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| Vanfanel | hi there, | 12:38 |
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| Vanfanel | after adding ppa:tiomap-dev/release repository on Ubuntu 12.04, I wanted to install kernel package: linux-image-3.5.0-223-omap4 | 12:39 |
| Vanfanel | however, running update & upgrade will only install OMAP4 kernel 3.4 | 12:40 |
| Vanfanel | do you know what's the problem, please? | 12:40 |
| ndec | Vanfanel: where is this kernel supposed to come from? | 12:44 |
| Vanfanel | The one I want to install? From this PPA: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4 | 12:45 |
| ndec | the 12.04 TI PPA only has 3.4, not 3.5 | 12:45 |
| Vanfanel | but in that page it says it's supported in 12.04, or am I reading/interpreting it wrong? | 12:46 |
| ndec | 12.04 is 'precise' | 12:47 |
| ndec | i don't see 3.5 mentioned as supported in 12.04. | 12:48 |
| ndec | 12.04 'official' kernel is 3.2, and the TI PPA comes with 3.4 | 12:48 |
| Vanfanel | ndec: sorry to insist but, what does this line mean then?? | 13:22 |
| Vanfanel | 3.5.0-233.49 proposed (main) 2013-09-16 | 13:23 |
| Vanfanel | It's under The Quantal Quetzal | 13:23 |
| Vanfanel | here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4 | 13:23 |
| Vanfanel | My understanding on that line is that 3.5 IS supported on QQ | 13:23 |
| Vanfanel | Obviously I'm wring | 13:24 |
| ndec | QQ is 12.04 | 13:24 |
| Vanfanel | wrong | 13:24 |
| ndec | QQ is 12.10, i meant | 13:24 |
| Vanfanel | ahh! | 13:24 |
| ndec | ;-) | 13:24 |
| Vanfanel | Precisse Pangolin is 12.04 then... | 13:24 |
| Vanfanel | I see | 13:24 |
| Vanfanel | haha, now it's clear :D | 13:24 |
| Vanfanel | Let me add a last question | 13:24 |
| Vanfanel | Let's see I have that page: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4 | 13:25 |
| Vanfanel | how could I add that PPA to 13.04, for example? | 13:25 |
| ndec | this page is not a PPA | 13:25 |
| Vanfanel | would it be the same? ie: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release | 13:25 |
| ndec | this web page is the 'official' archive content | 13:25 |
| Vanfanel | but that page is.. ehmm.. info about a PPA, right? | 13:25 |
| ndec | no. it's info about a specific package from the ubuntu archive | 13:26 |
| Vanfanel | ok | 13:26 |
| Vanfanel | well, ppa:tiomap-dev/release IS a PPA, then | 13:26 |
| Vanfanel | so I should be able to do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release | 13:27 |
| Vanfanel | in 13.04 too | 13:27 |
| Vanfanel | right? | 13:27 |
| ogra_ | no | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | there are no packages for 13.04 in the PPA | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | would be pointless to add it | 13:28 |
| Vanfanel | but OMAP4 special packages ARE installable in desktop 13.04, as if the PPA would come already installed | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | in the ubuntu desktop images all latest packages for GLES support are preinstalled | 13:29 |
| Vanfanel | so.. where do these packages come from in 13.04? | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | from the archive | 13:29 |
| Vanfanel | they can't be "retrieved" from a repository in 13.04 then? | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | from the ubuntu archive | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | but they are already installed if yoou use the desktop image, there is nothing to add | 13:30 |
| Vanfanel | ogra_: you mean from the official Ubuntu repositories, don't you? | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | (we dont have codecs for any later release than 12.10) | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | yes | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | the PPA only offers yoou codecs fro video playback that only work in 12.10 | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | there is nothing else in that PPA anymore afaik | 13:31 |
| Vanfanel | ogra_: I am using 12.04 "core". I got to install from PPA every needed OMAP4 package (kernel, EGL/GLES/libgbm) | 13:31 |
| Vanfanel | and tried 13.04 ·desktop" | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | ugh | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | dont use core | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | it is not for being used, it is for image builders | 13:32 |
| Vanfanel | you told me so, ogra_ .. and believe me, I tried the desktop option | 13:32 |
| Vanfanel | but it's SO slow it's unusable | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | (if you want to design an image for a car manufacturer for example) | 13:32 |
| Vanfanel | totally utterly unusable | 13:32 |
| Vanfanel | And CORE is fast and light | 13:32 |
