[01:11] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/uExwgidhc045zVPJ7fS6/ more or less.
[07:29] <ochosi> brainwash: could you re-pastebin your patch for the greeter's language menu? or submit it as a real patch, as you prefer
[07:29] <ochosi> it's lost in my backlog somewhere
[09:47] <ochosi> brainwash: could you re-pastebin your patch for the greeter's language menu? or submit it as a real patch, as you prefer
[09:51] <brainwash> ochosi: http://lpaste.net/93287
[09:53] <ochosi> thanks, that patch makes sense :)
[09:54] <brainwash> well, no magical stuff involved :D
[09:54] <ochosi> yeah (which is good! :))
[10:24] <brainwash> the xfce4-session package does not recommend "consolekit" anymore due to transition to systemd/logind, but it should recommend "systemd-shim" instead from now on (it does not yet). any thoughts?
[10:24] <brainwash> bug 1221809
[11:13] <ochosi> for everyone who's interested in the stupid abiword ruler issue we used to have, look here: http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13301
[11:22] <ochosi> btw, it only seems to affect greybird, bluebird and orion currently (albatross, numix, adwaita seem fine)
[11:24] <knome> ochosi, we should pick that up
[11:24] <ochosi> bbl
[12:12] <brainwash> is the update notifier indicator not showing up at all?
[12:14] <elfy> I don't see it - update mangler has started showing up again recently though
[12:19] <brainwash> strange
[12:21] <brainwash> besides, I installed htop using the software center, it actually did install htop.. and crashed in the end
[12:21] <brainwash> typical USC story I guess :)
[13:03] <jjfrv8> only had time to do one testcase this morning. will do more tonight.
[13:04] <knome> jjfrv8, mhm, no problem :)
[13:07] <elfy> thanks jjfrv8 
[13:07] <knome> (and yeah, thanks, you are already part of the minority ;))
[13:09] <knome> hey GridCube 
[13:09] <knome> GridCube, you able to run some testing this cycle?
[13:09] <GridCube> hey mister knome 
[13:09] <GridCube> i might try
[13:09] <knome> beta 2 testing is up until thursday
[13:09] <knome> then we need even more testing for RC
[13:10] <GridCube> ok thats the same zsynck all the way right?
[13:11] <knome> the images shouldn't need zsync before thurday, they are freezed
[13:11] <knome> but yes, after that, zsyncing will eventually get you the RC images
[13:12] <GridCube> ok so ill fetch todays image and keep them updated
[13:12] <knome> GridCube, thanks, every test is much appreciated
[13:12] <GridCube> :) will try to do them
[13:13] <elfy> cool - I'd hate to have to set forestpiskie on you :)
[13:14] <GridCube> there is only a xubuntu amd64 iso to download 
[13:14] <GridCube> is that correct?
[13:14] <elfy> atm the 32bit is not there - there's a problem at ubuntu somewhere
[13:14] <GridCube> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/303/builds
[13:14] <GridCube> ok
[13:15] <knome> the build machine has gone offline, so yes, you'll have to wait for the 32-bit images
[13:16] <GridCube> ok, im fetching this iso for now :) this machine supports making 64bits vms :D 
[13:16] <GridCube> thats what im running at the moment
[13:21] <knome> bluesabre, you gonna run tests? :)
[13:22] <bluesabre> when I get home tonight, sure!
[13:22] <knome> great
[13:23] <olbi> hello guys, I have been running dailys updates and there are errors with USC which is crashed sometimes after installing software
[13:23] <knome> olbi, have you filed a bug?
[13:24] <olbi> not yet, I need to check this with todays Beta, maybe it was fixed :)
[13:24] <knome> no idea about that, but sure
[13:24] <knome> if you do a clean install, report the installation to the iso tracker, please
[13:24] <knome> (with appropriate bugs found)
[13:24] <olbi> yes, of course
[13:25] <elfy> I've not seen it today - but I only tried installing and removing one thing
[13:25] <olbi> how I can change avatar at logon screen?
[13:25] <knome> olbi, cp yourimage.jpg ~/.face
[13:25] <olbi> ok :)
[13:26] <bluesabre> yup, gotta get mugshot into 14.04
[13:26] <knome> olbi, we'll have an application for that in T, if everything goes as expected
[13:26] <bluesabre> :)
[13:26] <knome> ^ that
[13:27] <olbi> cool :D
[13:28] <elfy> brb
[13:28] <olbi> are we planning to add Whisker Menu and Xfce Theme Manager as plugins in next release?
[13:29] <brainwash> theme manager is already included
[13:29] <brainwash> isn't it?
