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=== smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu | https://trello.com/kubuntu | Pad: http://goo.gl/It6HGW 4.11.1 S/achv R+P/bpo | bugs http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | Please test the Beta 2 images to get it out
Riddellthanks smartboyhw :)08:14
smartboyhwRiddell, I can't test today, the respin has caused Ubuntu Studio test results to be blanked till I came in:(08:15
Riddellmaybe one day I'll try out ubuntu studio, I've no idea what it's like08:16
ghostcubeubuntu studio is nice :)08:18
smartboyhwghostcube, thank you for your nice compliment:)08:19
smartboyhwRiddell, you do opt to try:P08:20
ghostcubeits the only distri for making music, that works out of the box :D08:21
apacheloggerRiddell: \o/09:28
apacheloggernetwork-manager-pptp-gnome0.9.8.2-1ubuntu109:31
apachelogger:O09:31
apacheloggeron the iso09:31
apacheloggernetwork-manager-pptp-gnome         | network-manager-pptp           | network-manager-pptp (Recommends)     | Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>               |           27714 |             15209:31
apacheloggerthat seems wrong09:31
apacheloggerRecommends: network-manager-pptp-gnome | plasma-widget-networkmanagement09:34
apacheloggerhm09:35
apacheloggerRiddell: shouldn't the networkmanagement source be dropped in favor of plasma-nm?09:35
apacheloggerand in light of that recommends wouldn't it be good if plasma-nm Provides: plasma-widget-networkmanagement?09:36
cortexA9hello09:54
cortexA9beta 2 is ok ?09:56
Riddellapachelogger: yeah we should remove it10:04
RiddellcortexA9: we don't know, we need testers10:04
cortexA9Riddell10:04
cortexA9they did a test i see10:04
Riddellupgrade works and networkmanagement gets replaced by plasma-nm but I got a crash in kded when trying to connect to network :(10:04
RiddellcortexA9: who's "they"?10:04
cortexA9jr on iso.qa10:05
cortexA9devs10:05
cortexA9or testers10:05
apacheloggeroh bummer, someone forgot to regenerate kubuntu-patched-l10n10:06
Riddellapachelogger: what's that?10:09
apacheloggerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/l10n10:09
Riddelloh the magic .po file10:09
apachelogger!find kubuntu-patched-l10n.mo10:10
ubottuPackage/file kubuntu-patched-l10n.mo does not exist in raring10:10
apacheloggeraight10:10
* Riddell adds to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BetaProcess10:10
apachelogger!find kubuntu-patched-l10n.mo saucy10:10
ubottuPackage/file kubuntu-patched-l10n.mo does not exist in saucy10:10
apacheloggerRiddell: I think you should grab pitti and get the kubuntu* translations in some language pack somewhere10:11
* apachelogger wonders how to describe headerthemeeditor -.-10:12
apachelogger  Uploading network-manager-pptp_0.9.8.2-1ubuntu2_source.changes: done.10:18
apacheloggerSuccessfully uploaded packages.10:18
apachelogger^ pptp-gnome being on the iso fixed10:19
apacheloggermeanwhile in kdepim http://paste.kde.org/p6c555ecf/10:20
Riddellgood stuff apachelogger 10:21
apacheloggertest building that now, also doing patched-l10n10:22
apacheloggerkde-workspace-kgreet-plugins       | kde-workspace                  | kde-workspace-bin                     | Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>                     |           38538 |             25410:24
apacheloggerisn't that kdm?10:25
apachelogger This package contains libraries needed for kdm and locker authentication.10:25
cortexA9i can't see it on iso.qa10:27
cortexA9Riddell10:27
smartboyhwcortexA9, refresh?10:28
smartboyhwIt *should* appear10:28
cortexA925.110:28
cortexA9smartboyhw10:28
smartboyhwcortexA9, I saw it here10:28
smartboyhwAt least, 1 hour ago-.-10:28
cortexA9ok see it smartboyhw10:29
jussido we have the pms code for kubuntu blue ??10:29
cortexA9smartboyhw no iso.. for now it's right ?10:30
smartboyhwcortexA9, no ISO?10:30
smartboyhwWhat do you mean?10:30
cortexA9yes10:30
cortexA9don't see it.10:30
cortexA9only the section on iso.qa10:30
smartboyhwcortexA9, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20130925.1/ !?10:31
cortexA9yes but talking about the 26. smartboyhw.10:31
smartboyhwcortexA9, what 26?10:32
smartboyhwThat's for the upgrades-.-10:32
cortexA92013092610:32
cortexA9oh ok10:32
smartboyhwcortexA9, that's for upgrades-.-10:32
