[02:26] <roasted> I can't help but to wonder... wouldn't it be possible to intentionally derail Ubuntu GNOME from the regular Ubuntu release cycle?
[02:26] <roasted> as in, release Ubuntu GNOME 2 months after each Ubuntu release?
[02:27] <roasted> and therefore integrate the latest Gnome into UG?
[02:27] <roasted> aka - release Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 as 13.12 (december) with 3.10 natively
[02:27] <roasted> just a thought/question/whynotatleastask
[03:27] <manuelcua> Hello everyone
[07:18] <flo1546796> hi everyone, anyone knows a way to setup virtualboard execution on textfield focus event ?
[07:20] <flo1546796> OR, is it exist a deamon/eventlistener that can catch it ?
[07:22] <flo1546796> (tool or script module)
[08:03] <ochosi> robert_ancell: do you have advice on what a lightdm-greeter should do in this case? (see last comment there): https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1226509
[08:03] <ochosi> robert_ancell: (sorry for pinging you bout that, but we'd like to fix that before Saucy gets released)
[08:04] <robert_ancell> ochosi, I think you should treat this as "no" but I'm not sure. If you are running a policykit agent you might be able to handle this?
[08:05] <ochosi> robert_ancell: hmm, well i guess the idea is that it's "no", but not allowing users to reboot while shutdown is allowed seems weird
[08:05] <ochosi> not sure i know enough about polkit (so far the greeter did everything through lightdm)
[08:05] <robert_ancell> ochosi, agreed. I don't know enough about what the power management stack is doing though
[08:06] <ochosi> robert_ancell: any idea who i could talk to about that? or would you, if we don't get to a solution, recommend treating it as "yes" as a workaround in Saucy to allow users to reboot?
[08:07] <robert_ancell> ochosi, you could ask on the systemd mailing list
[08:07] <ochosi> robert_ancell: ok, will do. thanks for taking a look!
[08:09] <robert_ancell> ochosi, I just had a quick look at the systemd source (src/login/logind-dbus.c) and challenge is returned when policykit decides you need some additional authentication to perform the action
[08:10] <robert_ancell> so it must be due to the policykit configuration being too restrictive or something like that
[08:10] <ochosi> robert_ancell: yeah, i know, but it has different values for shutdown and reboot
[08:10] <robert_ancell> ochosi, there must be different policy somewhere
[08:11] <ochosi> robert_ancell: yeah, but is that not what i suggested in my comment on the bugreport?
[08:12]  * robert_ancell reads
[08:12] <robert_ancell> yes :)
[08:12] <ochosi> i just don't get why power-off-multiple-sessions and reboot-multiple-sessions get different policy-settings
[08:12] <ochosi> so as they do, i'm 1) wondering "why?" and 2) shall i ignore/override that
[08:13] <robert_ancell> ochosi, I'm surprised the "challenge" is returned to the d-bus caller. As I understood it normally policykit is called by the daemon that needs it and only success/failure is returned to the caller (after a long delay which user authentication occurs)
[08:13] <robert_ancell> so the caller has no idea if policykit is involved at all
[08:14] <ochosi> this seems to be new with logind...
[08:14] <darkxst> ricotz, can I get whatever you have done so far towards mozjs24?
[08:16] <robert_ancell> ochosi, yes, never seen it before
[08:16]  * ochosi scratches head
[08:17] <robert_ancell> ochosi, sorry for not having the time to respond on the bug
[08:17] <ochosi> robert_ancell: no problem, i understand you have other things at hand
[08:18] <ochosi> robert_ancell: i'm just wondering whether i just override that as unity-greeter allows users to reboot in the same scenario (but it seems indicator-session works in different ways)
[08:18] <robert_ancell> ochosi, I think indicator-session accesses the interfaces directly (LightDM just provides them as a convenience)
[08:18] <robert_ancell> It might be worth seeing if they access them differently
[08:18] <ochosi> robert_ancell: yeah, that's what i thought, but it should still get the same return-values i would think
[12:59] <manuelcua> Hi everyone, I have a question
[13:00] <manuelcua> In the install process of the daily build, it doesn't connect to the wired Internet connection, if I put any other install ISO it works, how can I test what's wrong?
[13:01] <manuelcua> I guess I'm going to send the question to the mailing list..
[14:34] <roasted> I think it's time to fire up 13.10 and upgrade to 3.10 and see what's up
[16:29] <blueMix> Hello
[16:29] <roasted> hi
[16:29] <blueMix> How can i upgrade my Gnome 3.08 to 3.10 in Ubuntu Gnome?
[16:30] <roasted> you have to be on Ubuntu GNOME 13.10
[16:30] <roasted> whcih is not released yet. It's in beta.
