[00:14] <OvenWerks> zequence_: Yes if there are no packages to deal with that is an error and the user should be told so.
[00:16] <OvenWerks> It would be easy to make installed packages already installed show as selected. I might also replace the description text with "already installed" Or preface the description with "Installed - "
[00:18] <OvenWerks> To add remove, take the original list and subtract the install list to make a remove list.
[00:22] <OvenWerks> very quickly we start to run into the limits that zenity has. Then we have to add more libraries. The whole thing becomes a much bigger project. We want it to be able to run on any DE without adding lots of stuff. I am alsomost 
[00:23] <OvenWerks> almost... thinking it would be better to use tcl/tk or perl/tk
[00:23] <OvenWerks> I think tk pulls tcl anyway.
[00:26] <OvenWerks> ubiquity has some code that loads gtk or kde/qtish stuff depending on what it finds.
[00:31] <OvenWerks> Do we want to remove packages at the same time as install? Could we have two select screens one for install and one for remove?
[00:33] <OvenWerks> There are lots of options. Finding the slimmest one that is still does all we want is best.
[00:38] <zequence_> OvenWerks: I think it's enough if the installed packages are just toggled. And, it's just about adding an apt-get remove option to items in the list that have been changed to remove since initial read
[00:38] <zequence_> However clear that was.. :P
[00:39] <OvenWerks> only if they are already installed :)
[00:39] <zequence_> The slimmes option in my view would be just to add an uninstall function for packages that were set to be removed
[00:40] <zequence_> The toggles are self-explanatory
[00:40] <OvenWerks> should we ask the user to confirm removal?
[00:40] <zequence_> Just confirm changes
[00:40] <zequence_> And perhaps show a list of packages set to be installed, and the set of packages to be removed
[00:41] <OvenWerks> ok.
[00:42] <OvenWerks> Before I get there, I will be changing the apt-get running from a run as pipe to a child process so I can get all output and give inputn if needed.
[00:43] <OvenWerks> Right now all I have is STDOUT, I would like STDERR for sure and maybe STDIN as well
[00:45] <zequence_> Wonder if we could tag some packages with ubuntustudio
[00:45] <zequence_> That would make it easier to automate a lot of stuff
[00:46] <OvenWerks> tag?
[00:46] <zequence_> Application category
[00:47] <zequence_> I'm thinking another feature in the future for the installer - and then zenity might not work anymore, is to make it a bit like what falktx did for one of his apps
[00:47] <zequence_> ..show what each application can do
[00:47] <zequence_> what they support
[00:48] <zequence_> Why I don't like that idea though, is because it requires so much work from our side, in maintenance
[00:48] <OvenWerks> I think just getting to know apt and its tools might make automation easier too.
[00:48] <zequence_> would be better in fact if there was a standard for some type of categorization in Debian packaging, maybe Linux packaging, that would save us that work. We'd just provide a gui with info about the packages
[00:49] <OvenWerks> USC?
[00:49] <zequence_> Like, which audio apps support jack - as an example
[00:49] <OvenWerks> :)
[00:49] <zequence_> Well, if it would do that, then sure
[00:49] <zequence_> or any of the package managers
[00:50] <zequence_> in which case, we wouldn't need ubuntustudio-installer in the first place
[00:50] <OvenWerks> The problem with that is audicity supports jack... very badly
[00:50] <zequence_> doesn't matter how well it supports jack
[00:50] <zequence_> it's a boolean question
[00:50] <zequence_> does it, or does it not?
[00:51] <OvenWerks> From POV not
[00:51] <OvenWerks> My POV
[00:51] <zequence_> POV is not a technical aspect
[00:51] <OvenWerks> but on paper it does
[00:51] <zequence_> If people are unhappy, they should report bugs
[00:52] <zequence_> We don't need to bend the truth for them
[00:52] <OvenWerks> The jack support in audacity is so bad in some uses as to be easier to use through pulse
[00:53] <zequence_> I really don't see the relevance of how well Audacity supports jack for how to describe the technical features of an application
[00:53] <OvenWerks> The good thing is that doesn't matter, because audacity's best use doesn't need jack
[06:49] <cub> Good morning, I
[06:49] <cub> am going to be in a conference for two days now so I'll try to run some test cases in parallell..:)
[08:18] <smartboyhw> Hmm, we got all results ready....
[09:01] <cub_> Hi smartboyhw, while running the test case for live session, I wonder about the fourth step:
[09:02] <cub_> Use and execute the default applications found for the desktop enviroment being run. All applications should function without error
[09:02] <cub_> Which is our "default applications"?
[09:02] <smartboyhw> cub_, well, what kind of "error" did you encounter into?
[09:02] <smartboyhw> cub_: Browser, audio, blah blah blah
[09:03] <cub_> I haven't started yet. I just wonder if I should open EVERY application in the menus
[09:05] <smartboyhw> cub, random check i think
[09:05] <smartboyhw> :P
[09:14] <cub_> hehe ok
[13:16] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: is 32bit marked ready too?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, yes
[13:17] <OvenWerks> I haven't gone looking this morning... need coffee
[14:17] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, do you have the effort to re-test the i386 image? It looks like quite a number of fixes went in ubiquity......
[14:56] <madeinkobaia> Hi all : )
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Hello madeinkobaia :)P
[14:57] <madeinkobaia> :) What's up smartboyhw
[14:57] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, waiting for Len's reply
[14:58] <madeinkobaia> \o/
[14:58] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, um, it might not be a \o/
[15:02] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw: for sure, its a paradoxical use of an emoticon (just kiddind ;p )
[15:02] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, :P
[15:03] <madeinkobaia> O:-)
[15:05] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, no need to ask you I think, infinity is doing a MASS respin.
[15:06] <smartboyhw> i.e. everything gets respun
[15:59] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, please make sure you DO test the respinnned images, I will test the respinned image first thing tomorrow when I came back from school