[06:11] <Myrtti> I do love Herbamare on eggs, but I don't think it really goes that well with tea
[06:11] <Myrtti> ... *grumblegrumble* morning
[06:43] <MartijnVdS> \o Myrtti
[07:19] <shauno> so here's a fun one.  I want to vpn at layer 2 between two linux machines.  any suggestions where to even start looking?
[07:32] <mungbean> sounds complicated.
[07:33] <MartijnVdS> shauno: openvpn with "tap" interfaces
[07:33] <mungbean> layer2? i thought that would involve the networking hardware in betwen too?
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: nah, layer 2 just means "ethernet segment", so you can bridge an TAP device (vpn) and a real internet interface, and boom, 1 big ethernet :)
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> shauno: ssh can do it too, but I never tried that, and it isn't well-integrated into Ubuntu packaging
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I actually have an almost-finished HOWTO-like blog post for that
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> just nail up a stunnel?
[07:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah sorry - you want a bridged connection.
[07:40]  * TheOpenSourcerer goes away to get moar coffeee
[07:43] <shauno> sorry, googling to catch up :)  openvpn with tap sounds like it solves exactly why I didn't just go to openvpn in the first place
[07:44] <shauno> and yeah, going for "one big ethernet" between two sites.  specifically, trying to attach a kvm instance in one building, to a switch that's located in another.  and trying to avoid the sensible solution (vlans) because I'll grow old and die before anyone ever signs it off
[07:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Just finishing up the blog post, 1 sec
[07:46] <shauno> oh no rush, I have a lot of peices to put together before this goes anywhere
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it was almost done anyway :)
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> shauno: http://blog.vandestreek.net/2013/09/bridging-internet-with-openvpn.html (beta! might still contain some bad grammar)
[07:48] <shauno> after 7 years in Ireland, I have no idea what grammar is anymore :/
[07:49] <popey> Morning
[07:50] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[07:50] <MartijnVdS> popey: how's Los Santos treating you? :)
[07:51] <popey> I don't have it yet
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: oh, I thought you were installing it yesterday
[07:52] <popey> no, pondering
[07:52] <popey> but that was impatience at work
[07:52] <mungbean> so a new video card costs more than a ps3/xbox360?
[07:52] <popey> I want to wait for pc version because I am no good at FPS with a controller
[07:52] <popey> mouse + WASD for me
[07:53] <mungbean> i think i'm the opposite
[07:53] <popey> i find myself looking around the place all the time
[07:53] <popey> can't look and walk at the same time
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: auto-aim helps me a lot in those cases, but I see your poin
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> t
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: I tried Portal 2 on the PS3.. it was a lot harder than the PC version
[07:54] <shauno> I'm just terrible at fps.  a controller with 500 buttons would be a welcome excuse
[07:54] <mungbean> gta5 isn't like a doom fps though
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: no, like I said, auto-aim helps
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> it's more third-person than first-person
[07:55] <popey> true
[07:55] <popey> Stop it!
[07:55] <popey> ☻
[07:55] <mungbean> http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/why-were-shutting-our-comments
[07:56] <mungbean>  And because comments sections tend to be a grotesque reflection of the media culture surrounding them, the cynical work of undermining bedrock scientific doctrine is now being done beneath our own stories, within a website devoted to championing science.
[07:56] <kecskebak> Of course, you never hear many reviews of second person shooters. I've heard the market is dead.
[07:57] <MartijnVdS> kecskebak: 8-)
[07:59]  * bigcalm awakes his machine with no problems
[07:59] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> hi bigcalm
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> suspend-to-ramdisk
[08:02] <mungbean> http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/apple-denies-paying-ea-to-delay-plants-vs-zombies-/1100-4747/
[08:02] <mungbean> now thats a game i don't "get"
[08:03] <mungbean> angry birds is quite fun and all that, but PVZ?
[08:04] <popey> Oh interestingly. When i was poking in the BIOS I found a setting which let me set the behaviour of the power LED when suspended. Before it was set to "Offensively blink blue" but there was an option for "dual colour LED" which I chose
[08:04] <popey> my PC doesn't have a dual colour LED, so it just turned the light off
[08:04] <popey> which was much better
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> but how do you distinguish between off and suspended?
[08:06] <popey> I dont care ☻
[08:06] <popey> both mean I have to press the power button to make it useful
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> \o/ modern tech
[08:06] <bigcalm> I pressed a key on my wired keyboard and the machine woke up
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: the "Any" key?
[08:07] <bigcalm> It's a good thing that the cat didn't walk over it in the night
[08:07] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: that's the one!
[08:13] <mungbean> what do people think about http://www.reddit.com/r/GrandTheftAutoV/comments/1mx8a6/so_i_might_have_found_why_its_so_hard_to_make/
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: That's for the on-line part, not the "off-line" campaign part
[08:15] <mungbean> even still
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> it's a trend in the entire gaming industry to find extra ways to get people to pay
[08:16] <mungbean> twice
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> "extra"
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> because you could buy those cards more than once, presumably
[08:29]  * Laney stabs freshers week
[08:30] <Laney> idiots screaming while walking down the road all night
[08:30] <Laney> last group was at 7am
[08:31] <mungbean> dodge the piles of puke too
[08:42] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Comic Book Day! :-D
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: marvel or dc?