Riddelljussi: pms code? the logo colour isn't anything so formallised, just grab the svg off KubuntuArtwork10:32
smartboyhwcortexA9, just use the image 20130925.1 to test Upgrade (image)10:32
jussiRiddell: ok10:33
Riddellsmartboyhw: I realise I have no idea if that works for kubuntu10:33
smartboyhwRiddell, heh10:33
smartboyhwFortunately, we did do some upgrade testing during 13.10 Beta 1 for studio10:33
smartboyhwSo all upgrade bugs were fixed10:34
Riddell"Select the 'Upgrade FAMILY' option" I don't remember seeing ubiquity show that10:36
RiddellI wonder if that's something that needs to be added to the kde frontend or just I've never seen it10:36
Riddelltime to investigate and find out I guess10:36
smartboyhwRiddell, yes, it's in the Trello board10:39
smartboyhwI mean, the workitem for adding it10:40
Riddellaah10:40
smartboyhwSo technically, it won't work for you guys10:40
Riddells/you/us/ :)10:40
kubotuRiddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"10:40
smartboyhwRiddell, sorry, wearing the Ubuntu Studio Release Manager hat here;P10:40
smartboyhwRiddell, you might want to create another testsuite, only put the Upgrade (internet) in it, and connect to Kubuntu upgrade product (in ISO QA Tracker)10:41
cortexA9smartboyhw why not make another testsuite for 26 ?10:42
smartboyhwcortexA9, Riddell can do it himself10:43
cortexA9ok10:43
Riddellsmartboyhw: I get so confused by the iso admin pages!10:43
smartboyhwI mean, I can make a testsuite, but I cant connect to the Upgrade Kubuntu product (don't have the necessary rights here)10:43
smartboyhwRiddell, maybe I add the testsuite for you?10:43
Riddellsmartboyhw: go ahead10:43
smartboyhwRiddell, you yourself will have to connect the products though...10:44
cortexA9why only upgrade and not a full iso ?10:45
smartboyhwcortexA9, because Kubuntu's ubiquity hasn't supported image upgrades yet (we have our own version of ubiquity, and that hasn't been implemented:()10:46
apacheloggerNo filename specified at /usr/lib/kubuntu-l10n//libexec/extractrc line 120.10:46
apacheloggerI am not sure our l10n stuff is workign correctly right now10:46
smartboyhwRiddell, please remove the original testsuite in the Upgrade Kubuntu products, and add "Kubuntu Upgrades (temporary measure until image upgrades are supported)" to the products10:48
smartboyhwdebfx, the steam in #ubuntu-release, is it the gaming stuff?11:00
debfxsmartboyhw: yes (just the launcher binary)11:00
smartboyhwdebfx, oh11:01
Riddellkde bug 325324 is interesting11:11
ubottuKDE bug 325324 in applet "Crash on upgrade from networkmanagement to plasma-nm" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32532411:11
Riddellsomething must not be being removed11:11
apacheloggerRiddell: "Probably there is still running the old kded modul." that seems very likely11:19
apacheloggerRiddell: plasma-widget-facebook is anyone even using that?11:22
Riddellapachelogger: does it even work?11:24
apacheloggerno clue11:27
Riddellapachelogger: works nicely, I use it11:30
apacheloggerdo other people use it ^^11:34
apacheloggeruploading patched-l10n11:35
apachelogger  Uploading kubuntu-patched-l10n_13.10ubuntu1_source.changes: done.11:35
apacheloggerSuccessfully uploaded packages.11:35
apacheloggerRiddell: I reckon ther is no schedule for 14.04 yet?11:39
Riddellapachelogger: not that I know of11:42
soeesomeone tested this beta 2 already ?11:42
apacheloggerhah11:43
apacheloggertrello has stickers now11:43
debfxapachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TSeries/ReleaseSchedule but it's probably not final11:44
apacheloggerthx11:44
apacheloggerjust need something to hold on to for management cards11:45
RiddellTm_Tr: are you able to test on ppc?11:45
Riddellvalorie: docs on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu11:46
Riddellapachelogger: about-system on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu11:46
Tm_TRiddell: will try when I get home11:46
apacheloggerRiddell: did you pick kubuntu-settings into beta2?11:46
apacheloggerbecause I fixed that icon there :P11:47
apacheloggerI think(tm)11:47
Riddellapachelogger: dunno see screenshot on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu#About_System ?11:47
apacheloggeryeah that's the old one11:47
