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| freeflying | I released a node from maas, which has been deployed with service by juju, is it possible to destroy the service now | 00:35 |
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| davecheney | freeflying: cn you say what you did another way | 00:42 |
| davecheney | i am not a maas expert | 00:42 |
| freeflying | davecheney, I have a environment running, deployed ceph charms, it fails due to lack of a second hd, then some one reinstalled aubuntu on one of the machine, I tried to destroy -service, | 00:44 |
| freeflying | davecheney, I can't achieve it, use destroy-unit -> resolved -> destroy-machine, all turned to fail too, then I release the node from maas, but juju status still hows its there | 00:45 |
| davecheney | freeflying: yes, sorry this is a known issue | 00:45 |
| freeflying | davecheney, any workaround so far | 00:46 |
| davecheney | https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1206532 | 00:47 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1206532: --terminate option for destroy-unit <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206532> | 00:47 |
| davecheney | freeflying: apart from ignoring the entry in status | 00:47 |
| davecheney | no | 00:47 |
| davecheney | https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1089289 | 00:48 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1089289: remove-unit --force <doc> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1089289> | 00:48 |
| davecheney | and several others | 00:48 |
| freeflying | davecheney, can we delete the status from mongodb | 00:48 |
| davecheney | freeflying: possibly, but utterly not recommended | 00:49 |
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| mrz | having problems getting juju bootstrap to work on a fresh ubuntu instance | 04:03 |
| mrz | not sure if i have my config set correctly. | 04:03 |
| mrz | and for whatever reasons, juju -e tosses an error too | 04:04 |
| mrz | error: error parsing environment "hpcloud": no public ssh keys found | 04:08 |
| mrz | what am I missing? | 04:09 |
| mrz | authorized-keys-path is missing from the default config. | 04:14 |
| mrz | appears to work (well returns nothing) after I added that | 04:14 |
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| AskUbuntu | juju credential error masage | http://askubuntu.com/q/350187 | 06:38 |
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| AskUbuntu | Does juju helps to build own private cloud | http://askubuntu.com/q/350226 | 09:26 |
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| AskUbuntu | Problem with upload images openstack | http://askubuntu.com/q/350243 | 12:58 |
| arosales | mrz, did you get your hp config working? | 13:03 |
| mgz | arosales: thought you'd tyoped me then... | 13:05 |
| arosales | mgz, ha I also initially thought you were also asking an hp question, and I thought that couldn't be right :-) | 13:06 |
| jcsackett | orangesquad: can i get a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/charmworld/askubuntu-job/+merge/187758 and https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/charmworld/askubuntu-in-review-queue/+merge/187771 please? neither are very long. | 14:20 |
| sinzui | jcsackett, I am in meetings for the next 3 hours. I can look after then | 14:21 |
| epafrashg_ | hi all | 14:27 |
| jcastro | hey utlemming | 14:27 |
| epafrashg_ | where are you come from? | 14:28 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1229275 was filed: juju destroy-environment also destroys nodes that are not controlled by juju <juju:New> <juju-core:Triaged> <maas (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1229275> | 14:37 |
| marcoceppi | hey epafrashg_ anything we can help you with? | 14:52 |
| jcastro | jamespage: sinzui: arosales: hah! 12.04.3 fresh install ... did the updates, installed the PPA, apt-get install juju-core juju-local ... | 15:48 |
| jcastro | and ... everything is working | 15:48 |
| sinzui | \o/ | 15:49 |
| mrz | arosales: more or less. i ran into a service group limitiation | 15:53 |
