[00:07] yes RobbyF i wanted advice from someone into the project as we will be making a hackaton in few days and advice/recommendations are very appreciated ;) === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [00:35] hi everyone [00:35] I have a question: [00:37] how does Ubuntu Touch know when the phone it is running on is connected to an external monitor and to switch to desktop mode? [00:37] magic, I assume [00:37] Does anyone know if https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/lightdm/socket-junk/+merge/186415 currently blocking lightdm on Ubuntu touch? [00:44] mterry, hey [00:45] mterry, sorry to bug you post eod [00:46] mterry, short question, is https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/lightdm/socket-junk/+merge/186415 blocking lightdm on touch and is that the last remaining issue? [00:47] what screen resolutions does Ubuntu Touch support when in desktop mode? [00:48] robert_ancell, that is unrelated to lightdm on touch, it's just related to lightdm + mir [00:48] mterry, i.e. unity8 running in u-s-c? [00:48] robert_ancell, right [00:48] mterry, which is not a high priority at the moment? [00:49] robert_ancell, but lightdm on touch will start with surfaceflinger, not blocking. right, not high priority [00:49] mterry, so OK if I do the MP but it's not released immediately? [00:49] robert_ancell, sure [00:49] mterry, thanks [01:17] sergiusens: do we have a standard webserver anywhere for phablet stuff? i plan to add a --no-network flag to demo-setup to download a tar from somewhere on the host machine, but unsure where to put it [02:06] is ubuntu touch coming for galaxy s4 (i9500)?? [02:22] hey everyone, I was wondering, if I have a phone running Ubuntu Touch connected to an 11.6" external monitor with a resolution of 1920 x 1080, will everything on screen appear too small? [02:41] boiko: hey, you guys wouldn't happen to have a history.sqlite that you use to test the history-service that we could use as fake conversations do you? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [03:26] ok, I'm up on the tablet [03:27] looks like the touch screen might have the axes flipped [03:27] and or inverted, i think the scale is off too as little gestures in the corner seem to move things pretty far [03:27] how is the touch screen loaded and configured? === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo [04:04] stgraber: all the jobs have been regenerated now since landing that change - we shouldn't have any more references to daily-proposed now [04:13] plars: cool, I'll kill the daily-* channels tomorrow morning then [04:18] is there any way to join a real session from adb shell? [04:43] nik90: Great if that app is useful :) pmcgowan started it and I decided not to create my own similar version, so added the network, storage and location tabs. [06:05] bzoltan: will qtlocation in your code also work for geoIP as source? [06:05] bzoltan: I tried it on my desktop and sometimes it found the location coordinates but sometimes it didnt [06:05] nik90: That is what happens [06:06] nik90: I do not know much about the sources ... [06:06] bzoltan: you mean you also found that it sometimes found it and other times didnt? [06:07] nik90: Yes [06:07] nik90: it is unreliable ... But I tested on phone only [06:07] bzoltan: currently I used a xml list model to retrieve the current location from geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup directly [06:08] bzoltan: however dpm asked me to look into using qtlocation [06:08] bzoltan: still unsure which one to use [06:08] nik90: My objective with that app was simple to see if the qml api works ... I am not the one to debug the backends :) [06:09] bzoltan: :) [06:10] dpm: any suggestions what can done ^^ === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:21] with image 20130924, I need to login to U1 to install an app, is it by design or a bug? it is really annoying [06:29] nik90, tvoss created the Qt Location backend, but I believe he is away for the week. In that case, let's use direct lookup for now, and switch to Qt Location when we know more. Would you mind sending an e-mail to the phone and core apps mailing lists to see if someone else can help with using Qt Location in the meantime? [06:35] dpm: definitely [06:36] dpm: as in I will