apacheloggeractually instead of letting settings into beta2 you could simply redo the screenshot :P11:48
apacheloggergood stuff regardless11:48
Riddellthat screenshot is from beta 211:48
apacheloggerRiddell: yeah, it's broken, which is why I uploaded a new settings yesterday 11:48
apacheloggerthe lefthand logo should only be the circle gear thing11:48
apacheloggerothrwise it looks weird and messes with the layout11:49
apacheloggerhuh11:50
apacheloggerWednesday, December 18, 2013: KDE SC 4.12 Release11:50
apacheloggerwasn't the winter release in january?11:50
apacheloggerScottK: what happened to standing SRU exception for KDE adjacent software btw?11:51
Riddellapachelogger: shorted releases now kdelibs isn't around11:52
Riddellapachelogger: SRUs got in for stuff we asked for11:52
apacheloggercool on both accounts11:53
soeesomeone maybe knows answer for my question @ #kubuntu ?11:53
Riddellshortened releases might well clash with our release cycle at some point but we'll deal with that when it happens11:54
BluesKajHiyas all11:54
soeehi BluesKaj 11:55
BluesKajhi soee11:55
apachelogger14.04 board https://trello.com/b/s8tG9Zlf/14-0411:55
apacheloggerRiddell: https://trello.com/b/BbZZ2XXN/saucy-merges can be closed I guess?11:58
Riddellapachelogger: yes all done thanks11:58
smartboyhwRiddell, have you done the product changes in the QA Tracker?12:02
* Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/26/switching-kubuntu-comments12:03
apachelogger  Uploading kdepim_4.11.1-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done.12:03
apacheloggerSuccessfully uploaded packages.12:03
Riddell\o/12:06
Riddellsmartboyhw: waa I'm lost :(12:11
Riddellhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/365/edit12:11
RiddellEdit a testsuite - Kubuntu Upgrades (temporary measure until image upgrades are supported)12:11
smartboyhwRiddell, no need to touch the testsuite!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!12:11
smartboyhwThe products12:11
smartboyhw"Upgrade Kubuntu amd64" and "Upgrade Kubuntu i386"12:11
* apachelogger touches the testsuite12:11
smartboyhwSet these products to use the new testsuite instead of the old one12:12
Riddellsmartboyhw: how's that?12:12
* smartboyhw checks12:12
smartboyhwRiddell, good job12:13
Riddellphew12:13
RiddellI really don't understand this site, needs an E-R diagram to explain the tables12:13
BluesKajNo crashes, freezes or segfaults here yet on beta2  12:15
Riddellyay12:17
BluesKajadditional drivers is unresponsive tho12:18
sneleguys where I can get beta2 image?12:28
Riddellsnele: testing now see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/303/builds12:29
Riddellclick Kubuntu i386 or amd64 and then Link to the download information12:30
sneleRiddell: thanks. Time for testing :)12:32
BluesKajN'ot liking the muon software center much , it's not necessary in my view . Is this suppoded to make it easier to find and install apps? Either use the original muon in it's old state or just the software center , but not both , otherwise it's just plain clunky.12:37
Riddellwhat do you mean by just the software center?12:38
BluesKajRiddell:  guess I should have used it's proper name , Muon Discover12:39
ovidiu-florinHello world12:40
BluesKajthen there's Muon Package Manager12:40
* apachelogger never liked the idea of having muon package manger on the iso to begin with :P12:40
apacheloggeroverlaps with apt-get IMO12:40
apacheloggerthen again... easier to use12:41
apacheloggerstill shouldn't be on by default12:41
BluesKajpersionally i think it's going to be confusing for new users12:41
apacheloggerbut no one ver listens to me12:41
apachelogger^^12:41
apacheloggerBluesKaj: why is that?12:41
BluesKajI mostly use muon for reference , so don't really care 12:42
BluesKajapachelogger:  2 muons for one , a package manager and software center with the same functions 12:43
apacheloggerthey do not have the same functions12:44
BluesKajtransitional maybe 12:44
apacheloggerthey both can install packages12:44
apacheloggerthat's about where the similarities end12:44
BluesKajsee what i mean :)12:44
apacheloggerthat's like saying dpkg is redundant with cp12:44
BluesKajeven I'm confused12:45
BluesKaja new users isn't going to know that12:45
apacheloggera new user will find muon discover in the computer tab :P12:45
apacheloggerand there only muon discover is present12:45
