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Quintasanbloody ell that was tiring00:29
QuintasanRiddell: as I said, I'll start KTp 0.7 later today.00:30
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lordievaderyofel: Yes I did try to fix the problem, I also found what the problem was. Jockey depends on an older version of the apt-api. I fixed the jockey-text -l, jockey-kde has a slew of other problems :(06:15
lordievaderGood morning, btw.06:15
soeehi lordievader 06:26
soeeso is there a chance that this drivers installer problem will be fixed any soon ?06:26
valoriesoee: did you file a bug?06:27
lordievaderHey soee, valorie. How are you both today?06:28
soeevalorie, this was reported few times from what iv seen06:28
valoriewell, that doesn't mean anyone took the time to file a bug report06:28
valoriehi lordievader06:28
soeelordievader, hi im fine, though spent yesterday 2 hours trying to make nvidia drivers work :D without success06:29
valoriegood here, winding down the day06:29
lordievadersoee: Ugh, drivers can be a pita. :(06:29
valoriesoee: I heard yesterday that nvidia are opening up their code06:29
lordievadervalorie: :)06:29
valoriesomeone observed that hell was freezing over06:29
valorielol06:29
soeevalorie, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/1226819 ?06:29
ubottuUbuntu bug 1226819 in jockey (Ubuntu) "kubuntu 13.10 jockey bug" [Undecided,Incomplete]06:29
valoriethey were discussing that earlier -- more testing needed06:30
lordievaderHas the jockey been fixed o.o ?06:30
valorieI thought jockey was being deprecated06:33
valoriebut I haven't heard of anything to replace it06:33
valoriesometimes misspelled 'jokey' which seems more like it.....06:34
lordievadervalorie: That's what I heard too.06:35
lordievaderPerhaps its back to the good old figuring out what you need and downloading the blob from their website.06:35
valorieI remember the 'good old days06:36
valorienot so good06:36
lordievaderYeah that is quite true... Too bad the jockey is getting deprecated.06:37
valorieI'm not sure that's true; but I heard that06:39
valorieas i say, I've not seen a replacement06:40
yofeljockey core is deprecated in favour of ubuntu-drivers-common, but I don't know where Ubuntu has the UI part either06:46
yofelJT once tried to make a KCM for it, but failed on the fact that kpythonpluginfactory doesn't support py306:47
valorieok06:48
smartboyhwQuintasan, I got kte-collaborative handy here08:14
apacheloggeroh I guess I should have downloaded amd64 for qa08:15
jussithis is interesting http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2013/09/05/could-we-see-a-finnish-smartphone-from-nokia-in-2016-jolla-sailfish-android08:16
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cortexA9hello09:35
apacheloggeryofel: bug 1217110 is with a regular kubuntu session?09:52
ubottubug 1217110 in pinentry (Ubuntu) "pinentry-qt4 crashed with SIGSEGV in QString::indexOf()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121711009:52
apacheloggeroh god that is shitty code09:52
apacheloggerwho writes stuff like that09:52
Riddellapachelogger: might be related to input methods09:53
apacheloggeryeah, I know why it crashes but it seems curious that it would suddenly start doing that09:53
apacheloggerbug 92716709:54
ubottubug 927167 in ibus-qt (Ubuntu) "pinentry-qt4 crashed with SIGABRT in qt_message_output()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92716709:54
apacheloggerattached patch should solve the crash nicely09:55
apacheloggerand there is ibus 1.3.209:55
apachelogger....09:55
apacheloggerI'll selectively backport that fix09:56
Riddelllovely10:01
apacheloggerRiddell: how is that localized http://i.imgur.com/2hMRgV5.png10:04
apacheloggerand why are the categories not localized :O10:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: didn't you fix that quite a while ago?10:05
cyberangelRegression in Kubuntu Saucy. I cannot add static routes on OpenVPN connections using the new plasma-nm. Just filed the bug 123019810:05
ubottubug 1230198 in plasma-nm (Ubuntu) "(kubuntu saucy) Cannot add static routes on OpenVPN connections" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123019810:05
Riddellapachelogger: it's not?10:05
apacheloggerRiddell: that's bad?10:06
apacheloggerRiddell: do you have a plan on how to localize that?10:06
Riddellyes10:06
Riddellnot yet10:06
apacheloggerthat's even worse10:06
* apachelogger cries in a corner10:06
apacheloggerand I still managed to get discover stuck on the sources page not ever going to any other tab10:06
smartboyhwcyberangel, report it upstream?10:07
Riddellapol said he'd look at that but not heard anything10:07
apacheloggerhttp://i.imgur.com/aSycqMQ.png10:07
apacheloggerneed a different image there10:07
apacheloggerRiddell: anyone looked into the solid cpu thing?10:07
Riddellapachelogger: only to confirm it doesn't work because of something missing in /sys10:09
apachelogger:/10:09
apacheloggercolord still not localized10:10
apacheloggerkio-mtp still not localized10:10
apacheloggerlightdm themes apparently have more strings that cannot be localized10:11
apacheloggerkubuntu stuff still not localized10:12
apacheloggerparts of discover still not localized10:12
Riddellmm ubiquity on ubuntu unity doesn't have the nm crash issue, probably because nm is running on the ubiquity only session10:17
