[01:52] shadeslayer: Debian is about as unfrozen as it gets. [05:30] testing the daily of today [05:30] downloading right now [05:31] in live environment [07:14] Good morning. [07:49] hrrr [07:49] my saucy wont login... [07:50] * jussi tries the guest session [07:50] meh. logs into ubuntu just fine [07:50] wonder whats up... [07:52] jussi: Had that yesterday too, updated and rebooted. Things worked fine again. [07:52] hrr, I guess Ill have to reboot (updated, but not rebooted) [08:18] all ok with the daily of today. [08:35] cortexA9: can you mark your reports on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/303/builds for the beta? [08:35] yes Riddell [08:36] i did it [08:37] Riddell: didn't we have an installer icon in some obvious place in plasma-netbook live session in the past? [08:38] yofel: mm that's a known but that I had hoped to get round to fixing but haven't yet [08:39] cortexA9: lovely [08:39] Riddell: there are other isos about the nexus 7 ? [08:40] hm, images got respun I see [08:40] Riddell: wifi setup still doesn't work in dm-ubiquity [08:41] can we remove that before release? [08:43] oh this plasma-active-4-armv7hl-google-nexus7.tar.gz [08:49] yofel: I want to check if ubuntu unity has the same issue then work out what to do [08:50] ack [08:51] cortexA9: you can try that but note that plasma active generally doesn't work just now (individual bits work but not the whole setup) so the nexus will be even more broken [08:54] Riddell: did a package for multirom eheh testing right now [08:59] Riddell, BTW why does dh still calls dh_pysupport instead of dh_python2 when the former one is deprecated? We still have to explicitly call --with python2...... [09:04] file a bug against debhelper? ^^ [09:04] we're like 3 months behind debian though, so checking there might be good too [09:05] though I wonder what the new default should be. --with python2,python3 ? [09:12] yofel, dunno [09:12] Ubuntu will want default = python3 [09:14] yofel, hmm, it is fixed in upstream [09:14] Debian [09:15] not something ubuntu wants to differ on from debian that [09:15] Ouch, that's dh_python instead [09:52] yofel, ah, I get it [09:52] If compat = 9, dh_pysupport will simply not be run [09:57] good thing we concluded that compat has no reasonable impact :P [09:58] Riddell: i am in ssh on my nexus 7 :D [09:58] with the plasma active 4 [09:58] hehe [09:58] it's good. [09:58] cortexA9: err, wow, really? [09:59] cortexA9: take a photo! [09:59] yea [09:59] lol [09:59] does it just load up and plasma active is all running? [09:59] cos that's not the case on the i386 image [09:59] no i have to do a package multirom [09:59] cortexA9: what's one of those? [09:59] hi vassie [10:00] it's an application [10:00] Hello Riddell [10:00] for select [10:00] the roms [10:00] in the begin [10:00] hello wassie [10:00] *vassie [10:00] :) Hello [10:00] brb [10:01] Riddell: it's ok but i have a problem [10:01] ssh freeze [10:01] after some minutes [10:03] i think there is a protection [10:03] with the wifi network [10:04] * Riddell notices the image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/20130227/ is from february [10:04] so that's running an older plasma active [10:04] which explains it [10:04] oh Riddell [10:05] i have downloaded it from kde.org [10:05] the image 4.0 [10:05] of today [10:07] oh I see, not a kubuntu one, that makes more sense then [10:08] yes sorry Riddell [10:08] not the right channel to talk [10:08] hehe [10:26] cortexA9: no that's fine, we need to look at kubuntu active and decide what to do with it [10:26] Riddell: oh there is kubuntu active ? [10:27] There is [10:27] good [10:27] there is but for whatever reason it doesn't start up [10:27] plasma-device starts ok when I run it on its own [10:27] but the full session login doesn't work [10:27] so that needs debugged [10:27] volunteers welcome :) [10:28] sorry i am not a dev [10:28] hehe [10:28] not yet :) [10:33] No time, sorry, testing in ubuntu Studio (and found a bug, presumably) [10:57] i'm back [10:57] it's... vassie! [10:57] vassie: able to join in the beta candidates testing? [10:57] sure [10:59] quick question, is there anyway to fix this before 4.11.2? