[06:25] <jzheng> ping maclin
[06:26] <maclin> jzheng, pong
[08:10] <happyaron> JackYu: 今天的CD生成咋样？
[08:10] <happyaron> maclin: ^
[08:11] <JackYu> happyaron, 64位的可以了，32位还有点问题。
[08:11] <JackYu> 不过刚才cjwatson说是整个系统都出问题了。
[08:12] <happyaron> 没看见i386的log
[08:12] <happyaron> 哦
[08:12] <happyaron> 那就等一下吧
[08:12] <happyaron> JackYu: 能否再找steve/cjwatson弄一下youker-assistant的FFe
[08:12] <happyaron> 要来不及了
[08:13] <JackYu> happyaron, 咱们今天得把default-settings和youker-assistant更新了
[08:13] <JackYu> happyaron, OK
[08:13] <happyaron> JackYu: qimpanel目前还trap在NEW里，因为source和binary各要review一次，现在是binary NEW
[08:14] <smartboyhw> happyaron, binary NEW gets through real quick...
[08:14] <smartboyhw> As long as there are Archive Admins woke up
[08:15] <smartboyhw> If one approves source NEW, there should not be a problem with binary NEW
[08:15] <happyaron> smartboyhw: suspect no one is around
[08:15] <smartboyhw> happyaron, huh?
[08:15] <smartboyhw> I see cjwatson
[08:15] <happyaron> smartboyhw: he's busy and not processing it frequently
[08:16] <happyaron> JackYu: 如果你ping了steve/cjwatson中的任何一个，请他们把qimpanel尽快binNEW吧
[08:16] <JackYu> Ok
[08:16] <happyaron> JackYu: 否则default-settings上传就会出broken dependency
[08:16] <smartboyhw> happyaron, at least you guys got through source NEW, I'm in need of somebody to make uploads
[08:17] <JackYu> smartboyhw, :(
[08:17] <smartboyhw> JackYu, technically, it's Studio packages fixing bugs without requiring NEW
[08:17] <smartboyhw> But i need somebody to upload, IIRC.
[08:17] <smartboyhw> Asked dholbach, says he needs to get through some e-mail before that
[08:31] <JackYu> happyaron, Laney答应晚点看FFe。
[08:32] <happyaron> JackYu: 好的
[08:37] <JackYu> happyaron, New: accepted fcitx-qimpanel
[08:37] <smartboyhw> Congratulations people
[08:37] <happyaron> JackYu: 赞
[08:37] <JackYu> smartboyhw, :), how about yours?
[08:37] <smartboyhw> JackYu, not yet, pinged dholbach again.
[08:41] <happyaron> JackYu: 我比较建议去掉manpages-zh
[08:41] <happyaron> JackYu: 质量真心不好
[08:41] <JackYu> smartboyhw, hope you and happyaron will be u developer soon. 这样就方便了，哈哈。
[08:42] <happyaron> 现在弄起来比较困难啊
[08:42] <happyaron> 两年前很容易，从去年开始变得非常难了。
[08:42] <JackYu> happyaron, 我们以后可以维护这个package
[08:42] <happyaron> 嗯？
[08:42] <smartboyhw> happyaron, no, you should say you hope us to be archive admins :P
[08:42] <smartboyhw> JackYu, ^
[08:43] <JackYu> happyaron, 现在是谁在维护manpages-zh啊？
[08:44] <happyaron> JackYu: 没人
[08:46] <JackYu> happyaron, Chinese Man Pages Project? 现在没人管了？
[08:46] <happyaron> JackYu: 好多年没人理了
[08:47] <smartboyhw> Where's the original webpage?:P
[08:53] <JackYu> 好像找不到了。
[08:57] <happyaron> JackYu: 还保留么？
[08:57]  * happyaron 在准备-default-settings
[08:58] <JackYu> happyaron, 那去掉吧。
[08:58] <happyaron> ok
[08:58] <happyaron> JackYu: rar/unrar 这俩能装么？
[08:59] <JackYu> pishuilu,请将upstream上的manpages-zh去掉。
[08:59] <smartboyhw> JackYu, the manpages-zh won't automatically disappear in Ubuntu
[08:59] <happyaron> p7zip-full可以装，但是rar/unrar这俩可能有问题
[08:59] <smartboyhw> You need to file a bug (and subscribe archive admins) to get it removed in Ubuntu
[09:00] <JackYu> happyaron, 我们测过，rar/unrar有的。
[09:00] <happyaron> JackYu: 我是说，license允许么
[09:00] <JackYu> rar/unrar是什么License?