apacheloggerRiddell: no backtrace for bug 1164236 ? :(10:20
ubottubug 1164236 in plasma-mobile (Ubuntu) "13.04 beta 2 plasma active crashes on startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116423610:20
Riddellapachelogger: no, none came up, didn't have time to go further into it10:21
apacheloggerhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-i386.iso.zsync10:22
apacheloggerI like how it says desktop so you get to overwrite your actual desktop iso :O10:22
apacheloggercould take a while, intartubes is very slow10:23
apacheloggerso, seems to me all other issues are ubiquity related10:24
apacheloggersomehow I get the feeling that list of bugs is not as complete as it should be :P 10:24
apacheloggerzic zic zic needs a fix10:25
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1195255] No ubiquity on Kubuntu Netbook desktop @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195255 (by Jonathan Riddell)10:25
apacheloggerRiddell: https://trello.com/c/6PUHfiSe what's the status on that actually?10:26
Riddellapachelogger: still on shadeslayer's todo10:28
apacheloggerRiddell: is https://trello.com/c/DplmVapI done yet? overdue for a month now10:41
Riddellapachelogger: well no it needs that tabs fix10:41
Riddellapol: will you be able to look at that soon?10:41
apacheloggerI think that should be a separate card TBH10:42
apacheloggerdoesn't necessarily have to do with approval/rejection of it as default PM10:42
Riddellor just a bug10:42
apacheloggerI'd make a card... issues with discover or something10:42
apacheloggerthen post everything on that card10:42
apacheloggeri.e. tab problem, l10n for categories and list/grid options, l10n for the banner thingy10:43
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Riddelllist/grid options?10:43
apacheloggerinstalled tab -> wand in the options box -> switch between list or grid view ... the strings are not localized and supposedly not localizable to begin with10:45
Riddellhmm10:45
apolRiddell: I'll try to find a day for muon+kubuntu this week10:45
* apachelogger sighs at kdepim10:45
apacheloggerfirst we had the kmail import wizard, then we had ktnef of which I am still not sure what it does, and now we also got headerthemeditor10:46
apacheloggerperhaps we should ask them to also put ls and bash and cat in the menu10:46
apacheloggerohohoh10:47
apacheloggerRiddell: why do I have superkaramba in my menu Oo10:47
apacheloggeruhm10:48
apacheloggerfor some reason firefox installer loading just took forever10:49
apacheloggeri.e. discover with firefox10:49
apacheloggeralso screenshot is not working for some reason10:49
apacheloggerRiddell: plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba   | superkaramba                   | plasma-scriptengines (Recommends)     | Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>                     |          261568 |            101210:57
apacheloggeris that intentional or did we simply pick that up from debian?10:57
apachelogger  * Drop plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba from recommends to suggests, no10:58
apachelogger    need to have it on the CD since it's really just compatibility with KDE 310:58
apacheloggeris what we had before10:58
cortexA9hello11:00
apacheloggerohm, apparently we have superkaramba on the iso for a while Oo11:02
apacheloggeror not11:03
apacheloggerI am too stupid to use bzr11:03
* apachelogger fastexports to git11:03
apacheloggerAH11:04
apacheloggerwe didn't have -scriptengines11:04
apacheloggerbut now11:04
cortexA9apachelogger11:04
apacheloggerplasma-scriptengines               | kde-workspace                  | kde-workspace-bin (Recommends)        | Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>                     |           13952 |             15311:04
apacheloggercortexA9: it wasn't me11:05
cortexA9you know if there are problem with grub if install kubuntu and windows 8 ?11:05
apacheloggershouldn't be11:05
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cortexA9*if i11:05
smartboyhwcortexA9, shouldn't happen11:05
smartboyhwshadeslayer is an expert on that :p11:05
cortexA9i mean problems with dual booting11:06
smartboyhwcortexA9, did you install an i386 image? Or an amd64 one?11:06
apacheloggerah yes11:06
apacheloggerRiddell:       - kde-workspace-bin suggests plasma-scriptengines instead of11:07
apachelogger        recommend11:07
apacheloggeryou dropped a delta ^^11:07
cortexA9smartboyhw just asking..11:07
cortexA9install nothing right now11:07
cortexA9smartboyhw: it's an automatic process ?11:09
cortexA9or i need to do something11:09
cortexA9because i see on the forum that people have problems with grub11:10
Riddellapachelogger: can you fix?11:14
apacheloggeralready committed11:14
cortexA9Riddell11:15
cortexA9you know if it's an automatic process ?11:15
cortexA9grub configured with windows 8 choice11:15
RiddellcortexA9: well it ought to be but our windows 8 story probably isn't as good as it should be11:22
apacheloggerafiestas: http://i.imgur.com/JD2LlW7.png who do I have to talk to about that menu entry?11:32
afiestasapachelogger: ltnkl 11:32
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Mamarokreally, folks, Nepomuk is still not running correctly, even with KDE 4.11.111:47
MamarokvHanda: ^11:47
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Mamarokcould we get that fixed ASAP?11:48
