[02:26] I can't help but to wonder... wouldn't it be possible to intentionally derail Ubuntu GNOME from the regular Ubuntu release cycle? [02:26] as in, release Ubuntu GNOME 2 months after each Ubuntu release? [02:27] and therefore integrate the latest Gnome into UG? [02:27] aka - release Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 as 13.12 (december) with 3.10 natively [02:27] just a thought/question/whynotatleastask [03:27] Hello everyone [07:18] hi everyone, anyone knows a way to setup virtualboard execution on textfield focus event ? [07:20] OR, is it exist a deamon/eventlistener that can catch it ? [07:22] (tool or script module) [08:03] robert_ancell: do you have advice on what a lightdm-greeter should do in this case? (see last comment there): https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1226509 [08:03] Ubuntu bug 1226509 in systemd (Ubuntu) "lightdm_get_can_restart returns false in Ubuntu Saucy" [Undecided,New] [08:03] robert_ancell: (sorry for pinging you bout that, but we'd like to fix that before Saucy gets released) [08:04] ochosi, I think you should treat this as "no" but I'm not sure. If you are running a policykit agent you might be able to handle this? [08:05] robert_ancell: hmm, well i guess the idea is that it's "no", but not allowing users to reboot while shutdown is allowed seems weird [08:05] not sure i know enough about polkit (so far the greeter did everything through lightdm) [08:05] ochosi, agreed. I don't know enough about what the power management stack is doing though [08:06] robert_ancell: any idea who i could talk to about that? or would you, if we don't get to a solution, recommend treating it as "yes" as a workaround in Saucy to allow users to reboot? [08:07] ochosi, you could ask on the systemd mailing list [08:07] robert_ancell: ok, will do. thanks for taking a look! [08:09] ochosi, I just had a quick look at the systemd source (src/login/logind-dbus.c) and challenge is returned when policykit decides you need some additional authentication to perform the action [08:10] so it must be due to the policykit configuration being too restrictive or something like that [08:10] robert_ancell: yeah, i know, but it has different values for shutdown and reboot [08:10] ochosi, there must be different policy somewhere [08:11] robert_ancell: yeah, but is that not what i suggested in my comment on the bugreport? [08:12] * robert_ancell reads [08:12] yes :) [08:12] i just don't get why power-off-multiple-sessions and reboot-multiple-sessions get different policy-settings [08:12] so as they do, i'm 1) wondering "why?" and 2) shall i ignore/override that [08:13] ochosi, I'm surprised the "challenge" is returned to the d-bus caller. As I understood it normally policykit is called by the daemon that needs it and only success/failure is returned to the caller (after a long delay which user authentication occurs) [08:13] so the caller has no idea if policykit is involved at all [08:14] this seems to be new with logind... [08:14] ricotz, can I get whatever you have done so far towards mozjs24? [08:16] ochosi, yes, never seen it before [08:16] * ochosi scratches head [08:17] ochosi, sorry for not having the time to respond on the bug [08:17] robert_ancell: no problem, i understand you have other things at hand [08:18] robert_ancell: i'm just wondering whether i just override that as unity-greeter allows users to reboot in the same scenario (but it seems indicator-session works in different ways) [08:18] ochosi, I think indicator-session accesses the interfaces directly (LightDM just provides them as a convenience) [08:18] It might be worth seeing if they access them differently [08:18] robert_ancell: yeah, that's what i thought, but it should still get the same return-values i would think === AbsintheSyringe2 is now known as AbsintheSyringe [12:59] Hi everyone, I have a question [13:00] In the install process of the daily build, it doesn't connect to the wired Internet connection, if I put any other install ISO it works, how can I test what's wrong? [13:01] I guess I'm going to send the question to the mailing