[13:29] <knome> yes, gtk-theme-config is in the seed
[13:29] <GridCube> olbi, if you make a wikipage to promote them i might tag with you on the whisker menu :D
 olbi, cp yourimage.jpg ~/.face - doesn't work here
[13:29] <elfy> is there some specific size of image needed?
[13:30] <brainwash> 96x96
[13:30] <brainwash> I think
[13:30] <GridCube> or, get mugshot P:
[13:31] <knome> elfy, that should though. ask for details from bluesabre (unless you don't have yourimage.jpg and are just trolling :P)
[13:31] <elfy> I'd not troll in here :)
[13:31] <knome> heh
[13:32]  * elfy should check out mugshot really 
[13:32] <knome> probably
[13:33] <knome> it allows you to control much more than just the profile image
[13:34] <elfy> I'll grab it when I see bluesabre next time 
[13:34] <GridCube> he is like here right now P:
[13:35] <elfy> thought he said he was off somewhere
[13:40] <bluesabre> mugshot details and ppa info: http://www.smdavis.us/2013/07/27/mugshot-quick-and-easy-user-config/
[13:40] <brainwash> elfy: it did work for me, random 64x64 png file
[13:42] <elfy> bluesabre: daily or stable? if you'd rather I installed the daily so I can test things if you want I'm happy to
[13:43] <bluesabre> elfy, your choice, not much dev happening on it at the moment, so they are probably the same right now
[13:43] <elfy> ok - well I'll go for the daily one and if you want anything tested by 'just this guy' you can shout :)
[13:44] <bluesabre> sure thing, thanks!
[13:44] <elfy> :)
[13:46] <elfy> bluesabre: no menu entry for it?
[13:46] <bluesabre> its in your settings manager
[13:46] <bluesabre> "About Me"
[13:46] <elfy> aaah
[13:46] <elfy> went there and looked for mugshot :)
[13:46] <bluesabre> :D
[13:47] <bluesabre> a little misleading, but hey what can I do ;)
[13:47] <knome> bluesabre, change it? :P
[13:47] <bluesabre> no way!
[13:47] <bluesabre> :D
[13:48] <knome> :P
[13:48] <knome> yeah, i just pointed you "can" do that...
[13:48] <elfy> I assume you know that help fails
[13:48] <bluesabre> news to me
[13:49] <elfy> ok The URI ‘ghelp:mugshot’ does not point to a valid page.
[13:49] <bluesabre> strange
[13:49] <bluesabre> I'll have a look at the package tonight
[13:49] <elfy> sorry :(
[13:49] <elfy> lol
[13:49] <knome> elfy, thanks
[13:49] <knome> elfy, better notice that now than when 14.04 is out...
[13:49] <bluesabre> yup, thanks elfy
[13:50]  * elfy thanks the shaky hand that missed the enormous icon button ... 
[13:50] <knome> :D
[13:52] <knome> bluesabre, want to create a debdiff for micahg for the gmb stuff?
[13:52] <bluesabre> I thought he already mostly had one together?
[13:53] <knome> i didn't think anything :)
[13:53] <bluesabre> good idea
[13:53] <bluesabre> yeah, I'll see about throwing one together tonight
[13:53] <knome> thanks
[13:53] <elfy> I'll join in on that plan
[13:54] <elfy> the not thinking one - just in case you get any ideas ... 
[13:54] <knome> we'll probably land that after B2, there's already only so much time to run that testing
[13:57] <bluesabre> yeah, if today is b2 freeze there's no way you'll see it for b2 :D
[13:57] <knome> well there is but...
[13:57] <knome> :D
[13:57] <knome> there's always ways to get stuff in
[13:58] <bluesabre> didn't you say the isos get locked today?
[13:58] <knome> sure... but don't you think there is a way to un(b)lock? :)
[13:59] <knome> just not worth it.
[13:59] <bluesabre> its easier to imagine that there is not :)
[13:59] <knome> but it's always possible
[13:59] <knome> lol
[13:59] <knome> well, a rebuild should be a press of a button for you too, since you are in xubuntu-release
[13:59] <bluesabre> oh yeah
[14:00] <elfy> keep up :)
[14:00]  * bluesabre has super cow powers
[14:00] <elfy> bluesabre: you want me to report that help thing as a bug so it doesn't get lost?
[14:01] <bluesabre> elfy, yeah if you don't mind
[14:01] <bluesabre> might also try logging out of your session and back in
[14:01] <bluesabre> not sure if yelp/ghelp need to do some sort of updating
[14:01] <elfy> ok - I'll do that first then
[14:06] <elfy> bluesabre: I'll report it 
[14:06] <bluesabre> thanks elfy
[14:07] <elfy> bluesabre: shall I subscribe us to it? 
