| ahoneybun | Howdy | 00:56 |
|---|---|---|
| ahoneybun | Hey valorie | 00:57 |
| ahoneybun | Hey lordievader | 00:57 |
| === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh | ||
| soee | good morning | 06:17 |
| Guest2126 | houston we got a problem | 06:43 |
| Guest2126 | uefi mode activated + kubuntu = mess system with a nice grub in minimal mode result | 06:44 |
| Guest2126 | Riddell: uefi on + kubuntu = installation went good but then you can't boot ... | 06:46 |
| valorie | hmm, I missed aaron again | 07:07 |
| valorie | sadness | 07:07 |
| cortexA9 | hello | 08:08 |
| jussi | morning cortexA9 | 08:16 |
| Riddell | morning | 08:17 |
| cortexA9 | morning Riddell | 08:25 |
| cortexA9 | morning jussi | 08:26 |
| apachelogger | oh, setting is broken | 08:36 |
| apachelogger | hooray | 08:36 |
| apachelogger | Riddell, shadeslayer: bug 1003398 be resolved now? | 08:51 |
| ubottu | bug 1003398 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "[regression] kwallet asking for initial password" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1003398 | 08:51 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I think so but I'd like to double check to make sure | 08:55 |
| apachelogger | Uploading kubuntu-settings_13.10ubuntu11_source.changes: done. | 08:57 |
| apachelogger | Successfully uploaded packages. | 08:57 |
| apachelogger | ^ prevents postinst/postrm from ever falling over because a subscript exited !0 and fixes previous FTBFS | 08:57 |
| * apachelogger wonders why dolphin recommends ruby | 09:05 | |
| soee | oh i have one question | 09:05 |
| soee | the new NM - is it possible to store wifi password ? | 09:06 |
| soee | it asks me for it after each boot | 09:06 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ^ :O | 09:09 |
| Tm_T | soee: define "the new" | 09:09 |
| soee | Tm_T, the new plasma applet written with qml | 09:10 |
| soee | it comes by default with saucy | 09:11 |
| Tm_T | righto | 09:11 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: - dolphin suggests and not recommends ruby | 09:11 |
| apachelogger | why did you drop that in the mergE? | 09:11 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: probably an oversight | 09:17 |
| apachelogger | src/settings/services/servicemenudeinstallation:#!/usr/bin/env ruby | 09:17 |
| apachelogger | src/settings/services/servicemenuinstallation:#!/usr/bin/env ruby | 09:17 |
| apachelogger | oh | 09:17 |
| apachelogger | it's to isntall servicemenu scripties | 09:18 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: given increased ISO size I think that is worthwhile supporting | 09:18 |
| apachelogger | although I do not know why that could not have been implemented using sh upstream :S | 09:18 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.kde.org/p323a5f1b/ | 09:19 |
| apachelogger | it's really just a glorified bash script | 09:19 |
| apachelogger | ohohoho | 09:23 |
| apachelogger | agateau: does the ubiquity sidebar thing actually scale? | 09:23 |
| apachelogger | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/27/plasma-desktopIx2321.png | 09:24 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: bug 1001630 .. what do we do with that? | 09:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1001630 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "xubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop etc. no longer upload crash reports as of Precise" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1001630 | 09:25 |
| apachelogger | is jonthetaco MIA? | 09:27 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: do you know the background story on bug 1078379 ? | 09:27 |
| ubottu | bug 1078379 in jockey (Ubuntu) "Jockey-KDE doesn't show drivers versions" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078379 | 09:27 |
| apachelogger | I seem to recall mails about jockey being discontinued | 09:28 |
| apachelogger | alas I thought someone other than me was following up on that | 09:28 |
| jussi | sigh | 09:46 |
| jussi | saucy still wont log in for me... | 09:46 |
| jussi | wonder what crazy setting Ive got that I need to be rid of. Anyone for telling me where to find a log which could help? | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | jussi: .xsession-errors | 09:48 |
| jussi | init: startkde main process (1920) killed by TERM signal | 09:50 |
| jussi | not much help that one | 09:50 |
| jussi | apachelogger: anything else ? | 09:51 |
| apachelogger | X explodes :P | 09:51 |
| debfx | .xsession-errors is no more, the upstart user session logs to ~/.cache/upstart/startkde.log | 09:51 |
| apachelogger | ah | 09:51 |
| apachelogger | go ubuntu | 09:51 |
| apachelogger | go systemd | 09:51 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 09:51 |
| debfx | is that you volunteering to bring systemd to ubuntu? ;) | 09:53 |
| apachelogger | that's why we have no .xsession-errors | 09:53 |
| apachelogger | upstart teaming up with systemd to bring us excellent per-application logging | 09:54 |
| jussi | hrr | 09:56 |
| jussi | I dont see anything that helps me here | 09:56 |
| jussi | but then again, my expertise is not that high | 09:56 |
| jussi | bunch of stuff about akonadi exiting | 09:57 |
| agateau | apachelogger: damn german language, can't you use spaces sometimes? :) | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | computer says no :P | 09:58 |
| agateau | apachelogger: guess my code wraps at word boundaries, so it fails there | 09:58 |
