/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/26/#ubuntu-desktop.txt

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Mirvrobru: FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/libfriends/+bug/123126005:23
robruMirv, I think it's an infrastructural problem? I have no idea what could possibly be causing that. i haven't been able to reproduce the issue locally. can you poke at it a little bit today?05:26
pittiGood morning05:29
robrupitti, morning!05:29
Mirvrobru: it only happens with libfriends, but libfriends itself hasn't had commits so no idea where it could come from. I'll update the bug anyhow to reflect the fact.05:31
Mirvrobru: I wonder if it's anything like tests using network or such..05:32
pittihey robru, how are you?05:32
Mirvrobru: the webops already gave process list on a hanging machine https://pastebin.canonical.com/98017/plain/05:32
jibelGood morning05:32
robrupitti, alright... woke up feeling quite groggy but much better now. and you?05:32
pittirobru: quite okay; first Taekwondo training yesterday after three weeks (QA sprint/plumbers), so feeling a bit "ouch", too :)05:34
robrupitti, hah, nice05:34
robruMirv, yeah, i don't really understand it. it uses 'live' dbus but all dbus services are mocked heavily, so there should be no network traffic happening or anything like that. I'm EOD but I'll check that process list a bit more closely tomorrow05:35
Mirvrobru: yeah, I'll at least see that cu2d doesn't get stalled. thanks.05:35
robrupitti, Mirv ok, g'night ;-)05:36
Mirvrobru: good night!05:36
Mirvpitti: packaging changes ack! http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6157465/ - it's a more fine grained .install file that would fail on --fail-missing more often, since now there was a bug where Pickers/ were omitted05:37
pittiMirv: why does it need to enumerate all individual files now?05:40
pittiMirv: do some of these files go into different binary packages?05:40
Mirvpitti: I guess they want to prevent similar thing from happening in the future - ie. they make a typo in some of the makefiles, something stops from being installed but dh --fail-missing doesn't catch it since there's /* used05:46
Mirvpitti: no, they same in the same package05:46
pittiMirv: hmm; that seems a bit dubious to me, as it makes maintenance unnecessarily harder in the normal case05:47
pittiand this only guards against "lucky" typos, if you typo file names etc. it won't help05:47
pittithere's (binary) debdiff and autopkgtests to guard against those05:47
pittiMirv: so, not a fan, and it's not common packaging practice, and I don't see it actually helping much05:48
Mirvpitti: right, I suggested the sdk team already to add after-packaging tests to check various contents05:48
pittiwell, one would hope that they actually *test* their packages before a MP?05:48
Mirvpitti: yes, that has been a popular topic in the past weeks, testing and how it should/could be done05:49
Mirvall autopilot tests passed on both it and various apps, since no-one uses the component that went missing yet05:50
pittiLaney: not updating gobject-introspection in Debian yet, as it should go together with glib 2.38; will that go to unstable soon? (anything which is known not to be backwards compatible with GNOME 3.8 components?)05:53
pittiI'm not aware of any compatibility breakers05:53
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MirvI filed now a bug against ubuntu-ui-toolkit for them to add some sort of autopkgtest to test the contained components05:56
Laneypitti: not that I know of, just didn't want to get in the way08:03
Laneypitti: oh, wait, there were some build failures08:04
Laneyp.s. morning08:04
seb128good morning desktopers08:05
didrockshey Laney, seb12808:05
seb128hey didrocks Laney pitti08:05
pittibonjour seb128 et didrocks, comment allez-vous ?08:06
Laneypitti: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=glib2.0&suite=experimental (ignore ppc)08:06
Laneyhello seb128 didrocks!08:06
didrockspitti: bien occupé, mais ça va, et toi?08:06
seb128pitti, je vais bien, merci, et toi ?08:06
pittioh argh08:06
Laneyich habe keine ahnung08:06
pittije vais bien, merci ! j'ai les muscles endolores après le premier Taekwondo hier, mais c'est bien :)08:07
seb128pitti, c'était la rentrée ?08:07
* seb128 needs to figure out what to do as exercice this season08:08
pittiseb128: non, je suis de retour :)08:08
Laneyalways climbing08:08
seb128pitti, ah ok ;-)08:08
pittiseb128: J'aime le badminton aussi08:08
seb128oui, c'est bien comme sport08:09
seb128Laney, I never tried climbing, sound like it could be fun, though I fear it wouldn't move enough to my taste08:09
* seb128 is pondering tennis08:10
seb128or going back swimming08:10
Laneyah, it's not really like those I guess08:10
Laneymight bring my shoes and go in Oak08:11
Laneyhttp://www.touchstoneclimbing.com/gwpower-co/tour08:11
pittiah, messieurs iront à Oakland pour le sprint ?08:12
seb128oui08:13
seb128pitti, tu vas nous manquer08:13
czajkowskialoha08:14
seb128czajkowski, howdy08:14
seb128how are you today?08:14
pittiseb128: Julien me demande, mais c'est trop de voyage08:14
pittiseb128: and we already have something planned for the long weekend at that time08:14
seb128ok08:15
seb128next time I guess08:15
seb128pitti, I'm going to see you next w.e anyway ;-)08:15
pittiseb128: oui !08:15
czajkowskiseb128: not bad it's raining over here in Dublin so feel at home :)08:15
seb128lol08:15