BluesKajI have both in the kmenu >apps>system12:46
apacheloggeryes12:47
apacheloggerthat's not the computer tab12:47
apacheloggeranyway12:47
apacheloggermoot discussion12:47
* apachelogger thinks it shouldn't be on the ISO but simply because it caters to advanced use cases and sysadmins12:48
BluesKajyeah but the apps tab is right beside the K , it should be first if that's what nyou want users to choose first 12:48
BluesKajthe computewr tab that is12:48
BluesKaja small issue , but importanr in my view12:49
* BluesKaj searches for his glasses , again12:49
BluesKajbut that's actually a kde issue anyway 12:55
smartboyhwR.I.P Saucy Merges13:00
apacheloggeryofel: maybe just throw your create_* scripts into kubuntu-dev-tools so we can find them in 3 years again ^^13:07
Riddellbug 1204524 still exists13:19
ubottubug 1204524 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "oem temporary user not removed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120452413:19
apacheloggerohm13:20
apacheloggerRiddell: active is broken, is that known?13:20
apacheloggerplasma-dataengine-recommendations is both in contour-data and plasma-active-data13:21
apacheloggerand the so for it in contour and plasma-active13:23
apacheloggerthat nasty SendQ13:36
smartboyhwhmm13:37
markeyis an update available or planned to fix the KDE 4.11.1 bug with requiring double-click in the panel?13:53
Riddelldid that get fixed?13:54
* smartboyhw forgotten13:56
smartboyhwDid we actually patch it?13:56
* apachelogger patches markey13:58
* yofel didn't have anything about double clicks in panel13:58
yofelbut I don't use the default task manager13:58
markeyRiddell: "<rdieter> markey: that was fixed shortly after 4.11.1 was released"13:58
markeyso it's a 4.11.1 regression fixed in 4.11.2. oh well, I can wait, it's not super urgent13:59
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: regarding the UFW GUI, I've contacted the developer, but haven't gotten an answer yet. I'll wait a bit longer. If not, the software is released under GPLv3, coukld we use it, still? or better to make a new one based on the GUFW?14:03
ovidiu-florinIf he doesn't respond14:03
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: if he doesn't respond we simply fork and move upstream to kde14:04
apacheloggeralbeit that needs a dev to actually look at the existing code and decide whether it is worth forking14:04
ovidiu-florinok14:04
ovidiu-florinI'd like to be a part of that14:04
ovidiu-florinI want to learn ahow that's done14:05
ovidiu-florinI've just discovered that the #kubuntu-ro channel exists :D14:08
ovidiu-florinyeeey14:08
ovidiu-florinso that's done :D14:08
apacheloggertimezone fix incoming14:12
apachelogger  Uploading kde-workspace_4.11.1-0ubuntu5_source.changes: done.                                                                                                                               14:14
apacheloggerSuccessfully uploaded packages.    14:14
apacheloggerworksaround bug 1206199 by not using zic and deep copying the timezone file14:14
ubottubug 1206199 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "/etc/localtime incorrect link created by dateandtime kcm" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120619914:14
apacheloggerso, installing kubuntu-active on top of kubuntu-desktop is a really bad idea14:22
apacheloggerand active is borken to begin with14:23
apacheloggerfun14:23
Riddellyeah active is broken just now14:24
ovidiu-florinI've set up the IRC support on the website: http://ro.kubuntu.org/?q=IRC-test14:25
ovidiu-florinI've sent a message to the plugin developers about the possibility of getting a translation in there14:26
lordievaderGood afternoon.14:26
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snele_livesessioI am testing beta2 from usb. is this known problem (look at folderview widget):  http://www.dodaj.rs/f/29/vl/2apYbYEs/snapshot1.png15:41
Riddellsnele_livesessio: nope, I've not seen that15:44
Riddelljust on startup?15:44
snele_livesessioRiddell: yes15:44
snele_livesessioRiddell: everything seems to run fine tho15:46
Riddellsnele_livesessio: report a bug and we'll see if anyone else has the issue I guess15:46
shadeslayerRiddell: hmm, you pinged me in some context and it had pitti in the coversation15:49
