[00:06] <Quintasan> kubotu: order bed
[00:06]  * kubotu is placing a cot for Quintasan in the corner of #kubuntu-devel.
[06:45] <soee> good morning
[08:14] <Riddell> thanks smartboyhw :)
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I can't test today, the respin has caused Ubuntu Studio test results to be blanked till I came in:(
[08:16] <Riddell> maybe one day I'll try out ubuntu studio, I've no idea what it's like
[08:18] <ghostcube> ubuntu studio is nice :)
[08:19] <smartboyhw> ghostcube, thank you for your nice compliment:)
[08:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you do opt to try:P
[08:21] <ghostcube> its the only distri for making music, that works out of the box :D
[09:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: \o/
[09:31] <apachelogger> network-manager-pptp-gnome	0.9.8.2-1ubuntu1
[09:31] <apachelogger> :O
[09:31] <apachelogger> on the iso
[09:31] <apachelogger> network-manager-pptp-gnome         | network-manager-pptp           | network-manager-pptp (Recommends)     | Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>               |           27714 |             152
[09:31] <apachelogger> that seems wrong
[09:34] <apachelogger> Recommends: network-manager-pptp-gnome | plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[09:35] <apachelogger> hm
[09:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldn't the networkmanagement source be dropped in favor of plasma-nm?
[09:36] <apachelogger> and in light of that recommends wouldn't it be good if plasma-nm Provides: plasma-widget-networkmanagement?
[09:54] <cortexA9> hello
[09:56] <cortexA9> beta 2 is ok ?
[10:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah we should remove it
[10:04] <Riddell> cortexA9: we don't know, we need testers
[10:04] <cortexA9> Riddell
[10:04] <cortexA9> they did a test i see
[10:04] <Riddell> upgrade works and networkmanagement gets replaced by plasma-nm but I got a crash in kded when trying to connect to network :(
[10:04] <Riddell> cortexA9: who's "they"?
[10:05] <cortexA9> jr on iso.qa
[10:05] <cortexA9> devs
[10:05] <cortexA9> or testers
[10:06] <apachelogger> oh bummer, someone forgot to regenerate kubuntu-patched-l10n
[10:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's that?
[10:09] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/l10n
[10:09] <Riddell> oh the magic .po file
[10:10] <apachelogger> !find kubuntu-patched-l10n.mo
[10:10] <apachelogger> aight
[10:10]  * Riddell adds to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BetaProcess
[10:10] <apachelogger> !find kubuntu-patched-l10n.mo saucy
[10:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think you should grab pitti and get the kubuntu* translations in some language pack somewhere
[10:12]  * apachelogger wonders how to describe headerthemeeditor -.-
[10:18] <apachelogger>   Uploading network-manager-pptp_0.9.8.2-1ubuntu2_source.changes: done.
[10:18] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[10:19] <apachelogger> ^ pptp-gnome being on the iso fixed
[10:20] <apachelogger> meanwhile in kdepim http://paste.kde.org/p6c555ecf/
[10:21] <Riddell> good stuff apachelogger 
[10:22] <apachelogger> test building that now, also doing patched-l10n
[10:24] <apachelogger> kde-workspace-kgreet-plugins       | kde-workspace                  | kde-workspace-bin                     | Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>                     |           38538 |             254
[10:25] <apachelogger> isn't that kdm?
[10:25] <apachelogger>  This package contains libraries needed for kdm and locker authentication.
[10:27] <cortexA9> i can't see it on iso.qa
[10:27] <cortexA9> Riddell
[10:28] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, refresh?
[10:28] <smartboyhw> It *should* appear
[10:28] <cortexA9> 25.1
[10:28] <cortexA9> smartboyhw
[10:28] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, I saw it here
[10:28] <smartboyhw> At least, 1 hour ago-.-
[10:29] <cortexA9> ok see it smartboyhw
[10:29] <jussi> do we have the pms code for kubuntu blue ??
[10:30] <cortexA9> smartboyhw no iso.. for now it's right ?
[10:30] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, no ISO?
[10:30] <smartboyhw> What do you mean?
[10:30] <cortexA9> yes
[10:30] <cortexA9> don't see it.
[10:30] <cortexA9> only the section on iso.qa
[10:31] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20130925.1/ !?
[10:31] <cortexA9> yes but talking about the 26. smartboyhw.
[10:32] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, what 26?