Laneyseb128: feel free to self approve pot updates IMO09:26
seb128Laney, good point, thanks ;-)09:26
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LaneySomeone try this please09:56
LaneyOpen nautilus, navigate to /usr/share/backgrounds09:56
Laneycrashes here (with all the wallpaper packages installed)09:56
seb128Laney, wfm, but I don't have all the wallpaper packages installed09:56
seb128e.g I only have the saucy set09:56
Laneyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/123135209:57
ubot2`Laney: Error: launchpad bug 1231352 not found09:57
Laneyonce retraced etc09:57
seb128k09:57
* seb128 looks at e.u.c09:57
seb128didn't open that for a while09:57
Laneysomehow that still feels like a black hole to me09:58
seb128how so?09:58
Laneylaunchpad bugs seem more useful / more likely to get fixed09:58
Laneyprobably just me09:58
seb128they are more useful09:58
seb128but e.u.c helps to estimate what issues are more frequent than others09:58
seb128e.g where to start09:59
LaneyHmm10:09
Laneycan't pick a background10:09
Laneywell, can pick it, doesn't get applied10:09
seb128Laney, on the device or on the desktop? it works for me on the device with 64 (yesterday's image) ... I just upgraded, let me try with 6510:11
Laneydevice10:11
LaneyI don't see in the code where it's updated10:11
seb128for me it gets applied to the lock screen/greeter and to the background10:11
Laneyphablet@ubuntu-phablet:/usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/background$ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri10:12
Laney'file:///usr/share/themes/Adwaita/backgrounds/adwaita-timed.xml'10:12
seb128shrug, doesn't work today10:12
seb128Laney, we got http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/revision/372 in recently, not sure if that's creating issues10:13
* seb128 tries a revert10:14
Laneywell, nothing sets pictureUri on the background gsettings object10:14
Laneyso I don't know how it could have ever worked10:14
Laney(never tried before on a device)10:14
seb128Laney, calling me a liar? ;-)10:15
Laneywait10:15
LaneyI found it10:15
seb128it was working yesterday for me10:15
Laneythere's a hidden Connections10:15
seb128I've a custom background on the device atm10:15
Laneyno, trying to debug :P10:15
seb128Laney, downgrading content-hub fixes it10:19
seb128KENNNNN10:19
Laneyhaha10:19
Laneyjust as he sneaks away10:19
Laneyeven with the u-s-s change?10:19
seb128yes10:20
seb128I'm running u-s-s trunk10:20
Laneyi seoke10:20
Laneyerm10:20
Laneythat's either "i see" or "ok"10:21
Laneyseb128: I guess check with gusch10:21
seb128lol10:22
seb128yeah10:22
seb128Laney, pitti: is there anything blocking to land the systemd side of the fixes for the tz-/etc-ro issue?10:25
pittiseb128: it seems this balloned from "teach timedated to get along with that" to "completely change how we handle /etc" :(10:26
Laneyyeah I'm not sure how it got blocked :-/10:26
pittiseb128: so now I'm faced with "rewrite initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch for the new method" or "don't use /etc/writable/, but a specific /etc/time-writable/ directory" to avoid the above10:26
pittibut the latter has the disadvantage that we'll almost surely need this approach for other files in /etc/ as well10:27
pittithis "mount individual files" approach is inherently mis-designed10:27
seb128right10:27
pittibut we don't seem to have any way to clean up mistakes there in upgrades10:27
seb128we are not going to get to a clean solution for v1 anyway10:27
seb128oh, right, upgrades :-(10:27
pitti(like, the addition of mounts for /etc/timezone and friends, which got rejected in MP but uploaded anyway)10:28
pittiso, this is a bit of a 'orrible mess10:28
pittiso, if this is OMGurgent, I can change the patches for only putting the timezone files into /etc/time-writable/, and aggravate the upgrade problem in the future10:29
pittias realistically I won't have time to understand and change the full initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch code10:29
seb128pitti, it's not super urgent, but having it fixed this week or early next week would be nice10:31
seb128pitti, I can try to talk to slangasek to see if they can help/do the initramfs side10:32
pittithat would help, yes10:32
pittias a fallback I can do the "use specific directory"10:32
Laneythen a side-migration from this to the final area :-/10:35
seb128pitti, ok, thanks, I'm going to talk with Steve when he gets online ... do we have a summary somewhere, of what we need from them?10:35
pittiseb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch/+bug/1227520/comments/2310:36
seb128pitti, danke10:36
seb128Laney, do you get that nautilus segfault every time you enter /usr/share/backgrounds?10:46
seb128Laney, oh, the second seems different ... if you copy /usr/share/backgrounds/edubuntu_default.png somewhere else, do you hit the bug as well?10:47
LaneyI found some comments that it was due to nautilus-dropbox10:47
Laneyso I removed that and now it seems I can enter it on the laptop10:47
seb128do you use that?10:47
Laneythe second crash I reported was from the other machine which I don't think has it10:47
* Laney checks10:47
seb128Laney, the second one seems to not like the edubuntu image, let me try to get that one here10:48
Laneyyeah10:48
LaneyI guess the first one is invalid10:48
* Laney does that10:48
seb128Laney, the first one is a dup of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/119352210:49
Laneyyeah, found that one10:49