send it asap [06:36] * dpm hugs nik90 [06:38] jdstrand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+bug/1230091 [06:38] Ubuntu bug 1230091 in unity-mir "[feature] Window reparenting" [Undecided,New] [06:46] nik90, we had a discussion last week with the calendar developers about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1226834 - which API/service do you use in clock to retrieve city locations? Do you have any issues with it or would you recommend to use the same for weather? [06:46] Ubuntu bug 1226834 in Ubuntu Weather App "Identically named cities are indistinguishable in weather-app" [High,Triaged] [07:09] good morning [07:15] morning Saviq. Looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1228345 - is this something you think is related to how unity or the music scope launch the music app? I'm not sure we can fix it in the music app itself [07:15] Ubuntu bug 1228345 in Ubuntu Music App "Launching track from dash new instance of app, not re-use of existing one " [Undecided,New] [07:23] I recently installed the latest ubuntu-touch non preview onto my P4WIFI and its just a black screen I am able to adb root adb shell ubuntu_chroot shell just fine [07:24] I piped dmesg into a text file is there anywhere else I could look to solve this issue [07:42] Is it possible to conect ubuntu phone to the keyboard? | http://askubuntu.com/q/349808 === VDVsx_ is now known as VDVsx [08:39] dpm, yeah, it involves work in a few areas, it's being worked on === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [09:29] hi everyone [09:30] it might be not a new question but will there be a ubuntu-touch version for nokia n9 phones? [09:32] hmm, waiting for more than 1min for an answer might have helped === b0bben_ is now known as b0bben === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr === gusch is now known as gusch|lunch [10:04] Morning all [10:18] mornin davmor2 [10:28] does the web-brower app need some extra css styling, to style buttons and such | http://askubuntu.com/q/349845 [10:29] ogra_ I have been in here for over an hour and still waiting lol [10:30] DJJeff: looks like you're using the old non-flipped image? [10:31] popey, how do I check? [10:31] oh you mean of cyan mod ? [10:31] No, the fact that you mentioned ubuntu_chroot makes me think you're using an old version of the image [10:32] I downloaded both http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip [10:33] and http://ubuntuone.com/3eqlvC2YW3xO0suhkLvmVi which is cyan mod (2013-07-14) [10:34] ( cm-10.1-20130714-UNOFFICIAL-p4wifi.zip ) [10:35] looks like I need to wait for this cm to be updated to work with the newer ubuntu touch? [10:39] most likely, yes [10:42] I will output dmesg and pastebin it so MAYBE just MAYBE p4wifi maintainer (patrickseemann) can see it [10:42] anything else I should pass on besides dmesg output? [10:43] popey: ping === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [10:44] oSoMoN: did you saw http://askubuntu.com/questions/349845/does-the-web-brower-app-need-some-extra-css-styling-to-style-buttons-and-such ? [10:45] daker: no, reading now [10:46] daker: huh, can alert boxes be CSS-styled in other browsers? [10:46] oSoMoN: it's about the default css for elements (checkbox, buttons, textinput, etc...) they look different/ugly from the native ones [10:47] tinti_: pong [10:47] DJJeff: sorry, i dont know, not done porting myself [10:47] what's the command to take a screenshot again? [10:48] daker: the way the question is formulated, I understand it differently [10:48] im not asking about porting, im asking about what log files to look in [10:48] to see how to fix the black screen [10:48] IE ( /var/log/???????? ) [10:48] oSoMoN: "As you can see from the image below, the Show alert box, looks differently, then in firefox, IE, chrome." [10:49] popey: hi. Will ubuntu traditional ui be developed or it is stopped in flavor of ubuntu touch ui, for tablets? [10:49] oSoMoN: he means that even on the desktop they don't look native like in FF & chrome [10:49] daker: ah [10:49] tinti_: by 14.10 it'll be the same codebase. convergence! [10:49] I mean for tablets will we have in a near future ubuntu desktop + ubuntu touch? [10:50] ok, but ubuntu touch more close to an Android rather a Linux desktop right? [10:50] daker: well that’s