[10:32] <smartboyhw> That's for the upgrades-.-
[10:32] <cortexA9> 20130926
[10:32] <cortexA9> oh ok
[10:32] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, that's for upgrades-.-
[10:32] <Riddell> jussi: pms code? the logo colour isn't anything so formallised, just grab the svg off KubuntuArtwork
[10:32] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, just use the image 20130925.1 to test Upgrade (image)
[10:33] <jussi> Riddell: ok
[10:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I realise I have no idea if that works for kubuntu
[10:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, heh
[10:33] <smartboyhw> Fortunately, we did do some upgrade testing during 13.10 Beta 1 for studio
[10:34] <smartboyhw> So all upgrade bugs were fixed
[10:36] <Riddell> "Select the 'Upgrade FAMILY' option" I don't remember seeing ubiquity show that
[10:36] <Riddell> I wonder if that's something that needs to be added to the kde frontend or just I've never seen it
[10:36] <Riddell> time to investigate and find out I guess
[10:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes, it's in the Trello board
[10:40] <smartboyhw> I mean, the workitem for adding it
[10:40] <Riddell> aah
[10:40] <smartboyhw> So technically, it won't work for you guys
[10:40] <Riddell> s/you/us/ :)
[10:40] <kubotu> Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[10:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sorry, wearing the Ubuntu Studio Release Manager hat here;P
[10:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you might want to create another testsuite, only put the Upgrade (internet) in it, and connect to Kubuntu upgrade product (in ISO QA Tracker)
[10:42] <cortexA9> smartboyhw why not make another testsuite for 26 ?
[10:43] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, Riddell can do it himself
[10:43] <cortexA9> ok
[10:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I get so confused by the iso admin pages!
[10:43] <smartboyhw> I mean, I can make a testsuite, but I cant connect to the Upgrade Kubuntu product (don't have the necessary rights here)
[10:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, maybe I add the testsuite for you?
[10:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: go ahead
[10:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you yourself will have to connect the products though...
[10:45] <cortexA9> why only upgrade and not a full iso ?
[10:46] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, because Kubuntu's ubiquity hasn't supported image upgrades yet (we have our own version of ubiquity, and that hasn't been implemented:()
[10:46] <apachelogger> No filename specified at /usr/lib/kubuntu-l10n//libexec/extractrc line 120.
[10:46] <apachelogger> I am not sure our l10n stuff is workign correctly right now
[10:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, please remove the original testsuite in the Upgrade Kubuntu products, and add "Kubuntu Upgrades (temporary measure until image upgrades are supported)" to the products
[11:00] <smartboyhw> debfx, the steam in #ubuntu-release, is it the gaming stuff?
[11:00] <debfx> smartboyhw: yes (just the launcher binary)
[11:01] <smartboyhw> debfx, oh
[11:11] <Riddell> kde bug 325324 is interesting
[11:11] <Riddell> something must not be being removed
[11:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: "Probably there is still running the old kded modul." that seems very likely
[11:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: plasma-widget-facebook is anyone even using that?
[11:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: does it even work?
[11:27] <apachelogger> no clue
[11:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: works nicely, I use it
[11:34] <apachelogger> do other people use it ^^
[11:35] <apachelogger> uploading patched-l10n
[11:35] <apachelogger>   Uploading kubuntu-patched-l10n_13.10ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[11:35] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[11:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: I reckon ther is no schedule for 14.04 yet?
[11:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: not that I know of
[11:42] <soee> someone tested this beta 2 already ?
[11:43] <apachelogger> hah
[11:43] <apachelogger> trello has stickers now
[11:44] <debfx> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TSeries/ReleaseSchedule but it's probably not final
[11:44] <apachelogger> thx
[11:45] <apachelogger> just need something to hold on to for management cards
[11:45] <Riddell> Tm_Tr: are you able to test on ppc?
[11:46] <Riddell> valorie: docs on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu
[11:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: about-system on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu
[11:46] <Tm_T> Riddell: will try when I get home
[11:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you pick kubuntu-settings into beta2?
[11:47] <apachelogger> because I fixed that icon there :P
[11:47] <apachelogger> I think(tm)
[11:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: dunno see screenshot on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu#About_System ?