Laneythat's what gave me the clue10:49
seb128darkxst said by then that dropbox needs to be rebuilt with the new gtk, I don't get why10:49
seb128that would suggest gtk 3.8 is abi incompatible with 3.610:50
LaneyI installed dropbox from the repo and it works now10:50
seb128well, anyway, I pinged jcastro about it a few weeks ago to know if he had some contact at dropbox to ask them to rebuild it/have a look10:50
Laneyprobably the official binary does something weird10:50
seb128he said he was going to send an email10:50
seb128but I didn't check what happened since I'm back10:50
seb128jcastro, ^ did you get any reply?10:51
seb128Laney, I'm pondering making nautilus conflicts with their dropbox package10:51
Laneyjust putting edubuntu_default in its own directory is enough to make nautilus segfault here10:52
Laneywtf it's 0 bytes10:53
highvoltageweird10:53
seb128Laney, it's a symlink10:53
Laneyah yes I copied it10:53
Laneyno10:54
Laneythe png isn't a symlink10:54
Laneydpkg doesn't know about it, did I break that?10:54
seb128edubuntu_default.jpg -> Mr._Tau_and_The_Tree_-_by_TJ.jpg10:54
seb128here10:54
Laneycrash is in .png though10:54
seb128ubuntu-wallpapers-saucy: /usr/share/backgrounds/Mr._Tau_and_The_Tree_-_by_TJ.jpg10:54
seb128weird10:55
Laneyso10:55
Laneymkdir ~/foo; cd ~/foo; touch empty.png; nautilus .10:55
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seb128Laney, sorry, lunch got ready, I was eating ... doing that "touch empty.png; nautilus ." works without segfault here11:24
Laneynp, it works on my laptop too11:24
seb128weird11:24
seb128is your laptop the same arch that the box that has the issue?11:24
Laneyyep11:24
ricotzseb128, Laney, hi :)11:24
ricotzseb128, do you have a moment?11:24
seb128ricotz, hey, how are you?11:24
seb128ricotz, sure11:24
LaneyIt has new glib but I put that on the laptop and it didn't break there11:24
ricotzseb128, i am fine ;), you?11:25
ricotzseb128, could you take a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/packages/tracker/11:25
Laneyduring that I got https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/121941411:25
Laneybugs bugs bugs11:25
ricotzseb128, 0.16.2 includes serious fixes11:25
dpmseb128, Laney, how do you update the .pot file in the settings app's sources?11:26
Laneymanually11:26
seb128dpm, cd po; qmake .; make pot11:26
dpmah, cool11:26
dpmthanks guys11:26
seb128yw11:26
seb128why?11:26
seb128dpm, I updated it in trunk this morning11:26
dpmseb128, I saw this one, and I thought I'd send a quick fix, but I want to check that the comment is indeed picked up in the .pot file -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/121034111:27
seb128dpm, they are not (if I didn't try the wrong format by then)11:27
seb128dpm, I tried that before11:28
seb128dpm, well, let me know how it goes11:28
seb128Laney, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/151515768/Stacktrace.txt is a bit weird11:29
dpmwe managed to do it for core apps, let me see if I can do the same for settings11:29
seb128Laney, it starts with a python function, I wonder if you have a nautilus-python user installed/creating the issue11:29
seb128dpm, that would be great, thanks ;-)11:29
Laneyseb128: Yeah removing python-nautilus makes it go away11:31
seb128ricotz, do you have a bug report/sponsor subscribed? I'm going to try to have a look today, but it would be easier to not forget if it was in the sponsoring queue11:31
Laneynot sure why that was installed11:31
LaneyU1?11:31
seb128I don't think so11:31
seb128I think their nautilus code is C11:31
seb128Laney, can you reassign the bug to nautilus-python? (sorry, I closed the tab and I'm lazy to look for the number again)11:32
dpmseb128, ok, it works, but it doesn't just pick any comment automatically. Since we're invoking xgettext with --add-comments=TRANSLATORS, comments need to contain TRANSLATORS to be put in the .pot file.11:32
ricotzseb128, no, didnt make a bug for it yet, will make one -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grilo/+bug/1227630 is similar11:32
seb128ok11:33
seb128ricotz, looking to the news of this one, you probably need a ffe11:34
seb128refactoring of libs is not bug fix11:34
seb128sil2100, Mirv: ^ you might want to look at/comment/ack or not the grilo update as well, I think you are the ones that looked the most at this stack this cycle11:35
seb128dpm, oh ok, so it needs e.g TRANSLATORS: that's a nice once11:36
seb128one11:36
seb128dpm, that makes sense ;-)11:37
dpmseb128, yeah, this way xgettext doesn't just pick any random comment on top of a translatable message. https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-1210341/+merge/18773611:39
ricotzseb128, hmm, i see11:39
seb128Laney, do you have any hint on testing that polkit works as it should?11:45
seb128Laney, with the new lightdm I get a seat assigned11:45
seb128e.g11:45
seb128# loginctl11:45
seb128   SESSION        UID USER             SEAT11:45
seb128        c1      32011 phablet          seat011:45
seb128but the settings still don't work :/11:45
Laneytry the dbus calls11:46
seb128Laney, I tried to dbus-monitor [--system] but I don't see anything happening in there11:49
Laneypkcheck --action-id org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-time --process $$; echo $?11:50
Laneytry that from a terminal on the device11:50
desrtsaluton kunlaborantoj!11:51
Laneyhrm, I don't have the terminal app any more and the search doesn't let me install it11:51
Laneyoh, lies11:51