[16:30] <blueMix> Aha, i thought the Desktop environment is seperated
[16:31] <roasted> according to the devs, too much has cahnged in Gnome 3.10 to make the transition easy via PPA, so it's going to require Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 for that
[16:31] <blueMix> Ok, thanks
[16:31] <roasted> This isn't anything specific to Ubuntu. openSUSE informed me that they are not going to pull 3.10 in via a REPO/PPA system in openSUSE 12.3, but instead, will wait until openSUSE 13.1 to release it with Gnome 3.10.
[16:32] <roasted> in short, run a beta distro or you'll have to wait until it's officially released on the distro of choice.
[16:32] <blueMix> i prefer to wait
[16:33] <blueMix> i saw a video about Gnome 3.10 on YouTube, it has been much enhanced
[16:33] <roasted> yeah, it looks really nice
[16:34] <blueMix> are you using Ubuntu Gnome?
[16:35] <roasted> not at the moment, but I am looking to reinstall it.
[16:35] <roasted> I had a *lot* of problems with Nautilus
[16:35] <blueMix> then what distro are you using now?
[16:36] <roasted> around that time elementary OS came out so I checked it out and have been on it ever since.
[16:36] <roasted> I like eOS a lot but I have a few minor frustrations with it. Nothing major though, nothing at all like the Nautilus problem I had before on Ubuntu GNOME.
[16:36] <roasted> but I'm hoping that's fixed, or else I'll install another file manager (Nemo perhaps) and be done with it.
[16:36] <blueMix> what kind of problems you have with natilus?
[16:37] <roasted> I work with file servers *a lot*
[16:37] <roasted> when transferring data, it would lock up, hard
[16:37] <roasted> it literally made nautilus unusable for my needs, 100%
[16:38] <blueMix> work with file servers? am wondering how facebook storage big is? :)
[16:38] <roasted> file servers at work and home
[16:38] <roasted> I'm talking like, transfer 200 MB of data and it would freeze
[16:38] <roasted> it was ridiculous
[16:38] <roasted> a dev told me it was really a GVFS bug that was fixed, but I couldn't find confirmation on *exactly* what version fixed it
[16:39] <bjsnider> no problems with file transfer here
[16:39] <roasted> of course, that's how it always works :P
[16:39] <blueMix> do you use ext4 as your file system on file servers?
[16:39] <roasted> I do at home, yes. at work I'm not entirely sure what is on the array.
[16:39] <roasted> but at work we have about 6 file servers, all act up with nautilus.
[16:39] <roasted> wired or wireless
[16:40] <blueMix> are working in a file sharing company?
[16:40] <roasted> in short, I concluded nautilus/gvfs/whatever was unusable at the time, so I moved on to things that worked, which was eOS and their default file manager Marlin
[16:40] <roasted> no, I work for a large public school district.
[16:40] <bjsnider> marlin? hahaha
[16:40] <blueMix> eOS, let me YouTube it; the first time heard of it
[16:41] <bjsnider> what is it a fork of dolphin?
[16:41] <roasted> bjsnider: hey, ask me if Marlin worked. Then, ask me if Nautilus worked.
[16:41] <roasted> not sure
[16:41] <roasted> it's definitely GTK based
[16:41] <roasted> eOS is very GTK entrenched
[16:41] <bjsnider> well dolphin is qt
[16:41] <bjsnider> i'm assuming they're related due to the naming scheme
[16:41] <blueMix> eOS, you mean elementary OS?
[16:42] <roasted> blueMix: JupiterBroadcasting did a nice spread on elementary OS Luna. It's very, very simplistic - even moreso than Gnome these days.
[16:42] <bjsnider> the nautilus fork is called nemo, which is following a train of thought
[16:42] <roasted> yes blueMix
[16:43] <roasted> bjsnider: yeah, I might fire up Nemo once I get UbuGnome going again
[16:43] <roasted> we'll see though
[16:43] <roasted> either way it sounded like it was a GVFS bug, so it wouldn't be Nautilus specific I would think
[16:43] <bjsnider> nothing wrong with nautilus though, so forks aren't necessary
[16:43] <roasted> but eOS is Ubuntu 12.04 based, so I can only imagine I'd be working off of a different version of GVFS
[16:44] <roasted> bjsnider: Nemo makes a truckload of sense given the recent neutering of Nautilus
[16:44] <roasted> I cannot stress that enough.
[16:44] <blueMix> where you mean with GVFS?
[16:44] <roasted> blueMix: GVFS is the gnome virtual file system, which is the middle man of handling file transfers. It's critical GVFS performs without flaw to make file transfers happen.
[16:45] <bjsnider> it's probably that he's transferring between smb or nfs file systems
[16:45] <roasted> I am
[16:45] <roasted> smb
[16:46] <blueMix> did you try KDE?
[16:46] <roasted> lol
[16:46] <roasted> many times
[16:47] <blueMix> Dolphin?
[16:47] <roasted> I liked dolphin actually
[16:47] <blueMix> why you didn't report the problem in GVFS to them?