MamarokvHanda: and having the systray icon back would really be nice, I forwarded you a few mails about that11:48
ovidiu-florinhow long does it take for a package to get into backports?11:51
Mamarokovidiu-florin: that depends on the availability of a packager11:52
ovidiu-florinMamarok: please explain. What does that mean?11:52
Mamarokwell, somebody has to package it11:52
Mamarokovidiu-florin: what package do you talk about?11:53
ovidiu-florinjust in general, not a specific one11:53
Riddellas much as I hate to join the nepomuk moaning I also have virtuoso running at 68% of CPU :(11:54
xnoxRiddell: agateau: ScottK: i now believe that bug 1220193 is a duplicate of 1178638 which I have a fix for locally & will be uploading soon.11:54
ubottubug 1220193 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity kde frontend crash setting up wireless when ubiquity only or oem-config" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122019311:54
xnoxbug 117863811:54
ubottubug 1178638 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Saucy) "Exception in GTK frontend when attempting to connect to wifi: no logind support" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117863811:54
ScottKCool.11:54
Riddellxnox: ooh good news :)11:54
Mamarokovidiu-florin: depends on the package, on the availability of a person to do the work, and of course whether a request has been made11:55
ovidiu-florinMamarok: for example KTp12:12
BluesKaj'Morning folks12:18
cortexA9morning12:18
smartboyhwTechnically, backports are easy12:20
smartboyhw(SOMETIMES)12:20
smartboyhwIf there are wrong dependencies, uh oh:P12:20
cortexA9hehe12:21
BluesKajsoee:  how did you manage with the nvidia-319 driver ?12:22
soeeBluesKaj, nope12:23
smartboyhwWorse even if you have build problems with an older gc12:23
smartboyhw*gcc12:23
soeei ended up with fresh system installation :D12:23
soeeBluesKaj, but i think ill use Raring because i cant make propriety drivers to work12:24
BluesKajsoee:  that still just installs the default nouvrau12:24
BluesKajnouveau rather12:24
BluesKajdid you try nividia-current?12:24
soeeBluesKaj, but on Raring i can use Additional drivers panel to ctivate nvidias12:25
soeeand it doesnt work on Saucy12:25
BluesKajyeah true, jockey still works on raring12:25
soee:)12:26
soeeon Saucy the lates 325 from edgers dont work12:26
soeeif i install 319 system wont start 12:27
soeei wonder if it gets fixed soon12:27
BluesKajI have the 325 on beta1 , soee ..works fine on my 8400gs 12:29
soeeoO12:29
BluesKajhaven't tried yet on beta2 12:29
soeeBluesKaj, i see them active in Additional drivers panel but all effects are down etc. 12:30
soeei have 650M12:30
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BluesKajyeah soee the higher end nvidia cards aren't as well supported for some reason12:35
soeeBluesKaj, but 650M isnt any new or something12:37
BluesKajinstalling nvidia-325 from xedgers as we speak , wish me luck :)12:52
soee:)12:54
BluesKaj dkms status:  nvidia-325, 325.15, 3.11.0-8-generic, x86_64: installed13:00
BluesKajlooking good so far for the nvidia-325 on saucy beta 2 13:08
soee:<>13:11
soeelucky you :)13:11
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smartboyhwSecond Dot article out!13:26
smartboyhwhttp://dot.kde.org/2013/09/25/frameworks-5 \o/13:29
BluesKajsoee:  I've seen the nvidia 600 series cards encounter driver problems in the past , unfortunately, but I don't know if there's a fix . I know that some have filed bugs about it..13:30
soeesmartboyhw, nice work :)13:32
soeeBluesKaj, laso i have 2 gpu on my laptop i wonder if this can cause some problems13:32
soeethere is some intel and nvidia13:32
soeeon Windows this intel is used by default when there is no need for more powerful, and nvidia is activated when more power is needed13:33
yofelsmartboyhw++13:37
BluesKajsoee:  yes , then you need to install bumblebee if it's the optimus gpu system 13:53
lordievaderGood afternoon.14:06
Riddellhi lordievader 14:07
lordievaderHey Riddell, how are you?14:07
cortexA9hi Riddell14:07
ovidiu-florinRiddell lordievader http://geekaliens.com/blog/2013/09/site-ul-kubuntu-romania-a-fost-lansat/14:08
ovidiu-florinyou may google translate if you want14:09
ovidiu-florinalso BluesKaj and ScottK ^^14:09
ovidiu-florinand everybody else who's interested14:09
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, ha ha ha, nice opening ceremony:P14:10
Riddellovidiu-florin: did you crack open some champagne on the monitor? :)14:11
ovidiu-florinWine14:11
ovidiu-florinThat's me and my fiance Laura14:11
ovidiu-florinthat was a surprise she prepared for me14:12
ovidiu-florinand she got dressed in white & blue (kubunu colors)14:12
lordievaderThat's great!14:12
smartboyhwCheers!14:12
Quintasanlol14:13
QuintasanYeah, that's nice.14:13
ovidiu-florinShe made me promise that every day, I'll work on that site at least 15 minutes14:13
lordievaderRiddell: Could you run the doc generator script again? As Valter Mura pointed out in the Kubuntu-devel mailing list, http://docs.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved.html looks very strange. However on my test setup it looks normal...14:14
lordievaderovidiu-florin: Good promise!14:14
lordievaderovidiu-florin: You're fiance is also a Kubuntu fan?14:15
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, interesting14:16