LaneyI just had to go to the application lens11:51
Laneygreetings desrt11:51
desrtLaney: manage to wrap your mind around cancellable?11:51
seb128Laney,11:52
seb128$ pkcheck --action-id org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-time --process $$; echo $?11:52
seb128polkit\56retains_authorization_after_challenge=111:52
seb128Authorization requires authentication and -u wasn't passed.11:52
seb128211:52
Laneythink so, charles didn't complain too much11:52
seb128desrt, salut ;-)11:52
Laneyseb128: from the device itself?11:52
seb128Laney, no, from an adb11:52
Laneynot sure if that will work11:52
seb128k11:52
Laneymake a script and run it11:52
seb128can do that ;-)11:52
Laneyhow do I get this?11:52
dpmseb128, what's the status of being able to change the language? Last time I spoke to you guys it was blocked on something missing from lightdm or policy kit to land. Has that already been fixed?11:54
seb128dpm, we are just discussing those issues atm, if you read the backlog11:55
dpmah, cool11:55
Laneyseems lightdm from proposed alone isn't enough11:56
seb128Laney, on the device11:57
seb128polkit\56retains_authorization_after_challenge=111:57
seb128Authorization requires authentication and -u wasn't passed.11:57
seb128211:57
seb128Laney,11:58
seb128<ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/lightdm/11:58
seb128 for anyone wanting to test the lightdm session11:58
seb128<ogra_> install these two packages and reboot11:58
seb128Laney, ^ you need those11:58
Laneyok, let me see11:58
seb128thanks11:58
seb128Laney, that update made loginctl lists a seat for my session11:58
seb128which was not the case before11:59
seb128but that doesn't seem enough :/11:59
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Laney       If the specificied process is not authorized because no suitable authentication agent is available or if the12:04
Laney       --allow-user-interaction wasn't passed, pkcheck exits with a return value of 2 and a diagnostic message is printed on standard12:04
Laney       error. Details are printed on standard output.12:04
ogra_note that switching on plokit (which this change does) might reveal missing pkla files for granting access12:08
ogra_*polkit12:08
seb128oh, right12:08
seb128we don't install the desktop privilege package on touch right?12:08
ogra_i dont think so12:09
ogra_should we do that ?12:09
seb128k12:09
seb128not sure the desktop set makes sense on touch12:09
seb128or if they need tweaking12:09
ogra_yeah12:09
seb128Laney, pitti: ^ do you have any opinion?12:09
ogra_well, i see massive app-test failures here with the new session ...12:09
ogra_i guess they are also premission related12:10
Laneyah hang on12:10
LaneyI see this12:10
Laneyroot@iota:/var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d# grep clock com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla  -A 212:11
Laney[Setting the clock]12:11
LaneyIdentity=unix-group:admin;unix-group:sudo12:11
LaneyAction=org.gnome.clockapplet.mechanism.*;org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure;org.kde.kcontrol.kcmclock.save12:11
LaneyResultActive=yes12:11
Laneythen@12:11
Laney  <action id="org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure">12:11
Laney[…]12:11
Laney    <annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.imply">org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-time org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-timezone org.freedesktop12:12
Laney.timedate1.set-local-rtc org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-ntp</annotate>12:12
Laneylet me try installing that12:12
pittiseb128: re from lunch12:13
pittiseb128: so running through, the bits that we (probably) won't need are: udisks, cpufreq (that should be automatic), usb-creator, disabling hibernate12:14
pittiseb128: also, org.debian.apt.upgrade-packages seems irrelevant with system packages, and we won't use aptdaemon12:14
pittiseb128: org.gnome.clockapplet.mechanism.*;org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure;org.kde.kcontrol.kcmclock.save12:15
pittiseb128: ^ that's an interesting bit, but I suppose this is actually obsolete on the desktop now as well, as control-center uses timedated?12:15
seb128pitti, they wouldn't create any issue though right?12:15
pittiseb128: so what's left is org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system12:15
seb128pitti, indeed, I just noticed that when Laney copied the snippet before12:15
pittiand that's an important one, we need to define networks12:15
LaneyThe permission only works because of that implies thing that I just pasted12:15
pittiI suppose something in the phablet conf grants that priv?12:16
pittiLaney: right12:16
Laneydoesn't work right now12:16
Laneytrying to install the package12:16
seb128pitti, no, most of settings still don't work in the touch image12:16
pittiseb128: so yes, having that package installed wouldn't create any issues12:16
pittiseb128: oh, creating new connections != modify?12:16
pittibecause you can certainly connect to a new wifi12:16
Laneyphablet already has an NM pkla12:17
Laneyhmm, still doesn't work12:19
seb128same here :/12:19
LaneyError checking for authorization org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Action org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure is not registered12:30
* Laney edits12:31
Laneyphablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ pkcheck --action-id org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-time --process 2425; echo $?12:33