[16:47] <roasted> KDE does not use GVFS
[16:47] <roasted> GVFS = Gnome virtual file system
[16:47] <blueMix> i know, i mean when using natilus
[16:48] <roasted> why would I report a GVFS issue to KDE when they do not use GVFS, nor Nautilus
[16:48] <blueMix> no, i mean when you're using natilus and have the bug in GVFS, KDE is out :)
[16:49] <blueMix> i know, i entangled my question :)
[16:55] <roasted> so if I want the best 3.10 experience currently available, do I need gnome3, staging, and next? or just gnome3 and next?
[16:56] <bjsnider> so many ppas
[16:56] <roasted> I know :/
[16:56] <bjsnider> you probably need the upcoming fedora release, or wait for debian
[16:56] <roasted> wait for debian?
[16:57] <roasted> I'd like to try 3.10 before my 2 month old graduates college...
[16:57] <bjsnider> in contrast to ubuntu there are lots of guys working on debian packaging of gnome
[16:57] <roasted> so you're suggesting I should not use ubuntu gnome?
[17:00] <bjsnider> they go slowly because they have a lot of rules to follow and whatnot
[17:02] <roasted> yeah, I get that
[17:02] <roasted> and I respect that
[17:02] <roasted> but it's also the exact reason I won't use debian
[17:02] <roasted> anyway, back to the original question... which PPAs do I need for 13.10/3.10?
[17:13] <roasted> ;/
[18:39] <bjsnider> http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.10-status.html
[20:45] <mrpink462> Good evening and firstly thanks for your great work!
[20:48] <SonikkuAmerica> mrpink462: Who are you talking to, all of us?
[21:22] <manuelcua> Good evening!
[21:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Evening!
[21:24] <manuelcua> I'm very surprised that Gnome 3.8 is very stable, in deed it needs some polish but I've been very happy with it
[21:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Have you tried 3.10 yet?
[21:30] <manuelcua> Yes, but only on test machine, so I haven't been able to stress it
[21:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Ah. Haven't been able to get my hands on it yet, waiting for 13.10 to stabilize
[21:31] <manuelcua> I have three machines, and two of them are for testing.. the main one is for programming so I need it to be stable
[21:33] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm a bleeding-edge proponent, primary OS on a machine that used to run Windows 8 (UEFI and all)
[21:37] <manuelcua> nice, did you have to change the bios to legacy?
[21:39] <SonikkuAmerica> manuelcua: Nope! Didn't have to change a thing, in fact. Worked directly with Secure Boot, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.
[21:43] <manuelcua> Do you use Facebook chat with empathy?
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> I do. (Or try to... not one attempt with either Facebook or Jabber has worked since I installed any *buntu on this thing.)
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> In fact, I'm using Empathy to chat with you right now over IRC.
[21:47] <manuelcua> What did you use for that, I tried to find the account but I guess there's something else that needs to be installed
[21:47] <manuelcua> Before with Pidgin it woked out of the box..
[21:48] <manuelcua> and facebook hahaha
[21:48] <SonikkuAmerica> It still does, Pidgin. Xubuntu and Lubuntu come stock with it
[21:49] <manuelcua> I think there's a xchat with gnome integration.. I'm going to try that.
[21:49] <SonikkuAmerica> It's called xchat-gnome, and it's just XChat with a clunky wrapper.
[21:49] <manuelcua> Ahh.. meh..
[21:50] <SonikkuAmerica> In Empathy, to connect to an IRC network, press F4, click the little + sign, and select IRC from the drop-down menu near the top of the dialog box.
[21:51] <manuelcua> turns out it wasnt installed, I just installed it from atp
[21:51] <manuelcua> apt
[22:08] <manuelcua> Nope could not get it to work on empathy
[22:10] <SonikkuAmerica> manuelcua: Hmmm....
[22:10] <SonikkuAmerica> SonikkuAmerica: Do you have telepathy-idle installed?
[22:11] <manuelcua> let me se
[22:12] <manuelcua> Yes I do
[22:13] <SonikkuAmerica> manuelcua: Good... account-plugin-irc ?
[22:13] <manuelcua> yep
[22:14] <manuelcua> Tomorrow at night I will install 3.10 to see how it works on my machine
[22:14] <manuelcua> most of the apps I use have to be downloaded anyways.. so I guess there's no harm
[22:15] <SonikkuAmerica> manuelcua: And it's not in the list of accounts from Empathy's menu (NOT Online Accounts)
[22:15] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[22:16] <manuelcua> Yes it is, it just shows blank after I click it with a Done button on the side nothing more, and it does nothing hahaha
[22:16] <manuelcua> I removed it completely and installed it again and it didn't work..
[23:04] <menelkir> Upgrading to 13.10 via update-manager -d is sufficient to test and help debugging, right?