list.. [14:34] I think it's time to fire up 13.10 and upgrade to 3.10 and see what's up [16:29] Hello [16:29] hi [16:29] How can i upgrade my Gnome 3.08 to 3.10 in Ubuntu Gnome? [16:30] you have to be on Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 [16:30] whcih is not released yet. It's in beta. [16:30] Aha, i thought the Desktop environment is seperated [16:31] according to the devs, too much has cahnged in Gnome 3.10 to make the transition easy via PPA, so it's going to require Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 for that [16:31] Ok, thanks [16:31] This isn't anything specific to Ubuntu. openSUSE informed me that they are not going to pull 3.10 in via a REPO/PPA system in openSUSE 12.3, but instead, will wait until openSUSE 13.1 to release it with Gnome 3.10. [16:32] in short, run a beta distro or you'll have to wait until it's officially released on the distro of choice. [16:32] i prefer to wait [16:33] i saw a video about Gnome 3.10 on YouTube, it has been much enhanced [16:33] yeah, it looks really nice [16:34] are you using Ubuntu Gnome? [16:35] not at the moment, but I am looking to reinstall it. [16:35] I had a *lot* of problems with Nautilus [16:35] then what distro are you using now? [16:36] around that time elementary OS came out so I checked it out and have been on it ever since. [16:36] I like eOS a lot but I have a few minor frustrations with it. Nothing major though, nothing at all like the Nautilus problem I had before on Ubuntu GNOME. [16:36] but I'm hoping that's fixed, or else I'll install another file manager (Nemo perhaps) and be done with it. [16:36] what kind of problems you have with natilus? [16:37] I work with file servers *a lot* [16:37] when transferring data, it would lock up, hard [16:37] it literally made nautilus unusable for my needs, 100% [16:38] work with file servers? am wondering how facebook storage big is? :) [16:38] file servers at work and home [16:38] I'm talking like, transfer 200 MB of data and it would freeze [16:38] it was ridiculous [16:38] a dev told me it was really a GVFS bug that was fixed, but I couldn't find confirmation on *exactly* what version fixed it [16:39] no problems with file transfer here [16:39] of course, that's how it always works :P [16:39] do you use ext4 as your file system on file servers? [16:39] I do at home, yes. at work I'm not entirely sure what is on the array. [16:39] but at work we have about 6 file servers, all act up with nautilus. [16:39] wired or wireless [16:40] are working in a file sharing company? [16:40] in short, I concluded nautilus/gvfs/whatever was unusable at the time, so I moved on to things that worked, which was eOS and their default file manager Marlin [16:40] no, I work for a large public school district. [16:40] marlin? hahaha [16:40] eOS, let me YouTube it; the first time heard of it [16:41] what is it a fork of dolphin? [16:41] bjsnider: hey, ask me if Marlin worked. Then, ask me if Nautilus worked. [16:41] not sure [16:41] it's definitely GTK based [16:41] eOS is very GTK entrenched [16:41] well dolphin is qt [16:41] i'm assuming they're related due to the naming scheme [16:41] eOS, you mean elementary OS? [16:42] blueMix: JupiterBroadcasting did a nice spread on elementary OS Luna. It's very, very simplistic - even moreso than Gnome these days. [16:42] the nautilus fork is called nemo, which is following a train of thought [16:42] yes blueMix [16:43] bjsnider: yeah, I might fire up Nemo once I get UbuGnome going again [16:43] we'll see though [16:43] either way it sounded like it was a GVFS bug, so it wouldn't be Nautilus specific I would think [16:43] nothing wrong with nautilus though, so forks aren't necessary [16:43] but eOS is Ubuntu 12.04 based, so I can only imagine I'd be working off of a different version of GVFS [16:44] bjsnider: Nemo makes a truckload of sense given the recent neutering of Nautilus [16:44] I cannot stress that enough. [16:44] where you mean with GVFS? [16:44] blueMix: GVFS is the gnome virtual file system, which is the middle man of handling file transfers. It's critical GVFS performs without flaw