[08:43] <mungbean> you know those key code lockey locks - do you have to take the back off to change the code?
[08:43] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, YES!
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: key code locks?
[08:44] <mungbean> door entry system
[08:44] <mungbean> manual/mechanical ones
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: http://keylessentrylocks.com/images/KeylessEntryLocks-product-surfacemount/2500.jpg ?
[08:50] <mungbean> yeah, i'm worried you need to do this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZj4zCIWxZE
[08:51] <GentileBen> MartijnVdS, you watching the game tonight?
[08:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning brobostigon - did I read on FB correctly the other day that congratulations are in order?
[09:01] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: you did, yes.
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D Congratulations!
[09:02] <mungbean> FB? i thought thats what irc was for, nullify facebook/twitter for the geeks
[09:02] <brobostigon> thank you TheOpenSourcerer :D
[09:11] <brobostigon> and i found her yesterday looking for rings already, and heres me thinking theres no rush.
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[09:13]  * popey avoided that by buying the ring up front ☻
[09:15] <brobostigon> good plan, yes.
[09:16] <mungbean> i bought haribo ring
[09:16]  * brobostigon makes a note, show her how to read his bcd binary clock.
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> bcd, not "real" binary? :)
[09:17] <Myrtti> I avoided that by using a jubilee clip
[09:17] <mungbean> when you are sick is it better to watch a) film you haven't seen before 2) a feel good film 3) a depressing film
[09:17] <Myrtti> and then getting custom made
[09:17] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i have both batman. but the bcd one will be easier for her to grasp initially.
[09:17] <popey> mungbean: depends if you're going to fall asleep
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: agreed
[09:17] <mungbean> not gonna sleep
[09:18] <mungbean> not feeling too bad but in quearantine
[09:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: agreed.
[09:19] <mungbean> i might watch spooks series 4 as its still in the shrink wrap
[09:32]  * xnox hates flash, my youtube video is out of sync with audio Argh.
[09:33] <brobostigon> tried html5?
[09:44] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:50] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:50] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:50] <brobostigon> tab fail, sorry/
[09:55] <MooDoo> :)
[09:56] <brobostigon> :)
[09:57] <directhex> popey, mmmmm... off the top of my head Defender's Quest uses Air. Lume uses Flash but not Air iirc
[09:57] <SuperMatt> man, the more I look in to btrfs, the more I want to use it
[09:57] <SuperMatt> epsecially apt-btrs-snapshot
[10:00] <popey> directhex: been talking to a developer who is making a game using air, offered to help test on Linux because he's only targetting windows/mac for now and mobile later
[10:01] <directhex> popey, i'd get him to talk to the defender's quest guy for tips on air bundling
[10:01] <popey> thanks!
[10:03] <popey> http://www.defendersquest.com/linux.html
[10:03] <popey> scary looking
[10:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:09] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:11] <popey> holy freole! have you seen the specs of the new kindle fire?
[10:11] <popey> 1920x1200 in a 7" screen
[10:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka, hows life, how's the photo's and did you try that bit of software?
[10:12] <popey> 8.9" is 2560x1600
[10:12] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: do you still use your Xoom?
[10:12] <popey> quad core snapdragon at 2.2Ghz
[10:12] <mgdm> popey: what? Blimey
[10:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: I do
[10:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: no not had chance yet, just using photoshop for the moment as I have a license for it....use ubuntu for most everything else though
[10:12] <mgdm> popey: what's the new N7? That's 1920x1080 IIRC?
[10:12] <popey> no idea
[10:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: have you come to terms with it being stuck on 4.1.2 forever more, or have you tried to put something like CyanogenMod on it?