| jussi | so what kind of thing should I be looking for? | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | jussi: a paste website :P | 10:01 |
| === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu | https://trello.com/kubuntu | Pad: http://goo.gl/It6HGW 4.11.1 S/achv R+P/bpo | bugs http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | 13.10 Beta 2 released | ||
| smartboyhw | Riddell, but have you sent out the announcements yet? | 10:01 |
| jussi | apachelogger: is it "safe" to pastebin that file? no nasty personal info? | 10:01 |
| jussi | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162136/ | 10:04 |
| apachelogger | jussi: if someone debug prints personal info they probably should be shot on sight :P | 10:05 |
| jussi | apachelogger: fair point | 10:05 |
| jussi | anyway, that seems to be missign a few lines... | 10:05 |
| jussi | hrr | 10:06 |
| jussi | nano says 11738 lines... :/ | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | oh nice it piles up sessions in the same file | 10:07 |
| jussi | yay | 10:07 |
| apachelogger | why that is vastly superior to .xsession-errors | 10:07 |
| apachelogger | now I get to not only search the trace of breakage but also the start of the flipping last session | 10:08 |
| apachelogger | I am in love with this change already | 10:08 |
| jussi | apachelogger: any thoughts on the issue at hand though? | 10:12 |
| jussi | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162192/ | 10:17 |
| jussi | seems that was missing from the paste for some reason? | 10:17 |
| apachelogger | jussi: do you use session restore | 10:18 |
| apachelogger | i.e. does your session restore after login | 10:18 |
| jussi | yes | 10:18 |
| apachelogger | that could be the problem | 10:18 |
| Riddell | ooh beta 2 is out | 10:18 |
| apachelogger | jussi: mv .kde//share/config/session ~/ | 10:19 |
| apachelogger | then try again | 10:19 |
| jussi | with the double slash? | 10:22 |
| apachelogger | jussi: doesn't matter, but no | 10:22 |
| jussi | apachelogger: unfortunately didnt help | 10:27 |
| apachelogger | jussi: new log please | 10:31 |
| apachelogger | should be cleaner at least | 10:31 |
| apachelogger | oh | 10:31 |
| apachelogger | wait | 10:31 |
| jussi | apachelogger: it looks same as before... :/ sec | 10:31 |
| jussi | Ill give you the "tail" ? | 10:31 |
| jussi | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162219/ | 10:31 |
| apachelogger | jussi: echo "DisableAll=false" > ~/.kde/share/config/kdebugrc | 10:31 |
| apachelogger | tail is not enough | 10:31 |
| apachelogger | jussi: you could just rm the log before login | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | then it will only contain that one session | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | reducing paste load and eaiser to read ^^ | 10:32 |
| jussi | apachelogger: ok, allow me to do so. | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | and do that kdeburc thing from above | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | jussi: I still think your X explodes though | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | and actually | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | [9960:9960:0923/183326:ERROR:chrome_browser_main_x11.cc(62)] X IO error received (X server probably went away) | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | why would chrome show up if the session is clean | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | :O | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | oh I am being silly | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | jussi: also mv ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc ~/ | 10:34 |
| jussi | hrm, weird | 10:35 |
| jussi | that startkdelog has not re-appeared again after moving it | 10:36 |
| jussi | right... where now? :/ | 10:38 |
| apachelogger | perhaps that log was not related at all ^^ | 10:42 |
| apachelogger | oh god | 10:42 |
| jussi | yes? :P | 10:42 |
| apachelogger | which startkde; which plasma-desktop; which kwin; which ksplash; | 10:43 |
| jussi | apachelogger: /usr/bin/startkde /usr/bin/plasma-desktop /usr/bin/kwin | 10:45 |
| jussi | it says nothing about ksplash | 10:45 |
| jussi | I wonder... | 10:45 |
| jussi | nope, nothing "missing" (reinstalled kubuntu-desktop) | 10:46 |
| apachelogger | hm | 10:47 |
| apachelogger | gotta test this real quick | 10:48 |
| cortexA9 | what is the next step after the beta 2 ? | 10:48 |
| apachelogger | jussi: go to a tty: sudo stop lightdm ... sudo Xorg :0 ... go to another tty: export DISPLAY=0 ... startkde &> startkdelog | 10:50 |
| cortexA9 | what is the next step after the beta 2 ?? | 10:50 |
| apachelogger | eh wrong wrong | 10:50 |
| apachelogger | jussi: go to a tty: sudo stop lightdm ... sudo Xorg :0 ... go to another tty: export DISPLAY=:0 ... startkde &> startkdelog | 10:50 |
| smartboyhw | cortexA9, RC? | 10:51 |
| smartboyhw | Final release? | 10:51 |
| apachelogger | or maybe DISPLAY=0 works too | 10:51 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 10:51 |
| cortexA9 | oh ok smartboyhw | 10:51 |
| apachelogger | jussi: anyway, if everything goes wrong the startkde tty should return since startkde crashed and startkdelog in your home should hold the log of that attempt | 10:51 |
| jussi | apachelogger: strange. that start kde works.... | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | so that upstart/logind/something crapware is kaput | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | or the session | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | jussi: rewind .... ctrl-c all the tty crap | 11:02 |
