)
[21:08] <bigcalm> So that she can use it as her own
[21:08] <Azelphur> true :)
[21:08] <Azelphur> bigcalm: the hudl is significantly faster (by around 2x, based on the specs I read) although I haven't looked much into it
[21:08] <bigcalm> Actually, I think I'll put stock Android on there and see what fun we can get up to
[21:09] <Azelphur> yea, that's what I'd recommend
[21:09] <Azelphur> pointless to toss a perfectly good tablet, the specs are still current and respectable.
[21:09] <bigcalm> I wouldn't toss it. I want a tablet for my own use again ;)
[21:10] <Azelphur> have a nose over at http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=948 and see if you can find an OS that suits you
[21:11] <Azelphur> just spotted this, oO http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138661
[21:16] <bigcalm> So the Hudl isn't available yet, it's only been announced?
[21:16] <AlanBell> bigcalm: end of the month apparently
[21:17] <bigcalm> I see
[21:17] <AlanBell> wonder how many clubcard vouchers we have
[21:17]  * bigcalm needs toys to throw money away on
[21:17] <bigcalm> AlanBell: we've been converting all of our points into Cafe Rouge meals
[21:18] <popey> I should get an early night. Code Club tomorrow
[21:18] <bigcalm> Toodles
[21:26] <AlanBell> we have maybe £11.50 in vouchers
[21:30] <bigcalm> x2 for in-store goods or x4 for Cafe Rouge/Pizza Express
[21:30] <bigcalm> I know which my tummy would choose
[22:36] <dogmatic69> yey virgin http://i.imgur.com/9uTT8Rj.png
[22:37] <daftykins> ^_^
[22:43] <bigcalm> In the process of making my Xoom a GED. Device is now running 3.1
[22:43] <bigcalm> This may take some time for all of the updates
[22:43] <dogmatic69> First time I have ever had broadband that actually matched the advertised speed. sometimes even higher
[22:44] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: ah, you went for the 120mb connection?
[22:45] <dogmatic69> 100
[22:45] <dogmatic69> but often get 110
[22:45] <bigcalm> Good show
[22:45] <bigcalm> Got the Tivo as well?
[22:45] <bigcalm> I haven't managed to convince Hayley that we should get the Tivo upgrade
[22:46] <dogmatic69> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2987282023.png
[22:47] <dogmatic69> well I need to order it tbh, cant get sky due to a ~15 story block of flats across the road
[22:47] <dogmatic69> directly in the line of the sat signals
[22:48] <bigcalm> I'm on my laptop's wifi at the moment and would get a rubbish result
[22:48] <dogmatic69> lot of money though, works out at £100p/m with broadband
[22:48] <bigcalm> Ouch
[22:48] <bigcalm> Torrent everything :P
[22:49] <dogmatic69> lol
[22:49] <dogmatic69> torrented the F1 (gf is still paying sky so its sort of ok I guess) but had no damn sound :/
[22:50] <dogmatic69> ended up watching the highlights on iplayer
[22:51] <bigcalm> Xoom now on 3.2.1 and it's time for the next update to install
[22:51] <bigcalm> Ouch
[22:56] <bigcalm> Ooo, this update it 81.2MB big. I'm guessing the tablet will now get 4.0.4
[22:58] <bigcalm> Funky new starting animation, looking good
[22:59] <bigcalm> I was wrong: 4.0.3
[23:00] <bigcalm> Now downloading 4.0.4
[23:00] <bigcalm> And with that I'll be where I was at the start of the evening
[23:00] <bigcalm> Hope I can go further :)
[23:05] <bigcalm> Weee, it's downloading 4.1.1
[23:06] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: has your gf moved to Telford as well?
[23:18] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: yep
[23:22] <bigcalm> Nice of her :)
[23:22] <bigcalm> Aww, no more updates after 4.1.2
[23:22] <bigcalm> I wonder if Google have dropped the Xoom get their GED list