=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === calculu5 is now known as calculus === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === gavin__ is now known as gavinguo === doko_ is now known as doko === gavin__ is now known as gavinguo [12:38] hi there, [12:39] after adding ppa:tiomap-dev/release repository on Ubuntu 12.04, I wanted to install kernel package: linux-image-3.5.0-223-omap4 [12:40] however, running update & upgrade will only install OMAP4 kernel 3.4 [12:40] do you know what's the problem, please? [12:44] Vanfanel: where is this kernel supposed to come from? [12:45] The one I want to install? From this PPA: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4 [12:45] the 12.04 TI PPA only has 3.4, not 3.5 [12:46] but in that page it says it's supported in 12.04, or am I reading/interpreting it wrong? [12:47] 12.04 is 'precise' [12:48] i don't see 3.5 mentioned as supported in 12.04. [12:48] 12.04 'official' kernel is 3.2, and the TI PPA comes with 3.4 [13:22] ndec: sorry to insist but, what does this line mean then?? [13:23] 3.5.0-233.49 proposed (main) 2013-09-16 [13:23] It's under The Quantal Quetzal [13:23] here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4 [13:23] My understanding on that line is that 3.5 IS supported on QQ [13:24] Obviously I'm wring [13:24] QQ is 12.04 [13:24] wrong [13:24] QQ is 12.10, i meant [13:24] ahh! [13:24] ;-) [13:24] Precisse Pangolin is 12.04 then... [13:24] I see [13:24] haha, now it's clear :D [13:24] Let me add a last question [13:25] Let's see I have that page: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4 [13:25] how could I add that PPA to 13.04, for example? [13:25] this page is not a PPA [13:25] would it be the same? ie: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release [13:25] this web page is the 'official' archive content [13:25] but that page is.. ehmm.. info about a PPA, right? [13:26] no. it's info about a specific package from the ubuntu archive [13:26] ok [13:26] well, ppa:tiomap-dev/release IS a PPA, then [13:27] so I should be able to do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release [13:27] in 13.04 too [13:27] right? [13:28] no [13:28] there are no packages for 13.04 in the PPA [13:28] would be pointless to add it [13:28] but OMAP4 special packages ARE installable in desktop 13.04, as if the PPA would come already installed [13:29] in the ubuntu desktop images all latest packages for GLES support are preinstalled [13:29] so.. where do these packages come from in 13.04? [13:29] from the archive [13:29] they can't be "retrieved" from a repository in 13.04 then? [13:30] from the ubuntu archive [13:30] but they are already installed if yoou use the desktop image, there is nothing to add [13:30] ogra_: you mean from the official Ubuntu repositories, don't you? [13:30] (we dont have codecs for any later release than 12.10) [13:30] yes [13:31] the PPA only offers yoou codecs fro video playback that only work in 12.10 [13:31] there is nothing else in that PPA anymore afaik [13:31] ogra_: I am using 12.04 "core". I got to install from PPA every needed OMAP4 package (kernel, EGL/GLES/libgbm) [13:32] and tried 13.04 ·desktop" [13:32] ugh [13:32] dont use core [13:32] it is not for being used, it is for image builders [13:32] you told me so, ogra_ .. and believe me, I tried the desktop option [13:32] but it's SO slow it's unusable [13:32] (if you want to design an image for a car manufacturer for example) [13:32] totally utterly unusable [13:32] And CORE is fast and light [13:33] I don't need Xorg stuff at all [13:33] sure, then go ahead if you feel like [13:33] why do you fiddle with the PPA then [13:33] so building from core is way easier for me... [13:33] if you dont need graphical stuff [13:33] Because I need EGL/GLES on KMS [13:33] not X [13:33] I do need graphics, but not X [13:33] yes, then you want the pvr driver from the ubuntu archive [13:33] *dont* use the PPA [13:34] I already have everything working on 12.04 core [13:34] ah [13:34] ok,ok [13:34] so, in 13.04, I just don't need to add the PPA! [13:34] :D [13:34] I just need to install the OMAP4 stuff from the default Ubuntu repos, right?? [13:34] on 13.04, that's it [13:36] Vanfanel: ogra_: right, iirc, we released the PVR drivers for 13.04 and they were uploaded in the archive. i forgot about that... [13:37] i don't remember if what we released at that time had a working EGL/KMS though. [13:37] also, that wouldn't get you any Gstreamer codec stuff. [13:37] ndec, i dont think we changed anything for 13.04 [13:37] I don't need any gstreamer stuff, don't worry [13:37] i know Laney and mlankhorst took quite some effort to keep the quantal stack actually [13:37] it's for an "embedded" project that uses GLES/EGL/KMS only [13:38] ogra_: still, we don't know what the status of EGL/KMS (e.g. PVR without X11) is with that is in the archive. we might have updaded our drivers in the PPA after we released that to you. [13:38] ndec: I would need updated drivers as some libgbm functions this project uses aren't implemented in the libdrm in 12.04 [13:39] ndec: so I could use the latest pvr libgbm if available.. [13:39] well, the most 'up-to-date' version would be in the 12.04 PPA. [13:40] but i am not sure if that would work with 13.04 or not. [13:40] particularly, this function is unimplemented: gbm_surface_has_free_buffers() [13:40] for sure it wouldn't work with 13.04 if you were using X11 (X11 ABI changed), but for X-less, i don't know [13:41] X-less only. But if I won't get any new version in 13.04, I'll stay with 12.04 I guess [13:43] well, TI has supported 12.04 until March/April this year. so that's your best bet. [13:43] there has never been any official support on 13.04 or beyond. we only made one code drop to canonical for the PVR drivers to be included in 13.04 [13:47] I feeld sad for the Pandaboard, it's such a great product :( [13:49] Vanfanel: indeed... most people from TI found new jobs... only panda was left alone ;-) [13:50] ndec: how hard is it for the PVR on the Panda to get FOSS drivers? For x-less EGL/GLES/KMS stuff without TI involvement [13:51] no binaries, in the same manner as Intel chipsets get [13:51] well, i would say that if the scale is 1 to 10 (from trivial to complex), i would say 100 ;-) [13:52] you realize that you are asking for reverse engineering the PVR GPU, right? [13:52] ndec: well, I was thinking about some ex-IT guy doing it by knowing the chip's inners [13:53] hehe... i wonder who you might be thinking about ;-) [13:53] but according to robclark, you're under DNA [13:53] you / him [13:53] yeah, i believe so. that would be very complex anyways to write from scratch., very complex. [13:55] well, I value a good opinion, so I'm really thankful for your effort in clearing this out for me :) [13:56] np. === discopig is now known as bromide === nijaba_ is now known as nijaba === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [19:53] hi there, [19:53] on an OMAP dev board [19:53] is it possible to boot using omapfb instead of omapdrm using TI's kernel? [19:53] it boots, by default, with omapdrm [19:54] and I need omapfb's specific features [20:33] ok... let's see [20:34] do you know where can I find the sources for linux-image-3.4.0-1490-omap4 ? [20:34] how can I install these sources or where is the git repo to get them? [23:26] Hey again. [23:31] Same question as always: Getting Ubuntu on the Toshiba Thrive.