| jussi | ok | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | sudo killall Xorg; sleep 2; sudo start lightdm | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | then in lightdm make sure you actually have the plasma session selected :P | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | and please telll me if other sessions are also available | 11:03 |
| BluesKaj | hiyas all | 11:04 |
| jussi | plasma workspace is selected and other sessions available | 11:05 |
| jussi | apachelogger: very strange this. anyway, going to play again later | 11:10 |
| jussi | apachelogger: although, I suspect this issue is with lightdm, or somewhere with my user. (Ubuntu session is selectable, but does same thing) | 11:12 |
| apachelogger | jussi: it's probably how that upstart/logind thing starts the session | 11:23 |
| apachelogger | i.e. since startkde starts just fine it can only be what starts startkde that fails | 11:24 |
| jussi | apachelogger: wait a moment please | 11:24 |
| jussi | I have fixored it.... | 11:24 |
| jussi | dont ask me exactly why.... | 11:24 |
| jussi | BUT | 11:24 |
| jussi | I installed kdm and logged in once via KDM. I then reconfigured back to light dm.... and hey presto, it works | 11:25 |
| apachelogger | lol | 11:25 |
| apachelogger | I do like reliable software :P | 11:25 |
| jussi | haha | 11:25 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 11:32 |
| kununtu-devel | jussi: i have installed 13.10 with uefi enabled and... it doesn't work | 11:35 |
| smartboyhw | kununtu-devel = apachelogger ? | 11:36 |
| kununtu-devel | smartboyhw: nope | 11:36 |
| === kununtu-devel is now known as Peace- | ||
| smartboyhw | Well, I can't tell who:P | 11:37 |
| smartboyhw | Peace-, hah hah hah | 11:37 |
| smartboyhw | Yeah, I don't know why, but UEFI just doesn't like Kubuntu | 11:38 |
| smartboyhw | I'm thinking about GRUB menu entries-.- | 11:38 |
| apachelogger | https://trello.com/c/r2YHDTII | 11:38 |
| Peace- | smartboyhw: the installation is gone well but then i get i silly grub | 11:39 |
| smartboyhw | Peace-, hmm | 11:39 |
| smartboyhw | GRUB stuff then | 11:39 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kwallet behaves within defined parameters now | 11:39 |
| Riddell | yay | 11:40 |
| * smartboyhw thinks that since we use our seperate entry in GRUB "Kubuntu", now it doesn't work with UEFI | 11:40 | |
| Peace- | smartboyhw: it says grun in minimal mode | 11:40 |
| smartboyhw | Peace-, grun!? | 11:40 |
| Peace- | grub :P | 11:40 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: all out of energy now, pretty please get pitti to look at translation exports of kubuntu-* packages, I get all sorts of rage when hearing how the l10n export is hacked together | 11:40 |
| smartboyhw | OK | 11:40 |
| apachelogger | out for today | 11:40 |
| * smartboyhw looks at some code... | 11:40 | |
| * Peace- hates kubuntu lol | 11:41 | |
| apachelogger | smartboyhw: drop /etc/default/grub.d and update-grub2 | 11:41 |
| apachelogger | if it works then our mapping is the problem | 11:41 |
| apachelogger | doubtable tho | 11:41 |
| * apachelogger now really gone | 11:41 | |
| Peace- | smartboyhw: another thing .... rekonq starts and ask me to install flash | 11:44 |
| Peace- | smartboyhw: then ... i click ok install it ... and you get The package "flashplugin-installer" has not been found among your software sources. Therefore, it cannot be installed. | 11:44 |
| smartboyhw | Peace-, what? | 11:44 |
| Riddell | Peace-: have you done apt-get update yet? | 11:44 |
| smartboyhw | Peace-, technically, Flash is unsupported in Linux | 11:44 |
| Peace- | Riddell: done | 11:44 |
| smartboyhw | (I mean, the newer versions) | 11:44 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: we do promt to install it? | 11:44 |
| Riddell | Peace-: does that fix the rekonq installer? | 11:45 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, I never saw it? | 11:45 |
| Peace- | Riddell: nope | 11:45 |
| Riddell | Peace-: hmm really, I just tried it and it works fine here but I think you will see that problem if apt-get update hasn't been run (which is a bug) | 11:45 |
| Peace- | Riddell: i am in a live cd btw maybe it's that? | 11:46 |
| Peace- | Riddell: anyway i have installed vlc properly | 11:46 |
| Riddell | Peace-: oh yes that'll affect it to, no non-free on the live cd | 11:46 |
| Peace- | Riddell: but if you are connect to internet ... | 11:47 |
| Peace- | and you do update | 11:47 |
| Peace- | it should install it | 11:47 |
| Peace- | Riddell: anyway with uefi ... it doesn't work | 11:47 |
| Peace- | Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/27/plasma-desktops14947.png | 11:48 |
| Riddell | right, no multiverse on the live image, it should have a check for that | 11:49 |
| Riddell | Peace-: feel free to report a bug | 11:49 |
| Riddell | Peace-: uefi is a mysterious quagmire that we need to do better at | 11:49 |
| Peace- | Riddell: btw i have tested cuz you have wirtten on kde planet | 11:50 |
| Peace- | xD | 11:50 |
| Riddell | :) | 11:50 |
| Peace- | it went bad damn :P | 11:50 |
| Riddell | my blogging works! | 11:50 |
| Peace- | sure it works i read often | 11:50 |
| Peace- | it | 11:51 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, first problem: I don't see grub-efi-amd64-signed package included in Kubuntu | 11:59 |