ovidiu-florinShe is using Kubuntu because of me and she wants to contribute but she doesn't really have much time for that14:17
apacheloggeryofel: https://trello.com/c/wAxCfl94 did you want to handle that?14:17
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, wow14:18
* smartboyhw thinks ovidiu-florin's fiance can be the second valorie (LOL)14:18
ovidiu-florinvalorie?14:18
lordievaderHehe, nice ;)14:18
ovidiu-florinmy brother also uses Kubuntu but he wants to switch distros because of the nvidia drivers14:19
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, whoa, you don't know valorie? 0.014:19
smartboyhwThe only current Kubuntu Council women (am I correct?)14:19
* ovidiu-florin wonders how many women are there in the kubuntu comunity...14:20
BluesKajmethinks valorie is a guy 14:20
apacheloggeranyone at all interessted in UFW?14:20
smartboyhwapachelogger, UFW?14:20
apacheloggerBluesKaj: she's a lady14:20
apacheloggerUFW = unidentified firewall14:20
apacheloggeror something equally silly14:21
smartboyhwNo thanks....14:21
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: uncomplicated firewall14:21
ovidiu-florinwhy?14:21
BluesKajok , I stand corrected apachelogger14:21
apacheloggerhave a task for it https://trello.com/c/OUuTZcud14:21
apacheloggeri.e. the checking out existing GUIs for their viability is a non-development thing so that can be done by anyone who's interested in having a firewall gui14:21
ovidiu-florinI would be interested in that, but I'm not sure how much time I have to allocate to that since the school just started14:23
ovidiu-florinwhat's the deadline?14:24
apacheloggerno deadline14:24
ovidiu-florinwhat do you mean?14:24
apacheloggerwhenever you have time or anyone has time really14:25
ovidiu-florinok, then I'm in14:25
ovidiu-florin:D14:25
apacheloggerit's not a hard feature target, people just keep asking for it so we should try to come up with something useful at some point14:25
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: awesome14:25
ovidiu-florinAFAIK there are a few GUIS14:26
ovidiu-florinbut in GTK14:26
ovidiu-florinbut I think I saw one in Qt, not sure though14:26
soeeBluesKaj, ok im home, ill try to fix this nvidia drivers now :)14:27
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncomplicated_Firewall#GUIs_for_Uncomplicated_Firewall14:28
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: I at least know of two in Qt, but both did not look very easy to use, so unless something better can be found I would not opposed to the idea of rewriting one of the GTK UIs using Qt14:28
apacheloggerI am not sure that list is complete ^614:28
apacheloggerbut it at least has 2 qt based ones14:28
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: maybe just try the 2 qt ones and see how easy they are to use14:29
apacheloggerbecause the gufw UI is pretty much what I expect the default experience to be14:30
apacheloggerthere's plenty of UIs to do all the advanced firewall management stuff, there's nothing that allows you to do simple yes/no stuff14:30
yofelapachelogger: I did plan to look at that, but I'm constantly postponing it (at least it doesn't break anything right now)14:31
apacheloggeryofel: going to throw work time at it tomorrow, if you have anything to comment on what/where/when/why plz do ^^14:33
apacheloggerneed to get that todo list cleaned up for release14:33
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: any links to the qt one you've found?14:33
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: I think that's the two from wikipedia the KCM and kmyfirewall14:34
ovidiu-florinoh, I missed them, my browser window wasn't maximized14:35
Quintasansmartboyhw, my friend, I'd recommend you show the package to Debian guys to see what it needs to get included into Debian.14:35
QuintasanI'm talking about kate-collaborative of course.14:35
smartboyhwQuintasan, it's kte-collaborative:P14:35
smartboyhwOK, sure14:36
QuintasanUh, branding hell14:36
smartboyhwBut I heard that kte-collaborative depends on KTp >= \0.6.8014:36
QuintasanIt does, and I am working on it in Debian.14:37
apacheloggergo fix some kubuntu bugs instead :@14:37
smartboyhwapachelogger, HA HA HA HA HAH14:37
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: I can't comment on trello. Am I not supposed to?14:39
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: do you have an account?14:40
ovidiu-florinYes14:40
ovidiu-florinI'm not a member of that board14:40
ovidiu-florinI'm only using the Kubuntu Romania board so far14:40
ovidiu-florinRiddell: can I be a member of the 13.10 board on trello?14:41
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: you are now kubuntu member on trello :)14:41
ovidiu-florinthank you14:41
apacheloggerif you reload the page you should be able to join the board and comment14:42
ovidiu-florinyeeey14:42
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: can I move that cart in the Doing List?14:44
ovidiu-florincard*14:44
Riddellapachelogger: your netbook fix seems to do the job, I'll throw it in and respin for beta 214:44
apacheloggeryofel, Riddell: oh, I just noticed https://trello.com/c/kpN1Nh2S the entire algorithm of that was implemented for the autosnapshotter of neon5 14:44
apacheloggerRiddell: groovy14:44
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: sure14:44