[10:13] <diddledan_> mgdm, 1920x1200 I believe
[10:13] <MooDoo> cyanogenmod ftw o/ bigcalm did my s3 last week :D
[10:13] <popey> blimey, they have remote support built in too
[10:14] <mgdm> diddledan_: ah, cool. I'm going to get one 'eventually'
[10:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't really care it does what I need it to.  All I want is social networking, youtube and web browsing I tend you use Ubuntu for everything else :)
[10:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: i want to get ubuntu touch on my s3, but it's not that complete yet
[10:14] <bigcalm> I'm a fan of mods, but won't put it on my S3 until my contract expires next year. I'm trying to put CM on to my Xoom, but it's failing to boot the recovery image
[10:15] <popey> mgdm: yes, seems it is, 1920x1200
[10:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: as I understand it you have to leap through some hoops to get cm on a xoom due to motorola locking down the kernel and binaries and bootloader hence goin gfor the ged rather than the CM  I might try it at some point though
[10:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: I've managed to GED it, but found out that 4.1.2 is where it stops
[10:17] <davmor2> yeap
[10:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: the daft thing with Motorola is they will do just that, it was one of the things I hated about them, However I just don't care anymore :D
[10:18] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[10:19] <bigcalm> My next challange is to get a USB webcam to work with the tablet
[10:19] <bigcalm> But I have a feeling that will only happen if I can mod it
[10:22] <mungbean> know anyone who wants a SAN? around 300TB of disk in 2 racks
[10:22] <mungbean> i know someone who wants to offload it
[10:22] <bigcalm> I bet I know somebody at our LUG would would
[10:22] <bigcalm> But I also bet his wife would object
[10:26] <mungbean> 300tb not to be sniffed at
[10:26] <mungbean> sort of thing ali1234 has in his house
[10:30] <popey> i may know someone
[10:31]  * popey asks
[10:31] <popey> sort of thing sabdfl has at his house
[10:32] <mgdm> s/his house/one of his houses/
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> I recall when the rest of the world was still on dial-up (v.22, v.21bis - not the fast stuff) reading about Bill Gates having *two* T1 lines into his house...
[10:32] <popey> heh
[10:32] <popey> mark has lots in his garage
[10:33] <popey> like any self respecting geek
[10:36] <mungbean> pillar axiom 500
[10:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: shhh you'll get james killed and ron shouted at ;)
[10:37] <bigcalm> :D
[10:37] <directhex> i had one of those!
[10:37] <directhex> it fell over and ate all our data ¬_¬
[10:38] <bigcalm> With no LUG or badminton this week, I have no social events to attend
[10:38] <bigcalm> Maybe I'll catch up on sleep
[10:39] <bigcalm> directhex: I can imagine a rack literally falling over. I'm sure it wouldn't be good for discs
[10:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: no your just work more hours than normal,  the social activities force you to only work 40 - 60 :D
[10:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: attending LUG only partly hampers work
[10:45] <mungbean> let me know popey , i'll put you in touch with the person who is offloading it
[10:45] <mungbean> they are london based
[10:47] <mungbean> who admins sabfls house network?
[10:48] <mungbean> isleofmandan should offer his services
[10:49] <popey> heh
[10:53] <Daviey> Indeed, he has a rack of high end ~16 servers.. 16 core, 42GB RAM IIRC.. just to 'play with' :)
[10:53] <JamesTait> Daviey, just like mine then! :-P
[10:54] <popey> chaps!
[10:55] <popey> http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup
[10:55] <popey> what do you get for "<city>"
[10:55] <popey> I get "None"
[10:55] <JamesTait> I get Arnold.
[10:55] <JamesTait> I am most offended.
[10:55] <popey> is that a town?
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[10:55] <mungbean> thats what facebook says too
[10:55]  * mungbean is not in ilford but is on talktalk so...
[10:56] <JamesTait> It's a suburb of Nottingham, I think, technically.
[10:56] <JamesTait> Probably.
[10:56] <JamesTait> Maybe.
[10:57] <popey> thanks chaps
[10:57] <JamesTait> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold,_Nottinghamshire
[10:57] <mungbean> better than barry i suppose
[11:01] <ali1234> i also get None
[11:01] <JamesTait> It's also about 20 miles away.
[11:01] <ali1234> i live one mile away from arnold
[11:01] <mgdm> popey: I get Glasgow. Also, I recognise the format of that response, I think. :-)
[11:01] <MooDoo> I live about 3 miles from arnold
[11:01] <MooDoo> ali1234: where are you?
[11:02] <ali1234> just off mansfield road
[11:02] <popey> ali1234: you on virgin?
[11:02] <JamesTait> I live in Mickleover, on the west of Derby.
[11:02] <ali1234> no
[11:02] <popey> ok
[11:02] <popey> ta
[11:03] <Laney> popey: I get None
[11:03] <mungbean> JamesTait: you like the rolling stones then?
[11:03] <mungbean> mick lover
[11:07] <bigcalm> On VM, I get none
[11:07] <mungbean> youtube keeps showing me the GB feed. which is not very GB like. #britishproblems
[11:07] <Daviey> popey: I get Manchster :)
[11:08] <Daviey> (spelt correctly tho)
[11:12] <JamesTait> Well played, mungbean. :)
[11:14] <mungbean> awww.thought it was too good to be true..http://www.snopes.com/photos/people/cinderella.asp
[11:15] <mungbean> don't have the heart to tell the person on facebook
[11:16] <popey> mungbean: no interest from my friend
[11:20] <mungbean> ok cheers for the update
[11:26] <popey> MartijnVdS: this outlines why I'd like GTAV http://imgur.com/24mOPlx
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: selfies?:t )
[11:26] <popey> ya
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: if you add me on http://socialclub.rockstargames.com you can see mine :)
[11:43] <czajkowski> http://www.meetup.com/London-MongoDB-User-Group/events/140769722/  Might be useful to some people
[11:51] <ali1234> rocketbirds is working on steam now
[11:53]  * AlanBell is a bit frustrated with MIME
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: what about it?
