=== Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [05:23] robru: FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/libfriends/+bug/1231260 [05:26] Mirv, I think it's an infrastructural problem? I have no idea what could possibly be causing that. i haven't been able to reproduce the issue locally. can you poke at it a little bit today? [05:29] Good morning [05:29] pitti, morning! [05:31] robru: it only happens with libfriends, but libfriends itself hasn't had commits so no idea where it could come from. I'll update the bug anyhow to reflect the fact. [05:32] robru: I wonder if it's anything like tests using network or such.. [05:32] hey robru, how are you? [05:32] robru: the webops already gave process list on a hanging machine https://pastebin.canonical.com/98017/plain/ [05:32] Good morning [05:32] pitti, alright... woke up feeling quite groggy but much better now. and you? [05:34] robru: quite okay; first Taekwondo training yesterday after three weeks (QA sprint/plumbers), so feeling a bit "ouch", too :) [05:34] pitti, hah, nice [05:35] Mirv, yeah, i don't really understand it. it uses 'live' dbus but all dbus services are mocked heavily, so there should be no network traffic happening or anything like that. I'm EOD but I'll check that process list a bit more closely tomorrow [05:35] robru: yeah, I'll at least see that cu2d doesn't get stalled. thanks. [05:36] pitti, Mirv ok, g'night ;-) [05:36] robru: good night! [05:37] pitti: packaging changes ack! http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6157465/ - it's a more fine grained .install file that would fail on --fail-missing more often, since now there was a bug where Pickers/ were omitted [05:40] Mirv: why does it need to enumerate all individual files now? [05:40] Mirv: do some of these files go into different binary packages? [05:46] pitti: I guess they want to prevent similar thing from happening in the future - ie. they make a typo in some of the makefiles, something stops from being installed but dh --fail-missing doesn't catch it since there's /* used [05:46] pitti: no, they same in the same package [05:47] Mirv: hmm; that seems a bit dubious to me, as it makes maintenance unnecessarily harder in the normal case [05:47] and this only guards against "lucky" typos, if you typo file names etc. it won't help [05:47] there's (binary) debdiff and autopkgtests to guard against those [05:48] Mirv: so, not a fan, and it's not common packaging practice, and I don't see it actually helping much [05:48] pitti: right, I suggested the sdk team already to add after-packaging tests to check various contents [05:48] well, one would hope that they actually *test* their packages before a MP? [05:49] pitti: yes, that has been a popular topic in the past weeks, testing and how it should/could be done [05:50] all autopilot tests passed on both it and various apps, since no-one uses the component that went missing yet [05:53] Laney: not updating gobject-introspection in Debian yet, as it should go together with glib 2.38; will that go to unstable soon? (anything which is known not to be backwards compatible with GNOME 3.8 components?) [05:53] I'm not aware of any compatibility breakers === thumper is now known as thumper-afk [05:56] I filed now a bug against ubuntu-ui-toolkit for them to add some sort of autopkgtest to test the contained components [08:03] pitti: not that I know of, just didn't want to get in the way [08:04] pitti: oh, wait, there were some build failures [08:04] p.s. morning [08:05] good morning desktopers [08:05] hey Laney, seb128 [08:05] hey didrocks Laney pitti [08:06] bonjour seb128 et didrocks, comment allez-vous ? [08:06] pitti: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=glib2.0&suite=experimental (ignore ppc) [08:06] hello seb128 didrocks! [08:06] pitti: bien occupé, mais ça va, et toi? [08:06] pitti, je vais bien, merci, et toi ? [08:06] oh argh [08:06] ich habe keine ahnung [08:07] je vais bien, merci ! j'ai les muscles endolores après le premier Taekwondo hier, mais c'est bien :) [08:07] pitti, c'était la rentrée ? [08:08] * seb128 needs to figure out what to do as exercice this season [08:08] seb128: non, je suis de retour :) [08:08] always climbing [08:08] pitti, ah ok ;-) [08:08] seb128: J'aime le badminton aussi [08:09] oui, c'est bien comme sport [08:09] Laney, I never tried climbing, sound like it could be fun, though I fear it wouldn't move enough to my taste [08:10] * seb128 is pondering tennis [08:10] or going back swimming [08:10] ah, it's not really like those I guess [08:11] might bring my shoes and go in Oak [08:11] http://www.touchstoneclimbing.com/gwpower-co/tour [08:12] ah, messieurs iront à Oakland pour le sprint ? [08:13] oui [08:13] pitti, tu vas nous manquer [08:14] aloha [08:14] czajkowski, howdy [08:14] how are you today? [08:14] seb128: Julien me demande, mais c'est trop de voyage [08:14] seb128: and we already have something planned for the long weekend at that time [08:15] ok [08:15] next time I guess [08:15] pitti, I'm going to see you next w.e anyway ;-) [08:15] seb128: oui ! [08:15] seb128: not bad it's raining over here in Dublin so feel at home :) [08:15] lol [09:26] seb128: feel free to self approve pot updates IMO [09:26] Laney, good point, thanks ;-) === thumper-afk is now known as thumper [09:56] Someone try this please [09:56] Open nautilus, navigate to /usr/share/backgrounds [09:56] crashes here (with all the wallpaper packages installed) [09:56] Laney, wfm, but I don't have all the wallpaper packages installed [09:56] e.g I only have the saucy set [09:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1231352 [09:57] Laney: Error: launchpad bug 1231352 not found [09:57] once retraced etc [09:57] k [09:57] * seb128 looks at e.u.c [09:57] didn't open that for a while [09:58] somehow that still feels like a black hole to me [09:58] how so? [09:58] launchpad bugs seem more useful / more likely to get fixed [09:58] probably just me [09:58] they are more useful [09:58] but e.u.c helps to estimate what issues are more frequent than others [09:59] e.g where to start [10:09] Hmm [10:09] can't pick a background [10:09] well, can pick it, doesn't get applied [10:11] Laney, on the device or on the desktop? it works for me on the device with 64 (yesterday's image) ... I just upgraded, let me try with 65 [10:11] device [10:11] I don't see in the code where it's updated [10:11] for me it gets applied to the lock screen/greeter and to the background [10:12] phablet@ubuntu-phablet:/usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/background$ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri [10:12] 'file:///usr/share/themes/Adwaita/backgrounds/adwaita-timed.xml' [10:12] shrug, doesn't work today [10:13] Laney, we got http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/revision/372 in recently, not sure if that's creating issues [10:14] * seb128 tries a revert [10:14] well, nothing sets pictureUri on the background gsettings object [10:14] so I don't know how it could have ever worked [10:14] (never tried before on a device) [10:15] Laney, calling me a liar? ;-) [10:15] wait [10:15] I found it [10:15] it was working yesterday for me [10:15] there's a hidden Connections [10:15] I've a custom background on the device atm [10:15] no, trying to debug :P [10:19] Laney, downgrading content-hub fixes it [10:19] KENNNNN [10:19] haha [10:19] just as he sneaks away [10:19] even with the u-s-s change? [10:20] yes [10:20] I'm running u-s-s trunk [10:20] i seoke [10:20] erm [10:21] that's either "i see" or "ok" [10:21] seb128: I guess check with gusch [10:22] lol [10:22] yeah [10:25] Laney, pitti: is there anything blocking to land the systemd side of the fixes for the tz-/etc-ro issue? [10:26] seb128: it seems this balloned from "teach timedated to get along with that" to "completely change how we handle /etc" :( [10:26] yeah I'm not sure how it got blocked :-/ [10:26] seb128: so now I'm faced with "rewrite initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch for the new method" or "don't use /etc/writable/, but a specific /etc/time-writable/ directory" to avoid the above [10:27] but the latter has the disadvantage that we'll almost surely need this approach for other files in /etc/ as well [10:27] this "mount individual files" approach is inherently mis-designed [10:27] right [10:27] but we don't seem to have any way to clean up mistakes there in upgrades [10:27] we are not going to get to a clean solution for v1 anyway [10:27] oh, right, upgrades :-( [10:28] (like, the addition of mounts for /etc/timezone and friends, which got rejected in MP but uploaded anyway) [10:28] so, this is a bit of a 'orrible mess [10:29] so, if this is OMGurgent, I can change the patches for only putting the timezone files into /etc/time-writable/, and aggravate the upgrade problem in the future [10:29] as realistically I won't have time to understand and change the full initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch code [10:31] pitti, it's not super urgent, but having it fixed this week or early next week would be nice [10:32] pitti, I can try to talk to slangasek to see if they can help/do the initramfs side [10:32] that would help, yes [10:32] as a fallback I can do the "use specific directory" [10:35] then a side-migration from this to the final area :-/ [10:35] pitti, ok, thanks, I'm going to talk with Steve when he gets online ... do we have a summary somewhere, of what we need from them? [10:36] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch/+bug/1227520/comments/23 [10:36] pitti, danke [10:46] Laney, do you get that nautilus segfault every time you enter /usr/share/backgrounds? [10:47] Laney, oh, the second seems different ... if you copy /usr/share/backgrounds/edubuntu_default.png somewhere else, do you hit the bug as well? [10:47] I found some comments that it was due to nautilus-dropbox [10:47] so I removed that and now it seems I can enter it on the laptop [10:47] do you use that? [10:47] the second crash I reported was from the other machine which I don't think has it [10:47] * Laney checks [10:48] Laney, the second one seems to not like the edubuntu image, let me try to get that one here [10:48] yeah [10:48] I guess the first one is invalid [10:48] * Laney does that [10:49] Laney, the first one is a dup of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1193522 [10:49] yeah, found that one [10:49] that's what gave me the clue [10:49] darkxst said by then that dropbox needs to be rebuilt with the new gtk, I don't get why [10:50] that would suggest gtk 3.8 is abi incompatible with 3.6 [10:50] I installed dropbox from the repo and it works now [10:50] well, anyway, I pinged jcastro about it a few weeks ago to know if he had some contact at dropbox to ask them to rebuild it/have a look [10:50] probably the official binary does something weird [10:50] he said he was going to send an email [10:50] but I didn't check what happened since I'm back [10:51] jcastro, ^ did you get any reply? [10:51] Laney, I'm pondering making nautilus conflicts with their dropbox package [10:52] just putting edubuntu_default in its own directory is enough to make nautilus segfault here [10:53] wtf it's 0 bytes [10:53] weird [10:53] Laney, it's a symlink [10:53] ah yes I copied it [10:54] no [10:54] the png isn't a symlink [10:54] dpkg doesn't know about it, did I break that? [10:54] edubuntu_default.jpg -> Mr._Tau_and_The_Tree_-_by_TJ.jpg [10:54] here [10:54] crash is in .png though [10:54] ubuntu-wallpapers-saucy: /usr/share/backgrounds/Mr._Tau_and_The_Tree_-_by_TJ.jpg [10:55] weird [10:55] so [10:55] mkdir ~/foo; cd ~/foo; touch empty.png; nautilus . === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:24] Laney, sorry, lunch got ready, I was eating ... doing that "touch empty.png; nautilus ." works without segfault here [11:24] np, it works on my laptop too [11:24] weird [11:24] is your laptop the same arch that the box that has the issue? [11:24] yep [11:24] seb128, Laney, hi :) [11:24] seb128, do you have a moment? [11:24] ricotz, hey, how are you? [11:24] ricotz, sure [11:24] It has new glib but I put that on the laptop and it didn't break there [11:25] seb128, i am fine ;), you? [11:25] seb128, could you take a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/packages/tracker/ [11:25] during that I got https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1219414 [11:25] bugs bugs bugs [11:25] seb128, 0.16.2 includes serious fixes [11:26] seb128, Laney, how do you update the .pot file in the settings app's sources? [11:26] manually [11:26] dpm, cd po; qmake .; make pot [11:26] ah, cool [11:26] thanks guys [11:26] yw [11:26] why? [11:26] dpm, I updated it in trunk this morning [11:27] seb128, I saw this one, and I thought I'd send a quick fix, but I want to check that the comment is indeed picked up in the .pot file -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1210341 [11:27] dpm, they are not (if I didn't try the wrong format by then) [11:28] dpm, I tried that before [11:28] dpm, well, let me know how it goes [11:29] Laney, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/151515768/Stacktrace.txt is a bit weird [11:29] we managed to do it for core apps, let me see if I can do the same for settings [11:29] Laney, it starts with a python function, I wonder if you have a nautilus-python user installed/creating the issue [11:29] dpm, that would be great, thanks ;-) [11:31] seb128: Yeah removing python-nautilus makes it go away [11:31] ricotz, do you have a bug report/sponsor subscribed? I'm going to try to have a look today, but it would be easier to not forget if it was in the sponsoring queue [11:31] not sure why that was installed [11:31] U1? [11:31] I don't think so [11:31] I think their nautilus code is C [11:32] Laney, can you reassign the bug to nautilus-python? (sorry, I closed the tab and I'm lazy to look for the number again) [11:32] seb128, ok, it works, but it doesn't just pick any comment automatically. Since we're invoking xgettext with --add-comments=TRANSLATORS, comments need to contain TRANSLATORS to be put in the .pot file. [11:32] seb128, no, didnt make a bug for it yet, will make one -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grilo/+bug/1227630 is similar [11:33] ok [11:34] ricotz, looking to the news of this one, you probably need a ffe [11:34] refactoring of