| smartboyhw | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/grub2/saucy/view/head:/debian/patches/install_signed.patch | 12:00 |
| smartboyhw | ?! | 12:00 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm | 12:01 |
| smartboyhw | That's not included in Ubuntu as well | 12:01 |
| smartboyhw | Further checks then | 12:01 |
| cortexA9 | hello | 12:03 |
| Riddell | hi cortexA9 | 12:05 |
| cortexA9 | hi Riddell | 12:05 |
| * Riddell posts kubuntu.org/news/1310-beta-2-released | 12:11 | |
| BluesKaj | had some odd or what appeared as arbitraray shutdowns / power off incidents, twice yesterday without warning | 12:11 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, that's the shortest announcement ever-.- | 12:13 |
| Riddell | I never know what to say for beta announcements, doesn't feel right duplicating what's on the release page | 12:13 |
| Riddell | but maybe a summary would be good | 12:14 |
| smartboyhw | Can someone explain why we still have the 13.04 trello board? | 12:17 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: for any SRUs | 12:19 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: ruby confuses me | 12:29 |
| BluesKaj | I have question , who or what part of Kubuntu made the decision to drop Konversation as default and replace it with Quassel ? | 12:43 |
| tsimpson | that was back when Konversation was KDE3 only and we moved to KDE4 | 12:43 |
| tsimpson | (and dropped all KDE3 parts) | 12:43 |
| Riddell | we'd probably not make the same choice if we started from scratch but there's not been enough reason to justify switching the application back again | 12:45 |
| smartboyhw | BluesKaj, technically, Konversation is crap for the many channels I join... | 12:46 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: how so? | 12:46 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, the tabs get all clumped together at the bottom | 12:47 |
| smartboyhw | I can't even read the channel's names | 12:47 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: and it has no list view option? | 12:47 |
| smartboyhw | Dunno, haven't checked | 12:47 |
| smartboyhw | However, I always use XChat | 12:48 |
| BluesKaj | smartboyhw: I've been using konversation for 7yrs ..it's great irc client ..definitely not crap as you put it. | 12:48 |
| smartboyhw | So, I hate IRC clients that do not put list view as default. | 12:48 |
| BluesKaj | tough | 12:48 |
| BluesKaj | boo hoo | 12:48 |
| BluesKaj | speaking of crap , xchat fits that definition IMO | 12:49 |
| Riddell | this is all getting a bit slashdot! | 12:50 |
| BluesKaj | :) | 12:50 |
| tsimpson | xchat is ok, xchat-gnome is... not | 12:50 |
| tsimpson | konversation is very nice, I'd use it if I didn't need the distributed core thing quassel provides (simply) | 12:51 |
| BluesKaj | tsimpson: to monitor when away , yeah , that would be the only reason to use it | 12:52 |
| BluesKaj | and it;'s fugly too :0 | 12:53 |
| tsimpson | right now my quassel can't quite decide what colour it wants to be | 12:53 |
| tsimpson | light grey or a darker grey | 12:53 |
| BluesKaj | ok , my rants are done for the day until some one else makes a statement I don't like :) | 12:54 |
| * BluesKaj thinks he needs a few beers today | 12:55 | |
| Riddell | !ninjas | 4.11.2 | 12:56 |
| ubottu | 4.11.2: Ninja Time! apachelogger, debfx, JontheEchidna, Quintasan, Riddell, ScottK, yofel, smartboyhw, murthy | 12:56 |
| smartboyhw | Yay | 12:57 |
| smartboyhw | OK, who wants to run the script? | 12:57 |
| smartboyhw | (And gain LP karmas:P) | 12:57 |
| Riddell | I can do it shortly but feel free to jump in | 12:58 |
| smartboyhw | Then let Riddell gain the karmas:P | 12:59 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: yes | 13:13 |
| debfx | Riddell: I think that's the wrong queue you are uploading to ^^ | 13:38 |
| Riddell | oh rollocks | 13:38 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, good job;) | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: did you upload? | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | or should I run the script | 13:48 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: I'm running it | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 13:48 |
| Riddell | uploaded lib* to ninjas | 13:48 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: was that a question? | 14:02 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: about l10n? | 14:02 |
| dantti_laptop | yup | 14:02 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: I was going to send you the releaseme config file but I deleted it so it ended up as a slightly pointless e-mail :) | 14:03 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: consider it a suggestion for the 0.4 release | 14:03 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: well I use release me to release it | 14:03 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: but no l10n? | 14:03 |
| dantti_laptop | so I wonder what did you do | 14:03 |
| dantti_laptop | no? | 14:03 |
| dantti_laptop | hmm I thought it had l10n | 14:03 |
| Riddell | not in the 0.3 tar | 14:04 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: hmm maybe something went wrong | 14:04 |
| dantti_laptop | if you look at releaseme git iirc there is a script for colord-kde | 14:04 |
| Riddell | hmm yes so there is | 14:06 |
| Riddell | ah but without l10n=true | 14:06 |
| dantti_laptop | oh | 14:06 |
| dantti_laptop | mind fixing :D | 14:07 |
| Riddell | can do | 14:07 |
| Riddell | done | 14:09 |
| mikhas | smartboyhw, didn't know you're only 15, wow … | 14:14 |