| arosales | mrz, ah yes that has bitten me too | 15:53 |
| mrz | the osx brew keeps bailing on me so i gave up and spun up an ubuntu instance | 15:53 |
| arosales | an HP ticket should resolve that | 15:53 |
| mrz | i have to fill out a form to get it increased | 15:54 |
| arosales | mrz, funn you mention that I was just talking to marcoceppi and sinzui about the juju osx client | 15:54 |
| arosales | mrz I have asked HP support to just give a general bump the the sec group limit | 15:54 |
| mrz | 10's small | 15:54 |
| arosales | mrz, agreed. They really didn't give me an answer. They are evaluating it for bumps across the board | 15:55 |
| mrz | i haven't played with it much but how does scaling work? is thats some hook wihtin the charm that shoves things behind ha-proxy or something? | 15:55 |
| mrz | i have access to the East coast beta but that's no better | 15:55 |
| arosales | add-unit spins up another instance and mongo keeps track of it in relation to the service | 15:56 |
| arosales | https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-scaling.html | 15:56 |
| arosales | but it doesn't go into the "how" | 15:56 |
| arosales | mrz https://juju.ubuntu.com/resources/overview/ goes into the "how" Under "Scaling services horizontally" | 15:57 |
| mrz | the example walked through adding 100 instances of mysql but it's really only magic if those are read-only slaves behind a load balancer | 15:57 |
| arosales | hazmat, marcoceppi what is the command to disable sec groups? | 15:58 |
| mrz | oh cool, i'll read that today | 15:58 |
| arosales | mrz, I think the mysql charm itself can set up a cluster with slaves | 15:58 |
| arosales | and you can add-unit behind that | 15:58 |
| mrz | but it read like it was just master/slave and not some sort of load balancing between slaves | 15:59 |
| hazmat | arosales, disable sec groups? | 16:00 |
| hazmat | arosales, oh.. firewall global mode | 16:00 |
| arosales | hazmat, thats it | 16:00 |
| arosales | hazmat, ya to get around hp sec group limits | 16:00 |
| hazmat | its an undocumented config... evilnickveitch it would be good to capture that one | 16:00 |
| gumango | atlast, Juju for Azure :D | 16:00 |
| mrz | hazmat: yes, for cases where all my stuff is behind a load balancer or just internal. | 16:00 |
| marcoceppi | hazmat: firewall-mode: global | 16:00 |
| arosales | mrz, put that into your HP stanza in environments.yaml _if_ and only if you want to side step security | 16:01 |
| arosales | ie doing some dev | 16:01 |
| hazmat | arosales, we didn't need to use it for the training.. hp up'd our limits, and we split the class across two zones. i had a nightly setup to clear out the unused groups and env resets. | 16:01 |
| arosales | hazmat, thanks | 16:01 |
| evilnickveitch | arosales, I spoke to the HP people about that, oh gosh, about 3 months ago, but they never got back to me either | 16:02 |
| arosales | evilnickveitch, ya . . | 16:02 |
| * arosales sighs | 16:02 | |
| evilnickveitch | hazmat, thanks | 16:03 |
| arosales | hazmat, good to hear for the training, but a nice option to have in your back pocket for development education purposes | 16:03 |
| hazmat | arosales, absolutely | 16:03 |
| * arosales strongly notes for education and development purposes :-) | 16:07 | |
| jcastro | arosales: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1229903/comments/3 | 16:07 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1229903: Default to local provider <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1229903> | 16:07 |
| mrz | "firewall-mode: global" does what exactly? | 16:08 |
| mrz | does it use a default group? | 16:08 |
| mrz | (it's sort of a pita to add security groups after instance creation right?) | 16:08 |
| arosales | jcastro, for completeness could you take a 12.04.0 and install saucy lxc on it and see how local provider works? | 16:08 |
| jcastro | arosales: but I'd need the kernel too? | 16:09 |
| arosales | mrz: I think it disables the use a per service sec group | 16:09 |
| jcastro | arosales: or do you mean, install .0 and then do what I recommend in the bug to confirm? | 16:09 |
