| ochosi | has anyone else noticed that appfinder seems to open really slowly in 13.10? | 06:21 |
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| ochosi | (i'm just wondering whether it has to do with some dev packages i use atm or whether it's a general 13.10 issue) | 06:22 |
| olbi | hi guys | 07:28 |
| olbi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1230123 | 07:28 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1230123 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed after installing software" [Undecided,New] | 07:28 |
| olbi | changed package :P | 07:29 |
| elfy | "What could it be?" usc is rubbish? :) | 07:38 |
| elfy | USC should be a link to synaptic :p | 07:39 |
| elfy | symlink ... | 07:39 |
| elfy | olbi: there's a pretty good chance that it's a dupe | 07:41 |
| olbi | :P | 07:43 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: what is appfinder? | 07:56 |
| ochosi | ali1234: xfce4-appfinder can be used as an applauncher | 07:56 |
| ochosi | an advanced xfrun4 | 07:56 |
| ali1234 | it opens instantly for me when i run it from the terminal | 07:57 |
| ochosi | (in fact the functionality of xfrun4 was merged into appfinder) | 07:57 |
| ochosi | m, ok, i was afraid it would be something in my installation | 07:57 |
| ali1234 | that would make a nice start menu | 07:57 |
| elfy | are there problems with it? | 07:58 |
| ochosi | elfy: it starts with a 8sec delay here | 07:58 |
| elfy | immediate here | 07:58 |
| ochosi | ali1234: yeah, there were plans for making that a start-menu | 07:59 |
| ochosi | ali1234: actually whisker-menu does that job now | 07:59 |
| ali1234 | never heard of that either | 07:59 |
| ali1234 | i probably wouldn't use these things anyway | 07:59 |
| ochosi | me neither, but it could be useful for the average user | 08:00 |
| elfy | bbl | 08:01 |
| andrzejr | ali1234, a while ago I tried converting/extending appfinder into start menu | 08:45 |
| andrzejr | it failed because you (apparently) cannot have an embedded object in a menu | 08:46 |
| andrzejr | other solution would be to modify appfinder internals to popup a menu and communicate with a panel plugin via dbus - but that was a too big change to be accepted | 08:47 |
| andrzejr | gtg | 08:48 |
| brainwash | ochosi: bug 1048805 | 09:05 |
| ubottu | bug 1048805 in xfce4-appfinder (Ubuntu) "xfrun4 launches very slowly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048805 | 09:05 |
| ochosi | right, that looks a bit like it | 09:07 |
| ochosi | got to check what exactly in the session changed | 09:07 |
| brainwash | kinda an old bug.. I did not expect it to be still around | 09:08 |
| brainwash | maybe you have applied the workaround before, but it got reverted by upgrading to 13.10 | 09:10 |
| ochosi | no, never applied any workaround | 09:10 |
| ochosi | the workaround is only to modify the keyboard-shortcut and that wouldn't be touched on upgrading | 09:11 |
| brainwash | I'll test it on my test system later | 09:11 |
| brainwash | was thinking about the .desktop file | 09:11 |
| ochosi | ah, hm | 09:12 |
| ochosi | well i'll apply that workaround now, because i really wanna use appfinder :) | 09:12 |
| brainwash | and it did work without delay in 13.04? | 09:13 |
| ochosi | yeah, iirc it even worked in 13.10 without a delay until shortly | 09:13 |
| brainwash | wow, that's odd | 09:14 |
| ochosi | indeed | 09:14 |
| brainwash_ | it opens instantly here | 09:20 |
| brainwash_ | even without the workaround | 09:20 |
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| ochosi | thanks for checking brainwash | 09:24 |
| knome | ochosi, was there a bug for the slow logout? | 09:32 |
| knome | http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1310Beta2Release | 09:32 |
| ochosi | yes, one sec | 09:32 |
| brainwash | bug 1227212 | 09:32 |
| ubottu | bug 1227212 in upstart "Session logout takes too long" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227212 | 09:32 |
