| GridCube | knome, ping | 01:21 |
|---|---|---|
| Unit193 | Bleh. | 01:24 |
| GridCube | bleh? | 01:24 |
| GridCube | D: | 01:24 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, blues says we did switch to xfce4-datetime-plugin, but then back to orage. :/ | 01:24 |
| elfy | knome: so we've got 3 tests done on the b2 again since it was respun - I'm at work till ~17:00 | 07:03 |
| Noskcaj | elfy, Let me know if there's any bugs that need confirming. There's not much i can do other than that | 07:06 |
| elfy | bugs we saw are all listed on http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1310Beta2Release | 07:06 |
| elfy | Noskcaj: did you catch that last message from me | 07:08 |
| Noskcaj | no | 07:08 |
| elfy | bugs we saw are all listed on http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1310Beta2Release | 07:08 |
| Noskcaj | ok, thanks. I'll see if that page will load | 07:09 |
| elfy | I can mail it to you if you want | 07:10 |
| ochosi | brainwash: quick update, robert_ancell suggested digging indicator-session for bug #1226509 | 08:46 |
| ubottu | bug 1226509 in systemd (Ubuntu) "lightdm_get_can_restart returns false in Ubuntu Saucy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226509 | 08:46 |
| brainwash | ochosi: but the strange policy difference will remain | 08:51 |
| ochosi | indeed | 08:52 |
| brainwash | and that is the core issue | 08:52 |
| brainwash | why is it different? | 08:53 |
| ochosi | ask the polkit guys (i guess) | 08:53 |
| brainwash | why is there a difference between reboot and poweroff | 08:53 |
| ochosi | robert also didn't know an answer | 08:53 |
| brainwash | hmpf | 08:53 |
| ochosi | yup | 08:54 |
| brainwash | indicator-session is not installed by default, so it would need to be added to xubuntu | 08:55 |
| ochosi | no, the idea is to investigate why it allows reboot | 08:56 |
| ochosi | see what it does differently | 08:56 |
| brainwash | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/login/org.freedesktop.login1.policy.in | 08:58 |
| brainwash | no change in upstream | 08:58 |
| brainwash | or maybe something else is wrong here, why does the multiple-sessions rule apply after logging out completely? | 09:00 |
| brainwash | s/rule/policy/ | 09:00 |
| ochosi | not sure either | 09:01 |
| ochosi | so far the greeter was only using lightdm's interface to check this kind of stuff | 09:01 |
| ochosi | so we never really dealt with it | 09:01 |
| brainwash | looks like a real expert is needed here | 09:02 |
| brainwash | for this systemd/logind issue | 09:02 |
| ochosi | yeah, seems like it | 09:13 |
| bluesabre | good luck finding one of those | 09:16 |
| brainwash_ | file a bug report upstream? | 09:18 |
| brainwash_ | file a bug report upstream? | 09:19 |
| brainwash_ | and ask about the different policy rules and why logind thinks that multiple sessions are running | 09:20 |
| === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash | ||
| ochosi | i guess asking people who use the greeter on a non-ubuntu distro with systemd could help | 09:24 |
| bluesabre | soooo... Corsac? | 09:25 |
| ochosi | i was actually thinking about cavalier | 09:29 |
| ochosi | not sure debian uses systemd atm | 09:29 |
| ochosi | and morning bluesabre | 09:30 |
| ochosi | congrats on yet another sponsored upload | 09:30 |
| knome | g'day | 09:33 |
| knome | so we were respun for a new ubiquity | 09:36 |
| knome | and no need to lose our sleep for getting all the tests in again | 09:36 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: oh, something got uploaded? | 09:39 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: catfish 0.8.2 | 09:39 |
| bluesabre | woop! | 09:39 |
| brainwash | ochosi: maybe pitti could help us with logind | 09:41 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: have you been getting update notifications in saucy? | 09:43 |