libs is not bug fix [11:35] sil2100, Mirv: ^ you might want to look at/comment/ack or not the grilo update as well, I think you are the ones that looked the most at this stack this cycle [11:36] dpm, oh ok, so it needs e.g TRANSLATORS: that's a nice once [11:36] one [11:37] dpm, that makes sense ;-) [11:39] seb128, yeah, this way xgettext doesn't just pick any random comment on top of a translatable message. https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-1210341/+merge/187736 [11:39] seb128, hmm, i see [11:45] Laney, do you have any hint on testing that polkit works as it should? [11:45] Laney, with the new lightdm I get a seat assigned [11:45] e.g [11:45] # loginctl [11:45] SESSION UID USER SEAT [11:45] c1 32011 phablet seat0 [11:45] but the settings still don't work :/ [11:46] try the dbus calls [11:49] Laney, I tried to dbus-monitor [--system] but I don't see anything happening in there [11:50] pkcheck --action-id org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-time --process $$; echo $? [11:50] try that from a terminal on the device [11:51] saluton kunlaborantoj! [11:51] hrm, I don't have the terminal app any more and the search doesn't let me install it [11:51] oh, lies [11:51] I just had to go to the application lens [11:51] greetings desrt [11:51] Laney: manage to wrap your mind around cancellable? [11:52] Laney, [11:52] $ pkcheck --action-id org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-time --process $$; echo $? [11:52] polkit\56retains_authorization_after_challenge=1 [11:52] Authorization requires authentication and -u wasn't passed. [11:52] 2 [11:52] think so, charles didn't complain too much [11:52] desrt, salut ;-) [11:52] seb128: from the device itself? [11:52] Laney, no, from an adb [11:52] not sure if that will work [11:52] k [11:52] make a script and run it [11:52] can do that ;-) [11:52] how do I get this? [11:54] seb128, what's the status of being able to change the language? Last time I spoke to you guys it was blocked on something missing from lightdm or policy kit to land. Has that already been fixed? [11:55] dpm, we are just discussing those issues atm, if you read the backlog [11:55] ah, cool [11:56] seems lightdm from proposed alone isn't enough [11:57] Laney, on the device [11:57] polkit\56retains_authorization_after_challenge=1 [11:57] Authorization requires authentication and -u wasn't passed. [11:57] 2 [11:58] Laney, [11:58] http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/lightdm/ [11:58] for anyone wanting to test the lightdm session [11:58] install these two packages and reboot [11:58] Laney, ^ you need those [11:58] ok, let me see [11:58] thanks [11:58] Laney, that update made loginctl lists a seat for my session [11:59] which was not the case before [11:59] but that doesn't seem enough :/ === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:04] If the specificied process is not authorized because no suitable authentication agent is available or if the [12:04] --allow-user-interaction wasn't passed, pkcheck exits with a return value of 2 and a diagnostic message is printed on standard [12:04] error. Details are printed on standard output. [12:08] note that switching on plokit (which this change does) might reveal missing pkla files for granting access [12:08] *polkit [12:08] oh, right [12:08] we don't install the desktop privilege package on touch right? [12:09] i dont think so [12:09] should we do that ? [12:09] k [12:09] not sure the desktop set makes sense on touch [12:09] or if they need tweaking [12:09] yeah [12:09] Laney, pitti: ^ do you have any opinion? [12:09] well, i see massive app-test failures here with the new session ... [12:10] i guess they are also premission related [12:10] ah hang on [12:10] I see this [12:11] root@iota:/var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d# grep clock com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla -A 2 [12:11] [Setting the clock] [12:11] Identity=unix-group:admin;unix-group:sudo [12:11] Action=org.gnome.clockapplet.mechanism.*;org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure;org.kde.kcontrol.kcmclock.save [12:11] ResultActive=yes [12:11] then@ [12:11] [12:11] […] [12:12] org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-time org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-timezone org.freedesktop [12:12] .timedate1.set-local-rtc org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-ntp [12:12] let me try installing that [12:13] seb128: re from lunch [12:14] seb128: so running through, the bits that we (probably) won't need are: udisks, cpufreq (that should be automatic), usb-creator, disabling hibernate [12:14] seb128: also, org.debian.apt.upgrade-packages seems irrelevant with system packages, and we won't use aptdaemon [12:15] seb128: org.gnome.clockapplet.mechanism.