[05:42] <Kilos> morning all
[06:41] <Kilos> hi mazal lemonxah Spaceghost 
[06:41] <lemonxah> lo
[07:02] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[07:03] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[07:03] <superfly> good afternoon Kilos
[07:03] <Kilos> hehe you also deurmekaar like the pro
[07:19] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:25] <Squirm> morning
[07:56] <Xethron> Hello Kilos 
[07:56] <Xethron> Hello superfly 
[08:49] <Kilos> hi Squirm psyatw 
[08:50] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:50] <psyatw> hi Squirm
[08:58] <superfly> hi Xethron, how goes?
[09:06] <Xethron> good good and there?
[09:07] <superfly> Well thanks.
[09:19] <Kilos> wb mazal wat sukkel jy so?
[09:32] <mazal> Hallo oom Kilos 
[09:32] <mazal> Ag ek is so gatvol vir die kamtige goeie moderne osse
[09:32] <Kilos> waarmee sukkel jy man
[09:32] <mazal> Alewig iets wat nie werk nie , of werk en volgende dag ophou werk vir geen rede nie
[09:33] <Kilos> op 12.04?
[09:33] <mazal> Currently my pc refuse to see any pc on the network , including myself
[09:33] <Kilos> oh my
[09:33] <mazal> 12.04 64bit , updated till today
[09:33] <mazal> When going to "Browse network" in nautilus I see nothing
[09:34] <Kilos> not router probs?
[09:34] <mazal> My own pc and a 2nd pc ( also 12.04) on the same network connected to a router and using dhcp
[09:34] <mazal> Router is fine as I have internet access
[09:34] <Kilos> ya but isnt it blocking this pc?
[09:35] <Kilos> the inbuild firewall or the settings
[09:35] <Kilos> try go into it from this pc
[09:36] <superfly> mazal: do you have smb-common installed?
[09:36] <superfly> and smb-client?
[09:36] <mazal> Lemme see hang on
[09:36] <mazal> Quickets way to see that ?
[09:36] <superfly> mazal: remember, Windows implements TCP/IP on top of NetBEUI (the most arcane way to do things) which is why it can see all the other Windows machines on a network
[09:36] <mazal> quickest even ?
[09:36] <Kilos> hehe i look in synaptic
[09:37] <superfly> mazal: erm, aptitude search smb-common
[09:37] <superfly> (or is it "samba-common")
[09:37] <superfly> mazal: so all the Windows machines broadcast themselves over NetBEUI
[09:37] <mazal> samba-common installed yes
[09:37] <superfly> and the Linux boxes, which do things the sane way, don't see the Windows boxes
[09:37] <mazal> smb-client no , I have a libsmbclient
[09:37] <mazal> I assume that's it
[09:37] <superfly> that'll do
[09:38] <mazal> Yesterday we saw each other on the network and accessed samba share
[09:38] <mazal> Now we can't see my pc
[09:38] <mazal> Nothing was added , except java
[09:39] <mazal> Can't even see myself :-(
[09:39] <mazal> Tried re-installing samba , but didn't help
[09:39] <Kilos> smb-client must be installed too
[09:39] <mazal> it is
[09:39] <Kilos> i even have it here
[09:40] <mazal> libsmbclient
[09:40] <Kilos> no man not only the lib
[09:40] <Kilos> smb-client
[09:40] <mazal> " no package named smb-client "
[09:41] <mazal> That's what ubuntu says
[09:41] <Kilos> smbclient
[09:42] <mazal> Already installed
[09:42] <Kilos> you have the routers http addy?
[09:43] <mazal> Only ip
[09:43] <mazal> On it now , what is there that can affect it ?
[09:44] <Kilos> you need to read the book. i forget all the stuff in there
[09:45] <Kilos> most likely some setting is disabled
[09:46] <Kilos> maybe a power cut or something and settings werent saved
[09:48] <mazal> I seriously doubt the router can affect samba
[09:48] <mazal> It is ging ip's and access correctly
[09:48] <mazal> giving
[09:49] <Kilos> i dunno then
[09:49] <Kilos> need expert help
[09:52] <mazal> Can ping both pc's visa versa
[09:53] <mazal> Problem now is , with " browse network " not showing any pc's I don't know how to access my samba share :-(
[09:53] <Kilos> ai!