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: take a look at this: http://youtu.be/gLmRo7dYbJg?t=6m45s14:48
ovidiu-florinlooks pretty neat to me14:48
ovidiu-florinI'll test it once I get home14:48
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apacheloggerRiddell: so... we have two new entires in the menu ktnef which is a windows mail something file viewer thing and an editor for the email haeder in kmail, both of which IMO should not be in the default install and montel says we can put them them in separate packages without problems (i.e. they are meant to be standalone)14:57
apacheloggerRiddell: any objections to me splitting those thingums from whatever generic kdepim package they are in right now?14:57
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: could still be simpler ^^14:58
Quintasanapachelogger actually +1 on that14:59
apacheloggerUpdated:  May 23 201214:59
QuintasanI was wondering wtf those things are and why would I need the,14:59
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: may be worthwhile to mail the author and ask if he is still working on it14:59
ovidiu-florinshouldn't this be taken by KDE and published?15:00
apacheloggerQuintasan: y u no file bugz?15:00
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: that'd be the long term target15:00
QuintasanI haz had no internetz apachelogger15:00
apacheloggerQuintasan: u mad bro?15:00
QuintasanNot really. Could take a break from you :P15:00
apachelogger:(15:01
Quintasanthat said15:01
Quintasankubotu: order beer for apachelogger15:01
* kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.15:01
apacheloggeru no luv me? 15:01
apacheloggersweet baby jesus15:01
apacheloggerthat kcm got a lot of files15:01
Quintasankubotu: order vodka for apachelogger15:01
* kubotu slides vodka down the bar to apachelogger15:01
apacheloggerit has a lineedit.cpp15:02
QuintasanWe clearly need more lines for kubotu apachelogger15:02
smartboyhwkubotu: order beer for shadeslayer 15:02
* kubotu gives shadeslayer a nice frosty mug of beer.15:02
smartboyhwThat was for the roll on working un-rebuildable packages the past days:P15:03
apacheloggerQuintasan: eh wha?15:03
apacheloggerkubotu: order good beer15:03
* kubotu slides the finest Belgium Trappist beer down the bar to apachelogger.15:03
apacheloggerthere a bazillion lines, you just don't know em :P15:03
Quintasantry ordering vodka15:03
apacheloggervodka is for alcoholics15:03
QuintasanGo ahead and try telling me you are not.15:04
apacheloggerreal men conduct partys15:04
apacheloggerkubotu: order party set15:04
* kubotu gives everyone a party hat and a hand full of conffeti.15:04
QuintasanI wouldn't believe you even if you pai...or maybe if you paid me I would believe it.15:04
apacheloggerthere we go15:04
Quintasankubotu: order whisky for apachelogger15:04
* kubotu slides whisky down the bar to apachelogger15:04
Quintasanmeh15:04
smartboyhwkubotu: order coke for smartboyhw15:05
* kubotu slides a cold can of tasty Coca Cola(r) down the bar to smartboyhw.15:05
Riddellapachelogger: if they're split will they not be installed by default?15:05
smartboyhwI love Coca-Cola(r) !15:05
apacheloggerkubotu: order breakfast, de15:05
* kubotu slides a Knoppix down the bar to apachelogger.15:05
apacheloggerkubotu: thanks15:05
apacheloggerRiddell: nah, not on the seed15:05
Quintasankubotu: order breakfast, en15:05
* kubotu slides breakfast, en down the bar to Quintasan15:05
apacheloggerRiddell: i.e. ktnef.deb kmail-headerwahtever.deb15:06
apacheloggerQuintasan: uk I think15:06
Quintasankubotu: order breakfast, uk15:06
apacheloggeror us15:06
* kubotu slides breakfast, uk down the bar to Quintasan15:06
Quintasankubotu: order breakfast, us15:06
* kubotu slides breakfast cereals, a bagel, 2 pancakes, scrambled eggs and a cup of hot coffee down the bar to Quintasan.15:06
Quintasanhm15:06
apacheloggerkubotu: order breakfast, uk, full for Quintasan15:06
* kubotu slides scrambled eggs, bacon, one sausage, black pudding, mushrooms, baked beans, hash browns, half of a tomato, one toast and a tea with fresh milk down the bar to Quintasan.15:06
QuintasanYes, more like it.15:06
apachelogger^^15:06
QuintasanI still believe we need more alcohol in there.15:07
apacheloggerkubotu: order breakfast, at for Riddell15:07
* kubotu slides 5 floors of backon and some wurst with bread, a glass of schnaps and a new deck down the bar to Riddell.15:07
smartboyhwWow15:07
apachelogger^ it's for when you want to kill someone15:07
smartboyhwkubotu: order dinner15:07
* kubotu slides dinner down the bar to smartboyhw15:07
smartboyhw:(15:07
apacheloggerQuintasan: that statement may be true regardless of location and time of day15:07
apacheloggeroh15:08
apacheloggeralso classi15:08
apacheloggerc15:08
apacheloggerkubotu: order cookies, xmas15:08
* kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to apachelogger and shouts: Happy whatever -.-15:08
Quintasanthat said ordering vodka should make kubotu slide 5 chilled shots of vodka down the bar15:08
smartboyhwkubotu: order dinner, uk15:08
* kubotu slides dinner, uk down the bar to smartboyhw15:08
smartboyhwHuh15:08
Riddellapachelogger: but what if a user needs them? will they know to install them?15:09
apacheloggerkubotu: order data for Quintasan15:09