*;org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure;org.kde.kcontrol.kcmclock.save [12:15] seb128: ^ that's an interesting bit, but I suppose this is actually obsolete on the desktop now as well, as control-center uses timedated? [12:15] pitti, they wouldn't create any issue though right? [12:15] seb128: so what's left is org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system [12:15] pitti, indeed, I just noticed that when Laney copied the snippet before [12:15] and that's an important one, we need to define networks [12:15] The permission only works because of that implies thing that I just pasted [12:16] I suppose something in the phablet conf grants that priv? [12:16] Laney: right [12:16] doesn't work right now [12:16] trying to install the package [12:16] pitti, no, most of settings still don't work in the touch image [12:16] seb128: so yes, having that package installed wouldn't create any issues [12:16] seb128: oh, creating new connections != modify? [12:16] because you can certainly connect to a new wifi [12:17] phablet already has an NM pkla [12:19] hmm, still doesn't work [12:19] same here :/ [12:30] Error checking for authorization org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Action org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.configure is not registered [12:31] * Laney edits [12:33] phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ pkcheck --action-id org.freedesktop.timedate1.set-time --process 2425; echo $? [12:33] 0 [12:33] seb128: ^ [12:33] muhahaha [12:34] Laney, so it works with the fixed pkla to list systemd rather than gcc's interfaces? [12:34] seb128: well, I just added them on [12:34] I think that could just go into pk-d-p [12:35] Laney, I wonder why it works on desktop, isn't org.gnome.controlcenter deprecated/dropped from saucy? [12:36] laney@iota> dpkg -S actions/org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.policy /usr/share/polkit-1 [12:36] gnome-control-center-data: /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.gnome.controlcenter.datetime.policy [12:36] oh, it's still there [12:36] I was looking at the wrong place [12:36] I guess it makes some sense for it to have rules itself [12:36] more abstraction [12:38] "stats on welcome screen" got saved [12:39] can't toggle errors [12:39] (does the even work on the device?) [12:39] s/the/that/ [12:39] not sure, check with ev please [12:40] k [12:40] HAHA! THE TIME CHANGED! [12:41] \o/ [12:41] VICTORY [12:42] Laney: oh, with writable image? [12:42] pitti: yes, but that's time not timezone [12:42] Laney: or using the patches? [12:42] ah [12:42] so shouldn't write any files [12:42] right [12:42] enabling ntp appeared to work too :-O [12:42] i.e. the time went back to utc [12:43] ok, lunch; someone feel free to add those actions to pk-d-p and upload/seed it [12:43] * seb128 does the it works dance [12:43] Laney, enjoy! [12:43] youtube! youtube! [12:43] lol === dednick is now known as dednick|lunch === dednick|lunch is now known as dednick [13:51] how do I launch u-s-s from terminal on the device? [13:51] I can get the UI but it's frozen [13:52] Laney, I do "/usr/bin/system-settings --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop --stage_hint=main_stage" from ssh/adb [13:53] well [13:53] "/usr/bin/system-settings --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop" [13:53] rather [13:53] that's the one needed [13:53] O_O [13:54] oh yes, sure it did [13:54] Laney, the desktop file is needed by the shell to know what surface to render or something, I forgot the details [13:55] ok, thanks [13:55] there is a crash I get relatively often on saucy with g+ hangouts in firefox but other people are reporting it in other conditions, could someone have a look at bug 1191853 [13:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1191853 [13:56] bregma, ^ it's a compiz decorator issue [13:57] jibel, as usually, better to ask on #ubuntu-unity about unity/compiz [13:57] Trevinho, ^ [13:57] * Trevinho looking [13:58] seb128, ah right, sorry [14:00] jibel, no worry ;-) [14:03] Laney, coming? [14:03] yes, usual trouble [14:03] now hangouts crashes on my phone [14:04] :-( [14:05] if even google gets it wrong [14:05] didrocks, I guess you are not coming (not that you have lot to say this week I guess)? [14:05] attente, coming to the settings meeting? [14:06] seb128, sorry, be there in a sec [14:06] attente, thanks [14:10] seb128, sorry, do you have a link? [14:10] seb128: yeah, nothing to say and in a meeting :/ [14:12] attente, sorry, seems you got it? [14:13] seb128, yep === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:33] desrt, hey, is there any chance you could look at a GTK bug for me? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=703062 [14:33]