| Vanfanel | I don't need Xorg stuff at all | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | sure, then go ahead if you feel like | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | why do you fiddle with the PPA then | 13:33 |
| Vanfanel | so building from core is way easier for me... | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | if you dont need graphical stuff | 13:33 |
| Vanfanel | Because I need EGL/GLES on KMS | 13:33 |
| Vanfanel | not X | 13:33 |
| Vanfanel | I do need graphics, but not X | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | yes, then you want the pvr driver from the ubuntu archive | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | *dont* use the PPA | 13:33 |
| Vanfanel | I already have everything working on 12.04 core | 13:34 |
| Vanfanel | ah | 13:34 |
| Vanfanel | ok,ok | 13:34 |
| Vanfanel | so, in 13.04, I just don't need to add the PPA! | 13:34 |
| Vanfanel | :D | 13:34 |
| Vanfanel | I just need to install the OMAP4 stuff from the default Ubuntu repos, right?? | 13:34 |
| Vanfanel | on 13.04, that's it | 13:34 |
| ndec | Vanfanel: ogra_: right, iirc, we released the PVR drivers for 13.04 and they were uploaded in the archive. i forgot about that... | 13:36 |
| ndec | i don't remember if what we released at that time had a working EGL/KMS though. | 13:37 |
| ndec | also, that wouldn't get you any Gstreamer codec stuff. | 13:37 |
| ogra_ | ndec, i dont think we changed anything for 13.04 | 13:37 |
| Vanfanel | I don't need any gstreamer stuff, don't worry | 13:37 |
| ogra_ | i know Laney and mlankhorst took quite some effort to keep the quantal stack actually | 13:37 |
| Vanfanel | it's for an "embedded" project that uses GLES/EGL/KMS only | 13:37 |
| ndec | ogra_: still, we don't know what the status of EGL/KMS (e.g. PVR without X11) is with that is in the archive. we might have updaded our drivers in the PPA after we released that to you. | 13:38 |
| Vanfanel | ndec: I would need updated drivers as some libgbm functions this project uses aren't implemented in the libdrm in 12.04 | 13:38 |
| Vanfanel | ndec: so I could use the latest pvr libgbm if available.. | 13:39 |
| ndec | well, the most 'up-to-date' version would be in the 12.04 PPA. | 13:39 |
| ndec | but i am not sure if that would work with 13.04 or not. | 13:40 |
| Vanfanel | particularly, this function is unimplemented: gbm_surface_has_free_buffers() | 13:40 |
| ndec | for sure it wouldn't work with 13.04 if you were using X11 (X11 ABI changed), but for X-less, i don't know | 13:40 |
| Vanfanel | X-less only. But if I won't get any new version in 13.04, I'll stay with 12.04 I guess | 13:41 |
| ndec | well, TI has supported 12.04 until March/April this year. so that's your best bet. | 13:43 |
| ndec | there has never been any official support on 13.04 or beyond. we only made one code drop to canonical for the PVR drivers to be included in 13.04 | 13:43 |
| Vanfanel | I feeld sad for the Pandaboard, it's such a great product :( | 13:47 |
| ndec | Vanfanel: indeed... most people from TI found new jobs... only panda was left alone ;-) | 13:49 |
| Vanfanel | ndec: how hard is it for the PVR on the Panda to get FOSS drivers? For x-less EGL/GLES/KMS stuff without TI involvement | 13:50 |
| Vanfanel | no binaries, in the same manner as Intel chipsets get | 13:51 |
| ndec | well, i would say that if the scale is 1 to 10 (from trivial to complex), i would say 100 ;-) | 13:51 |
| ndec | you realize that you are asking for reverse engineering the PVR GPU, right? | 13:52 |
| Vanfanel | ndec: well, I was thinking about some ex-IT guy doing it by knowing the chip's inners | 13:52 |
| ndec | hehe... i wonder who you might be thinking about ;-) | 13:53 |
| Vanfanel | but according to robclark, you're under DNA | 13:53 |
| Vanfanel | you / him | 13:53 |
| ndec | yeah, i believe so. that would be very complex anyways to write from scratch., very complex. | 13:53 |
| Vanfanel | well, I value a good opinion, so I'm really thankful for your effort in clearing this out for me :) | 13:55 |
| ndec | np. | 13:56 |
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| Vanfanel | hi there, | 19:53 |
| Vanfanel | on an OMAP dev board | 19:53 |
| Vanfanel | is it possible to boot using omapfb instead of omapdrm using TI's kernel? | 19:53 |
| Vanfanel | it boots, by default, with omapdrm | 19:53 |
| Vanfanel | and I need omapfb's specific features | 19:54 |
| Vanfanel | ok... let's see | 20:33 |
| Vanfanel | do you know where can I find the sources for linux-image-3.4.0-1490-omap4 ? | 20:34 |
| Vanfanel | how can I install these sources or where is the git repo to get them? | 20:34 |
| AmEv | Hey again. | 23:26 |
| AmEv | Same question as always: Getting Ubuntu on the Toshiba Thrive. | 23:31 |
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