kind of on purpose I would say, the browser uses the Ubuntu UITK, so its native dialogs have the default Ubuntu SDK look’n’feel [10:51] oSoMoN: no no look at the buttons on the background [10:51] daker: I don’t see the point of applying the standard GTK theme to all SDK widgets on desktops [10:51] oSoMoN: do they look native on the phone ? [10:51] tinti_: we use the same UI on phone and tablet [10:51] tinti_: I don't know what you mean "close to an android" [10:52] daker: no, they don’t look native [10:52] oSoMoN: that's what he is talking about ;) [10:52] daker: not really clear… but ok. We would need to implement a custom renderer for webkit, that uses the SDK widgets. Not on the roadmap for sure [10:53] oSoMoN: ok :) [10:53] I mean compared to the last release, the 13.04 image === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [10:53] daker: will you answer the question, or do you want me to do it? [10:53] oSoMoN: just do it [10:54] daker: ok [10:55] popey: this article helps a lot to understand some key points of ubuntu touch [10:55] http://www.xda-developers.com/android/ubuntu-touch-next-generation-os-or-just-another-skin/ [10:55] tinti_: thats old [10:56] and inaccurate [10:56] still the "cyanogenmod chroot valid" [10:56] * tinti_ take more care of what you read [10:57] nope [10:57] we use some android drivers which are confined to an lxc container [10:57] hum, is it armel or armhf? [10:58] for compatibility with the blobs right? you have a small android subsystem to use as HAL [10:58] armhf [10:58] well, our bits are armhf [10:59] ok, but will ubuntu desktop and ubuntu touch ui converge? [11:00] remove java from android and all you have is linux :) [11:00] tinti_: yup [11:00] put ubuntu touch on top and presto a bad ass phone/tablet [11:01] haha [11:01] * ogra_ wishes it would be that easy [11:01] there was a talk at DEFCON 20 about removing java from android [11:01] * tinti_ QML rocks! [11:01] well, we only use a really tiny bit of the linux part of android even [11:01] DEF CON 20 Hacking Conference Presentation By John Floren - Hellaphone Replacing the Java in Android [11:01] so better get used to the new UI :) [11:02] DJJeff: +1 === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [11:05] tinti_: chris doesn't agree https://twitter.com/chrisccoulson/status/382820387748188160 :) [11:06] daker: why ... [11:07] tinti_: https://twitter.com/chrisccoulson/status/382802413444268032 https://twitter.com/chrisccoulson/status/382807488493408257 [11:09] daker: as far as I remember there is no QShortcut too [11:10] but I still think it is a nice way to generate a UI [11:10] the StateMachine and the Transition system saves a lot of time and logic [11:11] does anyone know if the demo-assets-* packages have changed over time? [11:11] I'm trying to flash a phone with some history... [11:11] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source//+publishinghistory [11:11] apt-cache madison demo-assets-contacts, for example shows only one version in the repository. Is that expected? [11:12] Published archives typically only contain about one version per series at a time [11:12] But the history is in Launchpad [11:12] aha - thank you [11:13] is there a boot animation/splash feature being worked on ? [11:15] I Haven't tested for myself but plymouth may work. [11:16] FastCode, apparently not yet used: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg00803.html [11:17] that answers my question even if it's a somewhat old post [11:17] rsalveti, do you know of any updates ^ ? [11:18] It didn't work and my phone got really weird. [11:20] removing plymouth gave me 'Writing Boot Image /dev/disk/by-name/boot' [11:20] Am I done? [11:20] as in dead? [11:25] I would expect that plymouth is still required for its console multiplexing even if its splash screen feature isn't used. [11:25] (That's certainly true on the desktop.) [11:25] Is anyone else running build 61 on a Nexus 4 and unable to check for updates? I just get the spinner and "Checking for updates..." [11:26] yes, plymouth was installed.installing solar and ubuntu-logo themes made no difference [11:26] plymouth is disabled because it hangs the device and nobody's debugged it yet. [11:27] By which I mean, the plymouth splash screen is disabled. plymouth itself (the console