[11:47] <apachelogger> yeah that's the old one
[11:48] <apachelogger> actually instead of letting settings into beta2 you could simply redo the screenshot :P
[11:48] <apachelogger> good stuff regardless
[11:48] <Riddell> that screenshot is from beta 2
[11:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, it's broken, which is why I uploaded a new settings yesterday 
[11:48] <apachelogger> the lefthand logo should only be the circle gear thing
[11:49] <apachelogger> othrwise it looks weird and messes with the layout
[11:50] <apachelogger> huh
[11:50] <apachelogger> Wednesday, December 18, 2013: KDE SC 4.12 Release
[11:50] <apachelogger> wasn't the winter release in january?
[11:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: what happened to standing SRU exception for KDE adjacent software btw?
[11:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: shorted releases now kdelibs isn't around
[11:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: SRUs got in for stuff we asked for
[11:53] <apachelogger> cool on both accounts
[11:53] <soee> someone maybe knows answer for my question @ #kubuntu ?
[11:54] <Riddell> shortened releases might well clash with our release cycle at some point but we'll deal with that when it happens
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:55] <soee> hi BluesKaj 
[11:55] <BluesKaj> hi soee
[11:55] <apachelogger> 14.04 board https://trello.com/b/s8tG9Zlf/14-04
[11:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://trello.com/b/BbZZ2XXN/saucy-merges can be closed I guess?
[11:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes all done thanks
[12:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, have you done the product changes in the QA Tracker?
[12:03]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/26/switching-kubuntu-comments
[12:03] <apachelogger>   Uploading kdepim_4.11.1-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done.
[12:03] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:06] <Riddell> \o/
[12:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: waa I'm lost :(
[12:11] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/365/edit
[12:11] <Riddell> Edit a testsuite - Kubuntu Upgrades (temporary measure until image upgrades are supported)
[12:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no need to touch the testsuite!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[12:11] <smartboyhw> The products
[12:11] <smartboyhw> "Upgrade Kubuntu amd64" and "Upgrade Kubuntu i386"
[12:11]  * apachelogger touches the testsuite
[12:12] <smartboyhw> Set these products to use the new testsuite instead of the old one
[12:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: how's that?
[12:12]  * smartboyhw checks
[12:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, good job
[12:13] <Riddell> phew
[12:13] <Riddell> I really don't understand this site, needs an E-R diagram to explain the tables
[12:15] <BluesKaj> No crashes, freezes or segfaults here yet on beta2  
[12:17] <Riddell> yay
[12:18] <BluesKaj> additional drivers is unresponsive tho
[12:28] <snele> guys where I can get beta2 image?
[12:29] <Riddell> snele: testing now see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/303/builds
[12:30] <Riddell> click Kubuntu i386 or amd64 and then Link to the download information
[12:32] <snele> Riddell: thanks. Time for testing :)
[12:37] <BluesKaj> N'ot liking the muon software center much , it's not necessary in my view . Is this suppoded to make it easier to find and install apps? Either use the original muon in it's old state or just the software center , but not both , otherwise it's just plain clunky.
[12:38] <Riddell> what do you mean by just the software center?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  guess I should have used it's proper name , Muon Discover
[12:40] <ovidiu-florin> Hello world
[12:40] <BluesKaj> then there's Muon Package Manager
[12:40]  * apachelogger never liked the idea of having muon package manger on the iso to begin with :P
[12:40] <apachelogger> overlaps with apt-get IMO
[12:41] <apachelogger> then again... easier to use
[12:41] <apachelogger> still shouldn't be on by default
[12:41] <BluesKaj> persionally i think it's going to be confusing for new users
[12:41] <apachelogger> but no one ver listens to me
[12:41] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:41] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: why is that?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> I mostly use muon for reference , so don't really care 
[12:43] <BluesKaj> apachelogger:  2 muons for one , a package manager and software center with the same functions 
[12:44] <apachelogger> they do not have the same functions
[12:44] <BluesKaj> transitional maybe 
[12:44] <apachelogger> they both can install packages
[12:44] <apachelogger> that's about where the similarities end
[12:44] <BluesKaj> see what i mean :)
[12:44] <apachelogger> that's like saying dpkg is redundant with cp
[12:45] <BluesKaj> even I'm confused
[12:45] <BluesKaj> a new users isn't going to know that
[12:45] <apachelogger> a new user will find muon discover in the computer tab :P
[12:45] <apachelogger> and there only muon discover is present
[12:46] <BluesKaj> I have both in the kmenu >apps>system
[12:47] <apachelogger> yes
[12:47] <apachelogger> that's not the computer tab
[12:47] <apachelogger> anyway
[12:47] <apachelogger> moot discussion
[12:48]  * apachelogger thinks it shouldn't be on the ISO but simply because it caters to advanced use cases and sysadmins
[12:48] <BluesKaj> yeah but the apps tab is right beside the K , it should be first if that's what nyou want users to choose first 
[12:48] <BluesKaj> the computewr tab that is
[12:49] <BluesKaj> a small issue , but importanr in my view
[12:49]  * BluesKaj searches for his glasses , again
[12:55] <BluesKaj> but that's actually a kde issue anyway 
[13:00] <smartboyhw> R.I.P Saucy Merges
[13:07] <apachelogger> yofel: maybe just throw your create_* scripts into kubuntu-dev-tools so we can find them in 3 years again ^^
[13:19] <Riddell> bug 1204524 still exists
[13:20] <apachelogger> ohm
[13:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: active is broken, is that known?
