[00:29] <Quintasan> bloody ell that was tiring
[00:30] <Quintasan> Riddell: as I said, I'll start KTp 0.7 later today.
[06:15] <lordievader> yofel: Yes I did try to fix the problem, I also found what the problem was. Jockey depends on an older version of the apt-api. I fixed the jockey-text -l, jockey-kde has a slew of other problems :(
[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning, btw.
[06:26] <soee> hi lordievader 
[06:26] <soee> so is there a chance that this drivers installer problem will be fixed any soon ?
[06:27] <valorie> soee: did you file a bug?
[06:28] <lordievader> Hey soee, valorie. How are you both today?
[06:28] <soee> valorie, this was reported few times from what iv seen
[06:28] <valorie> well, that doesn't mean anyone took the time to file a bug report
[06:28] <valorie> hi lordievader
[06:29] <soee> lordievader, hi im fine, though spent yesterday 2 hours trying to make nvidia drivers work :D without success
[06:29] <valorie> good here, winding down the day
[06:29] <lordievader> soee: Ugh, drivers can be a pita. :(
[06:29] <valorie> soee: I heard yesterday that nvidia are opening up their code
[06:29] <lordievader> valorie: :)
[06:29] <valorie> someone observed that hell was freezing over
[06:29] <valorie> lol
[06:29] <soee> valorie, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/1226819 ?
[06:30] <valorie> they were discussing that earlier -- more testing needed
[06:30] <lordievader> Has the jockey been fixed o.o ?
[06:33] <valorie> I thought jockey was being deprecated
[06:33] <valorie> but I haven't heard of anything to replace it
[06:34] <valorie> sometimes misspelled 'jokey' which seems more like it.....
[06:35] <lordievader> valorie: That's what I heard too.
[06:35] <lordievader> Perhaps its back to the good old figuring out what you need and downloading the blob from their website.
[06:36] <valorie> I remember the 'good old days
[06:36] <valorie> not so good
[06:37] <lordievader> Yeah that is quite true... Too bad the jockey is getting deprecated.
[06:39] <valorie> I'm not sure that's true; but I heard that
[06:40] <valorie> as i say, I've not seen a replacement
[06:46] <yofel> jockey core is deprecated in favour of ubuntu-drivers-common, but I don't know where Ubuntu has the UI part either
[06:47] <yofel> JT once tried to make a KCM for it, but failed on the fact that kpythonpluginfactory doesn't support py3
[06:48] <valorie> ok
[08:14] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, I got kte-collaborative handy here
[08:15] <apachelogger> oh I guess I should have downloaded amd64 for qa
[08:16] <jussi> this is interesting http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2013/09/05/could-we-see-a-finnish-smartphone-from-nokia-in-2016-jolla-sailfish-android
[09:35] <cortexA9> hello
[09:52] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 1217110 is with a regular kubuntu session?
[09:52] <apachelogger> oh god that is shitty code
[09:52] <apachelogger> who writes stuff like that
[09:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: might be related to input methods
[09:53] <apachelogger> yeah, I know why it crashes but it seems curious that it would suddenly start doing that
[09:54] <apachelogger> bug 927167
[09:55] <apachelogger> attached patch should solve the crash nicely
[09:55] <apachelogger> and there is ibus 1.3.2
[09:55] <apachelogger> ....
[09:56] <apachelogger> I'll selectively backport that fix
[10:01] <Riddell> lovely
[10:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: how is that localized http://i.imgur.com/2hMRgV5.png
[10:05] <apachelogger> and why are the categories not localized :O
[10:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: didn't you fix that quite a while ago?
[10:05] <cyberangel> Regression in Kubuntu Saucy. I cannot add static routes on OpenVPN connections using the new plasma-nm. Just filed the bug 1230198
[10:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's not?
[10:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's bad?
[10:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have a plan on how to localize that?
[10:06] <Riddell> yes
[10:06] <Riddell> not yet
[10:06] <apachelogger> that's even worse
[10:06]  * apachelogger cries in a corner
[10:06] <apachelogger> and I still managed to get discover stuck on the sources page not ever going to any other tab
[10:07] <smartboyhw> cyberangel, report it upstream?
[10:07] <Riddell> apol said he'd look at that but not heard anything
[10:07] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/aSycqMQ.png
[10:07] <apachelogger> need a different image there
[10:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: anyone looked into the solid cpu thing?
[10:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: only to confirm it doesn't work because of something missing in /sys
[10:09] <apachelogger> :/
[10:10] <apachelogger> colord still not localized
[10:10] <apachelogger> kio-mtp still not localized
[10:11] <apachelogger> lightdm themes apparently have more strings that cannot be localized
[10:12] <apachelogger> kubuntu stuff still not localized
[10:12] <apachelogger> parts of discover still not localized
[10:17] <Riddell> mm ubiquity on ubuntu unity doesn't have the nm crash issue, probably because nm is running on the ubiquity only session
[10:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: no backtrace for bug 1164236 ? :(
[10:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, none came up, didn't have time to go further into it
[10:22] <apachelogger> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[10:22] <apachelogger> I like how it says desktop so you get to overwrite your actual desktop iso :O
[10:23] <apachelogger> could take a while, intartubes is very slow
[10:24] <apachelogger> so, seems to me all other issues are ubiquity related
[10:24] <apachelogger> somehow I get the feeling that list of bugs is not as complete as it should be :P 
[10:25] <apachelogger> zic zic zic needs a fix
[10:25] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1195255] No ubiquity on Kubuntu Netbook desktop @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195255 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[10:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/6PUHfiSe what's the status on that actually?