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1225347 [10:59] Ubuntu bug 1225347 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Icon-Only Task Manager: unable to set "Show a launcher when not running"" [Undecided,Fix committed] [11:00] where to i get the beta from btw? [11:03] vassie: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/303/builds [11:03] Riddell: Thanks [11:04] vassie: that bug is already fixed in 4.11.2 [11:04] yofel: oh, there were problems with runtime ... you forgot to change the package to arch:any in your sed change, leading to broken path setup on amd64 [11:04] all fixed now [11:04] ouch [11:04] yofel: I know, but 4.11.2 is not out yet [11:04] thanks [11:05] vassie: I thought we had fixed that... [11:05] yofel: nope, i cannot pin anything to my task bar [11:06] what release are you on? [11:06] also there's magic scripts setup... if one appends PROMOTE to the snapshot-daily ppa description it will get promoted automagically after <=30 minutes to snapshot-weekly, that along with the sync script is now in ~neon/project-neon5/syncer [11:14] yofel: raring [11:15] hm, I see, this was never backported :/ [11:15] I'll do so later [11:15] sweet, thanks [11:23] yofel: so I fixed virtuoso by passing add-missing to automake [11:23] instead of linking it manually [11:24] which seems like a better fix to me [11:27] ::workspace-bugs:: [1183030] package plasma-widgets-workspace 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to ov... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183030 (by Fila Kolodny) [11:36] ack [12:03] apachelogger: It was standards version we concluded not to update, not compat. [12:04] ScottK: I was talking about one of the grilling questions that had to do with compat :P [12:04] Oh. OK. [12:34] Hiyas all [12:35] hi BluesKaj, able to do any beta 2 candidate testing? [12:36] yes Riddell I suppose [12:36] great [12:39] I can do a clean install image ...have a couple of empty partitions for / and /home , if that's what's needed. [12:43] yeah that would be great [12:43] ok , got a url ? [12:44] i see the beta1 site is "up" [12:44] BluesKaj: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/303/builds [12:44] this will be beta 2 [12:50] ok Riddell DLing [13:00] virtuoso fixed as well [13:00] * shadeslayer does some Beta 2 QA [13:00] ovidiu-florin: ta da http://ro.kubuntu.org/ [13:00] shadeslayer: awooga [13:01] shadeslayer: what was up with it? [13:01] yeeey [13:01] I was just about to ask you [13:01] :D [13:01] Riddell: so automake 1.13 introduced this new file called a test-driver [13:01] ovidiu-florin: anything else needed or can we announce it? [13:01] Riddell [13:01] some new isos for today ? [13:01] Riddell: which is not generated in the virtuoso tarball [13:01] shadeslayer, well I usually turn nepomuk and akonadi off [13:01] 24.1 ? [13:01] :P [13:01] yes me too [13:02] nepomuk always [13:02] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p02dc4496/ [13:02] * vHanda should leave [13:02] Riddell: we should sync virtuoso-opensource next cycle though [13:02] cortexA9: yes we have new candidates today http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/303/builds [13:02] Riddell: a loco Mail List ? [13:02] sync/merge , whatever is appropriate [13:03] because Debian has multiarch'd virtuoso [13:03] shadeslayer: lovely [13:03] yofel says there will be some issues with soprano, so let's see [13:03] ovidiu-florin: I was going to announce on my blog and kubuntu.org [13:03] vHanda: why? :( [13:04] Riddell: cool [13:04] Riddell: the announcement sounds great [13:04] irc complaints are depressing [13:04] nepomuk rocks! [13:05] Riddell: I was asking for a mail list for Kubuntu-ro [13:05] hehe [13:05] haha. Thank you Johnathan! [13:05] alt-f2 search in files very useful [13:05] Riddell: or is that canonical sysadmins again? [13:05] Riddell: try out milou? [13:05] ovidiu-florin: yes that'll be canonical sysadmin, and it may well be an idea to use any existing ubuntu-ro mailing list [13:05] Riddell, I have no need for nepomuk , as a home user [13:06] milou will change that [13:06] Riddell: will do [13:06] vHanda: it's on my todo [13:07] what's milou? [13:07] Riddell: thank you [13:08] bug 1229700 o.O [13:08] bug 1229700 in Kubuntu PPA "USB disks are not detected