[13:21] <apachelogger> plasma-dataengine-recommendations is both in contour-data and plasma-active-data
[13:23] <apachelogger> and the so for it in contour and plasma-active
[13:36] <apachelogger> that nasty SendQ
[13:37] <smartboyhw> hmm
[13:53] <markey> is an update available or planned to fix the KDE 4.11.1 bug with requiring double-click in the panel?
[13:54] <Riddell> did that get fixed?
[13:56]  * smartboyhw forgotten
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Did we actually patch it?
[13:58]  * apachelogger patches markey
[13:58]  * yofel didn't have anything about double clicks in panel
[13:58] <yofel> but I don't use the default task manager
[13:58] <markey> Riddell: "<rdieter> markey: that was fixed shortly after 4.11.1 was released"
[13:59] <markey> so it's a 4.11.1 regression fixed in 4.11.2. oh well, I can wait, it's not super urgent
[14:03] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: regarding the UFW GUI, I've contacted the developer, but haven't gotten an answer yet. I'll wait a bit longer. If not, the software is released under GPLv3, coukld we use it, still? or better to make a new one based on the GUFW?
[14:03] <ovidiu-florin> If he doesn't respond
[14:04] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: if he doesn't respond we simply fork and move upstream to kde
[14:04] <apachelogger> albeit that needs a dev to actually look at the existing code and decide whether it is worth forking
[14:04] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[14:04] <ovidiu-florin> I'd like to be a part of that
[14:05] <ovidiu-florin> I want to learn ahow that's done
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> I've just discovered that the #kubuntu-ro channel exists :D
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> so that's done :D
[14:12] <apachelogger> timezone fix incoming
[14:14] <apachelogger>   Uploading kde-workspace_4.11.1-0ubuntu5_source.changes: done.                                                                                                                               
[14:14] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.    
[14:14] <apachelogger> worksaround bug 1206199 by not using zic and deep copying the timezone file
[14:22] <apachelogger> so, installing kubuntu-active on top of kubuntu-desktop is a really bad idea
[14:23] <apachelogger> and active is borken to begin with
[14:23] <apachelogger> fun
[14:24] <Riddell> yeah active is broken just now
[14:25] <ovidiu-florin> I've set up the IRC support on the website: http://ro.kubuntu.org/?q=IRC-test
[14:26] <ovidiu-florin> I've sent a message to the plugin developers about the possibility of getting a translation in there
[14:26] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:41] <snele_livesessio> I am testing beta2 from usb. is this known problem (look at folderview widget):  http://www.dodaj.rs/f/29/vl/2apYbYEs/snapshot1.png
[15:44] <Riddell> snele_livesessio: nope, I've not seen that
[15:44] <Riddell> just on startup?
[15:44] <snele_livesessio> Riddell: yes
[15:46] <snele_livesessio> Riddell: everything seems to run fine tho
[15:46] <Riddell> snele_livesessio: report a bug and we'll see if anyone else has the issue I guess
[15:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm, you pinged me in some context and it had pitti in the coversation
[15:49] <shadeslayer> I don't remember where
[15:49] <shadeslayer> nvm
[15:49] <shadeslayer> ubuntu-devel
[15:49] <Riddell> he asked something
[15:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no doko asked about qtwebkit
[15:50] <shadeslayer> right
[15:50] <shadeslayer> and I tried building it without 3D and it didn't work
[15:50] <shadeslayer> some sort of linking error
[15:50] <Riddell> since we don't care about arm now we can just force it through
[15:51] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:51] <Riddell> the current version doesn't build on arm as far as I remember anyway
[15:51] <shadeslayer> aha cool
[15:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hints added for britney?