multiplexer) is still in use I believe [11:27] If build 61 is for about a week ago, then yes.I've had this issue. [11:27] cjwatson, is there a LP bug for that plymouth hang? [11:27] Not sure, ogra_ might know [11:28] Well, that's what /etc/ubuntu-build says anyway. I updated yesterday, not quite sure what time. [11:29] I don't have an 'ubuntu-build' what does it mean? [11:31] janimo, yeah, there definitely is, but i filed it over a year ago ... for the nexus7 images [11:31] * ogra_ cant find it [11:32] janimo, but plymouth is completely disabled on out images, so that shouldnt be an issue [11:32] FastCode, I'm not sure. Are you using a CDimage build or Image Based Upgrade? [11:33] (it cant talk to surfaceflinger and cant talk to Mir either yet i think (i might be wrong on the latter after the Mir sprint) [11:34] Me neither, I did phablet-flash, and used apt ever since. what does it make me? [11:35] FastCode, system-image-cli -i .... === thostr_ is now known as thostr_lunch [11:35] popey: I'm gonna hunt you down and make you listen to beiber, I only just finished flashing 61 and you go and update to 62 ;) [11:35] if that returns a 0 for "current build number" you are on a cdimage image [11:36] bulid-number is 0 [11:36] right [11:36] channel: daily [11:36] well, thats moot [11:36] seb128, Laney: got any time to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings/testability/+merge/187011 ? [11:36] HAHA, I forgot again [11:36] if build number is 0 you are on an unupgradeable cdimage image [11:36] let me look right now [11:36] Laney: I guessed :-) [11:36] Laney: thanks :-) [11:37] Current build number: 61 Channel: devel-proposed [11:37] (you can only use apt with that, not the update mechanism) [11:37] JamesTait, thats a system-image image [11:37] That means I have to reflash if I want to use GUI-based updates? [11:37] JamesTait, you need to update the a new channel name though [11:37] hmm, or not [11:38] I switched to the system-image method last week, I think. Last update, yesterday at 17:17. [11:38] well, there should be 62 and 63 images [11:39] ogra_, I'm unable to check for updates at the moment, I just get the spinner. [11:39] This is getting very confusing for me, do I lose anything if I use apt? [11:39] popey: 62 hmmm my box just downloaded 63 [11:39] * FastCode loves command line [11:39] mardy: I can't tell if that's right or not [11:39] what does it do? [11:39] davmor2, i tested 62 (and now run 63) ... dont worry :) [11:40] FastCode, on what device are you ? [11:40] nexus 4 [11:40] FastCode, well, then you do ... [11:40] Laney: you can test it this way: if you start "system-settings -testability" without the patch, and then run "autopilot vis", autopilot won't be able to inspect the system settings app [11:40] Laney: if you run the same commands with the patch applied, then within "autopilot vis" you'll be able to navigate the system settings UI [11:41] Laney: it's a hack I copied from the camera-app [11:41] what? [11:41] FastCode, supported devices work best with the system-image ... we also dont test the cdimage images anymore, these are largely for porters [11:41] (since we cant offer system-image images for them yet) [11:41] Laney: it's needed because while QApplication properly loads the module, QGuiApplication doesn't [11:41] Is that a bug? [11:41] Laney: good question [11:42] mzanetti: hi! Do you know if there's a Qt bug about ^ ? [11:42] FastCode, if you want to do local builds of stuff etc the cdimage image might be better though, but yoou should test yoour stuff against the rreadonly system-image [11:43] mardy: I don't think there is... But I can fix it in Qt propose a merge [11:43] nice [11:43] mardy: altough I'm not sure if its even a bug or it is wanted this way [11:43] mzanetti: that would be excellent [11:44] Well, it'd be good to investigate and fix it there if possible [11:44] in the meantime I'll approve this [11:44] mzanetti: you could ask to the ML first [11:44] I get it now, If I go with cdimage then I'm on my own and my applications may not work as intended on other systems.not as bad as it first looked like. [11:44] true [11:44] Laney: thanks [11:44] ok. will do [11:44] mzanetti: and thanks :-) [11:44] FastCode, thats an appropriate summary [11:44] ogra_: thanks for the explanations. [11:44] mardy: thanks [11:45] FastCode, you also have to stick to apt for upgrades, the updater wont work (neither gui nor cmdline) [11:45] Hm, something's failing to download, it seems; the signatures, I think. [11:46] blacklist.tar.xz.asc is taking a while, then eventually says "No blacklist found" [11:46] that's ok with me, I didn't even know system settings had update functionality until a few days ago. [11:47] another question, what is with partition 22(mmcblk0p22) [11:47] ? === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [11:48] It seems to be mounted on /dev which is really weird. [11:48] 512 MB wasted [11:50] http://paste.debian.net/45977/ [11:51] Then channels.json.asc is also taking a while and ultimately timing out. I get a backtrace. :( I wonder if it's my dodgy network [11:57] seb128: is the battery screen on system settings supposed to work? [11:57] gema, yes [11:57] seb128: ok [11:57] wfm [11:57] it doesn't for you? [11:57] seb128: I've managed to get the wifi togle from system settings and the network indicator out of sync [11:58] seb128: I am going to restart and retrace my steps [11:58] yes, the wifi toggle is not updated [11:58] see if I can reproduce [11:58] seb128: ok, so that's known [11:58] that's a known lack of feature [11:58] yes [11:58] and the brightness not changing the actual britghness? [11:59] that's fixed in trunk [11:59] ack [11:59] you should ask asac for an update to land [11:59] its really had to slide the battery gauge up/down [11:59] well, left/right [11:59] as you do so, if you deviate from the centre line, the page scrolls and you lose control of the slider [11:59] toolkit issue? [12:00] what is the state of keyboard going nuts when opening the indicator sliders?It really hurts when working with terminal. [12:00] is it even a reported bug? [12:00] does it happen on the readonly image ? [12:00] :) [12:01] seb128: also the battery charge level seems to be 100% on the system settings but the indicator shows 78% [12:01] cjwatson: regarding click backports, I'm finding a new delta that it requires libglib2.0-dev >= 2.34 that's not in precise. I wonder if it'd work with 2.32? [12:01] ogra_: are you talking to me? It was like this from day one on cdimage [12:01] seb128: and when you unplug the device, last full charge shows as N/A === hikiko is now known as hikiko|lunch [12:02] FastCode, right, just wanted to point out that bugs on cdimage might not be on system image [12:02] the settings for sleep when idle don't stick either [12:02] I didn't have this issue like 3 month ago, It happened this time I flashed. === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:02] ok, so I have a fully non-functional battery screen :D [12:02] FastCode, and we dont really focus on cdimage bugs unless they also affect system-image [12:02] seb128: will wait for new version [12:02] seb128: is the fix for background selection in? [12:03] you're really getting me to reflash [12:03] Mirv: Hm, I'll have added that because of a particular API I was using, let me check [12:03] cjwatson: ok [12:03] didrocks: so it seems to me that if I press download a third time while it's downloading, I dont get to see the "reboot to install" button in system-settings OS updates [12:04] didrocks: if you could confirm this when you next see it, that would be nice [12:04] didrocks: I can file it as a bug in doubt [12:04] i think I saw it twice [12:04] I can see how it might happen is the previous button press was synchronously blocked on a handler [12:04] hmm maybe that goes away with d/l service, not sure [12:05] Mirv: So, it was for g_spawn_check_exit_status, which I can't easily drop; but actually I arranged things a while back so that the entire PackageKit plugin isn't built on precise [12:05] Mirv: I suggest you just drop the libglib2.0-dev, libjson-glib-dev, and libpackagekit-glib2-dev build-deps entirely for the backport === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [12:11] cjwatson: ok, sounds good, I'll do that and test [12:11] gema, was the device ever fully charged? [12:11] seb128: yes, many times [12:11] asac, yes [12:11] gema, could be an upower issue then, we get the datas from it [12:11] seb128: but I will charge it fully again just to make sure [12:12] dbarth_: so unity-webapps-qml is in as the whole stack was