[12:16] <tjaalton> looks like xorg-server has been accumulating a bunch of crashers all over the place
[12:16] <tjaalton> drivers etc
[12:58] <tjaalton> uh, how can a system running on nouveau crash with a trace that points to ../src/sna/sna_threads.c?
[12:59] <tjaalton> ahh hybrid, of course..
[13:09] <bjsnider> use the bios switch, turn off one of the chips
[13:09] <bjsnider> if you don't have a switch, that's unfortunate
[13:10] <tjaalton> nah triaging bugs
[13:34] <bcurtiswx_> why would .Xauthority file not let me login from lightDM even with the 664 user:user for permissions
[13:35] <bcurtiswx_> upon removing the file it let me login, but appeared to have the right permissions to allow me to login
[13:35] <bjsnider> mine is 600 user:user
[13:36] <bjsnider> maybe it wasn't permissions. maybe the file was corrupt
[13:36] <bcurtiswx_> bjsnider: so then what was causing it to become corrupt?
[13:37] <bcurtiswx_> i haven't purposely messed with that file specifically, only done updates in Saucy
[13:37] <bjsnider> impossible question to answer
[13:38] <bcurtiswx_> it's happened twice in the past week
[13:38] <bcurtiswx_> past 2 weeks*
[13:38] <bcurtiswx_> It's a simple workaround and all, but seems like possibly a bigger issue
[13:39] <bcurtiswx_> there's no error that says your .Xauthority file is corrupt that would clue even experienced users into why it happens if they see it for the first time
[13:40] <bjsnider> well, i dunno. i'm not on saucy yet, and i don't log in with lightdm
[13:40] <bjsnider> file a bug if you want
[13:40] <bjsnider> should be against lightdm i suppose
[13:41] <bcurtiswx_> I will next time it arises, that way i can attach my .Xauthority file to the bug report
[14:23] <bjsnider> bugs don't arise, they manifest themselves
[15:08] <bjsnider> i don't understand this movie by nvidia. are they saying the blob isn't good enough?
[15:08] <bjsnider> they'd rather have people using nouveau?
[15:09] <tjaalton> they want distros to provide better OOTB experience
[15:09] <tjaalton> which is not happening
[15:10] <tjaalton> right now
[15:10] <bjsnider> i see
[15:10] <tjaalton> you need to read the original announcement, not phoronix ;)
[15:10] <bjsnider> they want the first boot to be better just before users are prompted to install the blob
[15:10] <tjaalton> phoronix jumped the gun
[15:11] <tjaalton> it's a start
[15:11] <bjsnider> i'm reading ars
[15:12] <tjaalton> yeah that's more accurate
[15:12] <tjaalton> actual quotes
[15:12] <tjaalton> "basic 3d rendering"
[15:13] <tjaalton> maybe related to libglvnd too
[15:13] <bjsnider> not sure why all of a sudden after so many years they'd make this decision
[15:13] <bjsnider> they had their own nv driver for that
[15:14] <bjsnider> they abandoned it
[15:14] <tjaalton> maybe it took years to get this far
[15:14] <tjaalton> behind the curtains
[15:14] <tjaalton> they abandoned nv because nouveau was already the default on distros and doing kms
[15:15] <bjsnider> yes but that would have been the time to make this movie
[15:15] <tjaalton> and nv was obfuscated
[15:15] <tjaalton> doubt they were just sitting on the docs
[15:16] <tjaalton> just writing them takes time
[15:16] <bjsnider> they had to be written down somewhere originally
[15:16] <bjsnider> they're not keeping everything in their heads over there
[15:17] <bjsnider> it takes time to redact aspects of them that are patented
[15:17] <tjaalton> exactly
[15:17] <tjaalton> and make the lawyers happy
[15:17] <bjsnider> i don't think it would take this much time
[15:18] <bjsnider> they could have claimed they were going to do this around the time they abandoned nv