[10:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: still on shadeslayer's todo
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: is https://trello.com/c/DplmVapI done yet? overdue for a month now
[10:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: well no it needs that tabs fix
[10:41] <Riddell> apol: will you be able to look at that soon?
[10:42] <apachelogger> I think that should be a separate card TBH
[10:42] <apachelogger> doesn't necessarily have to do with approval/rejection of it as default PM
[10:42] <Riddell> or just a bug
[10:42] <apachelogger> I'd make a card... issues with discover or something
[10:42] <apachelogger> then post everything on that card
[10:43] <apachelogger> i.e. tab problem, l10n for categories and list/grid options, l10n for the banner thingy
[10:43] <Riddell> list/grid options?
[10:45] <apachelogger> installed tab -> wand in the options box -> switch between list or grid view ... the strings are not localized and supposedly not localizable to begin with
[10:45] <Riddell> hmm
[10:45] <apol> Riddell: I'll try to find a day for muon+kubuntu this week
[10:45]  * apachelogger sighs at kdepim
[10:46] <apachelogger> first we had the kmail import wizard, then we had ktnef of which I am still not sure what it does, and now we also got headerthemeditor
[10:46] <apachelogger> perhaps we should ask them to also put ls and bash and cat in the menu
[10:47] <apachelogger> ohohoh
[10:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: why do I have superkaramba in my menu Oo
[10:48] <apachelogger> uhm
[10:49] <apachelogger> for some reason firefox installer loading just took forever
[10:49] <apachelogger> i.e. discover with firefox
[10:49] <apachelogger> also screenshot is not working for some reason
[10:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba   | superkaramba                   | plasma-scriptengines (Recommends)     | Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>                     |          261568 |            1012
[10:57] <apachelogger> is that intentional or did we simply pick that up from debian?
[10:58] <apachelogger>   * Drop plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba from recommends to suggests, no
[10:58] <apachelogger>     need to have it on the CD since it's really just compatibility with KDE 3
[10:58] <apachelogger> is what we had before
[11:00] <cortexA9> hello
[11:02] <apachelogger> ohm, apparently we have superkaramba on the iso for a while Oo
[11:03] <apachelogger> or not
[11:03] <apachelogger> I am too stupid to use bzr
[11:03]  * apachelogger fastexports to git
[11:04] <apachelogger> AH
[11:04] <apachelogger> we didn't have -scriptengines
[11:04] <apachelogger> but now
[11:04] <cortexA9> apachelogger
[11:04] <apachelogger> plasma-scriptengines               | kde-workspace                  | kde-workspace-bin (Recommends)        | Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>                     |           13952 |             153
[11:05] <apachelogger> cortexA9: it wasn't me
[11:05] <cortexA9> you know if there are problem with grub if install kubuntu and windows 8 ?
[11:05] <apachelogger> shouldn't be
[11:05] <cortexA9> *if i
[11:05] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, shouldn't happen
[11:05] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer is an expert on that :p
[11:06] <cortexA9> i mean problems with dual booting
[11:06] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, did you install an i386 image? Or an amd64 one?
[11:06] <apachelogger> ah yes
[11:07] <apachelogger> Riddell:       - kde-workspace-bin suggests plasma-scriptengines instead of
[11:07] <apachelogger>         recommend
[11:07] <apachelogger> you dropped a delta ^^
[11:07] <cortexA9> smartboyhw just asking..
[11:07] <cortexA9> install nothing right now
[11:09] <cortexA9> smartboyhw: it's an automatic process ?
[11:09] <cortexA9> or i need to do something
[11:10] <cortexA9> because i see on the forum that people have problems with grub
[11:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: can you fix?
[11:14] <apachelogger> already committed
[11:15] <cortexA9> Riddell
[11:15] <cortexA9> you know if it's an automatic process ?
[11:15] <cortexA9> grub configured with windows 8 choice
[11:22] <Riddell> cortexA9: well it ought to be but our windows 8 story probably isn't as good as it should be
[11:32] <apachelogger> afiestas: http://i.imgur.com/JD2LlW7.png who do I have to talk to about that menu entry?
[11:32] <afiestas> apachelogger: ltnkl 
[11:47] <Mamarok> really, folks, Nepomuk is still not running correctly, even with KDE 4.11.1
[11:47] <Mamarok> vHanda: ^
[11:48] <Mamarok> could we get that fixed ASAP?
[11:48] <Mamarok> vHanda: and having the systray icon back would really be nice, I forwarded you a few mails about that
[11:51] <ovidiu-florin> how long does it take for a package to get into backports?
[11:52] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: that depends on the availability of a packager
[11:52] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: please explain. What does that mean?
[11:52] <Mamarok> well, somebody has to package it
[11:53] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: what package do you talk about?
[11:53] <ovidiu-florin> just in general, not a specific one
[11:54] <Riddell> as much as I hate to join the nepomuk moaning I also have virtuoso running at 68% of CPU :(
[11:54] <xnox> Riddell: agateau: ScottK: i now believe that bug 1220193 is a duplicate of 1178638 which I have a fix for locally & will be uploading soon.
[11:54] <xnox> bug 1178638
[11:54] <ScottK> Cool.
