[12:38] <Vanfanel> hi there,
[12:39] <Vanfanel> after adding ppa:tiomap-dev/release repository on Ubuntu 12.04, I wanted to install kernel package: linux-image-3.5.0-223-omap4
[12:40] <Vanfanel> however, running update & upgrade will only install OMAP4 kernel 3.4
[12:40] <Vanfanel> do you know what's the problem, please?
[12:44] <ndec> Vanfanel: where is this kernel supposed to come from?
[12:45] <Vanfanel> The one I want to install? From this PPA: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4
[12:45] <ndec> the 12.04 TI PPA only has 3.4, not 3.5
[12:46] <Vanfanel> but in that page it says it's supported in 12.04, or am I reading/interpreting it wrong?
[12:47] <ndec> 12.04 is 'precise'
[12:48] <ndec> i don't see 3.5 mentioned as supported in 12.04.
[12:48] <ndec> 12.04 'official' kernel is 3.2, and the TI PPA comes with 3.4
[13:22] <Vanfanel> ndec: sorry to insist but, what does this line mean then??
[13:23] <Vanfanel> 3.5.0-233.49 proposed (main) 2013-09-16
[13:23] <Vanfanel> It's under The Quantal Quetzal
[13:23] <Vanfanel> here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4
[13:23] <Vanfanel> My understanding on that line is that 3.5 IS supported on QQ
[13:24] <Vanfanel> Obviously I'm wring
[13:24] <ndec> QQ is 12.04
[13:24] <Vanfanel> wrong
[13:24] <ndec> QQ is 12.10, i meant
[13:24] <Vanfanel> ahh!
[13:24] <ndec> ;-)
[13:24] <Vanfanel> Precisse Pangolin is 12.04 then...
[13:24] <Vanfanel> I see
[13:24] <Vanfanel> haha, now it's clear :D
[13:24] <Vanfanel> Let me add a last question
[13:25] <Vanfanel> Let's see I have that page: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4
[13:25] <Vanfanel> how could I add that PPA to 13.04, for example?
[13:25] <ndec> this page is not a PPA
[13:25] <Vanfanel> would it be the same? ie: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release
[13:25] <ndec> this web page is the 'official' archive content
[13:25] <Vanfanel> but that page is.. ehmm..  info about a PPA, right?
[13:26] <ndec> no. it's info about a specific package from the ubuntu archive
[13:26] <Vanfanel> ok
[13:26] <Vanfanel> well, ppa:tiomap-dev/release IS a PPA, then
[13:27] <Vanfanel> so I should be able to do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release
[13:27] <Vanfanel> in 13.04 too
[13:27] <Vanfanel> right?
[13:28] <ogra_> no
[13:28] <ogra_> there are no packages for 13.04 in the PPA
[13:28] <ogra_> would be pointless to add it
[13:28] <Vanfanel> but OMAP4 special packages ARE installable in desktop 13.04, as if the PPA would come already installed
[13:29] <ogra_> in the ubuntu desktop images all latest packages for GLES support are preinstalled
[13:29] <Vanfanel> so.. where do these packages come from in 13.04?
[13:29] <ogra_> from the archive
[13:29] <Vanfanel> they can't be "retrieved" from a repository in 13.04 then?
[13:30] <ogra_> from the ubuntu archive
[13:30] <ogra_> but they are already installed if yoou use the desktop image, there is nothing to add
[13:30] <Vanfanel> ogra_: you mean from the official Ubuntu repositories, don't you?
[13:30] <ogra_> (we dont have codecs for any later release than 12.10)
[13:30] <ogra_> yes
[13:31] <ogra_> the PPA only offers yoou codecs fro video playback that only work in 12.10
[13:31] <ogra_> there is nothing else in that PPA anymore afaik
[13:31] <Vanfanel> ogra_: I am using 12.04 "core". I got to install from PPA every needed OMAP4 package (kernel, EGL/GLES/libgbm)
[13:32] <Vanfanel> and tried 13.04 ·desktop"
[13:32] <ogra_> ugh
[13:32] <ogra_> dont use core
[13:32] <ogra_> it is not for being used, it is for image builders
[13:32] <Vanfanel> you told me so, ogra_ .. and believe me, I tried the desktop option
[13:32] <Vanfanel> but it's SO slow it's unusable
[13:32] <ogra_> (if you want to design an image for a car manufacturer for example)
[13:32] <Vanfanel> totally utterly unusable
[13:32] <Vanfanel> And CORE is fast and light
[13:33] <Vanfanel> I don't need Xorg stuff at all
[13:33] <ogra_> sure, then go ahead if you feel like
[13:33] <ogra_> why do you fiddle with the PPA then
[13:33] <Vanfanel> so building from core is way easier for me...