| mrz | arosales: i like that. wonder what it uses then. | 16:09 |
| arosales | jcastro, the thought is with and updated lxc you wouldn't need an updated kernel | 16:10 |
| jcastro | huh | 16:10 |
| jcastro | ok | 16:10 |
| arosales | jcastro, thanks | 16:10 |
| arosales | mrz I haven't used it personally, but I am _guessing_ it reuses | 16:11 |
| arosales | marcoceppi, or hazmat may have had more actual experience. | 16:11 |
| mrz | arosales: suppose i should just try it | 16:11 |
| mrz | i don't think i've had luck using the nova client to adjust groups post instance creation | 16:12 |
| hazmat | mrz, it uses a single group and adds per machine entries to it | 16:12 |
| arosales | hp support does get back pretty fast for these types of requests | 16:12 |
| jcastro | arosales: we'd still want people on the newer kernel anyway though right? | 16:12 |
| arosales | but if you wanted to try for development purposes may be worth a shot | 16:12 |
| jcastro | I mean, if you're going to use LXC we want them on the newest kernel we can support right? | 16:12 |
| hazmat | mrz default juju would use a single group per machine | 16:12 |
| mrz | hazmat: oh. | 16:12 |
| arosales | jcastro, not necessarily | 16:12 |
| hazmat | mrz, part of this is throw back to ec2 where security group to machine is static at machine creation outside of vpc | 16:13 |
| arosales | 12.04.0 is supported and gets updates | 16:13 |
| hazmat | openstack is a bit more flexible.. and can do runtime mapping of groups to machines | 16:13 |
| arosales | jcastro, for a good user story it would be nice to not have to reboot | 16:13 |
| * jcastro nods | 16:13 | |
| arosales | but the latest kernel isn't that bad, but its an unknown what a user has tied to a kernel. I think testing and updated lxc on precise may just give us some more information to recommend. | 16:14 |
| * jcastro nods - I should have results for you in about ~30 | 16:15 | |
| mrz | "Scaling services horizontally | 16:15 |
| mrz | oops | 16:15 |
| arosales | jcastro, thanks | 16:15 |
| mrz | "Scaling services horizontally" - doesn't really tie into the next step of getting both "web servers" behind a load balancer. | 16:15 |
| mrz | i suppose that'd be another relationship to build? | 16:15 |
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| jcastro | yes | 16:15 |
| jcastro | you do ... | 16:15 |
| jcastro | juju deploy haproxy | 16:16 |
| jcastro | then `juju add-relation haproxy whateveryourservice` | 16:16 |
| jcastro | then you `juju unexpose whateveryourservice` | 16:16 |
| jcastro | and then `juju expose haproxy` | 16:16 |
| mrz | right, that totally makes sense then. | 16:16 |
| jcastro | then `juju status haproxy` to get the public IP, then update DNS | 16:16 |
| jcastro | however ... | 16:16 |
| jcastro | some charms have loadbalancing in them | 16:16 |
| jcastro | so like if you `juju add-unit wordpress` each head registers itself with the nginx load balancer on all the other heads | 16:17 |
| jcastro | so you don't need an haproxy there | 16:17 |
| jcastro | ideally a charm would have options for either way of doing it | 16:18 |
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| jcastro | mrz: hmm, maybe I should add the haproxy example to that page? | 16:20 |
| mrz | ah. i wasn't aware the wordpress charm worked like that. so in the case of wordpress, how do I figure out which IP to add to dns? | 16:20 |
| jcastro | any one of them | 16:20 |
| mrz | but then i'd need to make sure i don't destroy that instance right? | 16:21 |
| jcastro | the nodes just figure it out, it's kind of badass. | 16:21 |
| jcastro | yeah | 16:21 |
| mrz | i wonder how youi'd safe guard againts humans doing Bad Things there. | 16:21 |
| mrz | jcastro: and yeah, the ha-proxy example would be good. | 16:22 |
| mrz | you know i should hack up wordpress to use HP's cloud storage vs. nfs. | 16:22 |
| mrz | scares me to think of running nfs in the cloud like that | 16:23 |
| jcastro | half off pricing! | 16:23 |