nor mounted by KDE 4.11.1 in raring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1229700 [13:08] what akonadi do ? [13:09] hmm [13:09] apachelogger: btw, I am no longer in the future :( [13:09] shadeslayer, welcome to the cruel reality:) [13:10] smartboyhw: you are in the future however [13:11] yofel: milou is shadeslayer's spotlight style desktop search applet [13:11] mine? [13:11] great [13:11] um no [13:11] yofel: milou is vHanda's spotlight style desktop search applet [13:11] shadeslayer, huh? [13:11] vHanda can do all the work, and I take credit :P [13:11] I'm always in the present:P [13:11] lol :) [13:11] getting my catalonians confused [13:12] vHanda++ [13:12] * vHanda is okay with that as long as shadeslayer's gets the blame as well [13:12] no no, see that [13:12] *see that's my evil plan [13:12] take all the credit [13:12] forward blame [13:16] HDD's are so slow :( [13:23] ovidiu-florin: ping, over here :) [13:23] oh... sorry [13:23] wrong channel [13:28] shadeslayer: no, now you are in the past [13:28] apachelogger: as are you then? [13:28] no [13:28] I show my face before noon :P [13:29] just because I'm not on IRC doesn't mean I'm not here :P [13:29] here being the office [13:29] riiight :P [13:31] oh great now I forgot what branch I was in :@ [13:34] ovidiu-florin: how do I say Kubuntu Romania in Romanian? [13:34] what context? [13:35] I think it's writing [13:35] (Since I have a hunch that Riddell is writing a blog post) [13:35] i get that [13:36] but it could be: Kubuntu România or Comunitatea Kubuntu România [13:36] just for the link on http://www.kubuntu.org/community for now [13:36] Kubuntu România [13:37] ok Riddell , here goes , just burned the beta 2 image , so wish me luck :) [13:38] ovidiu-florin: how's this? kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-românia [13:38] we're planning on news and support [13:39] ovidiu-florin: updated and put on http://www.kubuntu.org/ [13:40] saw it [13:40] thank you [13:41] I'm updating the wiki right now.. lot's of Ubuntu's there [13:41] what is the date for saucy final release ? [13:41] * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/24/kubuntu-rom%C3%A2nia [13:41] soee: 1 month [13:42] Riddell, ok so ill put it on my new laptop today :) [13:42] and my old one will go to my parents, and ill install them kubuntu also :) [14:14] smartboyhw: you been playing with tanglu? [14:22] Riddell: I'm sorry tanglu? that sounds like something you would use to stick essex girls together with [14:23] Riddell, yes, so? [14:23] davmor2, LOL [14:24] Riddell, the libqinfinity update we mentioned before now finally surfaces: http://scummos.blogspot.com/2013/09/collaborative-text-editing-02-beta.html [14:28] smartboyhw: rumbled, you updated kubuntu-meta using their version of deboostrap [14:28] Riddell, ouch:( [14:28] davmor2: I don't think I can comment since I've never liked the name kubuntu [14:29] Riddell: hehe [14:34] yofel: did you switch out workspace in Neon 4 to 4.11? [14:35] ta da! https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/13.10ubuntu1 [14:36] Riddell, \o/ [14:36] now who remembers what we used to do with kubuntu docs, we have a link on the desktop somewhere? [14:36] apparently yes [14:36] yes [14:36] but where and when? [14:37] * shadeslayer would prefer a lite version of the docs on the ISO itself [15:00] ok , running beta 2 here , no crashes yet , altho i haven't tried to setup kmail yet :) [15:02] lovely [15:02] remember to report on iso.qa.ubuntu.com [15:03] * shadeslayer is almost done with the 32 bit iso [15:03] FF looks absolutely retro , but I haven't rebooted since I setup the themes and fonts etc [15:04] kubuntu netbook live link to ubiquity was done by casper script scripts/casper-bottom/37kubuntu_netbook_installer_link [15:04] ok reboot [15:04] but I removed that in 2010 and replaced with a patch in kdebase-workspace [15:07] Can we get a trello board on kubuntu Romania? [15:07] or how does this work? [15:08] Should I make a new Organization? [15:09] hum I'm not sure [15:09] I think we can just make a board under kubuntu if you want [15:11] which ever you think it's best [15:11] I would like to keep the Romanian comunity in close contact with the official one [15:13] can