| brainwash | :D | 09:33 |
| knome | feel free to add anything you think is appropriate to that pad | 09:33 |
| ochosi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/1227212 | 09:33 |
| ochosi | arr | 09:33 |
| ochosi | too slow | 09:33 |
| ochosi | i guess i should file a bug against me now... | 09:33 |
| brainwash | still no comment from the upstart author :/ | 09:35 |
| brainwash | should this one also get added to the list bug 1226509 ? | 09:38 |
| ubottu | bug 1226509 in systemd (Ubuntu) "lightdm_get_can_restart returns false in Ubuntu Saucy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226509 | 09:38 |
| ochosi | yeah, i'd say so | 09:38 |
| ochosi | no reply from robert on that one yet | 09:38 |
| brainwash | btw I added systemd to the list of affected packages, still wondering why the rules for reboot and shutdown differ | 09:39 |
| knome | what's the user-facing bug description on that? | 09:39 |
| ochosi | no restart-option in the greeter | 09:41 |
| ochosi | g2g, prolly bbl | 09:42 |
| knome | elfy, i set up http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1310Beta2Release, feel free to extend as you see fit :9 | 09:48 |
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| knome | elfy, actually, i need to get out now, but see the pad; that should be a good start, and we can work on it together later | 11:38 |
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| OvenWerks | ochosi: appfinder took two seconds the fist time and maybe 1/4 second the next few times | 13:07 |
| elfy | back - later than anticipated :| | 15:01 |
| elfy | knome: added some to the pad | 15:18 |
| brainwash | the printer applet does not show up in the panel? | 15:18 |
| brainwash | same for update notifier | 15:19 |
| ochosi | those two should end up in the indicator-plugin | 15:20 |
| elfy | hi brainwash ochosi | 15:21 |
| ochosi | hey elfy | 15:21 |
| brainwash | hi elfy | 15:21 |
| brainwash | ochosi: so they should work? | 15:21 |
| ochosi | dunno, i've disabled update-notifications and i don't have a printer to test... | 15:21 |
| elfy | is update notifier actaully working at all? | 15:22 |
| ochosi | but yeah, in 13.04 they're shown as indicators | 15:22 |
| ochosi | i'm not quite sure these have fallback-trayicons | 15:22 |
| elfy | I've not seen it at all | 15:22 |
| ochosi | well, that's fun then | 15:22 |
| elfy | but update manager stopped for ages as well - that's back lately, notifier is apparently running | 15:23 |
| brainwash | I needed to print some pages (first time since saucy upgrade) and the printer indicator didn't show up.. do I change the application and hit <print> again.. went to the printer and now I got to tons of printed pages | 15:23 |
| ochosi | :] | 15:24 |
| ochosi | well that clearly sucks | 15:24 |
| elfy | default icon set is darker? | 15:24 |
| ochosi | yup | 15:24 |
| elfy | k - set it to that for the moment then | 15:25 |
| brainwash | python /usr/share/system-config-printer/applet.py | 15:25 |
| elfy | brb | 15:27 |
| brainwash | so it's likely that these indicators have been converted to gtk3 ones too, or? | 15:27 |
| ochosi | no, afaik they didn't use separate indicator-plugins, but indicator-application-gtk2 | 15:28 |
| ochosi | it's possible that they broke support for the gtk2 version | 15:28 |
| elfy | so - update manager starts with available updates - nothing in indicator panel though | 15:30 |
| ochosi | hm | 15:32 |
| elfy | seem to have an odd 'indicator sized blank' at the end of the indicator panel | 15:32 |
| ochosi | did you deactivate the notifications maybe? | 15:32 |
| ochosi | can you click that blank? | 15:32 |
| elfy | not that I know off - I leave notifications on - use it for other things - though I have moved it | 15:32 |
| ochosi | so wait, to sum this up: the only indicator that's still working with gtk2 is the network-manager? | 15:32 |
| elfy | no - not clickable - rather can right click and get ind panel menu | 15:33 |