[11:54] <Riddell> xnox: ooh good news :)
[11:55] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: depends on the package, on the availability of a person to do the work, and of course whether a request has been made
[12:12] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: for example KTp
[12:18] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:18] <cortexA9> morning
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Technically, backports are easy
[12:20] <smartboyhw> (SOMETIMES)
[12:20] <smartboyhw> If there are wrong dependencies, uh oh:P
[12:21] <cortexA9> hehe
[12:22] <BluesKaj> soee:  how did you manage with the nvidia-319 driver ?
[12:23] <soee> BluesKaj, nope
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Worse even if you have build problems with an older gc
[12:23] <smartboyhw> *gcc
[12:23] <soee> i ended up with fresh system installation :D
[12:24] <soee> BluesKaj, but i think ill use Raring because i cant make propriety drivers to work
[12:24] <BluesKaj> soee:  that still just installs the default nouvrau
[12:24] <BluesKaj> nouveau rather
[12:24] <BluesKaj> did you try nividia-current?
[12:25] <soee> BluesKaj, but on Raring i can use Additional drivers panel to ctivate nvidias
[12:25] <soee> and it doesnt work on Saucy
[12:25] <BluesKaj> yeah true, jockey still works on raring
[12:26] <soee> :)
[12:26] <soee> on Saucy the lates 325 from edgers dont work
[12:27] <soee> if i install 319 system wont start 
[12:27] <soee> i wonder if it gets fixed soon
[12:29] <BluesKaj> I have the 325 on beta1 , soee ..works fine on my 8400gs 
[12:29] <soee> oO
[12:29] <BluesKaj> haven't tried yet on beta2 
[12:30] <soee> BluesKaj, i see them active in Additional drivers panel but all effects are down etc. 
[12:30] <soee> i have 650M
[12:35] <BluesKaj> yeah soee the higher end nvidia cards aren't as well supported for some reason
[12:37] <soee> BluesKaj, but 650M isnt any new or something
[12:52] <BluesKaj> installing nvidia-325 from xedgers as we speak , wish me luck :)
[12:54] <soee> :)
[13:00] <BluesKaj>  dkms status:  nvidia-325, 325.15, 3.11.0-8-generic, x86_64: installed
[13:08] <BluesKaj> looking good so far for the nvidia-325 on saucy beta 2 
[13:11] <soee> :<>
[13:11] <soee> lucky you :)
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Second Dot article out!
[13:29] <smartboyhw> http://dot.kde.org/2013/09/25/frameworks-5 \o/
[13:30] <BluesKaj> soee:  I've seen the nvidia 600 series cards encounter driver problems in the past , unfortunately, but I don't know if there's a fix . I know that some have filed bugs about it..
[13:32] <soee> smartboyhw, nice work :)
[13:32] <soee> BluesKaj, laso i have 2 gpu on my laptop i wonder if this can cause some problems
[13:32] <soee> there is some intel and nvidia
[13:33] <soee> on Windows this intel is used by default when there is no need for more powerful, and nvidia is activated when more power is needed
[13:37] <yofel> smartboyhw++
[13:53] <BluesKaj> soee:  yes , then you need to install bumblebee if it's the optimus gpu system 
[14:06] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:07] <Riddell> hi lordievader 
[14:07] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you?
[14:07] <cortexA9> hi Riddell
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell lordievader http://geekaliens.com/blog/2013/09/site-ul-kubuntu-romania-a-fost-lansat/
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> you may google translate if you want
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> also BluesKaj and ScottK ^^
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> and everybody else who's interested
[14:10] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, ha ha ha, nice opening ceremony:P
[14:11] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: did you crack open some champagne on the monitor? :)
[14:11] <ovidiu-florin> Wine
[14:11] <ovidiu-florin> That's me and my fiance Laura
[14:12] <ovidiu-florin> that was a surprise she prepared for me
[14:12] <ovidiu-florin> and she got dressed in white & blue (kubunu colors)
[14:12] <lordievader> That's great!
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Cheers!
[14:13] <Quintasan> lol
[14:13] <Quintasan> Yeah, that's nice.
[14:13] <ovidiu-florin> She made me promise that every day, I'll work on that site at least 15 minutes
[14:14] <lordievader> Riddell: Could you run the doc generator script again? As Valter Mura pointed out in the Kubuntu-devel mailing list, http://docs.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved.html looks very strange. However on my test setup it looks normal...
[14:14] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Good promise!
[14:15] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: You're fiance is also a Kubuntu fan?
[14:16] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, interesting
[14:17] <ovidiu-florin> She is using Kubuntu because of me and she wants to contribute but she doesn't really have much time for that
[14:17] <apachelogger> yofel: https://trello.com/c/wAxCfl94 did you want to handle that?
[14:18] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, wow
[14:18]  * smartboyhw thinks ovidiu-florin's fiance can be the second valorie (LOL)
[14:18] <ovidiu-florin> valorie?
[14:18] <lordievader> Hehe, nice ;)
[14:19] <ovidiu-florin> my brother also uses Kubuntu but he wants to switch distros because of the nvidia drivers
[14:19] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, whoa, you don't know valorie? 0.0
[14:19] <smartboyhw> The only current Kubuntu Council women (am I correct?)
[14:20]  * ovidiu-florin wonders how many women are there in the kubuntu comunity...
[14:20] <BluesKaj> methinks valorie is a guy 
[14:20] <apachelogger> anyone at all interessted in UFW?