[14:07] <knome> please do that
[14:07] <bluesabre> yes please
[14:09] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mugshot/+bug/1229205
[14:29] <GridCube> it works on 13.04
[14:29] <GridCube> just tested it :)
[15:09] <knome> off for now
[15:24] <ali1234> i've got a weird glitch... a small square in the top left of the screen that sits above all windows except the panel
[15:26] <GridCube> can  you screenshot it?
[15:27] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFLenkPPwXM
[15:30] <ali1234> btw it is black on the left side because of the menu shadow
[15:30] <GridCube> mmm yes
[15:30] <ali1234> each time i open the menu it gets a little bit darker
[15:30] <ali1234> i notice the glitch itself has a shadow
[15:30] <ali1234> but it doesn't receive X input and especially xwininfo just passes through to the window behind
[15:31] <GridCube> mmm
[15:31] <GridCube> and xkill? 
[15:31] <GridCube> wont kill it?
[15:32] <ali1234> it will kill whatever window is behind it
[15:32] <ali1234> restarting the panel makes it go away
[15:33] <GridCube> do you know how to try to repeat it?
[15:33] <ali1234> no, i never notice it appearing
[15:33] <ali1234> i just notice it's there
[15:34] <ali1234> it has happened several times though
[15:34] <GridCube> ali1234, :) try and see if you can figure a way to repeat it please 
[15:34] <ali1234> it is hard to tell when exactly it happens because when it's a region that isn't redrawing... so it has perfect camouflage
[15:34] <GridCube> yes
[15:34] <GridCube> i figure that much
[15:35] <ali1234> figuring out what owns it would help i think
[15:35] <ali1234> xfdesktop --reload doesn't make it go away
[15:38] <ali1234> ah i think i know exactly what it is
[15:39] <ali1234> yes
[15:39] <ali1234> it's the notification area (not indicators, the old gnome "tray" stuff)
[15:39] <GridCube> :D
[15:39] <ali1234> it's a 20x20 glitch because that is what size the notification icons are
[15:40] <ali1234> removing just the notification area from the panel made it go away
[15:41] <ali1234> and it appears when some java program makes a notification icon
[15:41] <GridCube> ali1234, please report a bug against it
[15:41] <brainwash> try to disable the xfwm4's compositor
[15:42] <brainwash> isn't this a well known bug?
[15:42] <ali1234> is there some java program that makes a tray icon in the repos?
[15:44] <ali1234> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8166
[15:45] <GridCube> ali1234, what xubuntu version are you using?
[15:45] <ali1234> saucy
[15:47] <GridCube> mmm i understand that in saucy there is a new plugin indicator applet for gtk3 indicators
[15:47] <ali1234> yes there is
[15:47] <GridCube> is the java application using this?
[15:48] <ali1234> no
[15:48] <GridCube> i see
[15:48] <ali1234> well actually that code is not in saucy yet
[15:48] <ali1234> but anyway, this is only with the legacy notification system aka system tray
[15:48] <GridCube> yes, thats what i was thinking
[15:49] <ali1234> the plugin is called "Notification Area" (but it has nothing to do with the pop up alert bubbles)
[15:49] <ali1234> it's almost certainly a java bug anyway
[15:50] <ali1234> like the one where accessing the clipboard from java leaks a copy of whatever is on the clipboard every single time
[15:50]  * GridCube doesnt know
[15:50] <ali1234> java is complete rubbish :/
[15:50] <brainwash> so it's not related to xfwm4's compositor?
[15:50] <ali1234> well it might only happen when compositing is switched on
[15:51] <ali1234> but that's irrelevant - everything else that uses notification icons works fine
[15:54] <ali1234> hmm i have an idea what it might be actually
[17:56] <GridCube> is it a feature now that the current desktop background turns into the lightdm background?
[17:57] <GridCube> i mean is that expected?