run, but without its testsuite [12:13] dbarth_: FYI, https://code.launchpad.net/~zaspire/address-book-service/GaleraManagerEngine_implement_saveContact_few_methods/+merge/181438 is "missing commit message" but it also misses a human review of course [12:13] seb128: ack, btw, whenever you get into the set date and time screen with the pickers , theres no way back, you have to kill the app [12:13] seb128: the lower edge bar doesn't come up again [12:13] dbarth_: also, you link to https://bugs.launchpad.net/cordova-ubuntu/+bug/1227427 but that bug is Invalid? [12:13] Ubuntu bug 1227427 in address-book-service "Mobile Spec Suite crashes: Symbol lookup error in libqtcontacts" [Undecided,New] [12:13] dbarth_: and the branch isn't linked to it [12:15] gema, that's fixed in trunk, ask to asac to let the fixes in so you can confirm it works ;-) [12:16] asac: man, release all the fixes [12:16] asac: you are slowing us down! [12:17] lool: checking [12:17] gema: you can sneak test from daily-build and help us grow confidence in those changes [12:17] thats alwayus helpful [12:17] the binaries are all there [12:17] asac: last time I checked that wasn't my job anymore ;) [12:17] and ready to install on top of a phone boot [12:18] depends [12:18] lool: the bug is invalid for cordova, the issue is in the service [12:18] asac: anyway, plenty of other things to do, just be aware that we are eagerly waiting for that ! [12:18] right, but we have an open system [12:19] you can see whats coming, so if you see something coming it very likely will be there soon [12:19] lool: as for the review, the mp is there for a while; we've asked for a review already [12:19] asac: what do you mean we can see what's coming, where do I look for that? === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:20] gema: here is the stuff that is staged and ready for publishing to archive/image in case we can validate that it doesnt regress the image [12:20] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/cu2d/results [12:21] * gema looking [12:21] in optimisitic case those things will come [12:21] asac: ack, that's useful, thanks [12:21] and you can take sneak previews pretty easily [12:22] lool: i'll ask bill for an urgent review in a few [12:22] seb128: ok, so the time pickers are also landing [12:23] lool: while we're at it, apps have all been re-verified yesterday; sergio should be able to pre-install them today [12:23] gema, right [12:23] seb128, asac: thanks! [12:26] mhr3: Hey man o/ Is there a way to add a new scope from QML? Even directly from DashMusic.qml? I want to overrideResults() anyway, so I wonder if there's a quicker way than writing a dummy scope in cpp [12:27] mhr3: Why the question - it's hard to hardcode a view within ScopeListView (under the header, but above other scopes). So I might need to take the fake scope route. [12:28] karni, if you just want a new scope that doesn't do anything but provides categories that can all be done with a simple .scope file, no cpp needed [12:28] doanac: sergiusens: i should have an MR for you guys soon to make phablet-demo-setup work on r/o images :) [12:29] cwayne, great [12:29] karni, so just look in /usr/share/unity/scopes/ and just do cp music.scope foo.scope [12:29] cwayne, btw, did you see pitti's comment on the timezone MR? [12:29] ogra_: can you confirm (or not) bug 1230247 [12:30] sergiusens: hm, no i didn't, let me check it out [12:30] karni, or just edit the .scope file right away [12:30] up to you [12:30] mhr3: perfect! thank you :) [12:30] exactly what I needed [12:30] popey: you killed the bug bot [12:31] karni, you need to `pkill -f unity-scope-home` to the changes to be picked up [12:31] mhr3: great! [12:32] sergiusens, cwayne, note that pitts change requires systemd changes, so it will be most likely stuck in proposed until the beta freeze is lifted [12:33] ogra_: ACK [12:33] although his way is much better than mine, heh [12:34] cwayne, sergiusens https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1227520 for background [12:34] * cwayne never thought changing a timezone would ever be so damn complicated [12:34] cjwatson: could the configure.ac in click somehow be updated to auto-detect precise and disable needed parts? it seems it'll need manual changing as well to drop dependencies. [12:34] Ubuntu