[14:20] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, UFW?
[14:20] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: she's a lady
[14:20] <apachelogger> UFW = unidentified firewall
[14:21] <apachelogger> or something equally silly
[14:21] <smartboyhw> No thanks....
[14:21] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: uncomplicated firewall
[14:21] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[14:21] <BluesKaj> ok , I stand corrected apachelogger
[14:21] <apachelogger> have a task for it https://trello.com/c/OUuTZcud
[14:21] <apachelogger> i.e. the checking out existing GUIs for their viability is a non-development thing so that can be done by anyone who's interested in having a firewall gui
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> I would be interested in that, but I'm not sure how much time I have to allocate to that since the school just started
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> what's the deadline?
[14:24] <apachelogger> no deadline
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> what do you mean?
[14:25] <apachelogger> whenever you have time or anyone has time really
[14:25] <ovidiu-florin> ok, then I'm in
[14:25] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[14:25] <apachelogger> it's not a hard feature target, people just keep asking for it so we should try to come up with something useful at some point
[14:25] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: awesome
[14:26] <ovidiu-florin> AFAIK there are a few GUIS
[14:26] <ovidiu-florin> but in GTK
[14:26] <ovidiu-florin> but I think I saw one in Qt, not sure though
[14:27] <soee> BluesKaj, ok im home, ill try to fix this nvidia drivers now :)
[14:28] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncomplicated_Firewall#GUIs_for_Uncomplicated_Firewall
[14:28] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: I at least know of two in Qt, but both did not look very easy to use, so unless something better can be found I would not opposed to the idea of rewriting one of the GTK UIs using Qt
[14:28] <apachelogger> I am not sure that list is complete ^6
[14:28] <apachelogger> but it at least has 2 qt based ones
[14:29] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: maybe just try the 2 qt ones and see how easy they are to use
[14:30] <apachelogger> because the gufw UI is pretty much what I expect the default experience to be
[14:30] <apachelogger> there's plenty of UIs to do all the advanced firewall management stuff, there's nothing that allows you to do simple yes/no stuff
[14:31] <yofel> apachelogger: I did plan to look at that, but I'm constantly postponing it (at least it doesn't break anything right now)
[14:33] <apachelogger> yofel: going to throw work time at it tomorrow, if you have anything to comment on what/where/when/why plz do ^^
[14:33] <apachelogger> need to get that todo list cleaned up for release
[14:33] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: any links to the qt one you've found?
[14:34] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: I think that's the two from wikipedia the KCM and kmyfirewall
[14:35] <ovidiu-florin> oh, I missed them, my browser window wasn't maximized
[14:35] <Quintasan> smartboyhw, my friend, I'd recommend you show the package to Debian guys to see what it needs to get included into Debian.
[14:35] <Quintasan> I'm talking about kate-collaborative of course.
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, it's kte-collaborative:P
[14:36] <smartboyhw> OK, sure
[14:36] <Quintasan> Uh, branding hell
[14:36] <smartboyhw> But I heard that kte-collaborative depends on KTp >= \0.6.80
[14:37] <Quintasan> It does, and I am working on it in Debian.
[14:37] <apachelogger> go fix some kubuntu bugs instead :@
[14:37] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, HA HA HA HA HAH
[14:39] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I can't comment on trello. Am I not supposed to?
[14:40] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: do you have an account?
[14:40] <ovidiu-florin> Yes
[14:40] <ovidiu-florin> I'm not a member of that board
[14:40] <ovidiu-florin> I'm only using the Kubuntu Romania board so far
[14:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: can I be a member of the 13.10 board on trello?
[14:41] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: you are now kubuntu member on trello :)
[14:41] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[14:42] <apachelogger> if you reload the page you should be able to join the board and comment
[14:42] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey
[14:44] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: can I move that cart in the Doing List?
[14:44] <ovidiu-florin> card*
[14:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: your netbook fix seems to do the job, I'll throw it in and respin for beta 2
[14:44] <apachelogger> yofel, Riddell: oh, I just noticed https://trello.com/c/kpN1Nh2S the entire algorithm of that was implemented for the autosnapshotter of neon5 
[14:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: groovy
[14:44] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: sure
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: take a look at this: http://youtu.be/gLmRo7dYbJg?t=6m45s
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> looks pretty neat to me
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> I'll test it once I get home
[14:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: so... we have two new entires in the menu ktnef which is a windows mail something file viewer thing and an editor for the email haeder in kmail, both of which IMO should not be in the default install and montel says we can put them them in separate packages without problems (i.e. they are meant to be standalone)
[14:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: any objections to me splitting those thingums from whatever generic kdepim package they are in right now?
[14:58] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: could still be simpler ^^
[14:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger actually +1 on that
[14:59] <apachelogger> Updated:  May 23 2012
[14:59] <Quintasan> I was wondering wtf those things are and why would I need the,
[14:59] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: may be worthwhile to mail the author and ask if he is still working on it
[15:00] <ovidiu-florin> shouldn't this be taken by KDE and published?
[15:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: y u no file bugz?
[15:00] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: that'd be the long term target
[15:00] <Quintasan> I haz had no internetz apachelogger
[15:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: u mad bro?
[15:00] <Quintasan> Not really. Could take a break from you :P
[15:01] <apachelogger> :(
[15:01] <Quintasan> that said
[15:01] <Quintasan> kubotu: order beer for apachelogger
[15:01]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.