[18:00] <elfy> expected
[18:01] <elfy> GridCube: you seen the 32bit are there now
[18:01] <GridCube> im doing the amd64 one
[18:01] <GridCube> i am assuming the image is the same as earlier
[18:01] <brainwash> GridCube: accountsservice is responsible for this behavior
[18:02] <GridCube> ok :) is that i made an image with gimp, saved it as png and used it as background and then when i logged out it was there :P
[18:13] <ali1234> yeah that's been a feature for a couple of releases for unity users at least
[18:13] <ali1234> dunno if anything special was needed for xfce, probably not
[18:15] <Unit193> Works in Rarin'
[18:16] <GridCube> never noticed in raring
[18:16] <GridCube> but then again i never use the login manager
[18:17] <GridCube> had to install synaptic 'cos USC would not allow me to set up my proxy
[18:17] <GridCube> proxies are the worst in xubuntu
[18:23] <GridCube> besides the abiword and the sound indicator everything seems fine
[18:23] <GridCube> reported
[18:25] <ali1234> i use ssh and socks for proxying
[18:25] <elfy> thanks GridCube 
[18:26] <ali1234> no particular setup needed, you do need a ssh account somewhere of course
[18:26] <Unit193> ali1234: You use polipo or the like as well?
[18:26] <GridCube> you cant use USC out of the box in xubuntu if you have a proxy
[18:26] <ali1234> no, i just type in the proxy settings directly to firefox
[18:27] <GridCube> i find it rather bad that ubbiquity doesnt ask you for networking setting to set up things properly from there, i remember that using the alternate iso you could do so
[18:27] <Unit193> Heh, sadly not everything I use will take a socks proxy.
[18:27] <ali1234> i only use proxying to evade blocked services, such as my mobile provider blocking irc and various chat programs
[18:27] <ali1234> and also i use it as a poor man's cloak
[18:28] <ali1234> so in practice this means i only proxy pidgin, and sometimes firefox
[18:29] <Unit193> libxfce4ui got tagged.
[18:40] <bluesabre> libxfce4ui got tagged?  what does that mean?
[18:40] <elfy> someone ran up behind it and shouted "You're it"
[18:41] <bluesabre> :D
[18:43] <Unit193> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/libxfce4ui/  means you don't have to roll from git head to get gtk3 indicators.
[18:43] <knome> elfy, oi! in-flight collision :P
[18:44] <elfy> wut
[18:44] <knome> elfy, we both replied to that last post on the ML
[18:44] <elfy> I be you said - that's one test ... 
[18:44] <knome> nah, two tests it is
[18:44] <knome> and two replies ;)
[18:44] <elfy> yay
[18:44] <elfy> xpl and qa lead agreeing without knowing :p
[18:45] <knome> heh
[18:45] <bluesabre> woot!
[18:45]  * elfy will have to work on that ... 
[18:45] <Unit193> Wow, better record it.
[18:53] <knome> record? we aren't corded...
[19:00] <davmor2> knome: if you're not corded does that mean you are cordless?
[19:00] <knome> davmor2, yep.
[19:00] <knome> davmor2, cordless, but aging analog device
[19:00] <knome> there isn't even a vga port let alone hdmi outputs
[19:01] <davmor2> haha
[19:02] <elfy> not sure you should be talking about me like that ... 
[19:02] <elfy> :)
[19:03] <GridCube> but you do have organic photsensive receptors that took like 1.000.000.000 years to develope
[19:03] <knome> they're aging as well, not brand new anymore
[19:10] <elfy> all that time to develop and 50 years to ruin them ... 
[19:11] <knome> ;)
[19:17] <Unit193> Bleh, was going to actually build xubuntu-core and see what it'd really pull in from a mini, but more effort than I'd want. :P
[19:21] <elfy> Unit193: I'll get the QA apprentice to do it ... 
[19:23] <Unit193> It's not hard, just :effort: :P
[19:24] <elfy> :)
[19:25] <elfy> knome: just realised there's no upgrade tests there for b2 - shall I add them - can't remember if it's likely to end up losing the exisiting b2 tests
[19:26] <elfy> nobody else has them enabled 
[19:37] <knome> elfy, that won't affect current tests since it's a different product
[19:37] <knome> elfy, we could just run those with the RC
[19:38] <elfy> ok - I'll remember to set them 
[19:39] <knome> i'd imagine they're enabled for all flavors then, but it's always good to double-check
[19:39] <elfy> yep
[19:39] <knome> i was about to say nice testing, but then i realized it's mostly you who did the tests
[19:39] <elfy> lol
[19:40] <elfy> I'm not makring them ready - going to see how many pitch up :)
[19:40] <brainwash> is there a list of bugs which have to be fixed before final release?
[19:41] <knome> brainwash, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-flavor-xubuntu.html
[19:41] <brainwash> knome: thanks
[19:42] <knome> what's lacking there is the abiword ruler theming fix, bug 1031137
[19:44] <elfy> knome: and how do we get the fix in ? 
[19:44]  * elfy hasn't ever really followed a bug that's got a bug fixed elsewhere
[19:45] <elfy> that sort of makes less sense than it did in my head ... 