| ochosi | possible, dunno | 09:43 |
| ochosi | you mean as an indicator? | 09:43 |
| bluesabre | as in anything outside of manually checking for updates | 09:44 |
| ochosi | nope | 09:44 |
| ochosi | brainwash: feel free to get in touch with him! | 09:44 |
| ochosi | brainwash: also: i'm considering to revamp a few style elements of the greeter, which is why the patch for the context-menu is still only local | 09:44 |
| bluesabre | I'm not sure the update manager actually works by itself anymore once they got rid of the auto-launch key | 09:44 |
| ochosi | hm, no clue tbh | 09:45 |
| ochosi | but i have to admit i always disable that | 09:45 |
| ochosi | because i hate the update-checking process spontaneously eating up my cpu | 09:45 |
| ochosi | so maybe it's also a good thing ;) | 09:45 |
| bluesabre | except, you know, for security updates :D | 09:46 |
| ochosi | :) | 09:46 |
| ochosi | anyway, gotta go, bbl | 09:46 |
| bluesabre | seeya | 09:46 |
| brainwash | but an autostart entry still exists, doesn't it? | 09:46 |
| bluesabre | yeah, it does | 09:47 |
| bluesabre | I wonder what the update frequency is | 09:47 |
| brainwash | ochosi: do you "know" him? I don't | 09:47 |
| brainwash | bug 947008 | 09:59 |
| ubottu | bug 947008 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "update-notifier inappropriately uses an indicator menu if xubuntu-desktop is installed" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947008 | 09:59 |
| brainwash | ochosi: regarding the greeter revamp, will (or can) it be included before final release? | 10:24 |
| brainwash | ochosi: there is a black border in the import dialog of seahorse, maybe it's related to the abiword black border? | 12:33 |
| knome | brainwash, what revamp? | 12:35 |
| brainwash | knome: just minor changes -> bug 1227735 | 12:41 |
| ubottu | bug 1227735 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "lightdm-gtk-greeter: disable/fix password input field context menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227735 | 12:42 |
| knome | aha | 12:42 |
| knome | maybe. | 12:42 |
| knome | linked it to the development blueprint | 12:43 |
| knome | and fixed statuses | 12:43 |
| elfy | afternoon | 12:43 |
| knome | hey elf | 12:43 |
| knome | y | 12:43 |
| elfy | for a short while | 12:43 |
| knome | elfy, the respin was due to a new ubiquity upload | 12:44 |
| knome | elfy, no worries re: getting all images tested again | 12:44 |
| elfy | yea - sort of got that in the end | 12:44 |
| elfy | yep | 12:44 |
| elfy | I wanted to do one to see if I got that odd kernel message | 12:44 |
| knome | i've got that with some images sometimes, but ignoring has always worked | 12:45 |
| brainwash | odd kernel message? | 12:45 |
| elfy | yep - same | 12:45 |
| elfy | I say - same - but I'd never seen it prior to saucy | 12:45 |
| brainwash | most of them are odd.. and strange.. and weird :) | 12:45 |
| knome | brainwash, bug 1220165 | 12:46 |
| ubottu | bug 1220165 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Error reading xfs partitions" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220165 | 12:46 |
| elfy | knome: shall I mark them ready then | 12:46 |
| knome | elfy, sure | 12:46 |
| elfy | done then | 12:47 |
| knome | that's definitely a common bug though | 12:47 |
| knome | so we don't have to worry about linking to that, it should be mentioned in the common infra notes, and if not, then it's probably not critical enough | 12:48 |
| elfy | and lots of different bugs it should be - mine was not xfs partitions | 12:48 |
| knome | i would imagine it's a single bug | 12:48 |
| elfy | yep - but people keep reporting against specific things like xfs/lvm | 12:48 |
| elfy | is what I meant | 12:48 |
| knome | yep | 12:48 |
| elfy | so - beta 2 testing - there were 83 test results recorded for us - I think that is a win \o/ | 12:49 |
