| roasted | I can't help but to wonder... wouldn't it be possible to intentionally derail Ubuntu GNOME from the regular Ubuntu release cycle? | 02:26 |
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| roasted | as in, release Ubuntu GNOME 2 months after each Ubuntu release? | 02:26 |
| roasted | and therefore integrate the latest Gnome into UG? | 02:27 |
| roasted | aka - release Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 as 13.12 (december) with 3.10 natively | 02:27 |
| roasted | just a thought/question/whynotatleastask | 02:27 |
| manuelcua | Hello everyone | 03:27 |
| flo1546796 | hi everyone, anyone knows a way to setup virtualboard execution on textfield focus event ? | 07:18 |
| flo1546796 | OR, is it exist a deamon/eventlistener that can catch it ? | 07:20 |
| flo1546796 | (tool or script module) | 07:22 |
| ochosi | robert_ancell: do you have advice on what a lightdm-greeter should do in this case? (see last comment there): https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1226509 | 08:03 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1226509 in systemd (Ubuntu) "lightdm_get_can_restart returns false in Ubuntu Saucy" [Undecided,New] | 08:03 |
| ochosi | robert_ancell: (sorry for pinging you bout that, but we'd like to fix that before Saucy gets released) | 08:03 |
| robert_ancell | ochosi, I think you should treat this as "no" but I'm not sure. If you are running a policykit agent you might be able to handle this? | 08:04 |
| ochosi | robert_ancell: hmm, well i guess the idea is that it's "no", but not allowing users to reboot while shutdown is allowed seems weird | 08:05 |
| ochosi | not sure i know enough about polkit (so far the greeter did everything through lightdm) | 08:05 |
| robert_ancell | ochosi, agreed. I don't know enough about what the power management stack is doing though | 08:05 |
| ochosi | robert_ancell: any idea who i could talk to about that? or would you, if we don't get to a solution, recommend treating it as "yes" as a workaround in Saucy to allow users to reboot? | 08:06 |
| robert_ancell | ochosi, you could ask on the systemd mailing list | 08:07 |
| ochosi | robert_ancell: ok, will do. thanks for taking a look! | 08:07 |
| robert_ancell | ochosi, I just had a quick look at the systemd source (src/login/logind-dbus.c) and challenge is returned when policykit decides you need some additional authentication to perform the action | 08:09 |
| robert_ancell | so it must be due to the policykit configuration being too restrictive or something like that | 08:10 |
| ochosi | robert_ancell: yeah, i know, but it has different values for shutdown and reboot | 08:10 |
| robert_ancell | ochosi, there must be different policy somewhere | 08:10 |
| ochosi | robert_ancell: yeah, but is that not what i suggested in my comment on the bugreport? | 08:11 |
| * robert_ancell reads | 08:12 | |
| robert_ancell | yes :) | 08:12 |
| ochosi | i just don't get why power-off-multiple-sessions and reboot-multiple-sessions get different policy-settings | 08:12 |
| ochosi | so as they do, i'm 1) wondering "why?" and 2) shall i ignore/override that | 08:12 |
| robert_ancell | ochosi, I'm surprised the "challenge" is returned to the d-bus caller. As I understood it normally policykit is called by the daemon that needs it and only success/failure is returned to the caller (after a long delay which user authentication occurs) | 08:13 |
| robert_ancell | so the caller has no idea if policykit is involved at all | 08:13 |
| ochosi | this seems to be new with logind... | 08:14 |
| darkxst | ricotz, can I get whatever you have done so far towards mozjs24? | 08:14 |
| robert_ancell | ochosi, yes, never seen it before | 08:16 |
| * ochosi scratches head | 08:16 | |
| robert_ancell | ochosi, sorry for not having the time to respond on the bug | 08:17 |