[09:01] <happyaron> JackYu: 私有，和winrar一样
[09:01] <smartboyhw> That's a suck:P
[09:01] <JackYu> 噢，既然已经在Archieve里面，是否表示我们就可以安装？
[09:02] <happyaron> 不是
[09:02] <happyaron> JackYu: 他的意思是，大家自觉，买了license再装。
[09:02] <happyaron> lol
[09:02] <JackYu> 。。。
[09:02] <happyaron> 允许分发
[09:02] <happyaron> 但不允许没买license就用
[09:03] <JackYu> 那就换成 p7zip-full吧:(
[09:03] <happyaron> ok
[09:03] <JackYu> 好的，我让pishuilu更新一下:)
[09:03] <pishuilu> 好的，我在upstream上改一下
[09:04] <zhangchao_> p7zip会抢zip和unzip功能吗？
[09:04] <happyaron> 貌似不会
[09:04] <happyaron> 会抢就好了？
[09:04] <happyaron> 我直接更新了 lp:ubuntukylin-default-settings
[09:05] <happyaron> p7zip 要是不合适就去掉
[09:05] <happyaron> 但是感觉可能还是得用
[09:05] <zhangchao_> p7zip的zip包也有中文编码问题的，现在必须是zip库生效才能解决那个乱码问题
[09:05] <happyaron> 哪个zip库？
[09:05] <zhangchao_> zip和unzip
[09:06] <happyaron> libzip?
[09:08] <zhangchao_> 就叫zip，zip_3.0-7_i386.deb
[09:09] <happyaron> zip不是库啊
[09:10] <happyaron> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/zip
[09:15] <zhangchao_> 刚试了下，p7zip-full会抢zip的功能，又有乱码了
[09:15] <happyaron> zhangchao_: 那你的意见是不加？ JackYu ?
[09:17] <pishuilu> 我觉得不加得了。rar的解压缩，用户自己装就行了
[09:18] <happyaron> 那干掉。。
[09:23] <happyaron> pishuilu zhangchao  zhangchao_  你们再看一下branch里有没有要改动的了
[09:23] <happyaron> 没有的话我一会儿就传
[09:26] <JackYu> happyaron, 不加p7zip了。
[09:26] <happyaron> 嗯，已经删了
[09:26] <happyaron> 最后看一下行不行，行我就传
[09:26] <happyaron> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntukylin-members/ubuntukylin-default-settings/trunk
[09:27] <JackYu> 我看了一下，应该没问题。
[09:29] <happyaron> 好的
[09:32] <happyaron> JackYu: uploaded 1.0.7
[09:32] <happyaron> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/ubuntukylin-default-settings/1.0.7
[09:32] <JackYu> happyaron, great:)
[09:33] <JackYu> 现在就剩youker-assistant
[09:33] <happyaron> 对
[11:20] <smartboyhw> maclin, you might want a respin so that you can start reporting bugs against Beta 2.