[15:01] <apachelogger> u no luv me? 
[15:01] <apachelogger> sweet baby jesus
[15:01] <apachelogger> that kcm got a lot of files
[15:01] <Quintasan> kubotu: order vodka for apachelogger
[15:01]  * kubotu slides vodka down the bar to apachelogger
[15:02] <apachelogger> it has a lineedit.cpp
[15:02] <Quintasan> We clearly need more lines for kubotu apachelogger
[15:02] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order beer for shadeslayer 
[15:02]  * kubotu gives shadeslayer a nice frosty mug of beer.
[15:03] <smartboyhw> That was for the roll on working un-rebuildable packages the past days:P
[15:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: eh wha?
[15:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: order good beer
[15:03]  * kubotu slides the finest Belgium Trappist beer down the bar to apachelogger.
[15:03] <apachelogger> there a bazillion lines, you just don't know em :P
[15:03] <Quintasan> try ordering vodka
[15:03] <apachelogger> vodka is for alcoholics
[15:04] <Quintasan> Go ahead and try telling me you are not.
[15:04] <apachelogger> real men conduct partys
[15:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: order party set
[15:04]  * kubotu gives everyone a party hat and a hand full of conffeti.
[15:04] <Quintasan> I wouldn't believe you even if you pai...or maybe if you paid me I would believe it.
[15:04] <apachelogger> there we go
[15:04] <Quintasan> kubotu: order whisky for apachelogger
[15:04]  * kubotu slides whisky down the bar to apachelogger
[15:04] <Quintasan> meh
[15:05] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order coke for smartboyhw
[15:05]  * kubotu slides a cold can of tasty Coca Cola(r) down the bar to smartboyhw.
[15:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: if they're split will they not be installed by default?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> I love Coca-Cola(r) !
[15:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: order breakfast, de
[15:05]  * kubotu slides a Knoppix down the bar to apachelogger.
[15:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: thanks
[15:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: nah, not on the seed
[15:05] <Quintasan> kubotu: order breakfast, en
[15:05]  * kubotu slides breakfast, en down the bar to Quintasan
[15:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: i.e. ktnef.deb kmail-headerwahtever.deb
[15:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: uk I think
[15:06] <Quintasan> kubotu: order breakfast, uk
[15:06] <apachelogger> or us
[15:06]  * kubotu slides breakfast, uk down the bar to Quintasan
[15:06] <Quintasan> kubotu: order breakfast, us
[15:06]  * kubotu slides breakfast cereals, a bagel, 2 pancakes, scrambled eggs and a cup of hot coffee down the bar to Quintasan.
[15:06] <Quintasan> hm
[15:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: order breakfast, uk, full for Quintasan
[15:06]  * kubotu slides scrambled eggs, bacon, one sausage, black pudding, mushrooms, baked beans, hash browns, half of a tomato, one toast and a tea with fresh milk down the bar to Quintasan.
[15:06] <Quintasan> Yes, more like it.
[15:06] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:07] <Quintasan> I still believe we need more alcohol in there.
[15:07] <apachelogger> kubotu: order breakfast, at for Riddell
[15:07]  * kubotu slides 5 floors of backon and some wurst with bread, a glass of schnaps and a new deck down the bar to Riddell.
[15:07] <smartboyhw> Wow
[15:07] <apachelogger> ^ it's for when you want to kill someone
[15:07] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order dinner
[15:07]  * kubotu slides dinner down the bar to smartboyhw
[15:07] <smartboyhw> :(
[15:07] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that statement may be true regardless of location and time of day
[15:08] <apachelogger> oh
[15:08] <apachelogger> also classi
[15:08] <apachelogger> c
[15:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookies, xmas
[15:08]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to apachelogger and shouts: Happy whatever -.-
[15:08] <Quintasan> that said ordering vodka should make kubotu slide 5 chilled shots of vodka down the bar
[15:08] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order dinner, uk
[15:08]  * kubotu slides dinner, uk down the bar to smartboyhw
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Huh
[15:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: but what if a user needs them? will they know to install them?
[15:09] <apachelogger> kubotu: order data for Quintasan
[15:09]  * kubotu is telling Quintasan that they performed an illegal operation and needs to be exterminated.
[15:09] <Quintasan> as for whisky I believe we should ask Riddell for opinion
[15:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: they won't
[15:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: those two tools are new in .11
[15:09] <apachelogger> ktnef requires you to have weird windows mail server attachments and requires you to know how to handle them, that you can handle them etc. 
[15:09] <Quintasan> Clearly not what our generic users want.
[15:09] <apachelogger> and well, editing the header kmail displays with...
[15:10] <apachelogger> not a deal breaking use case ^^
[15:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: order mai tai for Quintasan
[15:10]  * kubotu shakes 3cl white rum, 1.5 cl orange curaçao, 1.5 cl Orgeat syrup and 1 cl fresh lime juice, strains it into a glass and floats 3 cl dark rum onto the top, and slides the cocktail down the bar to Quintasan. Voilà, your Mai Tai :)
[15:10] <apachelogger> many useful recipes that old robot has :P
[15:11] <Quintasan> You clearly have too much time on your hands :P
[15:11] <Quintasan> Add the vodka one on the double!
[15:11] <apachelogger> while I was on the amarok team we did not drink vodka!
[15:11] <apachelogger> hence why there is no vodka support
[15:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: order enterprise
[15:12]  * kubotu shouts ENGAGE!