[09:54] <Kilos> what did you do differently from yesterday
[09:54] <mazal> Nothing
[09:54] <mazal> Stupid crap software that just stop working for nothing
[09:54] <Kilos> was pc connected all the time?
[09:54] <mazal> Nope , is shut down at night
[09:54] <Kilos> do you have synaptic installed
[09:56] <mazal> yep
[09:57] <Kilos> when i have probs i use synaptic to reinstall everything in the prob area
[09:57] <Kilos> type smbclient in and reinstall them all and watch
[09:58] <Kilos> maybe one package has a broken file somewhere
[10:04] <mazal> re-installed again , still the same
[10:04] <Kilos> oh my
[10:04] <mazal> Ok so what is the non-nautilus way to access a samba share ?
[10:06] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/50197/cannot-connect-to-samba-share-from-nautilus
[10:06] <Kilos> is that your prob
[10:08] <mazal> Nope , that guy can see pc's and shares , my nautilus sees nothing , not even a pc name
[10:10] <Kilos> ai!
[10:15] <Kilos> Maaz, google nautilus cant see other pcs or shares on 12.04
[10:15] <Maaz> Kilos: "12.04 - Why I cannot see network shares on nautilus? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/263467/why-i-cannot-see-network-shares-on-nautilus :: "nautilus - share folders between two Ubuntu 12.04 machines - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/176248/share-folders-between-two-ubuntu-12-04-machines :: "12.04 - Can't see other computer on network -
[10:15] <Maaz> Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/198660/cant-see-other-computer-on-network :: "…
[10:15] <Kilos> someone else must have had the prob
[10:34] <mazal> I found the prob oom Kilos 
[10:34] <mazal> Lemme show you
[10:35] <Kilos> ok
[10:35] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[10:35] <mazal> in etc/samba/smb.conf there is this line :
[10:35] <mazal> interfaces = 127.0.0.0/8 eth2
[10:35] <mazal> It was
[10:36] <mazal> interfaces = 127.0.0.0/8 eth0
[10:36] <Kilos> aha
[10:36] <Kilos> wrong socket
[10:36] <mazal> My interface magically changed from eth0 to eth2
[10:36] <Kilos> well done
[10:36] <mazal> From yesterday
[10:36] <Kilos> but how did it work yesterday
[10:36] <mazal> So I changed that in smb.conf , now it works
[10:36] <Kilos> well done
[10:37] <mazal> So now the question is , why did my interface name change from eth0 to eth2 today ?
[10:37] <tumbleweed> did you change your network card?
[10:38] <mazal> And what sets that ?
[10:38] <mazal> Nope tumbleweed 
[10:38] <tumbleweed> look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[10:41] <mazal> K I see thanx , 4 defined there
[10:41] <mazal> How am I gonna remember this file
[10:42] <bduk> Morning evryone
[10:42] <Kilos> save it on desktop
[10:42] <mazal> So that file binds the interface name to the mac adress upon boot-up yes ?
[10:48] <mazal> Shees I even did adress reserving on my router to try and find the problem :-P
[11:43] <mazal> Oom Kilos ek is nou ten volle terug op 12.04 en het nou uiteindelik 'n install soos ek wou hê. 1 External drive wat ek op al 3 my pc's mee werk
[11:44] <Kilos> mooi
[11:54] <Kilos> weet jy hoekom dit vergeet het van eth0 mazal ?
[11:55] <mazal> Nope
[11:55] <mazal> Logika sê vir my hoekom , daar meer as een entry in daai file van my is
[11:56] <mazal> Ek werk op meer as een pc met die install , MAAR , vanaf gister tot nou toe was ek net op die een pc. Dan moes hy gister ook nie gewerk het nie
[11:56] <mazal> Ek sal nou maar elke keer net gou kyk wat my interface name is en smb.conf edit en restart vir die dag
[11:57] <Kilos> kan die router die interface naam verander?