| elfy | ochosi: not sure - I've got the ones I did from git here | 15:33 |
| elfy | just remembered that ... | 15:33 |
| ochosi | so you're using gtk3? | 15:33 |
| elfy | yea | 15:33 |
| elfy | sorry - for the confusion | 15:34 |
| ochosi | oh | 15:34 |
| ochosi | what about you brainwash ? | 15:34 |
| ochosi | gtk2 or gtk3? | 15:34 |
| brainwash | default saucy one | 15:34 |
| ochosi | (maybe the updates-notifications are generally broken, wouldn't surprise me this cycle) | 15:34 |
| brainwash | elfy: and the printer applet? also hidden? | 15:35 |
| elfy | no printer to check with | 15:35 |
| brainwash | print to pdf | 15:35 |
| brainwash | via cups | 15:35 |
| elfy | no applet - but this is gtk3 | 15:35 |
| elfy | I'll boot a vm from the b2 iso | 15:36 |
| brainwash | and saucy broke my preferred print size (or maybe I messed up at some point), A4 is cut of on top/bottom | 15:38 |
| elfy | nothing showing there | 15:39 |
| ochosi | brainwash: it's probably set to US Letter | 15:40 |
| brainwash | maybe I should also install gnome or unity | 15:48 |
| brainwash | but actually, aren't you running unity in one of your various vms? | 15:51 |
| elfy | who? | 15:52 |
| brainwash | you | 15:52 |
| ochosi | :) | 15:52 |
| brainwash | the testing guy :P | 15:52 |
| elfy | no - I did have one then got rid of it ;) | 15:52 |
| ochosi | i'm always tempted to give gnome3 another shot for realz | 15:53 |
| * ochosi hides | 15:53 | |
| brainwash | yea, gnome 3.10 looks really promising | 15:53 |
| elfy | I can set one up easily enough | 15:53 |
| elfy | depends if this has been fixed or not :p "ubiquity needs to be updated for the new indicators" | 15:53 |
| xnox | elfy: hm? | 15:54 |
| brainwash | isn't ubiquity the installer? | 15:54 |
| elfy | yea | 15:54 |
| elfy | anyway - I'll download it and install it I guess | 15:54 |
| ochosi | what does that mean though? | 15:54 |
| elfy | no idea ochosi | 15:54 |
| ochosi | ubiquity doesn't really use the indicators afaik | 15:54 |
| ochosi | xnox: ^ ? | 15:54 |
| ali1234 | ubiquity is just the install wizard | 15:55 |
| * xnox just asked elfy what is meant by "to be updated for the new indicators"?! | 15:55 | |
| elfy | title of a bug | 15:55 |
| xnox | elfy: bug 1204290 ? | 15:56 |
| ubottu | bug 1204290 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity needs to be updated for the new indicators" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1204290 | 15:56 |
| xnox | note the fix released. | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | ah... does it put something into the indicator panel? | 15:57 |
| elfy | brainwash: ok - it's installing now | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | like a progress indicator or something? | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | hmm it seems to have it's own indicator container | 15:59 |
| brainwash | the initial question: why don't the update notifier and printer applet show up in the panel? | 16:00 |
| ali1234 | because you have no printer configured and because xubuntu doesn't install update-notifier by default | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | assuming you are on gtk3/indicator-ng | 16:01 |
| brainwash | gtk2 | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | there is no gtk2 version of printer indicator | 16:01 |
| brainwash | yes, that makes sense | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | i'm not sure about update notifier actually | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | it's installed here but it never shows up | 16:02 |
| elfy | "update-notifier is already the newest version" | 16:02 |
| brainwash | it should be installed by default | 16:03 |
| ali1234 | it even says it is running | 16:03 |
| elfy | ** (update-notifier:2724): WARNING **: already running? | 16:03 |
| brainwash | because of some dependency | 16:03 |