[15:12] <apachelogger> ^ true story
[15:12] <Quintasan> Then I demand whisky support at least
[15:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: first we need to know what kind of whisky etc.
[15:13] <Quintasan> Riddell: Your opinion is needed.
[15:13] <Quintasan> The aforementioned topic requires your expertise on the subject.
[15:17]  * apachelogger leaves for supper
[15:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: what what?
[15:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: We are discussing what kind of whisky should kubotu serve were youto order one
[15:27] <soee> anyone here running nvidia drivers with this optimus  function ?
[15:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: oh a Balvenie Doublewood naturally
[15:33] <Quintasan> soee: Me.
[15:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: but you could also ask Nightrose, she's leart about the goodness of the Irn Bru recently
[15:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^^
[15:33] <soee> Quintasan, saucy / raring ?
[15:33] <Quintasan> raring
[15:34] <soee> Quintasan, are you using maybe nvidia-prime or bumblebee ?
[15:34] <Quintasan> bumblebee
[15:34] <soee> Quintasan, ok i think ill go for raring as i cant make nvidia work on saucy
[15:39] <Riddell> lordievader: sorry I didn't get back to you, we'll need to look to tidy up the docs downloader after beta 2 tomorrow
[15:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: can I reblog your blog post?
[15:39] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: sure
[15:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: did you get in contact with the ubuntu ro people? would be nice to be friends with them
[15:40] <Riddell> suggest they add a link to the ro.kubuntu site for example
[15:40] <ovidiu-florin> not yet. I'm not sure what to say
[15:40] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do you want a translation for my blog post?
[15:41] <lordievader> Riddell: Sure, we'll do it tommorow.
[15:41] <soee> oh lord.. invalid or corrupt kenrel image :)
[15:41] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, have you got an IRC channel for Kubuntu Romania?
[15:41] <ovidiu-florin> no
[15:41] <ovidiu-florin> I wanted to ask for one
[15:41] <ovidiu-florin> also a mail list
[15:41] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, sure, we can set up all that.
[15:42] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels for creating your IRC channel
[15:43] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: maybe say "hi sorry I didn't get in contact before, I don't want to split the community just provide another option for people who use kde in ubuntu, can we swap links?"
[15:43] <Riddell> but with more padding to it
[15:43] <smartboyhw> So your channel should be #kubuntu-ro
[15:43] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, here are two options to set up a mailing list
[15:43] <smartboyhw> 1. Make a Launchpad team, and use the in-built mailing list feature
[15:43] <smartboyhw> 2. make a lists.ubuntu.com mailing list
[15:45] <ovidiu-florin> so there is now way we could get something like romania@kubuntu.org address?
[15:45] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, emmm...
[15:46] <smartboyhw> I think you need to ask Canonical IS
[15:46] <ovidiu-florin> as a mail list
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Since @kubuntu.org address are normally for Kubuntu Members
[15:47] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, ^
[15:47] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[15:47] <ovidiu-florin> I'll ask the others
[15:47] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, what's more, mailing lists normally do have a @lists.*.* stuff;P
[15:47] <ovidiu-florin> and see what we'll do
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> for me that's simple... for some people that might be hard to memorize
[15:48] <smartboyhw> you can setup the IRC channel today
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> will do when I get home
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> added it to trello
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> smartboyhw: https://trello.com/b/OxkEQ8dS/kubuntu-romania
[15:49] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[15:49] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, nice, :)
[15:49] <ovidiu-florin> thank you Riddell for the mail proposal
[15:50] <Riddell> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/25/site-ul-kubuntu-rom%C3%A2nia-fost-lansat
[15:50] <smartboyhw> "Now that's style" :
[15:50] <smartboyhw> :0
[15:50] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:53] <Sick_Rimmit> Hello folks
[15:54] <Sick_Rimmit> I'm struggling like heck trying to install Kubuntu 13.04 on a MacPro 1 - has anyone here got any advice please ?
[15:54] <smartboyhw> Do we have amd64+mac images again for 13.04?
[15:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: :)
[15:55] <Sick_Rimmit> I couldn't see on eon the UK Mirro
[15:55] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[15:58] <Sick_Rimmit> Seems that its an EFI issue, as it gets stuck with the <Select CD-ROM Boot Type:> prompt 
[16:00] <davmor2> Sick_Rimmit: first of all are you trying with a 64bit version of Kubuntu as it is efi based?
[16:00] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Yes I have the AMD64 image
[16:01] <Sick_Rimmit> FRom the docs I have read so far it appears to be an issue with Mac, as others have got stuck at this prompt, but I can't find my way aroundit
[16:01] <Sick_Rimmit> Hoping that someone here may have come across this before
[16:07] <davmor2> Sick_Rimmit: not me I'm afraid
[16:08] <Sick_Rimmit> Well I'm starting to get a littl e frustrated now, so that means in anouth 30 minutes there will be an Ex Mac Pro sitting on my drive in the rain if anyone wants it
[16:08] <davmor2> Sick_Rimmit: out of interest where does it die?  I'm thinking that if it is getting to the installer and then dying you could try booting into Live Desktop mode?
[16:09] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: It boots to a black screen that says 1. 2. Select CD-ROm Boot Type:
[16:10] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Of course you can't select anything because it appers the keyboard buffer is not beeing red.