[11:58] <mazal> Nope linuc doen dit
[11:58] <mazal> linux even
[11:58] <mazal> Hy het al 3 verskillende kaarte in die file ( die 3 verskillende pc's wat die install op werk)
[11:58] <Kilos> sommer op sy uie?
[11:58] <Kilos> of nm
[11:58] <mazal> Ja op sy eie , hy dink dis nuwe kaart wat install is
[11:58] <Kilos> eie
[11:59] <Kilos> ai!
[11:59] <mazal> BV op die pc sal nou elke keer eth2 wees , want die pc se mac adress point soontoe , die router het geen effek op dit nie
[11:59] <Kilos> ah
[11:59] <mazal> eth0 en 1 het ander macs in , ek neem aan een is my pc by die huis en die ander een is my laptop
[11:59] <Kilos> dit gee net ip adresse
[12:00] <mazal> Maak als lekker sin , behalwe vir dat hy gister gewerk het , hy moes gister ook nie gewerk het nie
[12:00] <Kilos> hehe
[12:00] <Kilos> se dankie vit die wandel bossie
[12:01] <Kilos> hy baie slim
[12:01] <mazal> Jy sien , elke keer as linux 'n nuwe kaart sien dan dink hy dis nuwe kaart wat install is en gaan sit sy mac adress en nuwe interface naam in daai file.
[12:01] <mazal> Linux lyk my kannie default na net 1 kaart toe nie
[12:02] <mazal> Hy gaan clear nie die huidige entry nie , maar gaan skryf 'n nuwe een met nuwe interface naam
[12:02] <Kilos> ah
[12:02] <mazal> Dis hoe dit vir my lyk anyway
[12:03] <mazal> Mens kan sekerlik die vorige entries gaan uithaal en jou huidige mac by eth0 insit. Ek dink dit sal werk ook
[12:03] <mazal> Maar dis net opsie as mens kaart vervang het. Vir my is dit nie opsie nie
[12:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:04] <mazal> So nou het ek uiteindelik 'n "raoming os" soos ek wou hê , maar nou is daar weer ander issue :-P
[12:04] <Kilos> hehe
[12:05] <mazal> So elke keer wat ek samba nodig het moet ek either die smb.conf gaan edit met daai huidige pc se interface naam , of daai interface file en macs rondskuif. Ek sal die eerste opsie doen , makliker en viniger
[12:06] <mazal> En dit sal ook net nodig wees as ek samba by 'n ander pc as die een nodig het. As ek hom net hier gebruik kan dit so bly
[12:06] <Kilos> wel darem weet jy nou waar om te soek
[12:07] <mazal> Yep
[12:07] <mazal> Wat my nou worry is wat anders bind na interface name toe
[12:07] <mazal> Want dit als sal dan ook nie werk nie
[12:07] <Kilos> ai!
[12:19] <mazal> Weet oom dalk waar lê apache se config file ?
[12:20] <superfly> anyone else on Afrihost?
[12:37] <Kilos> nee mazal ek dom met al daai goed
[12:37] <Kilos> weet net waar is /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:49] <mazal> hehehe
[12:49] <mazal> Ja nee ek soek my ook gewoonlik flou
[12:49] <mazal> Enjoy the evening everyone
[12:49] <mazal> Cheers
[13:47] <Vince-0> we going to the House4Hack KZN venue tonight!
[15:21] <Kilos> whew you get home quick Vince-0 
[15:23] <Vince-0> yes indeed! It is the best part of my day
[15:24] <Kilos> hehe
[18:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:31] <magespawn> Good evening
[19:10] <superfly> hey magespawn, how goes?
[19:10]  * superfly eyes Mezenir
[19:34] <smile> Bye, good night! :)
[20:07] <magespawn> Good and yourself superfly
[20:07] <magespawn> ?
[20:19] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos i will be back soon and i am loving opera on my tablet
[20:19] <Maaz> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[20:20] <superfly> magespawn: yep, all good here
[20:20] <superfly> magespawn: how's the new job going?
[20:21] <magespawn> Hectic, and only officially start full time next Tuesday
[20:29] <magespawn> Good night all