[06:37] morning everyone === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:32] Good morning peeps :) [08:34] morning [08:35] Morning? It's nearly afternoon already! [08:36] pip pip [08:36] Yes. It's nearly time for Shropgeek tomorrow morning [08:37] A sort of day off work === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:41] anyone know about SIP proxies? [08:42] I want to have something between handsets and an external SIP PBX that can pick up the inbound callerID and can initiate an outbound call [08:45] AlanBell: *? [08:45] AlanBell: of which I know diddly squat [08:46] that is one possibility, however it is kind of for people who don't want a local PBX === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [08:49] Good morning all; happy European Day of Languages! :-D [08:57] JamesTait: Och aye the noo? [08:57] Aye! [08:57] * bigcalm attempts to bait mgdm [09:01] morning all [09:03] good morning everyone, === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:26] \o/ http://popey.mooo.com/minecraft/ \o/ British Isles map [09:27] ?lastlog mgdm [09:27] oops [09:27] oh, it was bigcalm [09:27] remind me to abuse him later [09:28] Bwuhaha [09:30] popey: your connection being hammered now? [09:30] a bit [09:30] not too bad [09:31] * Seeker` wants to see BW graphs :P [09:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6158042/ [09:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6158047/ more history [09:37] i suspect there are a few people trying to find their own house on it [09:37] popey: give everyone access to your minecraft map so ubuntu users can build a house or something at their location :D [09:37] its open access [09:37] cool [09:38] same hostname [09:41] I'm in the sea [09:41] Which is 1 block deep [09:42] you spawn in the solent [09:42] between southampton water and the isle of wight [09:42] Yes [09:42] * popey opped bigcalm [09:42] Aww, I left [09:43] i know ☻ [09:46] Big Brother is watching [10:26] http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Region-SIM-Lock-bei-Samsungs-Galaxy-Note-3-1967044.html lol samsung [10:26] region locking phones [10:28] Wah, that's horrible [10:29] I wonder at what level that would be enforced. If one were able to run Ubuntu Touch on it, would it then work with any sim for instance? [10:30] what samsung don't need to do this [10:32] kiddies first day at nursery today...he's just a tad excited [10:32] hehe [10:32] bigcalm: dunno if it's done internally in the firmware [10:34] bigcalm: I think it's done in the 'baseband' bit (the bit that handles the air interface, as I understand it) === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad|afk [10:37] it may be that the RF strip only handles EU frequencies [10:38] any perlverts here? [10:38] in bash i can do: [10:38] cat users.csv.3|while IFS=, read firstname surname email username [10:38] do echo "$firstname|$surname|$email|$username" [10:38] done [10:39] how can i hack this into a perl script [10:39] the perl script already exists to create user accounts, taking arguments interactively on the command line [10:40] i want to either call the perl script with parameters or inesrt the loop in the perl script [10:43] oh god [10:43] I wanted to type renice [10:43] ended up typing remince [10:49] ok think i fixed my poblem by passing command line params to perl [10:51] directhex: thanks for the air tips, helped the guy test his app and he's going to update his kickstarter to reflect linux support... [10:51] \o/ [10:52] although he's currently trending towards ~54% of his goal ☹ [10:52] http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/770576827/color-0/ [10:53] \o/ Jabber [10:53] Jabber \o/ [10:53] I just typed remince again >.