| mrz | it's what I liked about azure (minus the pricing part). the WP Azure plugin rocked it. | 16:24 |
| mrz | i have no idea where themes ended up but largely i didn't need to care. | 16:24 |
| jcastro | marcoceppi: hey, does the mediawiki charm have the same load balancing set up as wordpress? | 16:29 |
| marcoceppi | jcastro: nope | 16:29 |
| jcastro | from looking at it I don't think it does | 16:29 |
| jcastro | hah, so the docs are totally incorrect | 16:29 |
| evilnickveitch | jcastro, erm, well, not totally. s/mediawiki/wordpress would fix them. | 16:32 |
| evilnickveitch | though it would be nice to add some hapraxy eaxample instead | 16:32 |
| jcastro | I am doing both now | 16:34 |
| jcastro | expect an MP in a few | 16:34 |
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| jcastro | evilnickveitch: https://code.launchpad.net/~jorge/juju-core/scaling-fixes/+merge/187847 | 16:43 |
| evilnickveitch | cool. i just need to make a few tweaks | 16:44 |
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| jcastro | mrz: thanks for that feedback, that was really useful! | 16:45 |
| mrz | np. | 16:45 |
| jcastro | marcoceppi: evilnickveitch: I suspect the original author mixed up wordpress and mediawiki charms | 16:48 |
| jcastro | which is like the thousanth time that's happened | 16:48 |
| evilnickveitch | jcastro, possibly, well done for spotting it though, that page has been through umpty-ump revisions and nobody noticed before | 16:49 |
| evilnickveitch | I guess because it doesn't generate an error, just doesn't work as intended | 16:51 |
| evilnickveitch | jcastro, merged | 17:09 |
| arosales | marcoceppi, sinzui: got brew to install juju | 17:17 |
| arosales | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6159550/ | 17:17 |
| arosales | marcoceppi, sinzui: I had to have xcode on 10.8 installed, and accept the license | 17:18 |
| arosales | in addition to the command line tools the brew wanted me to install | 17:18 |
| jcastro | arosales: ok so testing with just "lxc" isn't working out | 17:22 |
| jcastro | the thing is to bring it back it has deps on other things in raring | 17:22 |
| jcastro | so it wants to pull in a new libc6, etc | 17:22 |
| arosales | jcastro, I was worried about the deps :-/ | 17:28 |
| arosales | jcastro, is that dep string pretty long? | 17:28 |
| jcastro | 23 deps | 17:29 |
| arosales | marcoceppi, sinzui: I am not sure if that means for https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/pull/22772 and 1.14.1 if xcode is a dep. I couldn't get it working with out xcode. I'll post a comment | 17:29 |
| arosales | jcastro, ouch | 17:29 |
| jcastro | including some libapparmor stuff and libnih stuff that looks scary | 17:29 |
| arosales | hwe may be the way then | 17:29 |
| arosales | jcastro, thanks for investigating | 17:29 |
| arosales | jcastro, can you also add that comment to the bug? | 17:29 |
| jcastro | but the new libc6 would mean they'd have to reboot anyway, so this is actually worse than the HWE experience | 17:30 |
| jcastro | yeah | 17:30 |
| kurt_ | jamespage: will the raring version of python-quantumclient work on precise? | 17:37 |
| kurt_ | jcastro: I have openstack/juju/MAAS working fully on VMWare Fusion and Workstation now. | 17:39 |
| kurt_ | next step is building redundancy in | 17:39 |
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| sinzui | benji, gary_poster gmail + juju-gui list == war. They won't let me reply | 19:29 |
| sinzui | benji, gary_poster: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6160045/ | 19:29 |
| gary_poster | thank you very much Curtis! I'll paste that into the conversation so others can read | 19:30 |
| sinzui | I am still getting re-subscribed under an address that the two systems accept. | 19:31 |
| gary_poster | sinzui, meanwhile I told the mailing list to accept that other email forevermore. | 19:32 |
| sinzui | Thank you! | 19:32 |
| AskUbuntu | Switching Juju lxc bridge | http://askubuntu.com/q/350503 | 20:22 |
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| thumper | jcastro: ping | 22:21 |
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