we get a board under kubuntu? [15:13] no, wait [15:14] You only allow members to write in it right? [15:14] ovidiu-florin: yes, although we can add anyone as a member [15:15] ovidiu-florin: go wild https://trello.com/b/OxkEQ8dS/kubuntu-romania [15:16] aaaa, so there's members by board not by organisation [15:16] thank you [15:17] Can you make it publicly readable? [15:18] ovidiu-florin: done [15:18] thank you [15:18] hmm kubuntu_netbook_favourites.diff in kde-workspace should add the link [15:23] oh my [15:24] Riddell: OEM is kaput [15:24] hmm [15:24] shadeslayer: that'll be the same wifi issue as on standalone install [15:24] shadeslayer: the question is does ubuntu have it? [15:25] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p29dcb15f [15:25] er [15:26] http://i.imgur.com/QBriqe6.png [15:26] looks like a NM issue [15:27] shadeslayer: yeah known issue [15:27] shadeslayer: agateau says it affects ubuntu too [15:27] bug number? [15:27] okie [15:27] but I think that needs confirmed [15:27] bug 1220193 [15:27] bug 1220193 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity kde frontend crash setting up wireless when ubiquity only or oem-config" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220193 [15:27] thx [15:28] 32 bit all done then [15:29] * shadeslayer goes off to do KDE hacking [16:18] shadeslayer: workspace is 4.11 yeah [16:19] okay [18:01] what does flavor mean? in the fontext of ubuntu flavors? [18:01] context* [18:04] ovidiu-florin: mostly differnt desktops like kde , xfce etc [18:05] I know what it is [18:05] well , you asked :) [18:05] but what I mean it what does flavor mean? I mean what's the connection between Kubuntu and Ubuntu? [18:06] besides that Kubuntu is based on Ubuntu [18:09] kubuntu is a flavour of ubuntu, ubuntu being the core [18:11] I'm asking this becouse someone from Ubuntu Romania started to rebuke me becouse I did not announce them that I'm working on the Kubuntu website. [18:11] Kubuntu Romania website, I mean [18:11] I haven't answered yet [18:12] that depends on what his ubuntu definition is then [18:12] should I have done that? [18:12] is it exclusive or inclusive of the different ubuntu flavouirs [18:13] I thougnt Kubuntu is a different distribution, isn't it? [18:14] seems his defintion is ubuntu only , gtk/unity/gnome/gnome shell, and that's all , no kde xfce or other desktop environments [18:15] Can someone please help me sort this out? what should I do? [18:15] yes it's a distro unto itself , they all are but they are still defined as flavours [18:16] maybe you should consult with the person who tried to rebuke you [18:17] ask him what's allowed [18:17] if he's administering the site [18:18] He's the contact person for Ubuntu Romania [18:18] does this have anything to do with what does the Kubuntu comunity do? [18:21] perhaps he should be reminded or informed what ubuntu flavours really are and find out what's allowed , the if not allowed then consider setting up a kubuntu site with help or advice from the other kubuntu communities in other countries [18:22] after it does look like ubuntu and kubuntu are going in different directions [18:22] after all [18:24] BluesKaj: the Kubuntu Romania site is set up here http://ro.kubuntu.org/ and has nothing to do with the http://ubuntu.ro site [18:27] Riddell: any opinions? [18:28] Looks very Ubuntu targeted, so why should he object. [19:11] I just replied on the list to the above question. [19:11] ovidiu-florin: See my reply on the Kubuntu ML. Does that help? [19:12] well ,so far so good with beta 2 , I've set it up to my preferences , so I've rid the OS of kmail, kontact, ktorrent, network manager , modemmanager and added vlc , konversation and tixati [19:13] thank you ScottK [19:15] I agree that talking with them might help. But I don't feel that I did something wrong by not letting them know that I'm working on this [19:16] I find their reaction rather upsetting [19:17] I agree. [19:17] thank you [19:18] They have no right to control what you are doing, on the other hand, improving communication is a good thing. [19:19] You might ask them to add a link to the Kubuntu site from theirs. [19:19] :)) [19:19] good joke [19:19] No. Seriously. They should do it. [19:19] not