Laney012:33
Laneyseb128: ^12:33
Laneymuhahaha12:33
seb128Laney, so it works with the fixed pkla to list systemd rather than gcc's interfaces?12:34
Laneyseb128: well, I just added them on12:34
LaneyI think that could just go into pk-d-p12:34
seb128Laney, I wonder why it works on desktop, isn't org.gnome.controlcenter deprecated/dropped from saucy?12:35
Laneylaney@iota> dpkg -S actions/org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.policy                                                      /usr/share/polkit-112:36
Laneygnome-control-center-data: /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.policy12:36
seb128oh, it's still there12:36
seb128I was looking at the wrong place12:36
LaneyI guess it makes some sense for it to have rules itself12:36
Laneymore abstraction12:36
Laney"stats on welcome screen" got saved12:38
Laneycan't toggle errors12:39
Laney(does the even work on the device?)12:39
Laneys/the/that/12:39
seb128not sure, check with ev please12:39
Laneyk12:40
LaneyHAHA! THE TIME CHANGED!12:40
seb128\o/12:41
seb128VICTORY12:41
pittiLaney: oh, with writable image?12:42
Laneypitti: yes, but that's time not timezone12:42
pittiLaney: or using the patches?12:42
pittiah12:42
Laneyso shouldn't write any files12:42
pittiright12:42
Laneyenabling ntp appeared to work too :-O12:42
Laneyi.e. the time went back to utc12:42
Laneyok, lunch; someone feel free to add those actions to pk-d-p and upload/seed it12:43
* seb128 does the it works dance12:43
seb128Laney, enjoy!12:43
pittiyoutube! youtube!12:43
seb128lol12:43
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Laneyhow do I launch u-s-s from terminal on the device?13:51
LaneyI can get the UI but it's frozen13:51
seb128Laney, I do "/usr/bin/system-settings --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop --stage_hint=main_stage" from ssh/adb13:52
seb128well13:53
seb128"/usr/bin/system-settings --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop"13:53
seb128rather13:53
seb128that's the one needed13:53
LaneyO_O13:53
Laneyoh yes, sure it did13:54
seb128Laney, the desktop file is needed by the shell to know what surface to render or something, I forgot the details13:54
Laneyok, thanks13:55
jibelthere is a crash I get relatively often on saucy with g+ hangouts in firefox but other people are reporting it in other conditions, could someone have a look at bug 119185313:55
jibelhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/119185313:56
seb128bregma, ^ it's a compiz decorator issue13:56
seb128jibel, as usually, better to ask on #ubuntu-unity about unity/compiz13:57
seb128Trevinho, ^13:57
* Trevinho looking13:57
jibelseb128, ah right, sorry13:58
seb128jibel, no worry ;-)14:00
seb128Laney, coming?14:03
Laneyyes, usual trouble14:03
Laneynow hangouts crashes on my phone14:03
seb128:-(14:04
seb128if even google gets it wrong14:05
seb128didrocks, I guess you are not coming (not that you have lot to say this week I guess)?14:05
seb128attente, coming to the settings meeting?14:05
attenteseb128, sorry, be there in a sec14:06
seb128attente, thanks14:06
attenteseb128, sorry, do you have a link?14:10
didrocksseb128: yeah, nothing to say and in a meeting :/14:10
seb128attente, sorry, seems you got it?14:12
attenteseb128, yep14:13
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seb128desrt, hey, is there any chance you could look at a GTK bug for me? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70306214:33
ubot2`Gnome bug 703062 in gtk "gnome-session-properties hits "GtkBox child GtkScrolledWindow minimum width" error" [Normal,Unconfirmed]14:33
seb128desrt, I sort of want to get that fixed one way or another for saucy (fixed in gtk, or workarounded in gnome-session-properties)14:34
desrtsize allocation bugs!!14:34
seb128desrt, one workaround would be to not have an empty list by default, which is my fallback plan14:34
desrtthe GtkScrolledWindow should not be shrinking itself like that14:40
desrtseb128: how exactly do i get no items listed? :)14:41
seb128desrt, add NoDisplay=true to the .desktop that are in this list14:42
seb128desrt, typically they are in /etc/xdg/autostart14:42
* desrt wonders why playing around with XDG_DATA_DIRS seems to have no effect14:42
seb128desrt, or just move the dir away14:42
seb128desrt, it's CONFIG not DATA14:42
desrtfor desktop files?14:45
desrtoh.  i see.14:46
desrtdoh.14:46
desrtso i don't get the error with gtk 3.10.  that's nice.14:47
seb128now to find the commit to backport then :/14:47
seb128(if that's possible)14:47
desrtmy favourite game14:47
desrtcan we just use gtk 3.10? :)14:47
seb128lol14:47
seb128I knew we would get there :p14:47
seb128NO14:47
seb128;-)14:47
desrtgood times... i love problems like this14:48
desrtyou know that scrollview got totally rewritten this cycle, right?14:48
didrocksseb128: so maybe older system-settings was still working with new content-hub14:55
didrocksas it used the old style?14:55
sil2100didrocks: I jump out now for lunch and then to the doctor, be back soon I hope ;)14:56
seb128didrocks, no, I first started by reverting the system settings commit14:56
seb128didrocks, was still buggy14:56
seb128didrocks, then I reverted content hub, and it worked14:56
didrocksseb128: ah ok ;)14:58
Laneyrsalveti: Think you'll get a chance to check out gst today?15:01
LaneyI uploaded to the PPA but armhf is lagging so you'll need to build bad and good locally15:01