< [10:54] popey, i don't really have an understanding of the cost of development of a game on that scale, so i can't make an informed decision on whether to back it [10:54] popey: anything like http://www.amazon.com/Trinket-Studios-Inc-Color-Sheep/dp/B00DY8TLA0 ? [10:54] Shame about the spelling [10:54] popey, for every game kickstarter, i ask myself "how long will this take? how many people? how much am i effectively paying them?" - if the numbers don't add up, i don't back [10:55] tbh it looks mostly done [10:55] game mechanics wise, needs loads more levels [10:55] the framework is done, lots of interesting levels need designing [10:55] and there's some glitchy UI issues [10:56] interestingly it offers mouse or joypad to play [10:56] I used trackpoint which was way nicer [10:56] popey: I lol'ed at 'one horsepower' [10:56] felt like I really had direct control of the character with my finger [10:56] ☻ [10:56] I will probably back it when it updates with linux support [10:56] by "linux support" it means "install an outdated version of Adobe Air" [10:56] which works [10:57] but is a bit bleh [10:57] works well on my 1080p display i7, it's not exactly taxing [11:01] dogmatic69: that reply is getting a surprising number of faves and RT's [11:03] well JC has 2m + followers [11:03] and it was pretty funny imo [11:04] despite being a womanising cheat [11:05] lunchtime! [11:05] popey: about 2 or 3 already with the same response, yours was first though : [11:05] \o/ [11:05] popey, i guess i don't know what £5 is paying for. graph suggests about £2k4 on game development? what does that *mean*? [11:05] er, £5k [11:05] a full-time junior programmer for a month? [11:05] where do junior devs get £5k per month? [11:06] that is £60k pa [11:07] oh most of it will go to the HR department [11:07] because hiring a junior means they saved so much money, those savings go to their bonuses [11:08] IT job watch says otherwise http://awesomescreenshot.com/0c21rb7801 [11:10] dogmatic69, 2.4k on development costs, not 5k [11:10] dogmatic69, and the cost of hiring an employee is about double his or her salary alone - taxes, estates costs, equipment costs, etc [11:11] taxes? [11:12] well the employer has to contribute to national insurance [11:12] NI contributions etc [11:16] NI is deducted from the gross salary, HMRC "The amount you earn before tax and National Insurance are deducted is your 'gross salary'." [11:16] so no cost to the company over and above the salary. [11:16] Your contribution is [11:16] but the employer also contributes [11:17] at least, that's what I've always been lead to believe [11:20] Morning all [11:22] Hi davmor2 [11:26] morning davmor2 [11:26] hey bigcalm MooDoo :) [11:49] all right, my work PC is now buttered === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:06] SuperMatt: and jam? [12:06] no, just btrfs [12:28] http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/uva-the-linux-powered-games-console lol [12:28] SuperMatt: yay [12:28] brave [12:29] I know :/ [12:29] sounds a bit like ouya [12:29] It can't be *that* bad when you consider how many distros are now adding it as an option [12:29] and a bit ...biological. [12:30] 5 million though [12:30] and no one is going to say if it's production ready or not until *someone* bothers using it in production! [12:30] looks like a stretched wii [12:31] steam console will be re-purposable i'm sure [12:38] Anybody got a how to record skype calls handy? [12:43] FREAKING WIFI [12:43] popey, those gpu specs don't exist [12:43] the memory bandwidth and clock rate say Radeon HD 7950 Boost [12:44] also use of the term "stream processors" means AMD [12:44] but that's not a number of streams on any AMD GPU [12:44] oh [12:44] cpu is an amd a10-5800k [12:44] so he's adding together on-die gpu plus discrete gpu [12:44] in theory the latest version of fglrx supports this behaviour [12:44] basically, http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/05/04 [12:45] haha [12:45] bigcalm: skype call recorder, works fine [12:45] Just found it and it works for me as well [12:45] popey: thanks :) [12:45] np [12:52] oh man [12:52] sister's cat had been found dead in their garden [12:52] she called me in hysterics about an hour ago === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:53] awwww, no [12:53] :-( [12:56] ☹ [12:56] :( natural causes? [12:57] probably not, he was barely a year old [12:57] oh :( [13:01] never forget the day i saw one of a pair of kittens we had trying to walk back to the house but she couldn't co-ordinate herself [13:01] i think it was a brain tumour in the end [13:01] poor little thing === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [14:13] popey: do you have a saucy pc knocking about? If so could you open USC and let me know if the for purchase section is filling up nicely please :) [14:14] ya [14:15] it is [14:15] popey: \o/ ta [14:16] popey: only 830 to go [14:16] oof [14:16] Be nice when we switch to click packages for the desktop :D [14:19] * AlanBell starts USC [14:20] * AlanBell taps fingers and stares at a grey window [14:20] * AlanBell wonders if it is doing anything [14:20] oh, it crashed :( [14:21] took a second or two here [14:21] 3 seconds [14:22] ok, it runs from the command line [14:22] and now it starts in 5 seconds or so from the launcher [14:22] usc? [14:23] software-centre [14:23] ah. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:24] popey: indeed [14:24] i find as i get older i forget which spellings are the US and which are the British variant :< [14:25] daftykins: then you're using the americam variety :-p [14:25] american cameras? :> [14:25] lol [14:25] https://www.dropbox.com/s/ap43ou27y3lyx7i/IMG_20130926_135040.jpg [14:25] single finger typing [14:25] found this little guy hanging from my specs before [14:26] daftykins: yeah, cameras that send everything to the NSA ;) [14:28] MartijnVdS: please, that was so last month :( [14:28] daftykins: unfortunately, it's also this month [14:29] and beyond! === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:42] bash emergency! [14:42] mungbean: What's up? [14:42] cat bulk.csv|while IFS=, read firstname surname email username [14:42] do ./test.pl "$firstname" "$surname" $email $username [14:42] done [14:42] my test runs over the whole csv file [14:43] when i run it against a longer useradd script if only works for the first name in the list [14:46] any ideas? [14:46] I'd teach the perl script to do the split (using something like Text::CSV_XS, or just plain "split") [14:47] yes, but i'mnot v good at perl and time is of the essence :( [14:47] mungbean: my ($firstname, $surname, $email, $username) = split /,/, $ARGV[0]; [14:47] or similar [14:48] ( $fn, $sn, $email, $username ) = @ARGV; [14:48] i use that in the perl script [14:48] replace @ARGV with "split /,/, $ARGV[0]" [14:49] then which argument do i pass to the pl script? [14:49] and go: for x in `cat file`; do perl foo.pl $x; done [14:49] thanks, i'll try! [14:49] what was i doing wrong? [14:49] I have no idea, I'm baffled by harder shell code :) [14:49] (yet I know perl..) [14:52] hmm..doens't work [14:52] I really want to work out perl's more complex capabilities like redefining language constructs [14:53] having a language that can be entirely different just by loading a module sounds really fun to master [14:53] doesn't like it if a field is joe,bloggs senior,email,user [14:53] mungbean: try quoting $x in the do perl foo.pl "$x" [14:54] nope [14:54] shell expansions are a black art [14:54] its the way the perl is splitting it [15:10] diddledan: you don't want that in Perl, source filters are considered evil, and the new way to do it (manipulating the parse/optrees) is a bit of a black art [15:16] is the problem with my read line? [15:26] oddness. one of my external discs (I think) is causing IO to grind to a halt on my mac [15:27] D: [15:27] SMART status all green? [15:28] does SMART work over usb? [15:28] sometimes [15:29] and.. I can't check because my mac is unresponsive [15:29] I've got this terminal as the only functionable app [15:29] and irssi is running on a separate host [15:31] XD [15:32] my file server was freezing recently, in the early hours of the morning two saturdays in a row [15:32] turned it off, (a rare thing) reseated each disk connector and it's been fine since [15:36] and we just shut down with no warning - beyond a KP it was a hard power cycle without the friendly panic grey-screen-of-death [15:36] I reported the issue to apple [15:42] hah [15:42] how very optimistic of you, sir [15:42] it was their automatic crash reporting mechanism - I'm not expecting any return [15:42] i disable the Windows one ^_^ [15:43] yeah, I would disable this one, but it's not pirated :-p [15:50] (and/or I wasn't watching pr0n at the time of the crash) :-p [15:59] lol [15:59] MartijnVdS: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/089 [15:59] was my solution [15:59] had to add Hmm, nginx is being a tad stupid, I've set it up to basic auth my phpmyadmin install, it prompts for a password, and when you hit cancel, it just lets you in anyway. [16:04] * Azelphur facedsks [16:15] whoopsie 884 1 0 Sep25 ? 