that I wouldn't [19:19] but will they? [19:20] They certainly won't if you don't ask. [19:20] I'll write them an email [19:21] Be nicer than you feel like being. [19:21] (I confess this would be a challenge for me) [19:23] My first reaction was: I'll send them this: Kubuntu != Ubuntu [19:23] But I thought I'll ask you guys first [19:24] Part of the problem is the work Ubuntu is heavily overloaded. [19:24] It refers to the project, the Linux distribution, and a desktop flavor of that project. [19:28] Why isn't Kubuntu completly separating itself from Canonical and Ubuntu? I mean, no strings attached? [19:28] this is something I don't understand? [19:28] will this happen when wayland comes? [19:28] or? [19:31] lates daily build - saucy [19:31] during installation when i want to connect to wifi installer crashes :) [19:33] soee: bug 1220193 - either go through the live session or use a wire [19:33] bug 1220193 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity kde frontend crash setting up wireless when ubiquity only or oem-config" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220193 [19:34] yofel, ill just skip it [19:34] that installer crashes awfly a lot. [19:35] last week it crashe don me when I clicked next on the User info page [19:38] :P [19:39] i skipped wifi part and its almost finished [19:41] Kubuntu Romania is now on Distrowatch [19:41] http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kubuntu [19:41] wohooooo [19:41] who do we have to thank for this? [19:48] uhm only english language is available ? [19:49] huh? [19:49] in Available languages i see only British English :M [19:51] Additional drivers fails to start :) [19:52] oh drat, there was that jockey issue [19:52] lordievader: didn't you try to fix that? how far did you get? [19:52] soee: available languages in system settings? [19:52] yofel, yes [19:52] hm, refresh you package cache, should work then (I think) [19:53] shadeslayer: so your cache generation work ended nowhere? ^^ [19:53] jockey on beta2 needs a workaround , installing the additional drivers doesn't launch the installer [19:54] is it possible to install propriety drivers somehow ? [19:55] basically inert, so i ninstalled the nvidia-319-updates and installed nvidia-319 in the terminal [19:55] installed [19:56] yofel, apt-get update and i have languages, but its strange it didnt use PL as i set it in installer [19:56] manually installing by hand certainly works (possibly using the ubuntu app would work too) [19:57] soee: didn't you install without network? I don't think we have pl translations on the image [19:57] yofel: installed the updates with muon [20:08] the LoCo link from http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute is not pointing to kubuntu.org/comunity at the Local Language Support page. It's pointing to the Ubuntu LoCo list. shouldn't this be changed? [20:10] BluesKaj, so whats the step do install nvidia drivers ? [20:12] soee: install the nvidia-319-updates in muon first then install nvidia-319 in the terminal..that method worked for me on the beta1 and beta 2 [20:12] BluesKaj, ok ill try [20:13] btw Kubuntu looks lovely on my new laptop :D <3 [20:16] that's great soee :) [20:16] How can I upload images to the Kubuntu wiki? [20:16] BluesKaj, what about nvidia-319 (binary Xorg drivers) ? [20:17] from nvidia's site ? [20:17] nope, from muon [20:17] or only 319-updates [20:18] oh , i see , yeah why not they should work if available [20:19] I didn't bother looking for them on beta2 because they wren't avialble in muon on beta 1 [20:19] ;] [20:19] guess i shouldn't assume === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [21:05] ovidiu-florin: Kubuntu and Ubuntu and all the other flavors are all co-developed/released out of the same package archive. If you separated it, it wouldn't be Kubuntu anymore. [21:11] yofel: not quite [21:11] yofel: we should populate xapian index [21:11] but generating the kde cache is useless since we don't have a way to generate the plasma theme cache [21:11] which forms a big chunk of the cache [21:12] ( space-taken-on-disk wise ) [21:19] my o my it is impossible to install nvidia 319 on latest saucy [21:22] soee: hm, not really, I'm running it after all [21:22]