[00:48] hey [00:48] my lubuntu keeps freezing [00:49] it's a fresh install [00:49] are you using anything in particular when it freezes? [00:49] I know how to diag xp fairly well but not linux systems [00:49] any tips? [00:49] yeah, seems like chromium has been open both times [00:50] it will start with not responding to mouse clicks [00:50] then the mouse stops moving / disappears [00:50] will it still respond on the keyboard? [00:50] ianorlin, no [00:50] then I tried ctrl+alt+del [00:50] and the screen goes black [00:50] genoobie: yeah, we have seen issues with chromium, [00:50] which opens lxtask [00:50] no, lxtask doesn't appear to open [00:51] phillw, that's too bad. [00:51] Menu --> Accessories --> LXTerminak [00:51] okay [00:51] sudo apt-get install firefox [00:52] iirc ff didn't play well with flash [00:52] in 13.10 we are reverting to firefox and dropping chromium [00:52] hm [00:52] any other good lightweight browser? [00:52] that plays well with flash? [00:52] genoobie: ffox has been on a diet, I have no issues with flash [00:53] "Plays well with flash" can you define that? [00:53] I remember that I installed FF a while ago and games / videos wouldn't load [00:53] genoobie: try the new version. [00:54] phillw, that sudo apt-get will give the new version right? [00:54] Flash has always worked for me, except when it crashes, but that's not really browser based. :P [00:54] okay [00:54] I guess I remember it didn't load at all [00:54] And speaking of crashing flash. :D [00:54] well, I am at 91% at the sudo cmd [00:55] genoobie: it will pull in the one from the repo. if there is a newer version, ffox will let you know. [00:55] to keep things clean, I want to uninstall chrome [00:55] sudo apt-get -purge chromium [00:56] Unit193: is that correct? ^^ [00:56] Not quite. [00:56] chromium-browser I think [00:59] Ahh... you cannot remove chromium until you have another browser installed.... lubuntu will just keep trying to find a browser. [01:00] A web browser shouldn't be a prerequisite [01:01] Like, what if I want no gui web browser and just run links2 or something on command-line? [01:02] genii: www-browser, yeah. [01:02] genii: go have a read of http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=15791 and then follow the thread further so as to learn just how dependancies are a royal pain in the neck :D [01:03] * phillw off to my alcove :) Take care everyone. [01:03] okay FF installed [01:03] seems solid [01:07] CL option "-p" not know [01:07] not known [01:11] okay [01:11] when I sudo apt-get purge chromium-browser [01:11] there's a bunch of other things it wants to remove [01:11] chromium-codecs-ffmpeg [01:12] and lubuntu-desktop [01:12] that seems "bad" [01:12] *buntu-desktop are virtual packages [01:12] eg: It won't remove your lubuntu [01:13] oh [01:13] that codecs-ffmpeg won't mess with anything either? [01:13] It's for chromium. [01:16] sweet, very nice [01:22] hey all [01:22] stupid me [01:22] I uninstalled chromium-browser [01:22] but the machine locked up in FF [01:22] if you're locking up it's probally hardware related [01:23] kristal [01:23] I don't know much about linux [01:23] I hit ctrl-alt-del [01:23] screen went black [01:23] then I pushed "F1" [01:23] I dunno [01:23] so it said something like "failed to idle channel" [01:23] GPU Lockup [01:24] what gpu do you have and which drivers you using [01:24] now it says nouveau E[ 1031] failed to idle channel 0xcccc00001 [01:24] nouveau, welp, that's nvidia [01:24] NMI: PCI system error (serr) for reason a1 on CPU 0. [01:24] dazed and confused but trying to continue [01:25] either your gpu is screwing up or the graphics drivers are bad [01:25] now the GPU works fine in winxp [01:25] what gpu is it? [01:25] kristal: what do I "do" from here [01:25] i.e. is the computer responsive at all? [01:26] are there other keys I can hit to proceed? [01:26] F2? [01:26] did you try installing graphics drivers before it did this? [01:26] no [01:26] just after a fresh install [01:26] do you still have console access? [01:26] but the lockup doesn't happen right away [01:27] kristal: how will I know if I have console access? [01:27] what keystroke? [01:27] ctrl alt f3 f4 f5 etc [01:27] there's nope [01:27] no response [01:27] hard power off? [01:27] might as well [01:28] * ianorlin doesn't know any way around it [01:28] still wanting to know waht gpu you have [01:28] geforce 6800 [01:28] Well, the open source drivers should run