00:00:00 whoopsie [16:15] ^ is that a known thing? O_O [16:16] it's in my ps -ef output from a 12.04 VM [16:16] (server) [16:18] yeah [16:18] it gathers crashdumps [16:18] ah ok :) [16:18] thanks [16:18] it's half of whoopsie-daisy [16:18] XD [16:18] daisy being the backend [16:19] i'm playing with multi-user screen sessions [16:19] ☻ [16:19] I'm playing with lxc and I'm probably going to replace all my VMs with it [16:19] Ah yeah, containers are brilliant [16:19] for some things [16:19] well, most of the time I just need some kind of environment for testing conf changes [16:20] containers are *perfect* for that [16:20] yeah [16:20] I used VZ for a bit, but for some reason I use KVM now [16:20] well, virt-manager [16:20] * SuperMatt nods [16:20] I'm using that too for my windows 7 vms [16:20] because I can't escape that [16:20] but it's going to be nice to remove virtualbox [16:21] yeah, I stopped using VB because i didn't like the word 'Oracle' being everywhere [16:21] I don't like it either [16:22] I don't like the word oracle even existing in relation to a company - the whole thing is the opposite of google - they have the mantra of "do lots of evil" [16:23] I _hate_ that mysql and bdb and various other databases are all shoehorned into oracle ownership [16:23] hurrr [16:23] that's true [16:23] but I'm now using maria [16:24] effectively if it's sql and not microsoft then it's oracle [16:24] although I think postgres is still standalone? [16:24] it is [16:24] and I would love to move a lot of my stuff there [16:24] but a lot of my stuff only uses mysql -.- [16:24] I've never worked out how to use postgres [16:25] it's quite simple when you work your head around the security [16:25] I don't think the ubuntu blog explains it very well, but then again, I don't think anyone can explain it particularly well [16:25] yeah, I recall the security blocking me and me saying foo this [16:26] this was many years ago now tho [16:28] does anyone know why the user created by these mysql queries cannot login? http://pastebin.com/KzbyuKAR [16:28] I get access denied when trying to mysql -ualex -pPassword [16:28] Azelphur: you have a user account for ""@localhost which isn't allowed to login which gets matched first [16:29] replace the % with localhost and you'll be set [16:29] ah I see [16:29] you may need both @localhost and @% if you need to connect remotely [16:30] in addition to locally [16:30] damn my enter-key-happy pinkie finger! [16:32] locally is fine really, I should have set locally to start with [16:35] % matches localhost [16:36] BigRedS: yes, but localhost matches localhost first [16:41] oh [16:41] yeah [16:41] There's only about 20 lines of context and I still missed it... [16:46] !info libxmlrpc-c3 [16:46] Package libxmlrpc-c3 does not exist in quantal [16:46] so that appears to have gone, and I want it :( [16:47] !info libxmlrpc-c3-dev [16:47] libxmlrpc-c3-dev (source: xmlrpc-c): lightweight RPC library based on XML and HTTP [transitional package]. In component main, is optional. Version 1.16.33-3.1ubuntu6 (quantal), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB [16:47] but that is still there, wassup with that? [16:47] !info libxmlrpc-c [16:47] Package libxmlrpc-c does not exist in quantal [16:47] maybe the binary failed to build? [16:48] !info libxmlrpc-core-c3 [16:48] libxmlrpc-core-c3 (source: xmlrpc-c): lightweight RPC library based on XML and HTTP [C runtime libraries]. In component main, is optional. Version 1.16.33-3.1ubuntu6 (quantal), package size 177 kB, installed size 468 kB [16:48] so, now we have -core-c3, but I have a package that depends on the original thing (if in fact they are the same) [16:49] shouldn't -core-c3 "provide" -c3? [16:49] that way it can still be satisfactory in terms of reverse dependencies [16:54] I think it probably should [16:56] I don't get why it would have been renamed anywho [16:57] Replaces: libxmlrpc-c3, libxmlrpc-c3-0, libxmlrpc-core-c3-0 [16:57] so it has a replaces line, but not a provides [16:59] my naïveté says that replaces should be "good enough" for dpkg to say the package is installed === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [16:59] I'm betting that there's a reason it doesn't [16:59] https://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package [16:59] alan_g|EOD: EOD? End of Dave? [17:01] reah, method 2 has been traditionally what ubuntu has used [17:01] yeah* [17:01] afaict from anecdotal evidence [17:02] things like the rename of flash-player to flash-plugin-installer for e.g. [17:11] downloaded the deb and did a dpkg -i --force-depends on it === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [17:13] woot! [18:17] woot? [18:43] bigcalm: i got that QML camera working - it is packaged in ubuntu [18:44] ali1234: humm? [18:44] http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtmultimedia/multimediawidgets-declarative-camera.html [18:44] Ah [18:45] * bigcalm grumbles at learning another language [18:45] Blimey, Kubuntu has got Xye in the repository - I love this game! It's very like the BBC Micro game XOR. [18:45] it's in qtmobility-examples [18:45] it's only QML [18:47] I got the camera working in Ubuntu Touch. On the desktop it was fine. On the Galaxy Nexus, the image was sideways :) [18:48] sideways? [18:48] Sideways [18:48] how can it be sideways? [18:48] Rotated 90 deg [18:48] in the preview you mean? [18:48] It was only a quick test [18:48] is running on gnex a requirement? [18:49] Throwing the video thingy onto a page [18:49] No, just amused me [18:49] ubuntu touch is QML so it will do the same thing [18:49] probably [18:49] I'm going to be running it off a laptop and displayed on a 10" touch screen [18:50] QML is really perfect for kiosk style apps like this [18:50] it is exactly what it is designed for [18:50] assuming the Qt backend works, which it usually does [18:50] I need to give it another shot. Been worn down by work recently [18:51] what do you actually need aside from "press button, take photo"? [18:51] ali1234: instagram filters, "digital zoom" (crop & scale up) ? [18:52] flash on/off [18:52] /auto [18:52] the qml camera has flash on/off/auto [18:52] but not zoom/filters [18:52] those can of course be done afterwards [18:54] Video display of subject. Button to take photo. Count down before actually taking photo. Photo appears next to video with the option to discard. Repeat 4 times [18:54] Repeat per session [18:55] it doesn't have a countdown and there is no option to discard [18:55] but it has all the rest [18:55] I found an android app that does just that as described [18:56] It displayed the last 4 images taken and then starts a new session? [18:56] displays [18:56] no, it just saves every photo you take and runs indefinitely [18:56] it shows the photo after you take it though [18:56] but full screen [18:59] oh apparently it has zoom too [19:00] I'll give it a go in a bit [19:00] Sadly my 10" touch screen is at my parents' place. So will have to hope that laptop screen works for now [19:00] you probably need multitouch so you can pinch to zoom [19:01] there's no button for it that i can see [19:02] Not too interested in zooming. This is the screen: http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094861&id=14647624 [19:03] "multi-points" wonder if that means multi-touch [19:04] yeah it does [19:10] * bigcalm ponders nipping to down the M5 at the weekend to get the touch screen back [19:11] Telford -> Wolverhampton -> Worcester -> Shrewsbury -> Telford [19:11] Humm [19:45] How does one set *.md to be opened in ReText? [19:46] bigcalm: uhh.. [19:46] Yeah, I'm not seeing it either :) === Guest99809 is now known as webpigeon [19:46] mailcap? mime.types? [19:47] bigcalm: /etc/gnome/defaults.list seems to do what you want [19:48] but that's system-wide [19:48] there must be a way to do it in ~ [19:48] I'm happy for it to be system wide for my workstation. But I agree, there should be a per user option [19:50] probably http://askubuntu.com/questions/154906/which-default-list-should-i-modify-for-default-applications-and-what-are-the-dif [19:51]