Laneyincluding the patch, that is15:01
rsalvetiLaney: yup15:01
rsalvetiwill give it a shot later today15:01
Laneyone of the changes jim made is already upstream15:04
Laneyhe'll find out when rebasing ;-)15:04
rsalveticool15:05
seb128mpt, so, if the background panel has only one image to select the user background ... should that take the whole screen?15:06
seb128mpt, should we keep the "home screen" text at the bottom or not?15:07
mptseb128, do you mean that you're keeping the screen for choosing which background to change, just removing bits from it?15:09
mptseb128, if so, no, keep the thumbnail the same size, but yes, remove the "Home screen" text15:09
seb128mpt, http://ubuntuone.com/1Rb2gkYMa3JvnsgzzOjwDb15:11
seb128mpt, that's the current version15:11
seb128mpt, so you would keep the thumbnail that size (same as when we had both next to each others) or just make it fit the screen?15:12
mptseb128, I'd keep it that size, for forward-familiarity if nothing else. :-)15:14
seb128sil2100, ^15:14
seb128mpt, just hidding the label at the bottom then?15:15
mptOh crikey, this is going to end up looking just as weird as the Gnome 3 background UI15:15
* mpt cries15:15
seb128lol15:15
* seb128 hugs mpt15:15
mptseb128, yep15:16
seb128mpt, thanks15:19
didrocksseb128: in trunk?15:30
compiz-userbregma, I was told to come here and ask you about whether or not there is a workaround for the control as primary problem with compiz.   I am not looking for a patch but rather a way of maybe altering a config file or setting somewhere so I can use keybindings with ctrl15:30
didrockshum, not yet15:31
seb128didrocks, I wish I knew what was going on with CI, this morning merges were taking 10min to get in and I'm waiting on that one for 45 min and it's not moving :/15:31
seb128didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/background-revert-new-content-hub/+merge/18780715:31
didrocksseb128: did you ping fginther?15:31
didrocks(yeah, I'm on that page)15:31
seb128fginther, ^15:31
seb128fginther, we need that merged, do you know why it's not happening?15:31
fgintherseb128, looking15:31
seb128fginther, thanks15:31
bregmaTrevinho, can you answer the question from compiz-user ?^^^15:32
compiz-userdoes anyone else know if there is a possibe workaround for the primary/control problem with assigning keybindings in compiz?15:32
compiz-userthat is where I was sent from15:32
compiz-userthey told me bregma at ubuntu-desktop was the only one who could help me.15:33
compiz-userthat is why I am here bregma15:33
fgintherseb128, it's building right now. The slowness is caused by the high activity, jobs are having to wait15:33
compiz-userI was at the compiz related channels15:33
compiz-userbregma, you can't answer it?15:34
seb128fginther, thanks15:34
bregmacompiz-user, I'm not an expert on compiz configuration15:34
compiz-userwell I just need to somehow get the ctrl key to work in keybindings.  is there some config file I could put something in and if so what is the format?15:35
Trevinhocompiz-user: mh, I'm not either that expert on that field, I think bschaefer (here soon) or andyrock know more15:36
compiz-userIf you chose ctrl it selects primary instead of control15:36
Trevinhocompiz-user: however, what's your issue? CCsm maps your control key as <Primary> and this doesn't work there?15:36
compiz-useryes exactly15:36
Trevinhocompiz-user: mh, what if you edit it manually writing Control?15:36
compiz-userI can15:36
compiz-useryes, but I can't find where to do that.  that is exactly what I want to do15:37
compiz-userbut I did a grep -ri on primary over anyplace that I thought could possible contain the relevant settings and noting resulted so I have no clue where it could be15:37
compiz-usernothing15:37
compiz-userif you could tell me where and the format required that is what I want to do Trevinho15:38
compiz-userbasically Trevinho in response to your question -- edit what?15:38
seb128compiz-user, can you use #ubuntu for user questions?15:39
seb128compiz-user, that channel is used to discuss ongoing work15:40
compiz-userwhat?????   this is a compiz question and I was sent by the compiz channels specifically here to ask a particular person, bregma15:40
compiz-userI have been everywhere and am sent here by them15:40
seb128well; /query him15:40
seb128or ask on #ubuntu-unity15:40
seb128well, they were wrong to send you here15:40
compiz-userI don't use ubuntu.  I am only here because I was told to ask bregma here.15:40
seb128well, whover told you that was wrong15:41
seb128please stop spamming that channel15:41
seb128move that to a compiz channel on to a private query15:41
seb128thanks15:41
didrocksseb128: chroot issues on amd64 for content-hub, restarting a build15:44
seb128didrocks, ok :/15:44
didrocksi386/armhf published15:44
seb128fginther, is ubuntu-system-settings still building? it shouldn't take 10 mins to build15:44
fgintherseb128, http://10.97.2.10:8080/job/ubuntu-system-settings-saucy-amd64-autolanding/300/console15:45
fgintherseb128, it's still building, looks to be about done15:45
Laneythis is exciting to watch15:46
seb128fginther, thanks, that machine is sloooow15:46
didrocksargh, still chroot issue15:46
LaneyI got that on two ppa builds15:47
Laneymaybe check if something broke15:47
didrocksasked on #ubuntu-release15:47
fgintherseb128, so... close... now...15:48
fgintherif only we had a rack of SSDs15:48
seb128didrocks, fginther: great, it's merged15:50
