[00:06] kubotu: order bed [00:06] * kubotu is placing a cot for Quintasan in the corner of #kubuntu-devel. [06:45] good morning === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu | https://trello.com/kubuntu | Pad: http://goo.gl/It6HGW 4.11.1 S/achv R+P/bpo | bugs http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | Please test the Beta 2 images to get it out [08:14] thanks smartboyhw :) [08:15] Riddell, I can't test today, the respin has caused Ubuntu Studio test results to be blanked till I came in:( [08:16] maybe one day I'll try out ubuntu studio, I've no idea what it's like [08:18] ubuntu studio is nice :) [08:19] ghostcube, thank you for your nice compliment:) [08:20] Riddell, you do opt to try:P [08:21] its the only distri for making music, that works out of the box :D [09:28] Riddell: \o/ [09:31] network-manager-pptp-gnome 0.9.8.2-1ubuntu1 [09:31] :O [09:31] on the iso [09:31] network-manager-pptp-gnome | network-manager-pptp | network-manager-pptp (Recommends) | Ubuntu Developers | 27714 | 152 [09:31] that seems wrong [09:34] Recommends: network-manager-pptp-gnome | plasma-widget-networkmanagement [09:35] hm [09:35] Riddell: shouldn't the networkmanagement source be dropped in favor of plasma-nm? [09:36] and in light of that recommends wouldn't it be good if plasma-nm Provides: plasma-widget-networkmanagement? [09:54] hello [09:56] beta 2 is ok ? [10:04] apachelogger: yeah we should remove it [10:04] cortexA9: we don't know, we need testers [10:04] Riddell [10:04] they did a test i see [10:04] upgrade works and networkmanagement gets replaced by plasma-nm but I got a crash in kded when trying to connect to network :( [10:04] cortexA9: who's "they"? [10:05] jr on iso.qa [10:05] devs [10:05] or testers [10:06] oh bummer, someone forgot to regenerate kubuntu-patched-l10n [10:09] apachelogger: what's that? [10:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/l10n [10:09] oh the magic .po file [10:10] !find kubuntu-patched-l10n.mo [10:10] Package/file kubuntu-patched-l10n.mo does not exist in raring [10:10] aight [10:10] * Riddell adds to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BetaProcess [10:10] !find kubuntu-patched-l10n.mo saucy [10:10] Package/file kubuntu-patched-l10n.mo does not exist in saucy [10:11] Riddell: I think you should grab pitti and get the kubuntu* translations in some language pack somewhere [10:12] * apachelogger wonders how to describe headerthemeeditor -.- [10:18] Uploading network-manager-pptp_0.9.8.2-1ubuntu2_source.changes: done. [10:18] Successfully uploaded packages. [10:19] ^ pptp-gnome being on the iso fixed [10:20] meanwhile in kdepim http://paste.kde.org/p6c555ecf/ [10:21] good stuff apachelogger [10:22] test building that now, also doing patched-l10n [10:24] kde-workspace-kgreet-plugins | kde-workspace | kde-workspace-bin | Kubuntu Developers | 38538 | 254 [10:25] isn't that kdm? [10:25] This package contains libraries needed for kdm and locker authentication. [10:27] i can't see it on iso.qa [10:27] Riddell [10:28] cortexA9, refresh? [10:28] It *should* appear [10:28] 25.1 [10:28] smartboyhw [10:28] cortexA9, I saw it here [10:28] At least, 1 hour ago-.- [10:29] ok see it smartboyhw [10:29] do we have the pms code for kubuntu blue ?? [10:30] smartboyhw no iso.. for now it's right ? [10:30] cortexA9, no ISO? [10:30] What do you mean? [10:30] yes [10:30] don't see it. [10:30] only the section on iso.qa [10:31] cortexA9, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20130925.1/ !? [10:31] yes but talking about the 26. smartboyhw. [10:32] cortexA9, what 26? [10:32] That's for the upgrades-.- [10:32] 20130926 [10:32] oh ok [10:32] cortexA9, that's for upgrades-.- [10:32] jussi: pms code? the logo colour isn't anything so formallised, just grab the svg off KubuntuArtwork [10:32] cortexA9, just use the image 20130925.1 to test Upgrade (image) [10:33] Riddell: ok [10:33] smartboyhw: I realise I have no idea if that works for kubuntu [10:33] Riddell, heh [10:33] Fortunately, we did do some upgrade testing during 13.10 Beta 1 for studio [10:34] So all upgrade bugs were fixed [10:36] "Select the 'Upgrade FAMILY' option" I don't remember seeing ubiquity show that [10:36] I wonder if that's something that needs to be added to the kde frontend or just I've never seen it [10:36] time to investigate and find out I guess [10:39] Riddell, yes, it's in the Trello board [10:40] I mean, the workitem for adding it [10:40] aah [10:40] So technically, it won't work for you guys [10:40] s/you/us/ :) [10:40] Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [10:40] Riddell, sorry, wearing the Ubuntu Studio Release Manager hat here;P [10:41] Riddell, you might want to create another testsuite, only put the Upgrade (internet) in it, and connect to Kubuntu upgrade product (in ISO QA Tracker) [10:42] smartboyhw why not make another testsuite for 26 ? [10:43] cortexA9, Riddell can do it himself [10:43] ok [10:43] smartboyhw: I get so confused by the iso admin pages! [10:43] I mean, I can make a testsuite, but I cant connect to the Upgrade Kubuntu product (don't have the necessary rights here) [10:43] Riddell, maybe I add the testsuite for you? [10:43] smartboyhw: go ahead [10:44] Riddell, you yourself will have to connect the products though... [10:45] why only upgrade and not a full iso ? [10:46] cortexA9, because Kubuntu's ubiquity hasn't supported image upgrades yet (we have our own version of ubiquity, and that hasn't been implemented:() [10:46] No filename specified at /usr/lib/kubuntu-l10n//libexec/extractrc line 120. [10:46] I am not sure our l10n stuff is workign correctly right now [10:48] Riddell, please remove the original testsuite in the Upgrade Kubuntu products, and add "Kubuntu Upgrades (temporary measure until image upgrades are supported)" to the products [11:00] debfx, the steam in #ubuntu-release, is it the gaming stuff? [11:00] smartboyhw: yes (just the launcher binary) [11:01] debfx, oh [11:11] kde bug 325324 is interesting [11:11] KDE bug 325324 in applet "Crash on upgrade from networkmanagement to plasma-nm" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325324 [11:11] something must not be being removed [11:19] Riddell: "Probably there is still running the old kded modul." that seems very likely [11:22] Riddell: plasma-widget-facebook is anyone even using that? [11:24] apachelogger: does it even work? [11:27] no clue [11:30] apachelogger: works nicely, I use it [11:34] do other people use it ^^ [11:35] uploading patched-l10n [11:35] Uploading kubuntu-patched-l10n_13.10ubuntu1_source.changes: done. [11:35] Successfully uploaded packages. [11:39] Riddell: I reckon ther is no schedule for 14.04 yet? [11:42] apachelogger: not that I know of [11:42] someone tested this beta 2 already ? [11:43] hah [11:43] trello has stickers now [11:44] apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TSeries/ReleaseSchedule but it's probably not final [11:44] thx [11:45] just need something to hold on to for management cards [11:45] Tm_Tr: are you able to test on ppc? [11:46] valorie: docs on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu [11:46] apachelogger: about-system on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu [11:46] Riddell: will try when I get home [11:46] Riddell: did you pick kubuntu-settings into beta2? [11:47] because I fixed that icon there :P [11:47] I think(tm) [11:47] apachelogger: dunno see screenshot on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu#About_System ? [11:47] yeah that's the old one [11:48] actually instead of letting settings into beta2 you could simply redo the screenshot :P [11:48] good stuff regardless [11:48] that screenshot is from beta 2 [11:48] Riddell: yeah, it's broken, which is why I uploaded a new settings yesterday [11:48] the lefthand logo should only be the circle gear thing [11:49] othrwise it looks weird and messes with the layout [11:50] huh [11:50] Wednesday, December 18, 2013: KDE SC 4.12 Release [11:50] wasn't the winter release in january? [11:51] ScottK: what happened to standing SRU exception for KDE adjacent software btw? [11:52] apachelogger: shorted releases now kdelibs isn't around [11:52] apachelogger: SRUs got in for stuff we asked for [11:53] cool on both accounts [11:53] someone maybe knows answer for my question @ #kubuntu ? [11:54] shortened releases might well clash with our release cycle at some point but we'll deal with that when it happens [11:54] Hiyas all [11:55] hi BluesKaj [11:55] hi soee [11:55] 14.04 board https://trello.com/b/s8tG9Zlf/14-04 [11:58] Riddell: https://trello.com/b/BbZZ2XXN/saucy-merges can be closed I guess? [11:58] apachelogger: yes all done thanks [12:02] Riddell, have you done the product changes in the QA Tracker? [12:03] * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/26/switching-kubuntu-comments [12:03] Uploading kdepim_4.11.1-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done. [12:03] Successfully uploaded packages. [12:06] \o/ [12:11] smartboyhw: waa I'm lost :( [12:11] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/365/edit [12:11] Edit a testsuite - Kubuntu Upgrades (temporary measure until image upgrades are supported) [12:11] Riddell, no need to touch the testsuite!!!?!?!?!?!?!?! [12:11] The products [12:11] "Upgrade Kubuntu amd64" and "Upgrade Kubuntu i386" [12:11] * apachelogger touches the testsuite [12:12] Set these products to use the new testsuite instead of the old one [12:12] smartboyhw: how's that? [12:12] * smartboyhw