| ochosi | robert_ancell: no problem, i understand you have other things at hand | 08:17 |
| ochosi | robert_ancell: i'm just wondering whether i just override that as unity-greeter allows users to reboot in the same scenario (but it seems indicator-session works in different ways) | 08:18 |
| robert_ancell | ochosi, I think indicator-session accesses the interfaces directly (LightDM just provides them as a convenience) | 08:18 |
| robert_ancell | It might be worth seeing if they access them differently | 08:18 |
| ochosi | robert_ancell: yeah, that's what i thought, but it should still get the same return-values i would think | 08:18 |
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| manuelcua | Hi everyone, I have a question | 12:59 |
| manuelcua | In the install process of the daily build, it doesn't connect to the wired Internet connection, if I put any other install ISO it works, how can I test what's wrong? | 13:00 |
| manuelcua | I guess I'm going to send the question to the mailing list.. | 13:01 |
| roasted | I think it's time to fire up 13.10 and upgrade to 3.10 and see what's up | 14:34 |
| blueMix | Hello | 16:29 |
| roasted | hi | 16:29 |
| blueMix | How can i upgrade my Gnome 3.08 to 3.10 in Ubuntu Gnome? | 16:29 |
| roasted | you have to be on Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 | 16:30 |
| roasted | whcih is not released yet. It's in beta. | 16:30 |
| blueMix | Aha, i thought the Desktop environment is seperated | 16:30 |
| roasted | according to the devs, too much has cahnged in Gnome 3.10 to make the transition easy via PPA, so it's going to require Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 for that | 16:31 |
| blueMix | Ok, thanks | 16:31 |
| roasted | This isn't anything specific to Ubuntu. openSUSE informed me that they are not going to pull 3.10 in via a REPO/PPA system in openSUSE 12.3, but instead, will wait until openSUSE 13.1 to release it with Gnome 3.10. | 16:31 |
| roasted | in short, run a beta distro or you'll have to wait until it's officially released on the distro of choice. | 16:32 |
| blueMix | i prefer to wait | 16:32 |
| blueMix | i saw a video about Gnome 3.10 on YouTube, it has been much enhanced | 16:33 |
| roasted | yeah, it looks really nice | 16:33 |
| blueMix | are you using Ubuntu Gnome? | 16:34 |
| roasted | not at the moment, but I am looking to reinstall it. | 16:35 |
| roasted | I had a *lot* of problems with Nautilus | 16:35 |
| blueMix | then what distro are you using now? | 16:35 |
| roasted | around that time elementary OS came out so I checked it out and have been on it ever since. | 16:36 |
| roasted | I like eOS a lot but I have a few minor frustrations with it. Nothing major though, nothing at all like the Nautilus problem I had before on Ubuntu GNOME. | 16:36 |
| roasted | but I'm hoping that's fixed, or else I'll install another file manager (Nemo perhaps) and be done with it. | 16:36 |
| blueMix | what kind of problems you have with natilus? | 16:36 |
| roasted | I work with file servers *a lot* | 16:37 |
| roasted | when transferring data, it would lock up, hard | 16:37 |
| roasted | it literally made nautilus unusable for my needs, 100% | 16:37 |
| blueMix | work with file servers? am wondering how facebook storage big is? :) | 16:38 |
| roasted | file servers at work and home | 16:38 |
| roasted | I'm talking like, transfer 200 MB of data and it would freeze | 16:38 |
| roasted | it was ridiculous | 16:38 |
| roasted | a dev told me it was really a GVFS bug that was fixed, but I couldn't find confirmation on *exactly* what version fixed it | 16:38 |
| bjsnider | no problems with file transfer here | 16:39 |
| roasted | of course, that's how it always works :P | 16:39 |
| blueMix | do you use ext4 as your file system on file servers? | 16:39 |