[11:54] <AlanBell> so I am trying to display an email on a web page
[11:54] <AlanBell> like a webmail thing would do
[11:54] <AlanBell> this is astonishingly hard to do right
[11:55] <ali1234> what part?
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it is. Webmail clients try *very* hard to do this securely as well
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> you can't just put the HTML from the email on the site verbatim, it might contain naughtiness
[11:56] <mgdm> AlanBell: could you rip it from something else? (like Roundcube or similar?)
[11:57] <AlanBell> so there is a text/html part and a text/plain part, there might be multipart/related bits with images that I can display, but they need to go in bits like
[11:57] <AlanBell> <img id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:part5.03080108.08010502@libertus.co.uk" alt="Description: sprs-email-logo" height="41" border="0" width="185">
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you need to build an in-memory "directory tree" of the MIME document
[11:57] <AlanBell> the cid: bit of the URL references the image attached in another mime bit
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: (and it sub-documents)
[11:57] <AlanBell> yeah, there are libraries to parse mime into a tree, done that bit
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> also to view HTML mail securely (XSS-proof, etc.)?
[11:58] <AlanBell> mgdm: I had a look at roundcube source, couldn't find the right bit
[11:58] <AlanBell> yeah, XSS fixing, CSS fixing and other stuff needs to happen
[11:59] <AlanBell> and delayed retrieval of remote <img> tags would be nice
[11:59] <AlanBell> I just don't get why there isn't a library that just does it
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: put it in an IMAP box, fire up roundcube to talk to it?
[12:12] <GentileBen> AlanBell, my Welsh friend.
[12:15]  * AlanBell is not Welsh :)
[12:15] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: actually, there might be some extractable libraries in roundcube
[12:17] <GentileBen> AlanBell: then all is lost.
[12:17] <AlanBell> I like leeks if that is any help?
[12:17] <GentileBen> AlanBell: now there is hope.
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> GentileBen: There is.. another
[13:05] <bigcalm> ARGH
[13:05] <bigcalm> Dash is appearing behind windows again
[13:19] <Myrtti> ah, sleet
[13:19] <Myrtti> time to pull out my camera
[13:30] <diddledan_> bigcalm, your problem is you're using windows :-p
[13:31] <bigcalm> ¬.¬
[13:32] <bigcalm> windows not Windows :P
[13:32] <diddledan_> :-p
[14:12] <mungbean> whats a approx figure to replace a couple of missing tiles on a standard london terrace house?
[14:39] <diddledan_> mungbean, for a couple, I would guess 2? </troll>
[14:39] <mungbean> :P
[14:40] <davmor2> mungbean: 42 everything is 42 in the end
[14:40] <mungbean> seems difficult to get tradesmen to do work nowadays
[14:40] <mungbean> anyone got any genuine idea?
[14:40] <popey> we had a tile replaced
[14:40] <popey> after one of our double glazed windows fell out in my hand
[14:40] <popey> (baby in other hand)
[14:40] <diddledan_> I'd ask my brother what he thinks but I don't know if he'll respond while he should be working - he's a sparky though so might not know the costs
[14:40] <popey> that was alarming
[14:41] <diddledan_> popey, clever
[14:41] <popey> indeed
[14:41] <davmor2> mungbean: being as it is in London, and being as you have to fork out London Tax for parts and then London Tax for workmen, LOTS!
[14:41] <daftykins> i had a couple of cracked kitchen floor tiles replaced for maybe £70 including the guy finding the tiles
[14:41] <diddledan_> popey, at least it wasn't "after one of our babies fell out of my hand"
[14:41] <daftykins> i then later found a stash of spare tiles up in the loft =|
[14:41] <daftykins> from the previous owner
[14:41] <daftykins> DOH
[14:42] <diddledan_> London sucks
[14:42] <daftykins> London tax? 0o
[14:42] <mungbean> i'll look in loft for tiles...but tiles are cheap
[14:42] <mungbean> its paying the man to climb up a ladder and the insuranceliability
[14:43] <diddledan_> daftykins, you don't know about the LondonTax?
[14:43] <daftykins> no sir
[14:43] <daftykins> i am not a mainlander thus i do not concern myself much with mainlander matters
[14:43] <diddledan_> daftykins, basically you add 20% onto everything you buy
[14:43] <daftykins> but that's just VAT? 0o
[14:43] <diddledan_> nope, in addition to VAT
[14:44] <daftykins> whaaaat?
[14:44] <daftykins> that sounds weird as
[14:44] <diddledan_> if you work in london you also get extra pay to supposedly cover the london tax
[14:44] <mungbean> can you call a man in from hertfordshire?