[12:00] <maclin> smartboyhw,yes, but the qatracker does not work now
[12:02] <smartboyhw> maclin, -.-
[12:02] <maclin> cjwatson said the livefs builder down since two days ago
[12:02] <smartboyhw> Anyhow, i386 builds don't work too
[12:03] <maclin> yes, yesterday I ever ask you about the building time. In fact, the i386 didn't build ^_^
[15:12] <happyaron> *.ubuntu.com 这会儿巨慢。。。
[15:13] <smartboyhw> Stupid London DC :P
[15:13] <smartboyhw> happyaron, developer.ubuntu.com is quitequick
[15:14] <happyaron> maybe stupic carrier at my side
[15:14] <happyaron> stupid
[15:17] <JackYu> 时快时慢。
[15:23] <happyaron> 貌似default-settings卡在proposed了
[15:23] <happyaron> 已经final freeze了么？
[15:24] <happyaron> 还是说cjwaston的bot挂了一堆呢
[15:24] <happyaron> 貌似是他的问题
[15:24] <smartboyhw> happyaron, you need a unblock
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Since the Beta 2 freeze is imposed
[15:25] <happyaron> smartboyhw: 什么时候开始的？
[15:25] <smartboyhw> happyaron, this afternoon?
[15:25] <happyaron> smartboyhw: 从ui freeze么？
[15:25] <smartboyhw> See ubuntu-devel-announce
[15:25] <smartboyhw> happyaron, no
[15:25] <smartboyhw> FinalBetaFreeze is another thing
[15:25] <smartboyhw> It means all packages related to flavours having a Beta 2 will be frozen and blocked from entering -releaes
[15:25] <smartboyhw> happyaron, you can ask for a unblock
[15:25] <smartboyhw> in #ubuntu-release
[15:26] <smartboyhw> (ping Riddell might be a better idea)
[15:27] <happyaron> smartboyhw: 就是final beta freeze
[15:28] <happyaron> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-September/001059.html
[15:28] <happyaron> freeze date moved :(
[15:28] <happyaron> JackYu: ^
[15:28] <smartboyhw> happyaron, heh heh heh
[15:29] <JackYu> oh...
[15:29] <happyaron> JackYu: 是找jr还是去-release找人呢？
[15:30] <JackYu> 我记得是说从周二才开始block的。
[15:30] <happyaron> 顺带着 youker-assistant的FFe还木有啊
[15:30] <happyaron> JackYu: colin waston的邮件说提前到欧洲时间的周一
[15:31] <JackYu> happyaron, 好吧。。。
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Who said that it was Tuesday!?
[15:31] <JackYu> happyaron, Laney说他会去处理FFe，但一直没做
[15:32] <JackYu> 我记得有一次邮件中所了
[15:32] <JackYu> 说了
[15:32] <happyaron> 我一直以为26号捏。
[15:32] <JackYu> 26号是Beta2发布
[15:33] <happyaron> 嗯
[15:33] <happyaron> 传的时间差几个小时
[15:33] <happyaron> 悲剧。
[15:34] <JackYu> happyaron, 我找cjwatson去unlock
[15:34] <happyaron> 嗯 unblock
[15:58] <JackYu> happyaron, cjwatson嫌changelog不够详细。。。
[16:00] <happyaron> JackYu: 他要再upload一版？还是说给他bzr log就行
[16:00] <happyaron> JackYu: 一般有bzr log应该就可以，但是log里的中文他是看不懂了……
[16:01] <JackYu> 我的直觉是再upload一次。
[16:01] <happyaron> 那样没有什么意义啊。
[16:01] <JackYu> happyaron, 主要是这次改了不少东西，但写得不够明确。
[16:02] <happyaron> JackYu: 他应该可以接受一份详细的changelog，他应该是需要看到到底改了什么。
[16:02] <happyaron> JackYu: 所以做个清单用英语说一下bzr上每个commit都做了什么可能就成。
[16:03] <JackYu> 恩，是的，不过这个清单也要更新上去吧？
[16:03] <happyaron> 应该不用。
[16:03] <happyaron> paste到个什么地方应该就行
[16:04] <JackYu> 他可以通过“diff from 1.0.6 to 1.0.7 (4.4 KiB)”这个链接看到有哪些改变。
[16:04] <JackYu> happyaron, 我觉得他的意思是需要更新changelog那个文件。
[16:04] <JackYu> 你再上传一次麻烦不
[16:12] <JackYu> happyaron, 你看到cjwatson的comments没？
[16:12] <JackYu> 在-release
[16:12] <happyaron> JackYu: 我没在release
[16:13] <happyaron> 传不麻烦
[16:13] <happyaron> 但是我还有15分钟断电……
[16:13] <happyaron> 这周都要断电……
[16:13] <JackYu>  我晕。。。
[16:13] <JackYu> JackYu: Also, disabling apport and whoopsie entirely?  *Really*?