| roasted | I do at home, yes. at work I'm not entirely sure what is on the array. | 16:39 |
| roasted | but at work we have about 6 file servers, all act up with nautilus. | 16:39 |
| roasted | wired or wireless | 16:39 |
| blueMix | are working in a file sharing company? | 16:40 |
| roasted | in short, I concluded nautilus/gvfs/whatever was unusable at the time, so I moved on to things that worked, which was eOS and their default file manager Marlin | 16:40 |
| roasted | no, I work for a large public school district. | 16:40 |
| bjsnider | marlin? hahaha | 16:40 |
| blueMix | eOS, let me YouTube it; the first time heard of it | 16:40 |
| bjsnider | what is it a fork of dolphin? | 16:41 |
| roasted | bjsnider: hey, ask me if Marlin worked. Then, ask me if Nautilus worked. | 16:41 |
| roasted | not sure | 16:41 |
| roasted | it's definitely GTK based | 16:41 |
| roasted | eOS is very GTK entrenched | 16:41 |
| bjsnider | well dolphin is qt | 16:41 |
| bjsnider | i'm assuming they're related due to the naming scheme | 16:41 |
| blueMix | eOS, you mean elementary OS? | 16:41 |
| roasted | blueMix: JupiterBroadcasting did a nice spread on elementary OS Luna. It's very, very simplistic - even moreso than Gnome these days. | 16:42 |
| bjsnider | the nautilus fork is called nemo, which is following a train of thought | 16:42 |
| roasted | yes blueMix | 16:42 |
| roasted | bjsnider: yeah, I might fire up Nemo once I get UbuGnome going again | 16:43 |
| roasted | we'll see though | 16:43 |
| roasted | either way it sounded like it was a GVFS bug, so it wouldn't be Nautilus specific I would think | 16:43 |
| bjsnider | nothing wrong with nautilus though, so forks aren't necessary | 16:43 |
| roasted | but eOS is Ubuntu 12.04 based, so I can only imagine I'd be working off of a different version of GVFS | 16:43 |
| roasted | bjsnider: Nemo makes a truckload of sense given the recent neutering of Nautilus | 16:44 |
| roasted | I cannot stress that enough. | 16:44 |
| blueMix | where you mean with GVFS? | 16:44 |
| roasted | blueMix: GVFS is the gnome virtual file system, which is the middle man of handling file transfers. It's critical GVFS performs without flaw to make file transfers happen. | 16:44 |
| bjsnider | it's probably that he's transferring between smb or nfs file systems | 16:45 |
| roasted | I am | 16:45 |
| roasted | smb | 16:45 |
| blueMix | did you try KDE? | 16:46 |
| roasted | lol | 16:46 |
| roasted | many times | 16:46 |
| blueMix | Dolphin? | 16:47 |
| roasted | I liked dolphin actually | 16:47 |
| blueMix | why you didn't report the problem in GVFS to them? | 16:47 |
| roasted | KDE does not use GVFS | 16:47 |
| roasted | GVFS = Gnome virtual file system | 16:47 |
| blueMix | i know, i mean when using natilus | 16:47 |
| roasted | why would I report a GVFS issue to KDE when they do not use GVFS, nor Nautilus | 16:48 |
| blueMix | no, i mean when you're using natilus and have the bug in GVFS, KDE is out :) | 16:48 |
| blueMix | i know, i entangled my question :) | 16:49 |
| roasted | so if I want the best 3.10 experience currently available, do I need gnome3, staging, and next? or just gnome3 and next? | 16:55 |
| bjsnider | so many ppas | 16:56 |
| roasted | I know :/ | 16:56 |
| bjsnider | you probably need the upcoming fedora release, or wait for debian | 16:56 |
| roasted | wait for debian? | 16:56 |
| roasted | I'd like to try 3.10 before my 2 month old graduates college... | 16:57 |
| bjsnider | in contrast to ubuntu there are lots of guys working on debian packaging of gnome | 16:57 |
| roasted | so you're suggesting I should not use ubuntu gnome? | 16:57 |
| bjsnider | they go slowly because they have a lot of rules to follow and whatnot | 17:00 |
| roasted | yeah, I get that | 17:02 |