[14:45] <diddledan_> mungbean, depends whether I know him or not :-p
[14:45] <daftykins> i used checkatrade numbers a lot whilst fixing my portsmouth place up
[14:45] <daftykins> very handy
[14:46] <mungbean> cheers
[14:46] <popey> our neighbours get men+van from wales whenever they have work done
[14:46] <davmor2> daftykins: I used to work for a builders Merchant in wolverhampton.  We would often get calls to deliver to London, we would tell them that there would be a full fuel cost and cost of a driver per vehicle and some people would still order from us as it was cheaper than buying from a london builders merchant if that gives you a clue
[14:46] <popey> cheaper to get them in from wales and do the work
[14:46] <daftykins> davmor2: D:
[14:46] <mungbean> my mums neighbour has got them from romania
[14:46] <daftykins> XD
[14:46] <mungbean> but they only really use hammers
[14:47] <mungbean> even to build a driveway, none of the right tools
[14:47] <diddledan_> I like using a hammer to mend soldered joints on my raspberry pi
[14:48] <diddledan_> ok I lie, but it would be interesting
[14:48] <mungbean> checkatrade seems sparse in n london
[14:48] <diddledan_> note to self, buy a hammer
[14:48] <daftykins> please put diddledan under said driveway
[14:48] <daftykins> :>
[14:49] <mungbean> whats the name of someone who does roof tiles? roofer is more a roof builder surely
[14:51] <diddledan_> roofing manager
[14:51] <davmor2> daftykins: Oh and don't forget London tax applies to everything, so the cost of the people the cost of the parts, the cost of the fuel, plus if you are really unlucky the cost of the emissions charge and your man spending 2 hours looking for somewhere to park the van
[14:52] <daftykins> why does anyone live in London again? :D
[14:52] <mungbean> my mums fault
[14:52] <mungbean> gave birth to me
[14:52] <shauno> damned fine question
[14:52] <BigRedS> 'cause London is brilliant
[14:52] <shauno> I can only assume people move to london because the release parties are there ;)
[14:52] <popey> Briliaaaaaaaaaant
[14:53] <popey> shauno: correlation != causation
[14:53] <mgdm> I have only ever been in London for a few days at a time
[14:53] <mgdm> I was there on Tuesday
[14:53] <davmor2> daftykins: because the cost of living being higher means the wages are too :)
[14:53]  * xnox sings "You wanna piece of me?!"
[14:54] <mgdm> always quite pleased to return to a sensibleplace
[14:54] <xnox> so badly want to get tickets for that Vegas show =)
[14:54] <shauno> got me thinking, I really should print out a t-shirt with a "winkie face" on it
[14:55] <diddledan_> shauno, pervert
[14:55] <mungbean> i live in the london suburbs, so i get the worst of both worlds
[14:55] <mungbean> expensive but none of the fun
[14:55] <davmor2> haha
[14:56] <shauno> diddledan_: I was actually just thinking it'd have to be the emoticon variant, a big yellow smiley winking would come off all wrong.  but you already went there :/
[15:03] <diddledan_> shauno, you were the one that mentioned winkies
[15:04] <daftykins> guys =/
[15:05] <diddledan_> daftykins, pretend it says dinkies then remember that small cars used to be called dinkietoys
[15:05] <daftykins> dunno you're kinda dragging the channel down :P
[15:05] <shauno> I actually know that term as the 'wink' variant of smiley.  the internet's just set me straight :/
[15:06] <daftykins> fwiw i would've known what you meant :(
[15:06] <diddledan_> shauno, how long have you known me and yet still only just found that out?!
[15:09] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wee_Willie_Winkie
[15:10] <daftykins> heh
[15:10] <daftykins> i recall that name
[15:10] <daftykins> promoting childrens libraries? by saying a child in a nightgown will come and search your windows to see if you're reading? D:
[15:10] <ali1234> what makes you think he is a child?
[15:10] <ali1234> i think he's a tiny old man, personally
[15:10] <ali1234> i mean he's got white hair
[15:11] <daftykins> could be anything!
[15:12] <diddledan_> I'm not mentioning the obvious connotation of an old man peeking in children's windows
[15:12] <mungbean> bfg?
[15:12] <mungbean> rolf harris?
[15:12] <mungbean> allegedly
[15:12] <mungbean> :'(
[15:13] <bigcalm> Little off topic now?
[15:14] <daftykins> bigcalm: that's when this channel is at its' best
[15:14] <daftykins> Rolf could never do any harm. he does nothing but sit in his armchair at home with his wobble board leaning up beside him
[15:16] <SuperMatt> what's the latest news on his charges right now?
[15:16] <diddledan_> I'm not going to mention rolf's "wobble board" it sounds too perverted when I say it
[15:16] <daftykins> i'm not sure, lets see what the intertubes have to share
[15:17] <daftykins> diddledan_: you could make anything sound so :(
[15:17] <diddledan_> daftykins, bingo!