| knome | yep, definitely | 12:49 |
| knome | now let's double that for RC ;) | 12:49 |
| knome | or at least hit 100 | 12:50 |
| knome | anyway, i'm off | 12:50 |
| knome | see you later :) | 12:50 |
| elfy | I has an idea - but not enough time to go over it now - we've got some time until then | 12:50 |
| knome | (release notes are prepared in the wiki, release announcement in the website, just needs publishing) | 12:50 |
| knome | -> | 12:51 |
| elfy | get 30 minutes for lunch | 12:51 |
| elfy | officially | 12:51 |
| knome | heh | 12:51 |
| knome | bon appetit | 12:51 |
| elfy | never eat until the evening - just drink gallons of tea | 12:51 |
| brainwash | ah dammit, nobody cares about my logind question in #ubuntu-devel | 12:57 |
| elfy | no-one cares or no-one has answered yet ... | 12:58 |
| brainwash | both, maybe I should address the question to someone directly | 12:59 |
| brainwash | ochosi: wait, I can only reproduce the black border in the import dialog of seahorse on one machine (graybird-git) | 13:14 |
| ochosi | brainwash: what black border do you mean? | 14:06 |
| ochosi | brainwash: and no, i don't "know" pitti either | 14:07 |
| brainwash | ochosi: http://oi41.tinypic.com/21owiyp.jpg | 14:23 |
| ochosi | brainwash: are you using the overlay-scrollbars? | 14:24 |
| brainwash | yes | 14:24 |
| ochosi | btw, that doesnt look like a standard widget to me | 14:24 |
| ochosi | well overlay-scrollbars only work with a patch that is not in git, but only in the ubuntu package (for obvious reasons) | 14:24 |
| ochosi | so that bugreport would be marked as invalid | 14:24 |
| brainwash | ok, thanks for clarifying | 14:26 |
| ochosi | no problem | 14:26 |
| ochosi | the border-lines in the sidebar are a bit ooto as well | 14:26 |
| brainwash | so it's not related to abiword | 14:26 |
| ochosi | nope | 14:26 |
| ochosi | so ppl on archlinux have the same issue with systemd and the greeter | 14:29 |
| brainwash | that's great :D | 14:29 |
| ochosi | yeah... | 14:29 |
| brainwash | do you want to file a bug report upstream? | 14:30 |
| brainwash | or do you consider switching to indicator-session anyway? | 14:30 |
| ochosi | nah, depending on indicators sucks because the greeter should also be used outside of ubuntuland | 14:51 |
| ochosi | theoretically we could try to work around the issue currently in xubuntu by using indicator-session | 14:57 |
| ochosi | but it would probably need a patch to work properly | 14:58 |
| brainwash | yea, we need a working solution for 13.10 | 14:58 |
| brainwash | requesting a change of the affected policy rule might take some time | 15:00 |
| brainwash | and backporting the changes to systemd 204 | 15:01 |
| ochosi | yeah | 15:02 |
| ochosi | i know, that's why i wanted to ask whether a workaround in the greeter would be acceptable | 15:02 |
| ochosi | but if robert_ancell doesn't know i don't know whom to ask | 15:02 |
| brainwash | on top of that, it's not clear who maintains the ubuntu systemd packages | 15:03 |
| ochosi | :/ | 15:03 |
| brainwash | why didn't I think of this earlier... #systemd | 15:06 |
| brainwash | the right channel for our question | 15:07 |
| PsynoKhi0 | Hi, I'm trying to install 13.10 beta 1 on a laptop with a broadcom wireless card, BCM4318, ubiquity gets stuck at "configuring bcmwl-kernel-source" | 15:08 |
| ochosi | PsynoKhi0: you can get support in #xubuntu, this is the development channel | 15:24 |
| knome | ochosi, he was pointed here from there :P | 15:24 |
| ochosi | oh, i see you got sent here | 15:24 |
| ochosi | well, i can't help anyway ;) | 15:25 |
| knome | PsynoKhi0, i suppose first download the daily (since you're running a non-stable version anyway), and if it persists, ask #ubuntu+1 and if they can't help, file a bug | 15:25 |
| PsynoKhi0 | knome: will do | 15:33 |
| knome | PsynoKhi0, thanks | 15:34 |