* kubotu is telling Quintasan that they performed an illegal operation and needs to be exterminated.15:09
Quintasanas for whisky I believe we should ask Riddell for opinion15:09
apacheloggerRiddell: they won't15:09
apacheloggerRiddell: those two tools are new in .1115:09
apacheloggerktnef requires you to have weird windows mail server attachments and requires you to know how to handle them, that you can handle them etc. 15:09
QuintasanClearly not what our generic users want.15:09
apacheloggerand well, editing the header kmail displays with...15:09
apacheloggernot a deal breaking use case ^^15:10
apacheloggerkubotu: order mai tai for Quintasan15:10
* kubotu shakes 3cl white rum, 1.5 cl orange curaçao, 1.5 cl Orgeat syrup and 1 cl fresh lime juice, strains it into a glass and floats 3 cl dark rum onto the top, and slides the cocktail down the bar to Quintasan. Voilà, your Mai Tai :)15:10
apacheloggermany useful recipes that old robot has :P15:10
QuintasanYou clearly have too much time on your hands :P15:11
QuintasanAdd the vodka one on the double!15:11
apacheloggerwhile I was on the amarok team we did not drink vodka!15:11
apacheloggerhence why there is no vodka support15:11
apacheloggerkubotu: order enterprise15:12
* kubotu shouts ENGAGE!15:12
apachelogger^ true story15:12
QuintasanThen I demand whisky support at least15:12
apacheloggerQuintasan: first we need to know what kind of whisky etc.15:13
QuintasanRiddell: Your opinion is needed.15:13
QuintasanThe aforementioned topic requires your expertise on the subject.15:13
* apachelogger leaves for supper15:17
RiddellQuintasan: what what?15:18
QuintasanRiddell: We are discussing what kind of whisky should kubotu serve were youto order one15:19
soeeanyone here running nvidia drivers with this optimus  function ?15:27
RiddellQuintasan: oh a Balvenie Doublewood naturally15:32
Quintasansoee: Me.15:33
RiddellQuintasan: but you could also ask Nightrose, she's leart about the goodness of the Irn Bru recently15:33
Quintasanapachelogger: ^^15:33
soeeQuintasan, saucy / raring ?15:33
Quintasanraring15:33
soeeQuintasan, are you using maybe nvidia-prime or bumblebee ?15:34
Quintasanbumblebee15:34
soeeQuintasan, ok i think ill go for raring as i cant make nvidia work on saucy15:34
Riddelllordievader: sorry I didn't get back to you, we'll need to look to tidy up the docs downloader after beta 2 tomorrow15:39
Riddellovidiu-florin: can I reblog your blog post?15:39
ovidiu-florinRiddell: sure15:39
Riddellovidiu-florin: did you get in contact with the ubuntu ro people? would be nice to be friends with them15:40
Riddellsuggest they add a link to the ro.kubuntu site for example15:40
ovidiu-florinnot yet. I'm not sure what to say15:40
ovidiu-florinRiddell: do you want a translation for my blog post?15:40
lordievaderRiddell: Sure, we'll do it tommorow.15:41
soeeoh lord.. invalid or corrupt kenrel image :)15:41
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, have you got an IRC channel for Kubuntu Romania?15:41
ovidiu-florinno15:41
ovidiu-florinI wanted to ask for one15:41
ovidiu-florinalso a mail list15:41
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, sure, we can set up all that.15:41
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels for creating your IRC channel15:42
Riddellovidiu-florin: maybe say "hi sorry I didn't get in contact before, I don't want to split the community just provide another option for people who use kde in ubuntu, can we swap links?"15:43
Riddellbut with more padding to it15:43
smartboyhwSo your channel should be #kubuntu-ro15:43
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, here are two options to set up a mailing list15:43
smartboyhw1. Make a Launchpad team, and use the in-built mailing list feature15:43
smartboyhw2. make a lists.ubuntu.com mailing list15:43
ovidiu-florinso there is now way we could get something like romania@kubuntu.org address?15:45
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, emmm...15:45
smartboyhwI think you need to ask Canonical IS15:46
ovidiu-florinas a mail list15:46
smartboyhwSince @kubuntu.org address are normally for Kubuntu Members15:46
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, ^15:47
ovidiu-florinok15:47
ovidiu-florinI'll ask the others15:47
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, what's more, mailing lists normally do have a @lists.*.* stuff;P15:47
ovidiu-florinand see what we'll do15:47
ovidiu-florinfor me that's simple... for some people that might be hard to memorize15:48
smartboyhwyou can setup the IRC channel today15:48
ovidiu-florinwill do when I get home15:48
ovidiu-florinadded it to trello15:48
ovidiu-florinsmartboyhw: https://trello.com/b/OxkEQ8dS/kubuntu-romania15:48
ovidiu-florinthank you15:49
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, nice, :)15:49
ovidiu-florinthank you Riddell for the mail proposal15:49
Riddellhttp://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/25/site-ul-kubuntu-rom%C3%A2nia-fost-lansat15:50
smartboyhw"Now that's style" :15:50
smartboyhw:015:50
smartboyhw:)15:50
Sick_RimmitHello folks15:53
Sick_RimmitI'm struggling like heck trying to install Kubuntu 13.04 on a MacPro 1 - has anyone here got any advice please ?15:54
smartboyhwDo we have amd64+mac images again for 13.04?15:54
ovidiu-florinRiddell: :)15:55
Sick_RimmitI couldn't see on eon the UK Mirro15:55
ovidiu-florinawesome15:55