[15:17] <daftykins> SuperMatt: i think court is just in progress atm
[15:20] <daftykins> SuperMatt: ah, bailed for a fortnight
[15:21] <SuperMatt> well, that's enough to say there is definitely a lot of smoke, but the jury is still out (literally) on the fire
[15:21] <daftykins> yeah
[15:22] <daftykins> i see it as almost sensationalist 'fashion' at the moment to target all these old stars
[15:22] <SuperMatt> well
[15:22] <SuperMatt> the older stars are more likely to have been involved in such a scandle, unfortunately.
[15:22] <diddledan_> I really hope rolf is innocent
[15:22] <SuperMatt> just the way the world was back then
[15:24]  * SuperMatt hopes bug 1228302 gets fixed before saucy is frozen.
[15:24] <lubotu3`> bug 1228302 in btrfs-tools (Ubuntu) "btrfs-convert does not work (unable to open ctree)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228302
[15:24] <SuperMatt> it'd be a shame to miss out on in because I'm itching to convert some filesystems
[15:54] <davmor2> SuperMatt: just pick on popey till it is, he is afterall btrfs champion :D
[15:56] <diddledan_> mmm btr
[16:01] <SuperMatt> I don't know why people call it butter fs, when clearly it should be better fs
[16:01] <daftykins> haha
[16:02] <SuperMatt> but seriously, I've been playing with btrfs and lxc and as a combination they are *deadly*
[16:03] <SuperMatt> I say deadly, I mean a neat little way of containerising your services
[16:03] <SuperMatt> but I'm beginning to see why I should have btrfs at home
[16:03] <SuperMatt> it's super easy to add disks in to an array
[16:04] <daftykins> does it have any advantages over EXT4 for single disk systems?
[16:04] <SuperMatt> weeeeelll
[16:04] <SuperMatt> there's still snapshotting
[16:04] <SuperMatt> which is good when using apt and an unstable version of your os
[16:19] <directhex> if only xvm was open source
[16:32] <ali1234> what is "skype-mid"?
[16:32] <ali1234> !info skype-mid
[16:32] <lubotu3`> Package skype-mid does not exist in quantal
[16:32] <ali1234> lies. it is in the partner repo
[16:33] <ali1234> "skype for MIDs" - i assume that means mobile internet devices
[16:47] <ali1234> how do i stop v4l device nodes from shuffling around?
[16:48] <davmor2> ali1234: only have one device?
[16:48] <ali1234> no i have two and one of them is usb
[16:48] <ali1234> actually same problem with its audio source
[16:49] <davmor2> I don't think there is a way to stop it, iirc they are just picked up by the system at run time
[16:49] <popey> hehe /116
[16:49] <popey> er
[16:50] <popey> http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/
[16:50] <popey> 10 mins!
[16:55] <diddledan_> time to wander
[16:58] <DJones> !alisIs there an easy method to join about 10 quicktime .mov files into s ingle video file
[16:58] <lubotu3`> DJones: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:58] <DJones> Is there an easy method to join about 10 quicktime .mov files into s ingle video file
[16:58] <mgdm> DJones: ffmpeg or mencoder can probably do it
[16:59] <DJones> Thanks, I'll give them a look
[17:33] <ali1234> so [O  ] is "steam machines" (not steambox, i'm glad they didn't call it that)
[17:34] <ali1234> what does everyone think O+O is?
[17:34] <directhex> joypad?
[17:34] <directhex> it could be dual analogue sticks and a d-pad
[17:35] <ali1234> could be
[17:35] <ali1234> but i think the O is steamOS
[17:36] <directhex> in general, yes... but regardless, i think friday they announce the joypad.
[17:36] <ali1234> that's a bit of a weak thing to announce third
[17:37] <ali1234> "murder, arson, and jaywalking..."
[17:38] <directhex> mmmmmmmmm....... see, the thing is, the input device is critical to defining a games system
[17:38] <directhex> i mean, consider the wii if they hadn't bothered talking about the wiimote
[17:38] <ali1234> "yeah so we made this console and you're not gonna believe this... but... it has a controller!"
[17:38] <directhex> it'
[17:38] <directhex> bah
[17:38] <directhex> it's something people get worked up over
[17:39] <davmor2> ali1234: they missed a trick should of been called steam engines :D
[17:39] <directhex> look at how people reacted to the ps3's prototype "boomerang" controller
[17:39] <ali1234> haha i totally forgot about that
[17:39] <ali1234> also the HUGEEEEE xbox controller thing
[17:40] <ali1234> but it's pretty much guaranteed that the steam controller will be very very similar to the xbox one
[17:40] <directhex> probably
[17:41] <directhex> but even then, there's room for variation
[17:41] <ali1234> the configuration screens in big picture already exist
[17:41] <directhex> the ouya pad sucks compared to the 360, for example
[17:41] <ali1234> and loads of games use it
[17:41] <ali1234> it's built in to SDL... the button definitions i mean
[17:41] <directhex> loads of games use the 360 pad, since MS made it standard for Games For Windows
[17:41] <ali1234> obviously the physical shape is up for modification
[17:41] <ali1234> yeah valve has now made it a standard in SDL too
[17:42] <ali1234> instead of probing every axis and every button on the joystick you get a joypad object, it has the same buttons as an xbox pad
[17:42] <ali1234> you configure the mapping once in steam and then it works in "all" games
[17:43] <directhex> there's scope for change though
[17:43] <ali1234> so it's not going to be some crazy motion controller or virtual sword fighting stuff
[17:43] <directhex> e.g. a pad with something else in it
[17:43] <ali1234> O+O could be 3d goggles tho
[17:43] <directhex> like the ps4 pad has a light for use w/ ps eye camera, and a touchpad area
[17:44] <ali1234> is it generally possible to play PC games on a 3d TV?