fine on that... that was a card prone to overheating [01:29] like I said, fine in xp [01:30] I do notice that booting up the display flickers black bars across the screen a bit [01:30] any diag tips? [01:30] that's not a good sign [01:30] I will say too [01:30] in windows what temp does nvidia's control panel say it's running at under load? [01:30] kristal, that's interesting [01:31] I've noticed with linux, GPUs are either rock stable or very unstable, you don't get the in-between like windows [01:31] I dunno if there's a temp in the control panel [01:31] will linux have a "temp" for the GPU? [01:31] should I boot into windows? [01:32] Getting temp with ati is easy... I forgot how to with nvidia. :-/ [01:32] brb [01:33] nvidia-settings does temp [01:33] is that in linux? [01:33] ya [01:33] also lmsensors probally can get temp of cpu and gpu [01:33] so sudo apt-get nvidia-settings? [01:33] ya, you can find it in synaptic too [01:34] hi all, i'm writing a script to do some work on background. but the mount command will triger a remind window on desktop. how can i disable this? [01:35] so there are a few nvidia-settings [01:35] are those different versions? [01:36] -304, -310 [01:36] should I just get nvidia-settings? [01:37] kristal, what do you think [01:39] 310, old but still much newer [01:39] hrm [01:39] looking at an arch-linux wiki [01:40] they say "nvidia-304" for geforce 6/7 cards [01:40] but that's arch [01:40] For old cards i just use ope source drivers, xorg-edgers [01:41] hrm [01:41] not sure what to "install" [01:41] real newb here [01:41] https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa [01:41] Best drivers for all cards imo [01:42] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa [01:42] sudo apt-get update [01:42] then upgrade [01:42] when you upgrade it'll replace your old stock drivers with new-old drivers [01:43] what if that makes it worse [01:43] :) [01:43] how do you "reverse" that install [01:43] can i get much worse? [01:43] yes [01:43] if you wanted to reverse you can jsut delete the repo in synaptic [01:43] because right now it works "sometiems" [01:43] yeah, not sure how to do that [01:44] synaptic package manger = app libraty with 40'000 programs you can add/remove/upgrade [01:44] as well as repo control [01:44] okay [01:44] so why do you need "repo control" [01:45] repo control lets you pick the sources of your software [01:45] why would the sources matter? [01:45] you mean bins? [01:45] speed, and diferent version of things [01:46] you don't always want the latest version? [01:46] generally there's stable and testion versions [01:46] testing* [01:46] so I am using 13.04 [01:46] ringtail [01:47] one great example of repos is wine... ubuntu's repos has wine 1.4, old, stable, can't do much, slow, but doesn't screw up [01:47] wine's PPA has wine 1.7, which is much faster, hell I can run skyrim jsut fine on linux [01:47] oh [01:47] not completely stable, but removes my need for windows for GAHMEN [01:48] PPA? [01:48] GAHMEM? [01:48] PPA is atype of repo [01:48] GAHMAN/GAYMENS = games [01:49] Wine also useful for photoshoop... although I use krita/mypaint/gimp nowadays [01:49] oaky [01:49] synaptic is your friend, browse the games section, lots of great free games [01:50] well, I went to a flash games site (where it crashed last time) [01:50] seems to be fine now [01:50] intermittent failure? [01:50] probably GPU temp [01:51] flash is awful [01:54] this is was the third time it crashed [01:54] it seems stable suddenly [01:55] okay [01:56] it's beginning to freeze [01:56] mouse can still be moved [01:56] windows are unresponsive [01:56] alt-tab yields nothing [01:56] kristal: whatis the best diag at the moment [01:57] if graphics aren't screwed up but it's screwing up... memory corruption [01:57] well [01:57] how can I determine, I guess [01:57] is what I am asking [01:57] linux has memtest [01:57] when youreboot there's a memtest option [01:57] it'll test your ram's stability [01:57] so what should I do at the moment [01:57] yes memtest [01:57] (if anything) to diag [01:58] my guess is memtest will yield 0 results (again because XP is stable) [01:58] so I have to think that because XP is working fine [01:58] there must be a driver issue [01:58] can I be sure from the symptoms that the video driver is the likely culprit? [01:59] linux is failsafe, if something screws up it'll lock or panic instead of letting garbage data go by [01:59] okay [02:00] uh-oh screen just went black [02:00] i'd test hardware stability, if it's good, then you probally just need a specific driver to work your your gpu which may not be a reference [02:00] although it does not sound good... [02:00] well [02:00] like I said, hardware works OK with xp [02:00] that may mean nothing though... [02:01] how do I "test" these scenarios [02:01] well memtest to start with [02:01] then test cpu and gpu, check temps [02:01] like a "complete"test? [02:01] there's 3GB [02:01] if your parts are running over their max stable temp you'll get lockups [02:02] you mean lock-ups in memtest? [02:02] memtest doesn't lock up very easily, it'll generally report errors [02:02] okay so suppose memtest passes [02:02] then what? [02:03] depends on results [02:03] well, aren't there just two scenarios? Pass / Fail? [02:03] if you fail, it's probally from a bad stick [02:03] okay, so I am saying, suppose the memtest passes [02:03] if you lock, may be unstable cpu [02:04] pass means different problem [02:04] JUST DO IT [02:04] right, I am doing it, but I don't want to keep you here [02:04] it's only at 9% [02:04] if it hits 100 with no errors, that leaves cpu and gpu, ans temps [02:05] okay [02:05] can the fact that XP runs in a stable fashion be used to eliminate factors? [02:06] or does that yield no information [02:06] not really, xp will chug along on unstable systems, it's not made to gaurntee god data like server [02:06] like a linux system [02:06] gotcha [02:07] I have a feeling that memtest will yield no results [02:07] I have linux systems with 1+ year uptimes, Linux is either extremely stable or extremely unstable, it's meant to have no fuzzy in-between [02:08] yeah, that's why I installed it. [02:08] which is what windows is famous for :P [02:08] did you install xorg-edgers? [02:08] no, not yet (memtest) [02:09] so after I check memory that brings me back to nvidia-settings,nvidia-settings-304,nvidia-settings-310 [02:09] well if memtest passes i'd do that incase there's a driver issue, they're the best drivers so naturally you want them either way [02:09] okay one more time [02:09] what would I be "installing" [02:10] you'd be adding a repo which contains the best graphics drivers/libs [02:10] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa [21:42] sudo apt-get update [02:10] once this happens, then what? [02:10] I'm only at 27% [02:10] run upgrade too [02:10] ?? [02:10] man your ram is slow, is it PC133? [02:11] apt-get upgrade after update [02:11] DDR2 200 [02:11] yes, slow [02:11] in memtest the clock is the actual clock, so you have ddr-400 [02:11] AMD or intel? [02:12] so, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa && sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade [02:12] that will take care of the driver? [02:12] intel [02:12] p4 [02:12] 3.4GHz [02:12] probably 2006 vintage [02:14] oh god don't say it's a presshot P4 [02:14] be back in like 5 min I have to reboot this other windows machine that I am chatting on [02:14] pentium 4's are famous for running hot which makes them unstable [02:14] will that command that I posted take care of the driver? [02:15] it doesn't seem like it [02:15] seems like something is missing, like a modprobe or something [02:15] you'll use a better version of the stock one [02:15] also more driver options [02:15] yeah, but more options for me (a newb) is harder to understand [02:16] but I'm kind of figuring it out with your help. Thanks btw [02:16] well you'll want the newest nouveau or the newest nvidia-xxx [02:16] yes, how will I "choose" [02:16] how will I know what my options are? [02:16] synaptic is the easiest way [02:16] okay [02:17] only 45% [02:17] okay brb [02:17] 2 minutes [02:21] kristal: you still here? [02:21] ya [02:22] so once "apt-get upgrade" is run [02:22] that will give access to a bunch of binaries that are more current [02:22] if that alone doesn't solve the problem, i'd check temps [02:22] correct? [02:22] yup [02:22] so to recap [02:23] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa && sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade [02:23] but I don't get where the new driver gets applied [02:23] yup [02:23] when you add a repo with newer something than your current something it will upgrade by default [02:24] oh, i C [02:24] but if the driver is the incorrect one (an unlikely scenario) then this won't help [02:24] I mean lspci showed geforce 6800 [02:24] which is