| * mikhas can't remember what he did at that age but it certainly wasn't contributing to F/OSS | 14:15 | |
| smartboyhw | mikhas, hmm, from which method did you know my age? (I mean just now) | 14:22 |
| Quintasan | I believe you mentioned it here at least once, this channel is logged :P | 14:23 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: thanks | 14:23 |
| smartboyhw | Quintasan, no, i mean, how he managed to find it out "just now" | 14:25 |
| smartboyhw | :P | 14:25 |
| Quintasan | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/smartboyhw | 14:26 |
| smartboyhw | Quintasan, OK | 14:26 |
| Quintasan | https://www.google.pl/search?q=smartboyhw | 14:26 |
| Quintasan | sup | 14:26 |
| smartboyhw | hah? | 14:26 |
| Quintasan | Just try googling yourself sometimes :P | 14:26 |
| smartboyhw | Seriously, 46,500 !? | 14:26 |
| ahoneybun | Hello | 14:27 |
| Quintasan | You'd get 681k results for my nickname | 14:28 |
| Quintasan | ahoneybun: Hi | 14:28 |
| ahoneybun | Hey Quintasan | 14:28 |
| smartboyhw | Quintasan, good job;) | 14:28 |
| * smartboyhw searches Riddell | 14:28 | |
| smartboyhw | huh, 5.52m | 14:28 |
| Quintasan | I'm not really doing anything praiseworthy from my perspective | 14:28 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, I didn't know you make American Footballs :P | 14:29 |
| smartboyhw | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddell | 14:29 |
| ahoneybun | So your a Dev now smartboyhw ? | 14:29 |
| smartboyhw | ahoneybun, yes | 14:29 |
| ahoneybun | smartboyhw: nice job :) | 14:29 |
| smartboyhw | ahoneybun, thanks. How's Docs? | 14:29 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: that company ruins my pageranks | 14:30 |
| ahoneybun | Going good lordievader and Riddell are doing awesome work | 14:30 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, LOL | 14:30 |
| Riddell | hi ahoneybun, did you see it's on the CD now? | 14:30 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: no I did not | 14:31 |
| ahoneybun | That's awesome | 14:32 |
| ahoneybun | My phone is dieing | 14:33 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: awesome work on the package | 14:33 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu#Documentation_is_Back | 14:34 |
| ahoneybun | So should we not make a minimal set? | 14:34 |
| Riddell | I don't see a need for that | 14:34 |
| Riddell | we're not oversized on the images | 14:34 |
| ahoneybun | I don't think so neither | 14:37 |
| ahoneybun | That is great | 14:38 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, please make ninjas status page for 4.11.2 | 14:39 |
| mikhas | smartboyhw, jos' blog post | 14:39 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: will do shortly, getting distracted by l10n | 14:39 |
| smartboyhw | mikhas, oh | 14:39 |
| * ahoneybun wonders if valorie knows | 14:39 | |
| Riddell | um, we seem to only have qtcreator for qt5 in the archive | 14:42 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: how should we go about translating? | 14:43 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: well that's a whole different problem | 14:43 |
| ahoneybun | 1% left of battery | 14:44 |
| ahoneybun | Tea I know | 14:44 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: I think the local download script needs perfecting, then some magic to split up the files and put them into launchpad for translating | 14:44 |
| ahoneybun | There is one person to translate so far | 14:44 |
| snele | anybody else has problems with new plasma-nm in beta2? on startup it freezes splash screen for a few seconds and then when desktop boots up it asks for wifi password (I checked connect automaticaly) | 14:45 |
| snele | no I am using old plasma-widget-networkmanagement and it works great | 14:45 |
| snele | *now | 14:45 |
| snele | and muon discover freezes/crashes like crazy. other than that everything works great. great job guys :) | 14:47 |
| lordievader | Whoo are the docs on the final beta iso? Nice! | 14:48 |
| lordievader | Hey ahoneybun, how have you been? | 14:48 |
| snele | ah and in user manager "change password" button doesn't work. should I report a bug about it? | 14:49 |
| Riddell | lordievader: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu#Documentation_is_Back | 14:49 |
| Riddell | lordievader: but I had to make some manual changes to the tar you had so we should work on perfecting that script of yours first | 14:49 |
| lordievader | Riddell: As I said then too, I have no idea how to package that stuff properly... | 14:50 |
| lordievader | But it is very nice to see the docs included :) | 14:50 |
| Riddell | lordievader: the packaging is easy, I did that already, it's the exact form of the tar you had | 14:50 |
| Riddell | lordievader: want to look at it now? | 14:50 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Sure, let met just reboot my laptop into Kubuntu. | 14:51 |
| Riddell | kde bug 324702 fixed! | 14:54 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 324702 in discover "tab switching breaks after clicking on Sources" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324702 | 14:54 |
| smartboyhw | I'm considering having two 13.10 systems in one computer.......... | 14:54 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, \o/ | 14:54 |
| Riddell | snele: if you have issues with muon discover then apol is working on it now | 14:54 |
| lordievader | Riddell: OK, I'm ready :) | 14:54 |
| apol | Riddell: :D | 14:54 |