| knome | (official beta 2 images should be out todya) | 15:35 |
| knome | *today | 15:35 |
| PsynoKhi0 | hmm ok | 15:35 |
| knome | basically, the last daily image is the beta 2 image, unless it gets respun, which is unlikely but always possible | 15:41 |
| skellat | I'm not sure where to go with LP Bug #1231219 | 16:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1231219 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "Red circle with line where notification icon appears on panel" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231219 | 16:23 |
| knome | you can't confirm it? | 16:26 |
| skellat | Haven't got a VM set up yet | 16:26 |
| knome | hmm, that's a missing icon -icon | 16:27 |
| skellat | When something like that appears, usually it means you need to mouse over and click for more info | 16:27 |
| knome | yep, we should know what indicator it is | 16:27 |
| skellat | I was out handling firewood at The Farm yesterday | 16:27 |
| knome | wondering if they are using the default icon theme | 16:27 |
| skellat | knome: Without a tooltip or anything showing...what was showing could be any of a number of possible indicators | 16:28 |
| knome | yep. | 16:28 |
| knome | commented. unless he gives more information, we can pretty safely dismiss. | 16:29 |
| skellat | That's why I flagged it incomplete | 16:29 |
| knome | yep | 16:29 |
| skellat | Are we ready to mark off the ISOs as ready? | 16:30 |
| knome | they are marked as ready | 16:30 |
| pleia2 | happy beta 2 day | 16:31 |
| knome | yay | 16:31 |
| knome | it is happy, now that pleia2 is here | 16:31 |
| skellat | I'm still trying to read through backlogs | 16:32 |
| skellat | What's our final count on "Known Issues"? | 16:32 |
| pleia2 | hah | 16:33 |
| knome | i linked four | 16:33 |
| pleia2 | our beta2 wiki page is lovely | 16:33 |
| pleia2 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Xubuntu | 16:33 |
| knome | there are obviously more bugs in the xubuntu product | 16:33 |
| * knome bows | 16:33 | |
| skellat | And it isn't even necessarily software we directly control either | 16:36 |
| skellat | That takes skills | 16:36 |
| skellat | :-) | 16:36 |
| * skellat heads to the kitchen | 16:36 | |
| knome | you have multiple heads? | 16:37 |
| knome | what are you going to cook with them? | 16:37 |
| knome | :P | 16:37 |
| GridCube | heads, he is cooking heads | 16:39 |
| GridCube | knome, got some minutes? | 16:39 |
| knome | yup. | 16:39 |
| knome | cooking heads and tails.. | 16:39 |
| GridCube | can we see the desktop of the week issue? :) | 16:40 |
| knome | pleia2, have some minutes? | 16:40 |
| knome | let me open up the admin interface for xubuntu.org | 16:40 |
| knome | bah, permission problems. | 16:41 |
| GridCube | yes | 16:41 |
| knome | no, i mean file access | 16:41 |
| knome | who shall kick IS this time? | 16:41 |
| GridCube | P: i dunno | 16:43 |
| knome | pleia2, RT #23091 | 16:45 |
| knome | what else? | 16:45 |
| elfy | evening all | 16:46 |
| GridCube | hi | 16:46 |
| GridCube | knome, so we can go over the things? | 16:47 |
| knome | GridCube, sure | 16:47 |
| GridCube | ok, so i got a few images, mine, unit193, and some others that dont have problems, or shouldnt have | 16:48 |
| knome | yup | 16:48 |
| knome | we should prepare the page on xubuntu.org | 16:48 |
| knome | pending on canonical IS :P | 16:48 |
| pleia2 | thanks knome | 16:49 |
| knome | np | 16:49 |
| knome | poked them, might get fixed in a minute | 16:49 |
| knome | it is a trivial issue altogether | 16:50 |
| elfy | knome: just a small point re the beta2 notes at wiki - we tell people that abiword has a black ruler - which is easy enough to deal with - but don't say anything about user admin crashing when adding users, not particularly worried just not seeing the logic in it :) | 16:51 |
| knome | elfy, let me tell you a secret... there is no logic in it | 16:52 |