| roasted | and I respect that | 17:02 |
| roasted | but it's also the exact reason I won't use debian | 17:02 |
| roasted | anyway, back to the original question... which PPAs do I need for 13.10/3.10? | 17:02 |
| roasted | ;/ | 17:13 |
| bjsnider | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.10-status.html | 18:39 |
| mrpink462 | Good evening and firstly thanks for your great work! | 20:45 |
| SonikkuAmerica | mrpink462: Who are you talking to, all of us? | 20:48 |
| manuelcua | Good evening! | 21:22 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Evening! | 21:22 |
| manuelcua | I'm very surprised that Gnome 3.8 is very stable, in deed it needs some polish but I've been very happy with it | 21:24 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Have you tried 3.10 yet? | 21:25 |
| manuelcua | Yes, but only on test machine, so I haven't been able to stress it | 21:30 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Ah. Haven't been able to get my hands on it yet, waiting for 13.10 to stabilize | 21:31 |
| manuelcua | I have three machines, and two of them are for testing.. the main one is for programming so I need it to be stable | 21:31 |
| SonikkuAmerica | I'm a bleeding-edge proponent, primary OS on a machine that used to run Windows 8 (UEFI and all) | 21:33 |
| manuelcua | nice, did you have to change the bios to legacy? | 21:37 |
| SonikkuAmerica | manuelcua: Nope! Didn't have to change a thing, in fact. Worked directly with Secure Boot, do not pass GO, do not collect $200. | 21:39 |
| manuelcua | Do you use Facebook chat with empathy? | 21:43 |
| SonikkuAmerica | I do. (Or try to... not one attempt with either Facebook or Jabber has worked since I installed any *buntu on this thing.) | 21:46 |
| SonikkuAmerica | In fact, I'm using Empathy to chat with you right now over IRC. | 21:46 |
| manuelcua | What did you use for that, I tried to find the account but I guess there's something else that needs to be installed | 21:47 |
| manuelcua | Before with Pidgin it woked out of the box.. | 21:47 |
| manuelcua | and facebook hahaha | 21:48 |
| SonikkuAmerica | It still does, Pidgin. Xubuntu and Lubuntu come stock with it | 21:48 |
| manuelcua | I think there's a xchat with gnome integration.. I'm going to try that. | 21:49 |
| SonikkuAmerica | It's called xchat-gnome, and it's just XChat with a clunky wrapper. | 21:49 |
| manuelcua | Ahh.. meh.. | 21:49 |
| SonikkuAmerica | In Empathy, to connect to an IRC network, press F4, click the little + sign, and select IRC from the drop-down menu near the top of the dialog box. | 21:50 |
| manuelcua | turns out it wasnt installed, I just installed it from atp | 21:51 |
| manuelcua | apt | 21:51 |
| manuelcua | Nope could not get it to work on empathy | 22:08 |
| SonikkuAmerica | manuelcua: Hmmm.... | 22:10 |
| SonikkuAmerica | SonikkuAmerica: Do you have telepathy-idle installed? | 22:10 |
| manuelcua | let me se | 22:11 |
| manuelcua | Yes I do | 22:12 |
| SonikkuAmerica | manuelcua: Good... account-plugin-irc ? | 22:13 |
| manuelcua | yep | 22:13 |
| manuelcua | Tomorrow at night I will install 3.10 to see how it works on my machine | 22:14 |
| manuelcua | most of the apps I use have to be downloaded anyways.. so I guess there's no harm | 22:14 |
| SonikkuAmerica | manuelcua: And it's not in the list of accounts from Empathy's menu (NOT Online Accounts) | 22:15 |
| SonikkuAmerica | ? | 22:15 |
| manuelcua | Yes it is, it just shows blank after I click it with a Done button on the side nothing more, and it does nothing hahaha | 22:16 |
| manuelcua | I removed it completely and installed it again and it didn't work.. | 22:16 |
| menelkir | Upgrading to 13.10 via update-manager -d is sufficient to test and help debugging, right? | 23:04 |
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