| snele | Riddel: apol: yay! :) | 14:54 |
| snele | here is the bug report about user manager: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/user-manager/+bug/1232060 | 14:55 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1232060 in user-manager (Ubuntu) ""Change password" button doesn't work in user manager (Kubuntu 13.10 beta2)" [Undecided,New] | 14:55 |
| Riddell | snele: I've a nasty feeling that's the one afiestas didn't implement to make sure people were watching | 14:56 |
| Riddell | but I'm sure I tested it for that reason | 14:56 |
| Riddell | lordievader: what should happen if I run the tokhelp.py script? | 14:58 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Can you tell me what's the nick of the dude who was working on Adept black magic back in the days? | 14:58 |
| Quintasan | I think he had chicken in his nickname | 14:58 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: manchicken? | 14:58 |
| Quintasan | Ay, yes | 14:58 |
| Quintasan | He is from US, right? | 14:58 |
| Riddell | yes, very much | 14:59 |
| smartboyhw | kubotu: order chicken for Quintasan | 14:59 |
| * kubotu slides chicken down the bar to Quintasan | 14:59 | |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Is he working on anything Kubuntu releated now? I've asked him to take a look at the PolicyKit KCM sometime ago if he felt like it. | 14:59 |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order whisky for Quintasan | 15:00 |
| * kubotu slides whisky down the bar to Quintasan | 15:00 | |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Where be me kubotu lines? | 15:00 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Pretty much the same as the tohtml script, it creates an output folder with a 'kubuntu' folder within. This 'kubunutu' folder contains the things that should go to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/ | 15:00 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: dunno, he popped back up a few weeks ago and said he wanted to get back into things, I suggested the docs download script but he didn't do it, good thing we have lordievader | 15:00 |
| Quintasan | Alright, I'll try staying up long enough to catch him if he decides to show up | 15:01 |
| Quintasan | I've forgotten about MTP as well | 15:01 |
| Quintasan | Christ | 15:01 |
| smartboyhw | Quintasan, make yourself a checklist;) | 15:02 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: We have to get libhupnp into main in some kind of magic way | 15:02 |
| * smartboyhw basically has a long checklist for homewori | 15:02 | |
| smartboyhw | *homework | 15:02 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: came online at 01:00UTC last night so you'll be up quite late | 15:02 |
| Quintasan | smartboyhw: I forget about making checklists | 15:02 |
| Quintasan | :P | 15:02 |
| smartboyhw | Quintasan, LOL | 15:02 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: why? didn't we conclude hupnp wasn't very funcational? | 15:02 |
| Riddell | functional? | 15:02 |
| Quintasan | smartboyhw: It's because I'm lazy as hell these days, not because my memory is crap | 15:02 |
| smartboyhw | Quintasan, aw | 15:03 |
| Quintasan | smartboyhw: Don't tell me you don't often forget about things you don't want to do :P | 15:03 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Hmm am I missing something. Something seems not to be entirely right with the script let me check. | 15:03 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Well, I'm still not sure how should we handle this | 15:03 |
| smartboyhw | Quintasan, I do:P | 15:03 |
| smartboyhw | That homework checklist is LONG though | 15:03 |
| Quintasan | The library itself is unmaintained as far as I can tell | 15:04 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: handle what? | 15:04 |
| Quintasan | But there is no other alternative to provide MTP support in KDE | 15:04 |
| smartboyhw | (Monday is Swimming Gala, Tuesday is National Day, so we resume school on Wednesday, hence the bunch of horrifying homework) | 15:04 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: kio-mtp ? | 15:04 |
| Quintasan | no no, sorry, brain fart | 15:04 |
| Quintasan | UPNP | 15:04 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: well we need to live without it if it's not implemented in a sane way | 15:05 |
| Quintasan | We have no support for UPnP now since libhupnp is not in main and we can't compile kdelibs with support for it. | 15:05 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Ah what I said previously is almost correct, the tokhelp.py generates a khelpcenter/Kubuntu folder, the contents of that folder should go to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/ | 15:05 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: I'll guess I'll talk to upstream about this | 15:06 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: I suspect there isn't an active upstream but solid would be the place to start | 15:07 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: what is upnp anyway? | 15:07 |
| Quintasan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play | 15:07 |
| Quintasan | In short | 15:07 |
| Quintasan | it allows you to discover multimedia devices connected to the network | 15:07 |
| Quintasan | and stream from them | 15:07 |
| Quintasan | or to them | 15:08 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: do you have such a device? | 15:09 |