[16:13] <JackYu> JackYu: And there's a misspelling, "UbuntyKylin"
[16:13] <JackYu> JackYu: Do you know if it's intentional that depends.txt was entirely removed?
[16:14] <JackYu> n> JackYu: And putting random stuff in /etc/environment is not really the best plan - that will be hard to upgrade later
[16:14] <happyaron> 嗯。
[16:14] <JackYu>  JackYu: I'm sorry, I'm not at all happy with this upload and don't really want to unblock it while I have the choice.  The random Upstart overrides with no explanation are the worst (I see it also disables avahi-daemon and modemmanager), but really, all of the stuff I just mentioned should be addressed
[16:14] <JackYu> JackYu: depends.txt> So you don't want e.g. unity-china-music-scope any more?
[16:14] <JackYu> cjwatson, we use recommends.txt instead of depends.txt, since if using depends.txt, removing one package will lead to the fail of default-settings.
[16:14] <JackYu> JackYu: Ah, right.  Mentioning that the removed dependencies were duplicated as Recommends is the sort of thing that should have been mentioned in the changelog.
[16:14] <happyaron> 嗯。
[16:15] <JackYu>  JackYu: I notice that gnome-tweak-tool and chromium-browser are not in recommends.txt, though.
[16:15] <JackYu> cjwatson, yes. we don't want to include these two packages.
[16:15] <happyaron> 其实他这意思，应该是要改很多东西。
[16:15] <JackYu>  JackYu: OK.  Again, changelog :-)
[16:15] <JackYu> JackYu: It's not just for me, it's for your users too
[16:15] <JackYu> 是的
[16:15] <happyaron> 那就改吧，我来电了就动手干。
[16:15] <JackYu> 他是想我们把为什么要这么做都写出来。
[16:16] <happyaron> to be rude but honest， 有很多变化应该就是进不去。
[16:16] <JackYu> 好的，那辛苦你了。今天还来得及不？
[16:16] <happyaron> 应该没戏了……十几分钟应该搞不定。
[16:17] <happyaron> upstart/apport这类的override，我觉得他就接受不了。
[16:17] <JackYu> 呵呵，是的。Beta1之后不应该有很大变化。
[16:17] <happyaron> 我觉得不是时间问题，而是“信仰”问题了
[16:18] <happyaron> apport等被override掉的那些东西，基本都是他和几个人搞出来的，然后你都给关了他能乐意么……
[16:18] <JackYu> 是的。。。
[16:18] <JackYu> 不过我们作为flavor，有自己的选择权嘛。。。
[16:19] <JackYu> 否则那就是Ubuntu了
[16:19] <happyaron> 他可能觉得目前这个flavor还年轻，upstart这种东西就不要去碰了。。。
[16:20] <happyaron> 我说不清楚他完全的想法，但是应该是对这里面的系统foundation的定制他都比较有意见。
[16:20] <happyaron> steve可能也有，但是恐怕不好意思直接说，只能通过colin说了吧。 （他们就是foundation team）
[16:20] <JackYu> happyaron,  额 ，我能理解。
[16:21] <happyaron> 我们现在就只能是想法去来把事情尽量推了。
[16:22] <happyaron> 我也认可那些东西里有一些的体验确实不好。
[16:22] <JackYu> 那你觉得咋整呢？怎么推。。。
[16:22] <happyaron> 比如/儿童从/
[16:22] <happyaron> 比如/etc/envronment的修改只能revert了
[16:22] <happyaron> 额。马上断电，明天说……
[16:23] <JackYu> 好的，明天还来得及不？
[16:24] <happyaron> 应该行
[16:24] <JackYu> 好的:)
[16:24] <JackYu> 这次有些修改就revert回去吧。