| elfy | ok - that's sorted then :) | 16:52 |
| knome | elfy, if you think the users-admin bug is worth mentioning, feel free to go ahead and add it to the list - i'm fine with that | 16:53 |
| elfy | I might later aqfter some thought :) | 16:53 |
| knome | just don't think we want to list all bugs we've had, because that would pretty much defeat the purpose | 16:53 |
| knome | the list needs to be only so long that people actually read it | 16:54 |
| elfy | I understand that :) | 16:54 |
| brainwash | nm-applet and xfce4-indicator-plugin tend to "crash" alot on login | 16:56 |
| brainwash | it's like every 2nd login they decide to trigger apport :) | 16:56 |
| GridCube | knome, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/DesktopOfTheWeek | 17:06 |
| GridCube | updated the wiki list, the last two just need the users to update their licence, but they should be OK | 17:07 |
| knome | okay | 17:07 |
| knome | i need to document a plugin. | 17:08 |
| knome | http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=1801&preview=true | 17:15 |
| knome | we probably want bigger and more visible captions (and desciption in addition to title), right? | 17:16 |
| elfy | I'm sorry, but you're looking for something that is not here. | 17:16 |
| elfy | couldn't say :) | 17:16 |
| knome | elfy, login in at /wp-admin/ | 17:16 |
| knome | then reload the page | 17:16 |
| * elfy has no idea about that - think I've done it once :) | 17:17 | |
| knome | now you have some idea? ;) | 17:17 |
| elfy | yep :) | 17:18 |
| elfy | I'd agree with your comment ^^ | 17:19 |
| knome | that needs some css updates | 17:20 |
| * elfy wanders of into the corner of the room muttering about voodoo | 17:20 | |
| knome | heh | 17:21 |
| knome | i'm off now. i'll work on the general site updates and this when i have some time for that | 17:23 |
| knome | see you | 17:23 |
| elfy | cya later | 17:23 |
| elfy | knome: when we're both about in the nearish future - I'd like to grab 10 minutes - nothing urgent though | 17:23 |
| knome | well i can have that 10mins now, i have nothing i have to run to | 17:24 |
| elfy | ok - I can do it now | 17:24 |
| elfy | I'm just looking forward to testing etc for T cycle - I know we have social media things we can shout on - I'd like to see that happen, but I don't do so myself | 17:25 |
| knome | sure | 17:25 |
| knome | they are administrated by various people | 17:26 |
| elfy | also what's the chances of getting something a bit more prominent on xubuntu.org | 17:26 |
| knome | we should probably look into extending the admin groups for each during the T cycle | 17:26 |
| knome | pleia2, ^ | 17:26 |
| elfy | like kubuntu do - maybe announcements or links to the social things? | 17:26 |
| knome | well we have links on the footer | 17:26 |
| knome | and we can post blog articles | 17:27 |
| knome | i should go through some scenarios while i update the site looks | 17:27 |
| elfy | http://www.kubuntu.org/ the latest news/announcements thing | 17:27 |
| elfy | just a thought | 17:27 |
| elfy | I know we have links etc | 17:27 |
| knome | yeah, it's just about writing stuff and then publishing | 17:27 |
| knome | you can prepare articles yourself, people on ~xubuntu-web can help with publishing | 17:28 |
| knome | making everything a bit more readable is what the update is supposed to do | 17:28 |
| knome | http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/ is the staging site where i test various things | 17:28 |
| elfy | ok - that's good - I'm happy to look at writing things QA related that we can put there | 17:28 |
| knome | that still lacks various updates, but hey, it's something ;) | 17:29 |
| elfy | I just want to try and get QA/testing a bit more front of house than it is somehow | 17:29 |
| knome | yep, i understand that | 17:29 |
| elfy | wanted to get the conversation started | 17:29 |