didrockslet's build system-settings now15:50
didrocks(but blocked on this amd64 thingy)15:50
Laneybah, I forgot that I had the nexus 7 set up to build u-s-s15:50
Laneythen flashed it with a ro image15:51
* Laney stabs the panda15:51
Laney(take THAT greenpeace)15:52
ogra_you mean WWF >15:53
ogra_?15:53
Laneyyeah those too15:53
Laneydid we ever get a porterbox on one of those nice calxeda nodes?15:54
didrocksseb128: yeah, armhf and powperpc are now failing as well for system-settings15:55
seb128:-(15:55
seb128didrocks, once of those days :/15:55
didrocksyeah :/15:56
seb128mpt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#phone-cellular ... if we don't have a way to select the data mode, but only to make data on or off, how do you recommend changing the design?16:13
seb128mpt, have a switch for cellular data?16:13
mptseb128, yep16:13
seb128mpt, thanks16:13
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robruseb128, ping. can you test some mediaplayer-app tests for us?16:40
seb128robru, can try, what needs to be run and where?16:40
robruseb128, content-hub, system-settings, and also media stack. please enable the daily build ppa and run some tests ;-)16:41
robruseb128, whoops, not system-settings just yet. but soon16:42
reson_nodeshello16:43
reson_nodesi need satellite base mobile live location hacking software for windows or linux os16:43
seb128robru, do you have specific about the "some tests"?16:43
robruseb128, the autopilot tests for those packages, but run on the phone16:44
seb128how do I do that?16:44
seb128do they work on a ro image?16:44
ogra_seb128, you need to make the image rw16:45
ogra_seb128, and then use phablet-test-run16:45
desrtseb128: so uh.... this issue looks like it is at least partially our fault16:46
robruseb128, phablet-test-run apparently.16:46
seb128desrt, oh?16:46
robruseb128, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/55ae9715f4234c209e9bc64d991bbd026dc201cf do you have a sec?16:46
desrtseb128: the stock upstream version that we're running doesn't have the issue16:46
seb128robru, no, I don't16:46
desrt...i discover after wasting a while bisecting16:46
seb128robru, 5 people are talking to me and I've like 3 builds going on and stuff to watch16:47
desrtseb128: doing a package build with all the patches removed right now to see what happens.  it could be our theme as well.16:47
seb128desrt, version of what, gtk?16:47
robruseb128, ok, will figure some things and get back to you in a bit16:47
desrtya16:47
seb128robru, thanks16:47
desrtchecked out the tag for 3.8.4 and built it in jhbuild: no issue16:47
seb128desrt, weird, I though I had tried an upstream tarball build before reporting the bug16:47
desrtseb128: it could well be our theme16:47
seb128oh16:48
seb128OH16:48
desrtseb128: indeed, no issue when using the high-contrast theme16:51
seb128I hate themes16:51
desrt:)16:52
seb128Laney, what is this "paths.indexOf(path) == -1"?16:53
Laneyin the middle of trying something16:53
desrtseb128: looks like "path is not in paths"16:53
Laneydon't look yet!16:53
seb128Laney, don't push if you don't want me to look :p16:53
desrtseb128: bad advice ;p16:53
Laneyi'm trying to not count the same device more than once16:53
seb128do you know why the same device is listed more than once?16:54
seb128seems like having the dups and filtering them away is fixing at the wrong place16:54
seb128I don't have a smart idea about how to not get the dups in the first place though :/16:54
LaneyI guess it's like how you get them in mount -l16:55
seb128I would if we should filter out based on the dev16:55
seb128e.g /dev/mmcblk -> filtered out16:55
seb128ignore that16:56
Laneyogra_: Do we have to do all of the spreadsheet stuff for seed change?17:09
Laneys17:09
desrtseb128: looking like a treeview bug, perhaps17:11
seb128desrt, bouncing back between theme and gtk? ;-)17:11
desrtit's reporting a negative size allocation of -3 wide.... presumably adwaita and highcontrast have enough padding to bump this into positive territory, but we only add 1 on each side, turning -3 into -117:11
seb128oh17:12
ogra_Laney, you have to add it to LAnding Asks ...17:12
desrtwill keep digging...17:12
Laneyyes, that17:12
seb128desrt, thanks17:12
* desrt is having a nice heart-to-heart with gdb17:12
ogra_Laney, and per the new rules it will then be discussed in the next landing meeting (tomorrow morning)17:12
Laneywant to take care of adding policykit-desktop-privileges? :-)17:13
ogra_Laney, will migrate to landing plan over the day ... and then land at some point17:13
ogra_Laney, add a line to landing asks, add me as the owner (next to you in column C)17:14
LaneyI don't think I can17:14
LaneyI'll push it to the seed17:14
ogra_and i'll guide it through the sheets :)17:14
ogra_no, dont !17:14
Laneywhy17:14
ogra_do a MP17:14
Laneyoh jeez17:14
ogra_yeah :(17:14
Laneythere are loads of steps between pushing and it being uploaded17:14
ogra_about a day at least, yeah17:15
desrtseb128: yup.  3 columns and each is reporting itself as -1.17:15
Laneyah17:17
LaneyI got a plausible number for total storage17:17
desrtseb128: actually, we can blame this one on overlay scrollbars =)17:29
seb128why am I not surprised?17:29
desrtwell, it's not really overlay scrollbars' fault, for a change17:29
desrtthe problem is prevented from the extra padding from the normal scrollbar17:29
desrtthat's what really puts us into positive territory17:30
seb128ok, so you are saying scrollbars workaround the issue if you don't use os17:30