[17:45] <directhex> no. well, no-ish
[17:45] <directhex> you can with a radeon, but most games only support nvidia 3d vision
[17:45] <directhex> or you need an unofficial 3dification driver
[17:45] <ali1234> O+O could also mean they're going to add more social features to steam. maybe a video conferencing system
[17:46] <ali1234> i notice you have to have 10 steam friends to be in the beta
[17:46] <directhex> http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-hd3d/Pages/3d-desktop-graphics.aspx#4
[17:47] <ali1234> hmm so the support is already there for software
[17:47] <ali1234> if you buy the right hardware
[17:51] <ali1234> whatever it is i hope it's something really unexpected
[17:51] <directhex> oh! nvidia will sell you support for 3d tvs, if you don't want a 3d monitor
[17:51] <directhex> for $40
[17:51] <ali1234> yeah this is living room after all
[17:51] <ali1234> and likely nvidia based
[18:53] <mungbean> what was the valve announcement?
[18:54] <ali1234> steam beta hardware
[18:57] <daftykins> i.e. nothing interesting part deux
[18:58] <mgdm> nothing interesting? that's an interesting way of putting it
[18:58] <mgdm> I thought it was quite interesting
[18:58] <mgdm> and I dont' use Steam or play games
[18:59] <ali1234> yeah it's interesting i think
[18:59] <ali1234> if the next one is just the controller, that will be boring
[18:59] <daftykins> pics and details would be vaguely interesting
[19:02] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairy_ball_theorem#Application_to_computer_graphics just blew my mind
[19:03] <ali1234> i never saw it stated exactly like that before, but it makes perfect sense
[19:08] <SuperEngineer> Video games maker Valve invites members of the public to test a version of its forthcoming hardware ahead of it going on sale in 2014.
[19:08] <SuperEngineer> ...does that make it better for you daftykins ?
[19:09] <daftykins> not since you reiterated what i'd already read, no
[19:09] <daftykins> what made you think that was different?
[19:09] <SuperEngineer> boo hiss!
[19:10] <SuperEngineer> nowt - expected nothing - got nothing
[19:10] <SuperEngineer> my sympathies
[19:10] <ali1234> does anyone else read steamOS like cheerios?
[19:11] <ali1234> those little O symbols... they are steam Os
[19:12] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: they taste like cheeriOs - but more fun ;)
[19:16] <mungbean> steam hardware beta involves giving your address up front
[19:18] <mungbean> saw that fella on mock the week talking about farming simulator 2013....thought it was a joke
[19:19] <ali1234> that's actually one of the better "simulator" games
[19:19] <ali1234> there's a road sweeper simulator game...
[19:20] <daftykins> what would be a good way of sharing a terminal game for others to watch?
[19:20] <ali1234> like shell terminal?
[19:20] <daftykins> ja
[19:20] <ali1234> screen probably
[19:20] <daftykins> i was thinking that
[19:20] <ali1234> i think you can set it up in watch only mode
[19:21] <daftykins> no way to pipe one out to a telnet feed or something for view only? to avoid login
[19:21] <daftykins> oic
[19:21] <ali1234> http://superuser.com/questions/320571/a-view-only-mode-in-screen
[19:21] <ali1234> i did not read the linked howto
[19:22] <ali1234> but basically make a user, set their shell to something that runs screen with appropriate args... that's about it
[19:22] <daftykins> ty sir
[19:22] <ali1234> screen sometimes acts weird over telnet but it should be ok for read only
[19:22] <mungbean> there's a guy on youtube who plays all these weird simluar games and reviews them on youtube while he plays
[19:23] <ali1234> what game is it anyway?
[19:23] <ali1234> i didn't think there was that many terminal games... at least not ones you'd want to watch someone playing
[19:23] <mungbean> i wish i could change my steam id
[19:23] <ali1234> maybe nethack
[19:23] <mungbean> bought it off some kids when i bought halflife
[19:24] <ali1234> you can change your display name
[19:24] <mungbean> he didn't have any other games so sold me his steamid
[19:24] <mungbean> yeah, the login is a numpty one now
[19:24] <mungbean> s/now/though
[19:38] <ali1234> i think i'm losing it... i just tried to turn the sound up because the video is too dark
[19:39] <daftykins> 8D
[19:45] <mungbean> anyone seen the film "moon"? any good?