bug 1227520 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Timezone changes are not working due to ro /etc and bind mounts" [High,Fix committed] [12:35] dbarth_: cool [12:35] Mirv: No need, debian/rules already takes care of that. [12:35] Mirv: See debian/packagekit-check [12:35] cjwatson: ok, I'm just seeing some error about PKPLUGIN https://launchpadlibrarian.net/151432678/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.click_0.4.8~precise1~test2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [12:36] ogra_, sort of goes against asac's target of having all of /etc writable [12:36] hello ogra_ :) can you take a quick look at my init.find5.rc file, i am not sure if the way find5 mounts system is correct for ubuntu : https://bitbucket.org/anders3408/ubuntu_device_oppo_find5/src/cacb1b4e927b7f567909cb1a1113fdeeef793fb3/configs/init.find5.rc?at=ubuntu#cl-21 [12:36] sergiusens: my target? [12:36] :) [12:36] then a few lines later : # mount_all ./fstab.find5 [12:36] Mirv: Ah, I suspect this will work if you insert an explicit build-dep on pkg-config so that autoreconf can expand that properly [12:37] * asac tries to remember [12:37] asac, you made a comment in Oakland about that ;-) [12:37] oakland? [12:37] Mirv: click ought to have such a build-dep, so that's partially my fault [12:37] sergiusens: i think i made a comment on that i believe the config system we traditionally use [12:38] munges package defaults and system defaults in one place [12:38] asac, yeah, you said anything that is not meant to be changed should go into /usr/share and anything that is meant to be dynamic in /etc [12:38] which makes it a bit hard to transition nicely without having user interaction dealing with conflicts [12:38] right === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [12:42] popey, do I gather from the change log for 61 that there is a bunch of new SDK stuff in it? [12:43] cjwatson: ok, seems to build locally in chroot when pkg-config is installed, so probably good now. [12:43] Mirv: OK, I'll add that build-dep to trunk for clarity [12:43] cjwatson, back to the arch thing.... for arch specific, would you prefer that we do arch specific but leave the arch field unassigned? [12:44] rickspencer3: we're on 62 now .. [12:44] ooops! [12:44] but yeah, lots of changes [12:44] so we are :) [12:44] sergiusens: I'm still thinking about what's best - leave it as it is for now [12:44] popey, but 61 had a bunch of qtdeclarative stuff [12:44] today new ui-toolkit went into saucy archives, so it'll included in the next build [12:45] cjwatson, ack [12:45] so I think the next one after 63 which already built [12:45] sergiusens: I'm pretty clear that a package's architecture should be in its metadata somewhere [12:45] architecture(s) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:54] rickspencer3: this is diff from ubuntu=20130923 to ubuntu=20130924 which corresponds to image 60 to 61 http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20130924.changes [12:54] thanks lool [12:55] rickspencer3: are you on 62 yet? [12:55] lool, yes [12:55] I update immediately whenever I receive popey's avengers mail :) [12:55] ☻ [12:55] Avengers, unite! === oreneeshy_ is now known as oreneeshy [12:56] rickspencer3: so opening music files works for me from home and music scope on 62 (only home scope for thostr and for me in 61) [12:56] Saviq, kgunn_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+bug/1230091 [12:56] Ubuntu bug 1230091 in unity-mir (Ubuntu Saucy) "[feature] Window reparenting" [High,New] [12:56] popey: did you find some logs for your issue? [12:57] lool, well, I opened a music file (with a space!) from the music scope [12:57] it opened the music app, but didn't bring it to the front [12:57] but I can't actually hear the music! [12:57] which is, you know, not cool [12:57] * rickspencer3 tries home scope [12:58] lool, same deal with home scope [12:58] didn't bring it to front: hmm, currently it should still open a *copy* of the music-app, and then this should be in front and play [12:58] rickspencer3: are you using system-image or apt to update? [12:59] did the database fix for the music -app already make it in ? [12:59] system-image of course [12:59] I am an avenger [12:59] :) [12:59] hmpf [12:59] 4 [12:59] grr [12:59]