checks [12:13] Riddell, good job [12:13] phew [12:13] I really don't understand this site, needs an E-R diagram to explain the tables [12:15] No crashes, freezes or segfaults here yet on beta2 [12:17] yay [12:18] additional drivers is unresponsive tho [12:28] guys where I can get beta2 image? [12:29] snele: testing now see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/303/builds [12:30] click Kubuntu i386 or amd64 and then Link to the download information [12:32] Riddell: thanks. Time for testing :) [12:37] N'ot liking the muon software center much , it's not necessary in my view . Is this suppoded to make it easier to find and install apps? Either use the original muon in it's old state or just the software center , but not both , otherwise it's just plain clunky. [12:38] what do you mean by just the software center? [12:39] Riddell: guess I should have used it's proper name , Muon Discover [12:40] Hello world [12:40] then there's Muon Package Manager [12:40] * apachelogger never liked the idea of having muon package manger on the iso to begin with :P [12:40] overlaps with apt-get IMO [12:41] then again... easier to use [12:41] still shouldn't be on by default [12:41] persionally i think it's going to be confusing for new users [12:41] but no one ver listens to me [12:41] ^^ [12:41] BluesKaj: why is that? [12:42] I mostly use muon for reference , so don't really care [12:43] apachelogger: 2 muons for one , a package manager and software center with the same functions [12:44] they do not have the same functions [12:44] transitional maybe [12:44] they both can install packages [12:44] that's about where the similarities end [12:44] see what i mean :) [12:44] that's like saying dpkg is redundant with cp [12:45] even I'm confused [12:45] a new users isn't going to know that [12:45] a new user will find muon discover in the computer tab :P [12:45] and there only muon discover is present [12:46] I have both in the kmenu >apps>system [12:47] yes [12:47] that's not the computer tab [12:47] anyway [12:47] moot discussion [12:48] * apachelogger thinks it shouldn't be on the ISO but simply because it caters to advanced use cases and sysadmins [12:48] yeah but the apps tab is right beside the K , it should be first if that's what nyou want users to choose first [12:48] the computewr tab that is [12:49] a small issue , but importanr in my view [12:49] * BluesKaj searches for his glasses , again [12:55] but that's actually a kde issue anyway [13:00] R.I.P Saucy Merges [13:07] yofel: maybe just throw your create_* scripts into kubuntu-dev-tools so we can find them in 3 years again ^^ [13:19] bug 1204524 still exists [13:19] bug 1204524 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "oem temporary user not removed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1204524 [13:20] ohm [13:20] Riddell: active is broken, is that known? [13:21] plasma-dataengine-recommendations is both in contour-data and plasma-active-data [13:23] and the so for it in contour and plasma-active [13:36] that nasty SendQ [13:37] hmm [13:53] is an update available or planned to fix the KDE 4.11.1 bug with requiring double-click in the panel? [13:54] did that get fixed? [13:56] * smartboyhw forgotten [13:56] Did we actually patch it? [13:58] * apachelogger patches markey [13:58] * yofel didn't have anything about double clicks in panel [13:58] but I don't use the default task manager [13:58] Riddell: " markey: that was fixed shortly after 4.11.1 was released" [13:59] so it's a 4.11.1 regression fixed in 4.11.2. oh well, I can wait, it's not super urgent [14:03] apachelogger: regarding the UFW GUI, I've contacted the developer, but haven't gotten an answer yet. I'll wait a bit longer. If not, the software is released under GPLv3, coukld we use it, still? or better to make a new one based on the GUFW? [14:03] If he doesn't respond [14:04] ovidiu-florin: if he doesn't respond we simply fork and move upstream to kde [14:04] albeit that needs a dev to actually look at the existing code and decide whether it is worth forking [14:04] ok [14:04] I'd like to be a part of that [14:05] I want to learn ahow that's done [14:08] I've just discovered that the #kubuntu-ro channel exists :D [14:08] yeeey [14:08] so that's done :D [14:12] timezone fix incoming [14:14] Uploading kde-workspace_4.11.1-0ubuntu5_source.changes: done. [14:14] Successfully uploaded packages. [14:14] worksaround bug 1206199 by not using zic and deep copying the timezone file [14:14] bug 1206199 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "/etc/localtime incorrect link created by dateandtime kcm" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206199 [14:22] so, installing kubuntu-active on top of kubuntu-desktop is a really