to make file transfers happen. [16:45] it's probably that he's transferring between smb or nfs file systems [16:45] I am [16:45] smb [16:46] did you try KDE? [16:46] lol [16:46] many times [16:47] Dolphin? [16:47] I liked dolphin actually [16:47] why you didn't report the problem in GVFS to them? [16:47] KDE does not use GVFS [16:47] GVFS = Gnome virtual file system [16:47] i know, i mean when using natilus [16:48] why would I report a GVFS issue to KDE when they do not use GVFS, nor Nautilus [16:48] no, i mean when you're using natilus and have the bug in GVFS, KDE is out :) [16:49] i know, i entangled my question :) [16:55] so if I want the best 3.10 experience currently available, do I need gnome3, staging, and next? or just gnome3 and next? [16:56] so many ppas [16:56] I know :/ [16:56] you probably need the upcoming fedora release, or wait for debian [16:56] wait for debian? [16:57] I'd like to try 3.10 before my 2 month old graduates college... [16:57] in contrast to ubuntu there are lots of guys working on debian packaging of gnome [16:57] so you're suggesting I should not use ubuntu gnome? [17:00] they go slowly because they have a lot of rules to follow and whatnot [17:02] yeah, I get that [17:02] and I respect that [17:02] but it's also the exact reason I won't use debian [17:02] anyway, back to the original question... which PPAs do I need for 13.10/3.10? [17:13] ;/ [18:39] http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.10-status.html [20:45] Good evening and firstly thanks for your great work! [20:48] mrpink462: Who are you talking to, all of us? [21:22] Good evening! [21:22] Evening! [21:24] I'm very surprised that Gnome 3.8 is very stable, in deed it needs some polish but I've been very happy with it [21:25] Have you tried 3.10 yet? [21:30] Yes, but only on test machine, so I haven't been able to stress it [21:31] Ah. Haven't been able to get my hands on it yet, waiting for 13.10 to stabilize [21:31] I have three machines, and two of them are for testing.. the main one is for programming so I need it to be stable [21:33] I'm a bleeding-edge proponent, primary OS on a machine that used to run Windows 8 (UEFI and all) [21:37] nice, did you have to change the bios to legacy? [21:39] manuelcua: Nope! Didn't have to change a thing, in fact. Worked directly with Secure Boot, do not pass GO, do not collect $200. [21:43] Do you use Facebook chat with empathy? [21:46] I do. (Or try to... not one attempt with either Facebook or Jabber has worked since I installed any *buntu on this thing.) [21:46] In fact, I'm using Empathy to chat with you right now over IRC. [21:47] What did you use for that, I tried to find the account but I guess there's something else that needs to be installed [21:47] Before with Pidgin it woked out of the box.. [21:48] and facebook hahaha [21:48] It still does, Pidgin. Xubuntu and Lubuntu come stock with it [21:49] I think there's a xchat with gnome integration.. I'm going to try that. [21:49] It's called xchat-gnome, and it's just XChat with a clunky wrapper. [21:49] Ahh.. meh.. [21:50] In Empathy, to connect to an IRC network, press F4, click the little + sign, and select IRC from the drop-down menu near the top of the dialog box. [21:51] turns out it wasnt installed, I just installed it from atp [21:51] apt [22:08] Nope could not get it to work on empathy [22:10] manuelcua: Hmmm.... [22:10] SonikkuAmerica: Do you have telepathy-idle installed? [22:11] let me se [22:12] Yes I do [22:13] manuelcua: Good... account-plugin-irc ? [22:13] yep [22:14] Tomorrow at night I will install 3.10 to see how it works on my machine [22:14] most of the apps I use have to be downloaded anyways.. so I guess there's no harm [22:15] manuelcua: And it's not in the list of accounts from Empathy's menu (NOT Online Accounts) [22:15] ? [22:16] Yes it is, it just shows blank after I click it with a Done button on the side nothing more, and it does nothing hahaha [22:16] I removed it completely and installed it again and it didn't work.. [23:04] Upgrading to 13.10 via update-manager -d is sufficient to test and help debugging, right?