Sick_RimmitSeems that its an EFI issue, as it gets stuck with the <Select CD-ROM Boot Type:> prompt 15:58
davmor2Sick_Rimmit: first of all are you trying with a 64bit version of Kubuntu as it is efi based?16:00
Sick_Rimmitdavmor2: Yes I have the AMD64 image16:00
Sick_RimmitFRom the docs I have read so far it appears to be an issue with Mac, as others have got stuck at this prompt, but I can't find my way aroundit16:01
Sick_RimmitHoping that someone here may have come across this before16:01
davmor2Sick_Rimmit: not me I'm afraid16:07
Sick_RimmitWell I'm starting to get a littl e frustrated now, so that means in anouth 30 minutes there will be an Ex Mac Pro sitting on my drive in the rain if anyone wants it16:08
davmor2Sick_Rimmit: out of interest where does it die?  I'm thinking that if it is getting to the installer and then dying you could try booting into Live Desktop mode?16:08
Sick_Rimmitdavmor2: It boots to a black screen that says 1. 2. Select CD-ROm Boot Type:16:09
Sick_Rimmitdavmor2: Of course you can't select anything because it appers the keyboard buffer is not beeing red.16:10
Sick_Rimmitdavmor2: If I understand it correctly, it is because Apple made a half arsed job of the EFI system on the Mac Pro 1's16:10
davmor2Sick_Rimmit: have you tried booting from usb rather than cdrom?16:10
Sick_Rimmitdavmor2: Apparently some have got it to work by holding the 1 + Enter key down prior to the boot, 16:11
Sick_Rimmitdavmor2: No I haven't tried that16:11
Sick_RimmitBut I will16:11
davmor2Sick_Rimmit: EFI reads a usb drive and cdrom differently, so there is a very slim chance that it might get further16:12
Sick_Rimmitdavmor2: Roger that, its worth a try16:12
soeeQuintasan, how did you installed 319 on Raring ?16:24
soeei see only 313 in Additional Drivers16:24
Mamarokovidiu-florin: nice pictures of your site launch :) Congratulations!16:26
ovidiu-florinMamarok: thank you16:26
BluesKajsoee:  I think the 319 drivers are available at xedgers ppa , deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu saucy main 16:52
soeeBluesKaj, yes16:53
soeejust installed them with 325 i think 16:53
soeei need to upgrade KDE than ill test how it works16:54
BluesKajsoee:  install dkms then run, dkms status , to show the installed driver17:05
soeehmm 325 are active and i dont see 31917:12
soeebut i cant set Opengl 3.117:13
BluesKajsoe try the raster setting for Qt graphics first, then OpenGL 3.1 17:23
BluesKajsoee: ^17:24
soeeI wonder if it uses this integrated intel card or nvidia17:25
BluesKajdepends on your power settings perhaps , and whether or not you're on battery or line power17:27
soeeit is impossible to set opengl17:27
soeehmm cant start kded417:29
soeepower managmend is not loaded ..17:30
Sick_Rimmitdavmor2: Ah, no joy with the USB stick im afraid :-( worth a try though17:49
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1195255] No ubiquity on Kubuntu Netbook desktop @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195255 (by Jonathan Riddell)17:51
Sick_RimmitAh ha17:54
Sick_RimmitWe might be in luck, I have found a 12.04 LTS release+mac image in the repo17:55
Sick_RimmitI am gonna try that17:55
Sick_Rimmitdavmor2: Thanks for helping me out, I really appreciate your input.17:56
soeewhen upgrading KDE 4.10 => 4.11 kscreen should be stopped ?17:59
soeealso option Unsupported updates should be checked by default ?18:01
soeeok finally  i was able to run opengl 3.1 ;O18:45
ovidiu-florinHome at last18:45
ovidiu-florinRiddell: are you around?19:27
soeewhat is the command to upgrade 13.04 -> 13.10 ?20:20
Blizzzdo-release-upgrade -d20:26
Blizzzsoee: ^20:26
soeeBlizzz, thanks20:27
Blizzzyw20:27
apacheloggerQuintasan: so what's the nus on the whisky?21:09
Quintasanapachelogger: According to our Whisky Overlord Riddell, Balvenie Doublewood shall be it21:10
apacheloggeris that a name or what?21:10
QuintasanI believe it is21:11
apachelogger"use it in a sentence please"21:11
QuintasanHm21:11
QuintasanGIVE ME SOME Balvenie Doublewood BLOODY FOOL, ELSE I'M GOIN' TO THROW S'ME AX'S AT YOU21:12
apacheloggerthat sounds almost scottish21:12
Quintasanlol21:12
QuintasanIt's 12yo single malt21:12
apacheloggerRiddell: can we get a proper scottish sentence using the the name plz? :P21:12
apacheloggerI want agression and stuff and "what ya lookink at?"21:13
apacheloggerQuintasan: what does that mean?21:13
apacheloggerother than it probably went bad already because its ETOOOLD21:13
QuintasanI believe that single malt is whisky made at one particular distilery using a single malt21:15
apacheloggerkubotu: wp single malt21:16
kubotuerror googling for single malt21:16
apacheloggerololo21:16
apacheloggerthe google is broken21:16
* apachelogger duckduckwalks21:17
apacheloggerSingle malt whisky is a whisky made at one particular distillery from a mash that uses only malted grain, ordinarily barley.21:17
Quintasanuh, malt is a malt, what do you want me to explain about it xD21:17
QuintasanMakes sense21:17
QuintasanI was missing the barley part21:18
apacheloggercan you make booze from !malted grain?21:18
apacheloggerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_whisky21:19
apacheloggertha wikipedia knows it all21:19
Quintasankubotu should slide a slightly chilled glass of finest 12 years old Balvenie Doublewood down the bar shouting something Scottish at him21:19