[16:10] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: If I understand it correctly, it is because Apple made a half arsed job of the EFI system on the Mac Pro 1's
[16:10] <davmor2> Sick_Rimmit: have you tried booting from usb rather than cdrom?
[16:11] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Apparently some have got it to work by holding the 1 + Enter key down prior to the boot, 
[16:11] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: No I haven't tried that
[16:11] <Sick_Rimmit> But I will
[16:12] <davmor2> Sick_Rimmit: EFI reads a usb drive and cdrom differently, so there is a very slim chance that it might get further
[16:12] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Roger that, its worth a try
[16:24] <soee> Quintasan, how did you installed 319 on Raring ?
[16:24] <soee> i see only 313 in Additional Drivers
[16:26] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: nice pictures of your site launch :) Congratulations!
[16:26] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: thank you
[16:52] <BluesKaj> soee:  I think the 319 drivers are available at xedgers ppa , deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu saucy main 
[16:53] <soee> BluesKaj, yes
[16:53] <soee> just installed them with 325 i think 
[16:54] <soee> i need to upgrade KDE than ill test how it works
[17:05] <BluesKaj> soee:  install dkms then run, dkms status , to show the installed driver
[17:12] <soee> hmm 325 are active and i dont see 319
[17:13] <soee> but i cant set Opengl 3.1
[17:23] <BluesKaj> soe try the raster setting for Qt graphics first, then OpenGL 3.1 
[17:24] <BluesKaj> soee: ^
[17:25] <soee> I wonder if it uses this integrated intel card or nvidia
[17:27] <BluesKaj> depends on your power settings perhaps , and whether or not you're on battery or line power
[17:27] <soee> it is impossible to set opengl
[17:29] <soee> hmm cant start kded4
[17:30] <soee> power managmend is not loaded ..
[17:49] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Ah, no joy with the USB stick im afraid :-( worth a try though
[17:51] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1195255] No ubiquity on Kubuntu Netbook desktop @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195255 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[17:54] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah ha
[17:55] <Sick_Rimmit> We might be in luck, I have found a 12.04 LTS release+mac image in the repo
[17:55] <Sick_Rimmit> I am gonna try that
[17:56] <Sick_Rimmit> davmor2: Thanks for helping me out, I really appreciate your input.
[17:59] <soee> when upgrading KDE 4.10 => 4.11 kscreen should be stopped ?
[18:01] <soee> also option Unsupported updates should be checked by default ?
[18:45] <soee> ok finally  i was able to run opengl 3.1 ;O
[18:45] <ovidiu-florin> Home at last
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you around?
[20:20] <soee> what is the command to upgrade 13.04 -> 13.10 ?
[20:26] <Blizzz> do-release-upgrade -d
[20:26] <Blizzz> soee: ^
[20:27] <soee> Blizzz, thanks
[20:27] <Blizzz> yw
[21:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so what's the nus on the whisky?
[21:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: According to our Whisky Overlord Riddell, Balvenie Doublewood shall be it
[21:10] <apachelogger> is that a name or what?
[21:11] <Quintasan> I believe it is
[21:11] <apachelogger> "use it in a sentence please"
[21:11] <Quintasan> Hm
[21:12] <Quintasan> GIVE ME SOME Balvenie Doublewood BLOODY FOOL, ELSE I'M GOIN' TO THROW S'ME AX'S AT YOU
[21:12] <apachelogger> that sounds almost scottish
[21:12] <Quintasan> lol
[21:12] <Quintasan> It's 12yo single malt
[21:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: can we get a proper scottish sentence using the the name plz? :P
[21:13] <apachelogger> I want agression and stuff and "what ya lookink at?"
[21:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what does that mean?
[21:13] <apachelogger> other than it probably went bad already because its ETOOOLD
[21:15] <Quintasan> I believe that single malt is whisky made at one particular distilery using a single malt
[21:16] <apachelogger> kubotu: wp single malt
[21:16] <kubotu> error googling for single malt
[21:16] <apachelogger> ololo
[21:16] <apachelogger> the google is broken
[21:17]  * apachelogger duckduckwalks
[21:17] <apachelogger> Single malt whisky is a whisky made at one particular distillery from a mash that uses only malted grain, ordinarily barley.
[21:17] <Quintasan> uh, malt is a malt, what do you want me to explain about it xD
[21:17] <Quintasan> Makes sense
[21:18] <Quintasan> I was missing the barley part
[21:18] <apachelogger> can you make booze from !malted grain?
[21:19] <apachelogger> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_whisky
[21:19] <apachelogger> tha wikipedia knows it all
[21:19] <Quintasan> kubotu should slide a slightly chilled glass of finest 12 years old Balvenie Doublewood down the bar shouting something Scottish at him
[21:20] <apachelogger> In Scotland, "malt whisky" must use a 100% malted barley mash and must be distilled in a pot still, whereas grain whisky is typically distilled in a continuous column still in a manner that results in a higher percentage of alcohol by volume (ABV), but less flavorful spirit.
[21:20] <apachelogger> oh whay what, why
[21:20] <Quintasan> like YA'D BETTER DOWN THAT IN A SINGLE GO CHAP
[21:20] <apachelogger> so grain whisky is superior because it got more of the boozyness
[21:21] <Quintasan> Maybe, it's less flavorful though.
[21:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: nonono he'd be shouting "what are ye looking at"
[21:21] <apachelogger> and wave his fist
[21:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: if ye down it in a one go ye aint gonna notice, now are ye?