[19:46] <brainwash> according to ochosi it might be fixable by adjusting the affected shimmer-themes
[19:46] <brainwash> not an easy task I guess
[19:47] <elfy> missed that then - last I saw/read he was saying he'd been there before with it 
[19:47] <brainwash> this one here on the other hand shouldn't be that hard to fix: bug 1227637
[19:49] <elfy> brainwash: it would be for me ;)
[19:50] <brainwash> could it be added to the progress list?
[19:50] <brainwash> the bug report I mean
[19:57] <knome> brainwash, i talked with him earlier, but from the upstream bug i understood that the patch alone would fix most of the problems without touching themes
[19:58] <knome> the latter isn't a very high-importance though? it doesn't really break anything, just throws a warning
[19:59] <brainwash> yes, an annoying warning :)
[19:59] <knome> sure, but still only a warning :)
[19:59] <knome> setting as importance low
[19:59] <brainwash> thanks
[20:00] <knome> i'm guessing the first thing to do would be checking what happens if that override is removed - does that change the behavior
[20:00] <knome> if not, then just remove it; if it does, how to apply that without throwing a warning
[20:01] <brainwash> I removed it and the warning does not show up anymore, kinda expected, because the update-notifier dconf key does not exist anymore and therefore can't be altered
[20:02] <knome> yep
[20:02] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: bug 1221426
[20:05] <Unit193> brainwash: Which I hope means they changed the default rather than removed the config option.  Several other keys are removed as well.
[20:05] <knome> ochosi, bug 1069813
[20:06] <knome> ochosi, fixed description, bug 1069813
[20:06] <brainwash> ah, the missing icon issue
[20:07] <brainwash> there's also a duplicate somewhere
[20:07] <brainwash> bug 1063512
[20:07] <Unit193> I had booted the VM to compare the two com.ubuntu.update-notifier.gschema.xml files.
[20:09] <knome> brainwash, marked as duplicate
[20:10] <brainwash> I did not expect that this missing icon problem still exists
[20:22] <bluesabre> yay, parole has a purpose!
[20:22] <knome> bluesabre, you too, maybe we should try to slip a bugfix in ;)
[20:23] <bluesabre> yup, will try to do that tonight
[20:23] <knome> cheers
[20:23] <brainwash> knome: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/0.138
[20:26] <knome> brainwash, oh right, that explains then. maybe add a comment and a link to that, and then we can mark the bug triaged
[20:28] <brainwash> knome: done
[20:29] <knome> cheers
[20:29] <bluesabre> our team is doing awesome work this cycle :D
[20:29] <knome> bluesabre, bug 1227537 if you feel like it
[20:29] <knome> bluesabre, i can wholeheartedly agree
[20:30] <bluesabre> knome, is that the right bug?
[20:31] <knome> no
[20:31] <bluesabre> :D
[20:31] <knome> bug 1227637
[20:31] <knome> i would imagine it's just poking that one file and remove the key, then debdiff or whatever, and ramp it up the sponsor queue
[20:32] <bluesabre>  yup
[20:32] <knome> and if you have a patch in the bug, it's possible that dholbach picks it up
[20:32] <bluesabre> easy fix
[20:32] <knome> ...and you got yet another sponsored upload
[20:32] <bluesabre> yup, good times :D
[20:33] <knome> yep
[20:33] <knome> better times when you don't need them any more!
[20:33] <bluesabre> indeed!
[20:33] <knome> imagine; that bug could be fixed in the next 5 minutes if you had upload rights
[20:33] <knome> WOOT!
[20:33] <elfy> :)
[20:33] <knome> (less work too, no need for debdiffs, just go ahead and change the file contents and upload)
[20:34] <bluesabre> nice and painless
[20:34] <knome> yep
[23:11] <bluesabre> ochosi: link me to the gmb bug?
[23:53] <bluesabre> Unit193, you around?
[23:53] <Unit193> bluesabre: No.
[23:53] <bluesabre> darn
[23:53] <bluesabre> guess I'll try again later
[23:53] <bluesabre> :D
[23:53] <Unit193> I'm a square.
[23:54] <bluesabre> no pi for you
[23:55] <Unit193> :(
[23:55] <bluesabre> I'm trying to update the debian folder in x-d-s, not quite sure how to fix this
[23:55] <bluesabre> W: xubuntu-default-settings source: syntax-error-in-dep5-copyright line 16: Continuation line outside a paragraph.
[23:56] <bluesabre> in relation to this changelog file: http://dpaste.com/1393470/
[23:56] <bluesabre> s/changelog/copyright
[23:57] <Unit193> Yep, you need a period at 15, 20, and 24
[23:57] <bluesabre> ah