[15:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: for what?
[15:58] <shadeslayer> for qtwebkit?
[15:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: needs discussed with release team first
[15:58] <shadeslayer> oh okay
[16:11] <snele_livesessio>  now I am pissed. first apport kde crashed. then i finished bug report and I when clicked "send" rekonq crashed so no bug report...
[16:17] <shadeslayer> snele_livesessio: rofl
[16:23] <cortexA9> hello
[16:28] <Riddell> hi cortexA9 
[17:33] <Peace-> Riddell: wifi audio video sd reader and finally even bluetooth works out of the box here on 13.10 beta 64bit daily build
[17:33] <Peace-> this is a live cd btw
[17:49] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1206199] /etc/localtime incorrect link created by dateandtime kcm @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1206199 (by Leszek Lesner)
[18:06] <lordievader> Riddell: Have you done something on the kubuntu-docs-downloader script already (to make it readable)? If not then I'll do it :)
[18:19] <soee> hmm so i want to add latest updates
[18:20] <soee> and kubuntu-desktop package is topped 
[18:20] <soee> is it good or bad ?
[18:23] <ovidiu-florin> where can I ask for a new mail list?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> probably open a ticket somewhere?
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> where?
[18:26] <shadeslayer> rt.ubuntu.com ? dunno really
[18:59] <soee> Riddell, yesterdays fresh install with latest updates works fine for me
[18:59] <soee> didn't test yest iso
[19:15] <yofel> soee: "topped"?
[19:24] <soee> yofel, stopped
[19:24] <soee> but i did dist-upgrade and its ok
[19:24] <yofel> ah ok
[19:27] <Peace-> the live cd works fine here
[19:27] <Peace-> i will try to install it 
[19:29] <lordievader> Riddell: Cleaned up and added comments to the Docs conversion script: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oliviervdtoorn/+junk/kubuntu-docs-downloader/revision/8
[19:29] <tstone> Hi, i have installed the beta stuff via modfied sources. Is this the actual beta2 stuff? If yes it eats my wireless on suspend.
[19:51] <soee> almost finished 64 bit version installing on VM
[19:59] <soee> Riddel 64 bit iso works fine, installed, boot, reboot on VM
[20:36] <snele> guys muon discover is very very buggy in beta2
[20:37] <snele> on the first run it got frozen with high cpu usage and huge memory leak
[20:37] <snele> then it crashed when searched "weather"
[20:37] <snele> and now it crashes on startup sometimes
[20:38] <snele> crashes at random all the time
[20:38] <snele> clean beta2 install, 32 bit
[20:39] <snele> no other problems to report so far :)
[20:39] <BluesKaj> snele:  what's crashing ?
[20:39] <snele> BluesKaj: muon discover
[20:40] <BluesKaj> yeah , it's not crashing here but it's rayher slow to load and seems clunky
[20:41] <snele> BluesKaj: yes it is very slow, animations are choppy, high cpu and memory usage...
[20:41] <snele> I have never used it untill now
[20:41] <snele> and i am very dissapointed
[20:41] <BluesKaj> I'm using muon package manager for referencing app info depends etc , and really don't have much use for the discover 
[20:42] <snele> me too but non experienced users will use discover which is in sad state atm
[20:42] <BluesKaj> yup , that's for sure 
[20:43] <snele> it crashed again...
[20:50] <snele> gui is sometimes broken: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2p/132/SPADhNi/snapshot4.png
[20:51] <snele> after deleting muon_discoverrc it seems not to crash anymore
[20:51] <snele> overall beta2 seems to be rock solid :)
[20:52] <soee> :) works fine after 2 days spent on reinstalling and trying to run nvidia drivers ;)
[21:00] <Riddell> snele: nudge apol with muon discover bugs
[21:01] <snele> Riddell: ok. some of them are already on bugs.kde.org ;)
[21:59] <snele> in user manager "change password" button doesn't work
[22:01] <snele> and this new plasma-nm always asks for wifi password on startup
[22:01] <snele> it seems that passwords are not stored in kwallet
[22:10]  * Riddell takes notes