| Riddell | lordievader: yep seems to work :) | 15:09 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: You sent me one :P | 15:09 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: the arch tablet? | 15:09 |
| lordievader | Riddell: So what now? | 15:09 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Yes, the TF101 also | 15:09 |
| Quintasan | You can even install XBMC and will be an UPnP server | 15:09 |
| Quintasan | You just need software. | 15:09 |
| Quintasan | and your PC will be* | 15:10 |
| snele | is 4.11.2 going to be included in saucy final? | 15:10 |
| Riddell | lordievader: I think the only thing I need from the script is to replace the kubuntu-wiki image with the kubuntu-docs image | 15:10 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Right yes, that still needs to happen. Did you do more manual replacements? | 15:11 |
| smartboyhw | snele, probably | 15:11 |
| snele | if not you should backport this kwin fix for amd cards: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323065 | 15:12 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 323065 in decorations "In KDE 4.11RC2, KWin has bad rendering when using the AMD Catalyst drivers" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 15:12 |
| smartboyhw | snele, I think we can make 4.11.2 into saucy final | 15:12 |
| Riddell | lordievader: no I think that was all actually | 15:13 |
| Riddell | lordievader: although one other suggestion would be a nice icon for the .desktop files to appear in the help centre list on the left hand side | 15:14 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Oh oke, good to hear. :) | 15:14 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Wasn't sure on the options on that, so I went with what the 12.10 one had. | 15:14 |
| Riddell | ah it's the .directory which doesn't have an icon | 15:15 |
| Riddell | easy enough to fix in the packaging | 15:16 |
| Riddell | apol: have you seen lack of translations? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/discover-list-grid.png | 15:16 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Ah now I see what you are talking about ;) | 15:17 |
| Riddell | apol: any thoughts on translating the welcome banner? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/discover-not-localized_1.png | 15:17 |
| apol | uh | 15:17 |
| apol | no | 15:17 |
| apol | I can translate this one | 15:17 |
| apol | Riddell: "Welcome to Muon Discover" should be translatable | 15:19 |
| apol | (it has i18n at least) | 15:19 |
| Riddell | apol: ah good I thought it was, I added some Kubuntu bits so I'll make sure to make that translatable too | 15:20 |
| apol | Riddell: right, yes I saw in shadeslayer computer I think, or on the planet or somewhere else :D | 15:20 |
| apol | Riddell: i dont' think you can translate them if you use the xml files, if you have the banners written in QML it should work | 15:21 |
| shadeslayer | don't use muon | 15:21 |
| shadeslayer | so not on mine | 15:21 |
| apol | Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/branches/stable/l10n-kde4/ca/messages/extragear-sysadmin/muon-discover.po | 15:22 |
| apol | "welcome to muon discover" is translatable | 15:22 |
| apol | I don't see the "List" and "Grid" thing | 15:22 |
| Riddell | he it's the lazy german translators not doing that string | 15:23 |
| Riddell | same for List/Grid | 15:23 |
| apol | I guess it's because I just created the 2.1 branch yesterday | 15:23 |
| apol | Riddell: if it's not fixed in like 2 weeks I can take another look | 15:24 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu | https://trello.com/kubuntu | 4.11.2 notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | bugs http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | 13.10 Beta 2 released | ||
| Riddell | 4.11.2 notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | 15:31 |
| apol | Riddell: https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=muon-discover&list_id=761998 | 15:37 |
| apol | Riddell: I reduced the reported bugs to some wishes, if you think anything else should be tackled add it there again, I can stay home again next week or such and make sure everything is working fine | 15:37 |
| Riddell | apol: oh apachelogger said something about firefox installer still not working | 15:41 |
| Riddell | apol: some comments here, not very useful I guess http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/26/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t20:36 | 15:42 |
| Riddell | apol: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/25/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t10:49 | 15:42 |
| apol | Riddell: how can I find the firefox installer? | 15:43 |
| Riddell | sec.. | 15:43 |
| apol | thank you | 15:43 |
| Riddell | apol: it's this http://paste.kde.org/p2592a980/ | 15:43 |
| Riddell | apol: it was very buggy when I tried it in spain earlier this year but I thought it had been fixed | 15:44 |
| Riddell | and it works fine when I try it locally | 15:45 |
| apol | it could be | 15:49 |
| apol | i've fixed it in the past | 15:49 |
| apol | 2 or 3 times :D | 15:50 |
| Riddell | let me try a live image to check | 15:50 |
| apol | ok | 15:52 |
| Riddell | hi palasso | 15:55 |
| palasso | hey Riddell | 15:55 |
| Riddell | apol: yeah works fine, dunno what apachelogger was moaning about | 16:05 |
| apol | \o/ well, happy that it works :) | 16:07 |
| soee | i see a lot of updates today | 16:18 |
| Riddell | everything coming in after beta freeze | 16:19 |
| === cmagina is now known as cmagina-away | ||