apacheloggerIn Scotland, "malt whisky" must use a 100% malted barley mash and must be distilled in a pot still, whereas grain whisky is typically distilled in a continuous column still in a manner that results in a higher percentage of alcohol by volume (ABV), but less flavorful spirit.21:20
apacheloggeroh whay what, why21:20
Quintasanlike YA'D BETTER DOWN THAT IN A SINGLE GO CHAP21:20
apacheloggerso grain whisky is superior because it got more of the boozyness21:20
QuintasanMaybe, it's less flavorful though.21:21
apacheloggerQuintasan: nonono he'd be shouting "what are ye looking at"21:21
apacheloggerand wave his fist21:21
apacheloggerQuintasan: if ye down it in a one go ye aint gonna notice, now are ye?21:21
apacheloggerclearly ye POVs are all mixed up21:21
QuintasanWatch'a lookin' at chap?21:22
apachelogger Because of this practice, grain whisky is seldom bottled by itself in Scotland, where it is instead manufactured primarily for blending with malt whisky to create blended whiskies, which account for over 90% of all Scotch whisky sales.21:22
apacheloggerQuintasan: scotts aint saying chap21:22
Quintasans/chap/bloody bastard/21:22
kubotuQuintasan meant: "Watch'a lookin' at bloody bastard?"21:22
apacheloggermore like it21:22
apacheloggeralso I think we want a blended whisky21:22
QuintasanHell no, we want a single malt21:23
apacheloggerfor it has superior boozyness and superior flavor21:23
apacheloggeryou can enjoy the flavor and throw it down like water, so everyone is happy21:23
QuintasanBalvenie Doublewood has Riddell's seal of approval, you can't go wrong with that.21:23
apacheloggerbut it aint got no boozyness :P21:24
QuintasanI has damn 40% or more21:25
QuintasanYou need more?21:25
apachelogger90% of scotch whisky sales say we need more!21:25
Quintasanapachelogger: Spirytus Rektyfikowany Luksusowy 96%21:26
Quintasandrink this21:26
apacheloggeris that a name?21:26
apachelogger"use it in a sentence please"21:26
QuintasanDaj Pani trochę Luksusowego, co?21:27
QuintasanGive me some Luksusowy, wont'cha?21:27
apacheloggerthat's what kubotu will say21:27
QuintasanIt's a spirit21:27
apacheloggerit's sufficient gibberish that people can believe it got the boozyness21:28
QuintasanLOL21:28
QuintasanIt's VAC is 96% as you can see in the name21:28
apacheloggerI figured21:28
QuintasanYou don't drink that by itself unless you really want to end up dead.21:28
apacheloggeryou drink it with a glass of whisky on the side21:28
apacheloggera ha!21:29
QuintasanI no longer have any idea what's your thought process.21:29
apacheloggerI don't either21:29
apacheloggerETOOTIRED21:29
apacheloggerplease be sending a letter to darth vader asking him to ask sauron to call me and tell me the password for the deathstar so I can change kubotu21:31
apacheloggerthat how tired I am21:31
apacheloggeranywayz21:31
apacheloggerQuintasan: if you write me the lines of drunken gibberish kubotu should yell I can add the super abilities21:31
apacheloggeruntil then 21:31
apacheloggerkubotu: order bed21:31
* kubotu is placing a cot for apachelogger in the corner of #kubuntu-devel.21:31
apacheloggerkubotu: :*21:31
soeeyofel, got a moment ?21:38
Riddellooh new builds are up22:01
Riddell!testers | beta 2 candidates22:02
ubottubeta 2 candidates: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56 for information.22:02
soeeuhm22:06
soeei have yesterdays iso22:06
soeeits outdated ?22:06
Riddellyeah, that's old news22:17
Riddellzsync the new ones22:17
soeeuh i just installed that build on my laptop :D22:18
soeei can test tomorrow on VM22:18
Riddella testers life is never finished22:18
soeethis optimus technology from nvidia is a mess22:19
soeeRiddell, i have one question22:22
soeeafter fresh installation when i open muon and edit its properties inside Updtes tab option Unsupported updates is checked22:23
soeethis should be that way ?22:23
Riddellsoee: nope, that should be -proposed22:39
soeeRiddell, ok but 4th option is checked - the one i mentioned22:39
Riddellsounds like a bug22:44
Riddellsoee: sorry I'm tired and not able to confirm, but report it upstream if you think it's a problem22:57
Riddellyay for xnox, wifi working22:58
Riddellagateau: ↑22:58
Riddellyay for apachelogger, netbook working22:58
Riddellyay for working OEM23:34
xnoxall sounds  very good ! \o/23:41
QuintasanHmm23:52
QuintasanRiddell: I think I'll have to package libkpeople first to get the beta done23:52
RiddellQuintasan: that sounds likely23:52
QuintasanIt's going to be more work than expected yet again23:52
QuintasanDebian is not sure if they want it in since it's likely to have ABI breakage and I'm not so keen on maintaining two different versions of pacakaging23:53
Riddellum, isn't Debian unfrozen?23:53
QuintasanI'd love to have the beta with libkpeople23:53
QuintasanScottK probably knows23:53
Riddellit is, sid unfrozen into jessie23:57
RiddellQuintasan: so debian will take it even if not yet for the beta23:57
Riddelland it'll go in a ppa for kubuntu and we'll take it after 13.10 is out23:58
Riddellso it'll need packaged, may as well do it sooner23:58
Riddellthan later23:58
QuintasanCertainly, for now I will go to bed, I have the preliminary work done so the rest should be easy once I manage to pester someone to review it.23:58
Riddellgood idea, I will go to bed too23:59

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