| knome | so basically, just login to the site via wp-admin/ | 17:30 |
| knome | start a new article | 17:30 |
| knome | and poke me (or others in ~xubuntu-web) when you are somewhat ready to get that out | 17:30 |
| elfy | ok - that's enough for the moment then - thanks knome :) | 17:30 |
| knome | then we can prepare for publishing | 17:30 |
| elfy | ok - thanks :) | 17:30 |
| knome | when we publish news, we always push them to social media | 17:30 |
| knome | so that gets covered as well | 17:31 |
| elfy | right - wasn't sure of the way we did these things | 17:31 |
| knome | a lot of it is done by me and pleia2 some way or another, depending how much publicity we need | 17:31 |
| elfy | I understand that - I'll try not to bore you both with excessive demands :p | 17:32 |
| knome | no, that's fine | 17:33 |
| knome | as long as somebody else prepares the articles, i'm fine with pushing whatever | 17:33 |
| elfy | :) you can wander off now then | 17:33 |
| knome | hehe :) | 17:33 |
| knome | ok, have fun and catch you later | 17:34 |
| elfy | yep - proactive :) | 17:34 |
| ochosi | brainwash: btw, did you ask around on #systemd? | 18:03 |
| brainwash | ochosi: yea, but no activity in that channel | 18:05 |
| ochosi | mkay | 18:05 |
| ochosi | brainwash: have you tried to edit the policy, then logout and then use the restart-menuitem? | 18:06 |
| ochosi | i mean, does it even restart or does it ask for an admin pwd or anything? | 18:07 |
| brainwash | ochosi: of course, changed it and everything works like expected | 18:07 |
| ochosi | ok, thanks, will discuss the course of action with bluesabre once he's around | 18:07 |
| ochosi | and anyway, we'll have to test whether it also works if we just tweak the greeter, without touching the policy | 18:09 |
| brainwash | yes, it almost looks like lightdm-gtk-greeter is the only app relying on these policies | 18:11 |
| brainwash | oh nice, the session logout delay is getting fixed | 18:12 |
| ochosi | darn, it can't be fixed just in the greeter | 18:17 |
| brainwash | lightdm | 18:18 |
| ochosi | not really either | 18:18 |
| ochosi | i really have to check what they do in indicator-session... :s | 18:19 |
| brainwash | but lightdm evaluates the state of logind and its policies | 18:20 |
| ochosi | right, but it returns the policy correctly | 18:20 |
| ochosi | it'd be weird to break that | 18:20 |
| brainwash | yea, dirty workaround | 18:20 |
| ochosi | dirty dirty | 18:21 |
| brainwash | and maybe even risky | 18:21 |
| brainwash | nice, just installed ubuntu-desktop without recommended packages and unity appears to be broken | 18:22 |
| brainwash | (installed every desktop environment except kde) | 18:22 |
| brainwash | ochosi: poettering │ brainwash: well, is this logind on ubuntu? please talk to them, we don't support that upstream | 18:30 |
| ochosi | oh, the great poettering himself... | 18:30 |
| ochosi | but what does that mean? | 18:31 |
| ochosi | and also: the same thing happens on archlinux | 18:31 |
| ochosi | what did you ask him exactly? | 18:31 |
| brainwash | "why do the logind policy rules for "power-off-multiple-sessions" and "reboot-multiple-sessions" differ? and why does logind think that multiple sessions are running after logging out completely?" | 18:32 |
| brainwash | + bug report link | 18:32 |
| ochosi | ok cool | 18:32 |
| brainwash | are you in that channel also? | 18:33 |
| ochosi | yup | 18:33 |
| ochosi | just joined later than you asked | 18:33 |
| brainwash | ok, you can do the talk now | 18:33 |
| ochosi | we'll see... | 18:34 |
| brainwash | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=299404a19f26aa4f203042d8285ee0b7afa5bf40 | 18:37 |
| brainwash | ^ !!! | 18:37 |
| ochosi | :) | 18:37 |
| brainwash | success | 18:37 |
| ochosi | ok, wanna link to the commit in the bugreport? | 18:38 |