shadeslayerI don't remember where15:49
shadeslayernvm15:49
shadeslayerubuntu-devel15:49
Riddellhe asked something15:49
Riddellshadeslayer: no doko asked about qtwebkit15:50
shadeslayerright15:50
shadeslayerand I tried building it without 3D and it didn't work15:50
shadeslayersome sort of linking error15:50
Riddellsince we don't care about arm now we can just force it through15:50
shadeslayerok15:51
Riddellthe current version doesn't build on arm as far as I remember anyway15:51
shadeslayeraha cool15:51
shadeslayerRiddell: hints added for britney?15:57
Riddellshadeslayer: for what?15:58
shadeslayerfor qtwebkit?15:58
Riddellshadeslayer: needs discussed with release team first15:58
shadeslayeroh okay15:58
snele_livesessio now I am pissed. first apport kde crashed. then i finished bug report and I when clicked "send" rekonq crashed so no bug report...16:11
shadeslayersnele_livesessio: rofl16:17
cortexA9hello16:23
Riddellhi cortexA9 16:28
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Peace-Riddell: wifi audio video sd reader and finally even bluetooth works out of the box here on 13.10 beta 64bit daily build17:33
Peace-this is a live cd btw17:33
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1206199] /etc/localtime incorrect link created by dateandtime kcm @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1206199 (by Leszek Lesner)17:49
lordievaderRiddell: Have you done something on the kubuntu-docs-downloader script already (to make it readable)? If not then I'll do it :)18:06
soeehmm so i want to add latest updates18:19
soeeand kubuntu-desktop package is topped 18:20
soeeis it good or bad ?18:20
ovidiu-florinwhere can I ask for a new mail list?18:23
shadeslayerprobably open a ticket somewhere?18:23
ovidiu-florinwhere?18:24
shadeslayerrt.ubuntu.com ? dunno really18:26
soeeRiddell, yesterdays fresh install with latest updates works fine for me18:59
soeedidn't test yest iso18:59
yofelsoee: "topped"?19:15
soeeyofel, stopped19:24
soeebut i did dist-upgrade and its ok19:24
yofelah ok19:24
Peace-the live cd works fine here19:27
Peace-i will try to install it 19:27
lordievaderRiddell: Cleaned up and added comments to the Docs conversion script: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oliviervdtoorn/+junk/kubuntu-docs-downloader/revision/819:29
tstoneHi, i have installed the beta stuff via modfied sources. Is this the actual beta2 stuff? If yes it eats my wireless on suspend.19:29
soeealmost finished 64 bit version installing on VM19:51
soeeRiddel 64 bit iso works fine, installed, boot, reboot on VM19:59
sneleguys muon discover is very very buggy in beta220:36
sneleon the first run it got frozen with high cpu usage and huge memory leak20:37
snelethen it crashed when searched "weather"20:37
sneleand now it crashes on startup sometimes20:37
snelecrashes at random all the time20:38
sneleclean beta2 install, 32 bit20:38
sneleno other problems to report so far :)20:39
BluesKajsnele:  what's crashing ?20:39
sneleBluesKaj: muon discover20:39
BluesKajyeah , it's not crashing here but it's rayher slow to load and seems clunky20:40
sneleBluesKaj: yes it is very slow, animations are choppy, high cpu and memory usage...20:41
sneleI have never used it untill now20:41
sneleand i am very dissapointed20:41
BluesKajI'm using muon package manager for referencing app info depends etc , and really don't have much use for the discover 20:41
sneleme too but non experienced users will use discover which is in sad state atm20:42
BluesKajyup , that's for sure 20:42
sneleit crashed again...20:43
snelegui is sometimes broken: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2p/132/SPADhNi/snapshot4.png20:50
sneleafter deleting muon_discoverrc it seems not to crash anymore20:51
sneleoverall beta2 seems to be rock solid :)20:51
soee:) works fine after 2 days spent on reinstalling and trying to run nvidia drivers ;)20:52
Riddellsnele: nudge apol with muon discover bugs21:00
sneleRiddell: ok. some of them are already on bugs.kde.org ;)21:01
snelein user manager "change password" button doesn't work21:59
sneleand this new plasma-nm always asks for wifi password on startup22:01
sneleit seems that passwords are not stored in kwallet22:01
* Riddell takes notes22:10

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