[13:33] <ogra_> if you dont need graphical stuff
[13:33] <Vanfanel> Because I need EGL/GLES on KMS
[13:33] <Vanfanel> not X
[13:33] <Vanfanel> I do need graphics, but not X
[13:33] <ogra_> yes, then you want the pvr driver from the ubuntu archive
[13:33] <ogra_> *dont* use the PPA
[13:34] <Vanfanel> I already have everything working on 12.04 core
[13:34] <Vanfanel> ah
[13:34] <Vanfanel> ok,ok
[13:34] <Vanfanel> so, in 13.04, I just don't need to add the PPA!
[13:34] <Vanfanel> :D
[13:34] <Vanfanel> I just need to install the OMAP4 stuff from the default Ubuntu repos, right??
[13:34] <Vanfanel> on 13.04, that's it
[13:36] <ndec> Vanfanel: ogra_: right, iirc, we released the PVR drivers for 13.04 and they were uploaded in the archive. i forgot about that...
[13:37] <ndec> i don't remember if what we released at that time had a working EGL/KMS though.
[13:37] <ndec> also, that wouldn't get you any Gstreamer codec stuff.
[13:37] <ogra_> ndec, i dont think we changed anything for 13.04
[13:37] <Vanfanel> I don't need any gstreamer stuff, don't worry
[13:37] <ogra_> i know Laney and mlankhorst took quite some effort to keep the quantal stack actually
[13:37] <Vanfanel> it's for an "embedded" project that uses GLES/EGL/KMS only
[13:38] <ndec> ogra_: still, we don't know what the status of EGL/KMS (e.g. PVR without X11) is with that is in the archive. we might have updaded our drivers in the PPA after we released that to you.
[13:38] <Vanfanel> ndec: I would need updated drivers as some libgbm functions this project uses aren't implemented in the libdrm in 12.04
[13:39] <Vanfanel> ndec: so I could use the latest pvr libgbm if available..
[13:39] <ndec> well, the most 'up-to-date' version would be in the 12.04 PPA.
[13:40] <ndec> but i am not sure if that would work with 13.04 or not.
[13:40] <Vanfanel> particularly, this function is unimplemented: gbm_surface_has_free_buffers()
[13:40] <ndec> for sure it wouldn't work with 13.04 if you were using X11 (X11 ABI changed), but for X-less, i don't know
[13:41] <Vanfanel> X-less only. But if I won't get any new version in 13.04, I'll stay with 12.04 I guess
[13:43] <ndec> well, TI has supported 12.04 until March/April this year. so that's your best bet.
[13:43] <ndec> there has never been any official support on 13.04 or beyond. we only made one code drop to canonical for the PVR drivers to be included in 13.04
[13:47] <Vanfanel> I feeld sad for the Pandaboard, it's such a great product :(
[13:49] <ndec> Vanfanel: indeed... most people from TI found new jobs... only panda was left alone ;-)
[13:50] <Vanfanel> ndec: how hard is it for the PVR on the Panda to get FOSS drivers? For x-less EGL/GLES/KMS stuff without TI involvement
[13:51] <Vanfanel> no binaries, in the same manner as Intel chipsets get
[13:51] <ndec> well, i would say that if the scale is 1 to 10 (from trivial to complex), i would say 100 ;-)
[13:52] <ndec> you realize that you are asking for reverse engineering the PVR GPU, right?
[13:52] <Vanfanel> ndec: well, I was thinking about some ex-IT guy doing it by knowing the chip's inners
[13:53] <ndec> hehe... i wonder who you might be thinking about ;-)
[13:53] <Vanfanel> but according to robclark, you're under DNA
[13:53] <Vanfanel> you / him
[13:53] <ndec> yeah, i believe so. that would be very complex anyways to write from scratch., very complex.
[13:55] <Vanfanel> well, I value a good opinion, so I'm really thankful for your effort in clearing this out for me :)
[13:56] <ndec> np.
[19:53] <Vanfanel> hi there,
[19:53] <Vanfanel> on an OMAP dev board
[19:53] <Vanfanel> is it possible to boot using omapfb instead of omapdrm using TI's kernel?
[19:53] <Vanfanel> it boots, by default, with omapdrm
[19:54] <Vanfanel> and I need omapfb's specific features
[20:33] <Vanfanel> ok... let's see
[20:34] <Vanfanel> do you know where can I find the sources for linux-image-3.4.0-1490-omap4 ?
[20:34] <Vanfanel> how can I install these sources or where is the git repo to get them?
[23:26] <AmEv> Hey again.
[23:31] <AmEv> Same question as always: Getting Ubuntu on the Toshiba Thrive.