| ochosi | after all you figured it out | 18:38 |
| ochosi | (now we "only" have to find out who's responsible for pk on ubuntu and get in touch with them) | 18:38 |
| brainwash | how can I do it properly? | 18:38 |
| brainwash | no, the policy file is shipped with system | 18:39 |
| brainwash | systemd | 18:39 |
| brainwash | so we need to backport this commit =S | 18:40 |
| * ochosi starts chatting up mdeslaur | 18:41 | |
| brainwash | added a comment about the fix | 18:44 |
| ochosi | great, thanks! | 18:44 |
| ochosi | am already in touch with the systemd maintainer | 18:45 |
| ochosi | mdeslaur$ ochosi: ok, give me 10 minutes, and I'll upload a fix | 18:48 |
| ochosi | brainwash: ^ | 18:48 |
| brainwash | suddenly everything goes super fast :D | 18:49 |
| ochosi | haha | 18:49 |
| ochosi | indeed | 18:49 |
| ochosi | well done brainwash | 18:49 |
| ochosi | o/ | 18:49 |
| brainwash | hooray | 18:50 |
| ochosi | (that's an attempt to high5 you.. ;)) | 18:50 |
| brainwash | o/ | 18:50 |
| ochosi | \o | 18:50 |
| Unit193 | o/\o | 18:51 |
| ochosi | and there i was, thinking that we wouldn't get this fixed for 13.10 a few minutes ago | 18:51 |
| ochosi | thanks Unit193 for highlighting the concept (: | 18:51 |
| brainwash | that means more time to fix the abiword ruler :P | 18:51 |
| ochosi | oh that... | 18:52 |
| ochosi | yeah, i started reading the source, not very much fun as it's cpp and cross-platform | 18:52 |
| ochosi | but i'm on it, is what i'm saying, i guess | 18:53 |
| brainwash | the 10 people on this planet who actually use abiword and xubuntu will be very grateful :) | 18:53 |
| ochosi | abiword+xubuntu+greybird|bluebird | 18:54 |
| ochosi | if they use albatross or numix, it works | 18:54 |
| brainwash | isn't numix the black theme? | 18:55 |
| ochosi | it's darkish yeah | 18:55 |
| ochosi | dark menubar | 18:55 |
| brainwash | and the border around the document is black too, but the ruler is visible? | 18:56 |
| ochosi | no, it's all fine | 18:56 |
| ochosi | you have to switch theme first, and then start abiword | 18:56 |
| ochosi | gtk3 apps need restarts after theme-changes | 18:56 |
| ochosi | maybe that'll get fixed at some point | 18:56 |
| brainwash | ok, I'll test it on my test machine | 18:57 |
| ochosi | <cool | 18:57 |
| brainwash | yes, confirmed | 19:11 |
| brainwash | xfsettingsd stopped working (partially) due to installing all these desktop environments side by side | 19:12 |
| brainwash | and numix looks nice | 19:14 |
| brainwash | overall I mean | 19:15 |
| ochosi | yup, which is why we included it by default | 19:17 |
| ochosi | and i love that you can easily change the red to e.g. greybird's blue by using gtk-theme-config | 19:18 |
| ochosi | hmpf, even after reading the abiword source and getting a diff of the commit that supposedly fixed the colors in the rulers and page-background, i still don't know why it's not working... | 20:08 |
| brainwash | :( | 20:09 |
| brainwash | did you enable proposed? you should test the systemd fix | 20:10 |
| ochosi | cause judging from the code alone, it should work | 20:10 |
| ochosi | yeah, i'm about to test it, just updated the packages | 20:10 |
| pleia2 | I need to run out for a couple hours, looks like our announcement is pretty much prepped (thanks knome!) and just need to hit publish on zee blog when it's out | 20:10 |
| ochosi | brb | 20:10 |
| * pleia2 wanders toward the bay | 20:11 | |
| ochosi | brainwash: yup, works as expected | 20:14 |
| brainwash | ochosi: great, regarding the stupid abiword ruler, did you figure out why numix and greybird behave differently? | 20:30 |
| ochosi | nope | 20:30 |
| ochosi | no idea | 20:30 |
| ochosi | we (as in: satya and me) both compared the codebases of the themes and didn't find anything | 20:31 |
| ochosi | so not sure really what's going on there | 20:31 |