bad idea [14:23] and active is borken to begin with [14:23] fun [14:24] yeah active is broken just now [14:25] I've set up the IRC support on the website: http://ro.kubuntu.org/?q=IRC-test [14:26] I've sent a message to the plugin developers about the possibility of getting a translation in there [14:26] Good afternoon. === kubuntu is now known as Guest27590 [15:41] I am testing beta2 from usb. is this known problem (look at folderview widget): http://www.dodaj.rs/f/29/vl/2apYbYEs/snapshot1.png [15:44] snele_livesessio: nope, I've not seen that [15:44] just on startup? [15:44] Riddell: yes [15:46] Riddell: everything seems to run fine tho [15:46] snele_livesessio: report a bug and we'll see if anyone else has the issue I guess [15:49] Riddell: hmm, you pinged me in some context and it had pitti in the coversation [15:49] I don't remember where [15:49] nvm [15:49] ubuntu-devel [15:49] he asked something [15:50] shadeslayer: no doko asked about qtwebkit [15:50] right [15:50] and I tried building it without 3D and it didn't work [15:50] some sort of linking error [15:50] since we don't care about arm now we can just force it through [15:51] ok [15:51] the current version doesn't build on arm as far as I remember anyway [15:51] aha cool [15:57] Riddell: hints added for britney? [15:58] shadeslayer: for what? [15:58] for qtwebkit? [15:58] shadeslayer: needs discussed with release team first [15:58] oh okay [16:11] now I am pissed. first apport kde crashed. then i finished bug report and I when clicked "send" rekonq crashed so no bug report... [16:17] snele_livesessio: rofl [16:23] hello [16:28] hi cortexA9 === kubuntu is now known as Guest78693 === Guest78693 is now known as Peace- [17:33] Riddell: wifi audio video sd reader and finally even bluetooth works out of the box here on 13.10 beta 64bit daily build [17:33] this is a live cd btw [17:49] ::workspace-bugs:: [1206199] /etc/localtime incorrect link created by dateandtime kcm @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1206199 (by Leszek Lesner) [18:06] Riddell: Have you done something on the kubuntu-docs-downloader script already (to make it readable)? If not then I'll do it :) [18:19] hmm so i want to add latest updates [18:20] and kubuntu-desktop package is topped [18:20] is it good or bad ? [18:23] where can I ask for a new mail list? [18:23] probably open a ticket somewhere? [18:24] where? [18:26] rt.ubuntu.com ? dunno really [18:59] Riddell, yesterdays fresh install with latest updates works fine for me [18:59] didn't test yest iso [19:15] soee: "topped"? [19:24] yofel, stopped [19:24] but i did dist-upgrade and its ok [19:24] ah ok [19:27] the live cd works fine here [19:27] i will try to install it [19:29] Riddell: Cleaned up and added comments to the Docs conversion script: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oliviervdtoorn/+junk/kubuntu-docs-downloader/revision/8 [19:29] Hi, i have installed the beta stuff via modfied sources. Is this the actual beta2 stuff? If yes it eats my wireless on suspend. [19:51] almost finished 64 bit version installing on VM [19:59] Riddel 64 bit iso works fine, installed, boot, reboot on VM [20:36] guys muon discover is very very buggy in beta2 [20:37] on the first run it got frozen with high cpu usage and huge memory leak [20:37] then it crashed when searched "weather" [20:37] and now it crashes on startup sometimes [20:38] crashes at random all the time [20:38] clean beta2 install, 32 bit [20:39] no other problems to report so far :) [20:39] snele: what's crashing ? [20:39] BluesKaj: muon discover [20:40] yeah , it's not crashing here but it's rayher slow to load and seems clunky [20:41] BluesKaj: yes it is very slow, animations are choppy, high cpu and memory usage... [20:41] I have never used it untill now [20:41] and i am very dissapointed [20:41] I'm using muon package manager for referencing app info depends etc , and really don't have much use for the discover [20:42] me too but non experienced users will use discover which is in sad state atm [20:42] yup , that's for sure [20:43] it crashed again... [20:50] gui is sometimes broken: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2p/132/SPADhNi/snapshot4.png [20:51] after deleting muon_discoverrc it seems not to crash anymore [20:51] overall beta2 seems to be rock solid :) [20:52] :) works fine after 2 days spent on reinstalling and trying to run nvidia drivers ;) [21:00] snele: nudge apol with muon discover bugs [21:01] Riddell: ok. some of them are already on bugs.kde.org ;) [21:59] in user manager "change password" button doesn't work [22:01] and this new plasma-nm always asks for wifi password on startup [22:01] it seems that passwords are not stored in kwallet [22:10] * Riddell takes notes