| elfy | ochosi: between the mail indicator and the clementine icon http://imagebin.org/271894 | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | that looks like keyboard indicator | 16:22 |
| brainwash | is there already a website (or template) with the known issues in 13.10 | 16:49 |
| brainwash | like the missing message indicator in previous releases | 16:49 |
| ochosi | not sure, that kinda stuff usually goes into the release-notes | 16:54 |
| ochosi | currently those are being compiled here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1310Beta2Release | 16:57 |
| ochosi | quite the list of known issues already.. | 16:57 |
| ochosi | and a few inconvenient ones, i may add | 16:57 |
| brainwash | the pad webiste requires u1? | 17:03 |
| elfy | yep | 17:04 |
| elfy | or at least the ubuntu one does | 17:04 |
| Unit193 | (It's why I went for another one, kept logging me out. :P ) | 17:05 |
| elfy | brainwash: so after all that hassle ... no print indicator that I Can see in ubuntu | 17:07 |
| brainwash | elfy: did you open the printer queue? I'm not sure what could trigger the applet, printing to pdf/.. does not count as print job | 17:08 |
| elfy | well I've got nothing to print to | 17:09 |
| brainwash | and which panel actually, gtk2/gtk3 or the unity one? | 17:10 |
| elfy | unity I suppose - it's 2 years since I looked at ubuntu | 17:10 |
| brainwash | ah screw this, this indicator/applet mess is slowly driving me mad :D | 17:11 |
| elfy | looking at what ubuntu has is probably not the best method of retaining sanity | 17:12 |
| elfy | ochosi: I added 6 of those bugs to the pad - knome only had 3 on it | 17:14 |
| ochosi | elfy: what are you implying? | 17:17 |
| Unit193 | ISOs being rebuilt? There was a new ubiquity upload, right? | 17:17 |
| elfy | ochosi: not implying anything at all - just commenting is all :) | 17:18 |
| ochosi | ah ok :) | 17:18 |
| elfy | I'd dragged all the bugs reported on b2 to a list here - there were 16 | 17:18 |
| elfy | I added the more common or ones I thought people should be aware of :) | 17:18 |
| elfy | Unit193: no idea | 17:19 |
| elfy | probably :p | 17:19 |
| ochosi | well feel free to add all of them to the notes (imo), we can then decide what gets into the release-notes | 17:21 |
| elfy | just doing it now actually :) | 17:22 |
| ochosi | cool | 17:22 |
| elfy | all done :) | 17:24 |
| ochosi | hm, human-readable descriptions would be very nice though | 17:25 |
| elfy | dude - I'm trying to cook dinner too :p | 17:26 |
| ochosi | hehe | 17:26 |
| ochosi | sure, no problem | 17:26 |
| elfy | bowl of cornflakes at this rate lol | 17:26 |
| ochosi | :D | 17:26 |
| brainwash | so after upgrading my launchpad account to a fancy u1 one, I get this here: | 17:45 |
| brainwash | "Authorization is required to access http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1310Beta2Release" | 17:45 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: Yep, you need to be added to the etherpad group, pleia2 has done that for people in the past. | 17:46 |
| pleia2 | brainwash: what's your launchpad id? | 17:46 |
| brainwash | https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | done | 17:47 |
| brainwash | pleia2: great, thanks :) | 17:48 |
| elfy | as of by magic ... | 17:54 |
| elfy | ochosi: is that better :) | 17:59 |
| ochosi | cool, thanks elfy | 18:04 |
| elfy | welcome | 18:12 |
| Unit193 | Weren't we going to switch to xfce4-datetime-plugin at one point? | 18:36 |
| Unit193 | [17:50:45] queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Saucy Beta 2] has been updated (20130925.1) | 21:55 |
| Unit193 | [17:50:49] queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Builds: Xubuntu Desktop i386 [Saucy Beta 2] has been updated (20130925.1) | 21:55 |
| Unit193 | Was right! ;P | 21:55 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I think we were using xfce4-datetime-plugin at one point, then went back to the other one | 23:50 |
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