| brainwash | too bad I don't know much about css | 20:32 |
| brainwash | I could only test it with trial&error | 20:32 |
| ochosi | well as things stand, that's all we can do as well | 20:34 |
| ochosi | knowing css doesn't help much if you have no clue what to look for | 20:34 |
| brainwash | actually not worth the time, low priority bug | 20:39 |
| brainwash | workaround: use numix | 20:40 |
| brainwash | I fell in love with numix (and unity and unity-tweak-tool) | 20:41 |
| ochosi | well thing is that it's a default app with our default theme... | 20:41 |
| ochosi | but yeah, i'll leave it for a rainy day | 20:42 |
| ochosi | night everyone! | 20:42 |
| brainwash | good night | 20:42 |
| ali1234 | brainwash: systemd fix? you mean upstart right? | 20:49 |
| brainwash | systemd/logind | 20:49 |
| brainwash | bug 1226509 | 20:50 |
| ubottu | bug 1226509 in systemd (Ubuntu) "lightdm_get_can_restart returns false in Ubuntu Saucy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226509 | 20:50 |
| brainwash | ah yes, james hunt also fixed the upstart delay thingy | 20:50 |
| brainwash | bug 1227212 | 20:50 |
| ubottu | bug 1227212 in upstart "Session logout takes too long" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227212 | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | yeah there's a patch, dunno if it is available anywhere built | 20:51 |
| brainwash | I'm fine without the "benefits" of upstart user sessions, so I leave it disabled :P | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | i prefer an orderly shutdown | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | when i shutdown it is usually a last resort anyway | 20:54 |
| brainwash | now with the pending fix things should work normally again I hope | 20:55 |
| brainwash | abiword ruler mystery [solved] | 22:07 |
| brainwash | wasn't even that hard to find the "buggy" style element | 22:08 |
| brainwash | ochosi: http://lpaste.net/93462 | 22:24 |
| brainwash | any thoughts regarding this issue bug 1221809 ? | 22:33 |
| ubottu | bug 1221809 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "systemd-shim removal causes restart to logout" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1221809 | 22:33 |
| brainwash | it might affected people who somehow removed systemd-shim and upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 | 22:35 |
| brainwash | should be a rare case I guess | 22:36 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: the abiword rulers are too dark with orion as well. probably the same thing | 23:16 |
| knome | pleia2, see -offtopic, "release" if you wish :) | 23:33 |
| knome | -> | 23:33 |
| pleia2 | I'm awake for a long time | 23:33 |
| pleia2 | only 4:30 pm here :) | 23:33 |
| pleia2 | I don't mind waiting until all the dust settles everywhere | 23:34 |
| brainwash | ali1234: yes, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1031137/comments/5 | 23:34 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1031137 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Abiword has strange black color" [Undecided,In progress] | 23:34 |
| brainwash | ali1234: did you test my fix for greybird? | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | no but i looked at it and i don't understand why it fixes it | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | the gradient should evaluate to almost exactly the same | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | maybe the widget doesn't support background-image? | 23:36 |
| brainwash | I have no clue.. just did some trial&error debugging | 23:37 |
| brainwash | suspending for a longer time frame seems to cause some unexpected behavior on my laptop, logind won't permit any operation (suspend, reboot, shutdown) after successfully resuming | 23:42 |
| brainwash | maybe anyone else can confirm this | 23:43 |
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