correct. [02:25] I don't know if there are multiple geforce 6800 drivers [02:25] if the driver was wrong you'd default to vesa-mode, generally... or cli mode... [02:25] there's a couple [02:25] Hell, with my ATi card I have 5 driver options. [02:25] how do I know I have the right one? [02:25] christ [02:25] unstable fast, slow stable, old old old [02:26] good thing you're running lubuntu, ubuntu is kinda huge for a P4 [02:26] kristal: yeah, I was considering xubuntu [02:27] xubuntu is nice too [02:27] lubuntu seemed a little faster / customizable [02:27] although lubuntu seems to have a more advanced future [02:27] lubuntu can be modded to hell [02:27] I installed it on a CQ50 [02:28] ran 11 for like two years [02:28] C2Q? [02:28] few probs [02:28] compaq cq50 [02:28] ah [02:28] so gradually I am migrating all the PC's to lubuntu / xp dual boot [02:28] with the hope of eventually abandoning XP [02:29] which means I need some skill with lubuntu / win [02:29] win [02:29] wine [02:29] Wine lets you run a ton of XP software... XP support is being cut so no more XP. [02:29] yes, but XP wasn't a bad OS [02:29] Wine is pretty simple, you jsut run a windows exe/installer with wine and it'll run prety normally [02:29] probably the best one windows ever made [02:29] 7 is a lot better... 8.... ehh... [02:29] but it's old and prone to infection (I have kids that trash the OS regularly) [02:30] win7 probably won't run on this older hardware [02:30] and I would think win7 is probably prone to infection like xp [02:30] thus requiring maintenance [02:30] Win7 nees at least 2GB ram... it could run on your P4, but slow [02:30] that's the part I am trying to get away from [02:30] the maintenance [02:30] I want to set up machine [02:34] i wonder what state the power supply is in after so many years, a quality one can last ages but a bad one degrades after 4-6 years [02:38] kristal [02:38] kristal: memtest passes [02:38] yay! [02:38] BSOD on this windows laptop [02:38] yay BSOD? [02:39] I haven't seen a bsod in over a year... [02:44] haven't seen one in a while [02:44] apparently there's some kind of wireless card issue [02:45] so I need to install the latest driver for the wireless card [02:45] but back to this [02:45] (I'm going to have to disconnect for a minute probably) [02:49] kristal: still here? [02:51] hello? [02:57] hello... [02:58] i was watching explosions on youtube === benmoose is now known as SonikkuAmerica [03:03] hey [03:03] I am back... [03:03] I am finishing apt-get upgrade [03:03] no you're not, you never left [03:03] heh [03:03] Well, I had to disconnect b/c of the wireless card driver update on this xp machine [03:06] brb again [03:15] kristal: [03:15] I rebooted after the update [03:15] how do I know that I have the latest "driver" [03:15] it "looks" the same [03:15] now to check nvidia settings [03:16] okay [03:16] I can reproduce the crash pretty reliably [03:16] if I go to "www.newgrounds.com" [03:17] I can move the mouse [03:17] but then the rest is toast [03:31] flash is killing the graphics drivers? [03:32] >newgrounds [03:32] as soon as I go to newgrounds it locks up [03:32] GPU lockup switching to sftware fbcon [03:33] failed to idle channel 0xcccc0001 [03:34] kristal: not flash, because if I go to another site like armor games that uses flash, there's no prob [03:35] there's still a flicker as I log in and as I boot up [03:37] in synaptic there's a list fo drivers that'll work with your gpu in settings [03:38] okay [03:38] so I started up synaptic [03:38] where am I looking? [03:39] settings/sources etc [03:39] within synaptic? [03:39] ya... [03:40] ugh [03:40] I can't find where within settings that I should see optional drivers [03:42] wait [03:42] ugh [03:46] crap [03:46] I see there is a problem in "software and updates" [03:48] okay [03:48] bedtime [03:48] bb tomorrow [03:48] thanks again for all the help [05:16] I keep getting kernel panics. Doesn't seem to be much pattern with them. [05:17] First one was with GPU, but all the other ones have been from various unrelated places. [05:17] have you checked memtest, fdisk and smartmontools? [05:18] I will memtest on next panic [05:19] the disk is fine though [05:33] I'm wanting to sandbox development of something under a different user. Will GUI programs show up under my WM? How do I start the user with an encrypted /home? [05:48] helli [05:52] why does the OS go back to the default wallpaper after a reboot? [06:29]