[21:21] <apachelogger> clearly ye POVs are all mixed up
[21:22] <Quintasan> Watch'a lookin' at chap?
[21:22] <apachelogger>  Because of this practice, grain whisky is seldom bottled by itself in Scotland, where it is instead manufactured primarily for blending with malt whisky to create blended whiskies, which account for over 90% of all Scotch whisky sales.
[21:22] <apachelogger> Quintasan: scotts aint saying chap
[21:22] <Quintasan> s/chap/bloody bastard/
[21:22] <kubotu> Quintasan meant: "Watch'a lookin' at bloody bastard?"
[21:22] <apachelogger> more like it
[21:22] <apachelogger> also I think we want a blended whisky
[21:23] <Quintasan> Hell no, we want a single malt
[21:23] <apachelogger> for it has superior boozyness and superior flavor
[21:23] <apachelogger> you can enjoy the flavor and throw it down like water, so everyone is happy
[21:23] <Quintasan> Balvenie Doublewood has Riddell's seal of approval, you can't go wrong with that.
[21:24] <apachelogger> but it aint got no boozyness :P
[21:25] <Quintasan> I has damn 40% or more
[21:25] <Quintasan> You need more?
[21:25] <apachelogger> 90% of scotch whisky sales say we need more!
[21:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Spirytus Rektyfikowany Luksusowy 96%
[21:26] <Quintasan> drink this
[21:26] <apachelogger> is that a name?
[21:26] <apachelogger> "use it in a sentence please"
[21:27] <Quintasan> Daj Pani trochę Luksusowego, co?
[21:27] <Quintasan> Give me some Luksusowy, wont'cha?
[21:27] <apachelogger> that's what kubotu will say
[21:27] <Quintasan> It's a spirit
[21:28] <apachelogger> it's sufficient gibberish that people can believe it got the boozyness
[21:28] <Quintasan> LOL
[21:28] <Quintasan> It's VAC is 96% as you can see in the name
[21:28] <apachelogger> I figured
[21:28] <Quintasan> You don't drink that by itself unless you really want to end up dead.
[21:28] <apachelogger> you drink it with a glass of whisky on the side
[21:29] <apachelogger> a ha!
[21:29] <Quintasan> I no longer have any idea what's your thought process.
[21:29] <apachelogger> I don't either
[21:29] <apachelogger> ETOOTIRED
[21:31] <apachelogger> please be sending a letter to darth vader asking him to ask sauron to call me and tell me the password for the deathstar so I can change kubotu
[21:31] <apachelogger> that how tired I am
[21:31] <apachelogger> anywayz
[21:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: if you write me the lines of drunken gibberish kubotu should yell I can add the super abilities
[21:31] <apachelogger> until then 
[21:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: order bed
[21:31]  * kubotu is placing a cot for apachelogger in the corner of #kubuntu-devel.
[21:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: :*
[21:38] <soee> yofel, got a moment ?
[22:01] <Riddell> ooh new builds are up
[22:02] <Riddell> !testers | beta 2 candidates
[22:06] <soee> uhm
[22:06] <soee> i have yesterdays iso
[22:06] <soee> its outdated ?
[22:17] <Riddell> yeah, that's old news
[22:17] <Riddell> zsync the new ones
[22:18] <soee> uh i just installed that build on my laptop :D
[22:18] <soee> i can test tomorrow on VM
[22:18] <Riddell> a testers life is never finished
[22:19] <soee> this optimus technology from nvidia is a mess
[22:22] <soee> Riddell, i have one question
[22:23] <soee> after fresh installation when i open muon and edit its properties inside Updtes tab option Unsupported updates is checked
[22:23] <soee> this should be that way ?
[22:39] <Riddell> soee: nope, that should be -proposed
[22:39] <soee> Riddell, ok but 4th option is checked - the one i mentioned
[22:44] <Riddell> sounds like a bug
[22:57] <Riddell> soee: sorry I'm tired and not able to confirm, but report it upstream if you think it's a problem
[22:58] <Riddell> yay for xnox, wifi working
[22:58] <Riddell> agateau: ↑
[22:58] <Riddell> yay for apachelogger, netbook working
[23:34] <Riddell> yay for working OEM
[23:41] <xnox> all sounds  very good ! \o/
[23:52] <Quintasan> Hmm
[23:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think I'll have to package libkpeople first to get the beta done
[23:52] <Riddell> Quintasan: that sounds likely
[23:52] <Quintasan> It's going to be more work than expected yet again
[23:53] <Quintasan> Debian is not sure if they want it in since it's likely to have ABI breakage and I'm not so keen on maintaining two different versions of pacakaging
[23:53] <Riddell> um, isn't Debian unfrozen?
[23:53] <Quintasan> I'd love to have the beta with libkpeople
[23:53] <Quintasan> ScottK probably knows
[23:57] <Riddell> it is, sid unfrozen into jessie
[23:57] <Riddell> Quintasan: so debian will take it even if not yet for the beta
[23:58] <Riddell> and it'll go in a ppa for kubuntu and we'll take it after 13.10 is out
[23:58] <Riddell> so it'll need packaged, may as well do it sooner
[23:58] <Riddell> than later
[23:58] <Quintasan> Certainly, for now I will go to bed, I have the preliminary work done so the rest should be easy once I manage to pester someone to review it.
[23:59] <Riddell> good idea, I will go to bed too