[19:45] <shauno> I liked it
[19:47] <quantumpants> evening all
[19:50] <mungbean> 5 mins in so far
[20:08] <mungbean> bit of a derivative of solaris
[20:17] <mgdm> like illumos? :P
[20:37] <mungbean> argh even the keyboard on the moon has windows key
[20:38] <bigcalm> directhex: ping
[21:04] <mungbean> http://www.videogamer.com/ps3/gta5/news/gta_online_microtransactions_range_in_price_between_1_99_and_13_49_report.html
[21:12] <mungbean> good filn ]]
[21:12] <mungbean> shauno: i liked
[21:13] <shauno> not bad is it.  just really slow if you're not expecting it
[21:13] <ali1234> **spoilers** don't you think doctor who totally ripped it off?
[21:15] <mungbean> seemed like a mash of all slow space films
[21:15] <mungbean> solaris/sunshine/etc
[21:16] <mungbean> what hasn't doctor  who ripped off ;P
[21:16] <ali1234> pretty much nothing
[21:16] <ali1234> however, it wasn't a particularly good episode (well, double pisode)
[21:17] <ali1234> like there's borrowing, then there's blatantly stealing the idea and making a poor copy
[21:18] <directhex> bigcalm, ?
[21:19] <bigcalm> directhex: I was trying to get https://code.google.com/p/monobooth/ working, but I don't know if I have the energy any more
[21:21] <ali1234> what's the problem? mono stuff usually isn't that hard
[21:23] <directhex> looks heavily windows-assumey
[21:23] <ali1234> it says it works on linux
[21:23] <directhex> e.g. the bundled windows opencv
[21:24] <ali1234> it looks like it needs a specific version of opencv tho, one that isn't in ubuntu
[21:29] <directhex> bundle of emgu cv for windows, i think
[21:32] <ali1234> it's available as a deb package
[21:32] <ali1234> from the project webpage
[21:41] <bigcalm> I've given up :)
[21:42] <dutchie> evening chaps
[21:42] <bigcalm> I either have to use a tablet or write something myself
[21:42] <bigcalm> Hi dutchie
[21:42] <dutchie> how's things?
[21:43] <bigcalm> Fantastic
[21:43] <bigcalm> How you?
[21:43] <dutchie> not too bad
[21:43] <ali1234> what's the specific use case?
[21:43] <ali1234> are you actually trying to build a photobooth for use by the public?
[21:43] <bigcalm> ali1234: photo booth for my wedding
[21:43] <dutchie> last week of work before i go on hols
[21:43] <dutchie> then back to uni
[21:44] <bigcalm> Still at uni? Last year?
[21:44] <dutchie> yeah, 4 year course
[21:45] <bigcalm> qaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAA
[21:45] <dutchie> ?
[21:45] <bigcalm> tHANKS KITTY
[21:45] <bigcalm> Thanks kitty
[21:45] <dutchie> lol
[21:48]  * bigcalm gives in and cuddles the kitty
[21:48] <bigcalm> Toodles
[21:49] <dutchie> bai
[22:02] <ali1234> ok it needs opencv mono bindings version which is not packaged
[22:02] <ali1234> not even upstream
[22:02] <ali1234> i give up
[22:04] <directhex> You are now one out of 54,279 eligible beta candidates.
[22:04] <daftykins> hah
[22:04] <daftykins> that was 30k earlier when someone else did it
[22:05] <ali1234> well you still have slightly better than 0.5% chance
[22:10] <directhex> not quite
[22:10] <directhex> 270 random, 30 selected
[22:10] <ali1234> they might select you tho
[22:10] <directhex> i mailed gaben all my best nude pics, so i'm getting into the 30
[22:10] <ali1234> they should do, you know enough about it
[22:11] <ali1234> bigcalm: what about hacking this: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtmultimedia/multimediawidgets-declarative-camera.html
[22:16] <directhex> here is a valve patent. http://www.google.com/patents/US20110105231
[22:20] <ali1234> o_O
[22:20] <ali1234> is that a trackball
[22:20] <ali1234> if so, genius
[22:21] <ali1234> that's really cool
[22:21] <ali1234> just switch from joystick to mouse mode at any time
[22:29] <popey> SuperMatt: I asked about the btrfs bug you mentioned in #btrfs, magically it's now linked to the upstream bug where there's a patch. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62131
[22:41] <orothus> hi
[23:03] <diddledan> popey: well done chap
[23:06] <daftykins> hey guys, i just helped someone install a neat python script for uploading youtube videos
[23:06] <daftykins> he wants to be able to have it automated so he can leave it do them, but i'm wondering the best way to do that
[23:07] <daftykins> right now you specify all the user login + video option paramaters on the command line, naturally, but of course you'd want all those pre-set so you can leave a script upload all the parts to a video
[23:07] <daftykins> is there anything better than just making up a script that calls each upload command one by one?