desrtyes.  precisely.17:30
desrtit's a gtktreeview bug, i'm pretty sure17:30
desrti have a one-liner fix17:30
desrtnot sure if it's right, but it'll work17:30
seb128desrt, great17:32
seb128attente, why do you drop "import SystemSettings 1.0" in https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/ubuntu-system-settings/display-language-listview/+merge/187619 ?17:32
jasoncwarnerseb128 around?17:33
attenteseb128, it isn't necessary for that qml file17:33
seb128jasoncwarner, yes, I wouldn't be writing here otherwise :p17:33
desrtseb128: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/42479/80216854/17:34
seb128attente, k, fair enough, we have been copying it around for most sources so far I think17:34
Laneyseb128: /might/ have fixed the sizes, please re-check in your case17:34
Laneyset the mp back to needs review17:34
desrtseb128: i have a version of the patch in the bug without the spelling mistake =)17:39
Laneyogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-seeds/saucy-touch-policykit-desktop-privileges/+merge/18785817:41
* Laney is off, ttyl17:41
ogra_thx17:41
seb128Laney, night!17:42
seb128desrt, ;-)17:42
* desrt -> lunch17:42
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robruMirv, still around? i did some more poking and I think I resolved that libfriends issue. turns out the dbus stuff wasn't mocked as well as i thought. so i added another mock ;-)18:19
robruseb128, still around? testing the latest content-hub doesn't seem to have fixed the issue? can't change wallpaper anyway18:40
seb128robru, did you update the settings as well?18:40
robruseb128, well, plars was testing it... i'll ask him...18:41
seb128robru, where do you guys discuss it?18:41
robruwe are just messaging privately right now18:42
ochosimdeslaur: hi! i wanted to quickly chat you up about lp #1226509, a problem with systemd's policies18:42
ochosi(hmpf, what, no bugbot?)18:42
mdeslaurochosi: sure, what's up?18:42
ochosimdeslaur: ok, i'm one of the lightdm-gtk-greeter maintainers, and we noticed that with the switch to systemd/logind, the restart-menuitem went away18:43
ochosimdeslaur: check #2 on the bugreport to see why that happens18:43
ochosimdeslaur: and see this commit upstream (we talked to poettering about the issue) which fixes it: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=299404a19f26aa4f203042d8285ee0b7afa5bf4018:44
ochosimdeslaur: now my question is naturally, whether it's possible to backport this tiny change to systemd204 in 13.1018:44
mdeslaurochosi: sure, it makes sense18:45
ochosimdeslaur: anything we can do to help or can you just flip the switch?18:45
mdeslaurochosi: are you looking for someone to do it, or are you just looking at a security team approval?18:46
ochosi(i assume you don't need a patch for the single line change)18:46
ochosimdeslaur: well, i'm not an uploader, and xubuntu (the team i'm part of) is traditionally low on uploaders, so i'd have to find someone to *do* it as well...18:46
ochosimdeslaur: but sure, giving your approval on it would help18:46
mdeslaurochosi: I'll upload it...so you confirm that change is all that is needed for that bug to be resolved?18:47
ochosimdeslaur: yes, we tested it by locally changing the policy (it's not very hard to test)18:47
mdeslaurochosi: ok, give me 10 minutes, and I'll upload a fix18:47
ochosithen, the behavior is as expected, can_restart returns "yes" and the greeter works again18:48
ochosimdeslaur: thanks!! this is very very much appreciated (took us a long time to figure out what's actually going on)18:48
mdeslaurochosi: yw18:52
mdeslaurochosi: uploaded19:18
ochosimdeslaur: thanks, your my hero for today!19:19
mdeslaurhehe19:19
ochosithe xubuntu-community applauds19:19
desrtseb128: sign off :p20:23
seb128desrt, heh, I guess I should ;-)20:23
seb128desrt, I'm not working though, watching TV and just turned the laptop next to it20:24
desrtseb128: hello, then!20:24
seb128desrt, hey ;-)20:24
desrtdid you kick off a gtk build with that patch?20:24
seb128desrt, not yet, I trust you it solves the issue but I was waiting a bit to see if somebody else upstream reviews it20:25
desrtfair enough20:25
desrti guess it's not a huge issue for us since this dialog is never empty20:25
desrtwere you playing around on the phone or something?20:25
seb128desrt, it's empty by default20:26
seb128desrt, I wouldn't have pinged you about it otherwise20:26
desrtweird.20:26
seb128why?20:26
desrtit's full of the contents from the files in /etc for me20:26
seb128do you run Ubuntu?20:26
seb128we did hide all the system services some cycles ago20:27
seb128users were shooting themself by turning off e.g g-s-d20:27
seb128or gnome-keyring20:27
seb128it doesn't make sense to have important services there20:27
seb128so we hide all the services and let users add apps20:28
seb128so by default it's empty20:28
seb128well, for standard install, I've some stuff as well from non default components20:28
seb128desrt, upstream took our patch this cycle btw: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/commit/?id=55fab9dc066875641cffbab966ca20e35821afdf20:29
desrtahh20:31
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=== Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha
rsalvetiLaney: so, we'll try to fix bug 1231727 first, and then test it again on top of gst 1.222:52
rsalvetito avoid having more moving parts22:52

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