| soee | shouldnt kubuntu store my laptop brightness ? | 16:57 |
| Riddell | probably, upstream issue though | 17:03 |
| Riddell | anyone use the control-alt-del dialogue any more? the lack of a 1 click suspend option is a failure for me | 17:03 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell: I've had to use it occasionally when things freeze up | 17:06 |
| snele | ok I made clean install of beta2 and I am now 100% sure that there is a bug in plasma-nm | 17:19 |
| snele | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-nm/+bug/1232153 | 17:19 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1232153 in plasma-nm (Ubuntu) "Plasma-nm doesn't connect automaticaly to wifi network on startup (Kubuntu 13.10 beta2)" [Undecided,New] | 17:19 |
| snele | also oxygen-gtk3 is not working out of box http://www.dodaj.rs/f/44/an/4U8jMQlO/snapshot2.png | 17:20 |
| snele | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxygen-gtk3/+bug/1232156 | 17:24 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1232156 in oxygen-gtk3 (Ubuntu) "oxygen-gtk3 does not work out of box on kubuntu 13.10 beta2" [Undecided,New] | 17:24 |
| soee | snele, for me it prompts for password after boot | 17:26 |
| soee | than when i type it in im connected to wifi | 17:27 |
| snele | soee: yes but it should not promt for password if you checked "connect automatically" | 17:27 |
| soee | true | 17:28 |
| snele | soee: and while booting, pay attention on splash screen. it will freeze for a while. if you change plasma-nm with old networkmanagement widget this doesn't happen | 17:28 |
| soee | during booting ? it has influence on this ? | 17:29 |
| soee | and you mean this icons when system starting ? | 17:29 |
| snele | if you replace plasma-nm with old applet I meant | 17:29 |
| soee | i have a stop after 3 icon | 17:29 |
| snele | yes that stop seems to be caused by new plasma-nm applet | 17:30 |
| soee | i thought it was related to slow hdd or something | 17:30 |
| snele | install from repositories old applet (plasma-widget-networkmanagement) and remove new plasma-nm and this "stop" is gone | 17:31 |
| soee | nah i dont want to mess with my system :) | 17:31 |
| snele | and you will be automatically connected to wifi | 17:31 |
| snele | :) | 17:31 |
| soee | its running perfect on y new laptop :D | 17:31 |
| snele | it runs great on my very old laptop too but I am verry picky and I note bugs easily :D | 17:32 |
| soee | ok i confirmed this bug report | 17:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | apachelogger: still no responce from the UFW KController developer. How long should I wait for it? | 17:34 |
| soee | i forgot to add that im running 64bit | 17:35 |
| === cmagina-away is now known as cmagina | ||
| ahoneybun | Howdy | 20:56 |
| soee | hi | 21:08 |
| valorie | on the docs, if we can get a minimal set, that would be best | 22:10 |
| valorie | unfortunately, my time is now short - we're just heading into a plumbing/bathroom remodel in our house | 22:10 |
| valorie | but if we have 'big docs' we won't get good translations | 22:10 |
| valorie | we need a minimal set which can be stable and well-translated, with links to stuff that changes | 22:11 |
| valorie | I was really hoping that darkwing would stick around and do that | 22:11 |
| valorie | also, the installation section should not be included, since it is not done | 22:13 |
| valorie | nor has it been checked for accuracy and completeness by those who know the procedure inside and out | 22:14 |
| valorie | above for Riddell and whoever else decides what goes in the ISO | 22:14 |
| valorie | for now, Welcome and Getting Involved are the only sections I would include | 22:16 |
| valorie | with the possible exception of Software | 22:16 |
| rohan | hi.. does anyone know what power backed does kubuntu 13.10 use? does it still use pm-utils? | 22:27 |
| ahoneybun | hello | 23:36 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: I'll paste what I said earlier | 23:37 |
| valorie | hi, btw | 23:37 |
| ahoneybun | hey valorie! | 23:39 |
| valorie | I put the paste in a pm | 23:40 |
| valorie | {{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} | 23:40 |
| ahoneybun | *hugs back* | 23:41 |
| ahoneybun | what about the basic page? | 23:42 |
| valorie | oops | 23:46 |
| valorie | welp, I'm about to leave for dinner | 23:50 |
| valorie | the basic page isn't 'basic' enough for a non-changing or seldom-changing minimal doc set | 23:50 |
| valorie | imo | 23:51 |
| valorie | however, it could be pruned down and become part of it, but that would take time and work | 23:51 |
| valorie | bbl | 23:51 |
| apachelogger | so, I went to bed then when I was about to fall asleep I remembered that I wanted to do debug-installer yesterday, now I can't sleep -.- | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | ovidiu-florin: a week at least | 23:55 |
| soee | apachelogger, nightmares ? :D | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: the firefox thing was tediously slow :P | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | may have been intartubes fault | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | bad experience eitherway | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | nah, just too much on my mind | 23:56 |
| apachelogger | good thing there's a solution for that | 23:56 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: order good beer | 23:56 |
| * kubotu slides the finest Belgium Trappist beer down the bar to apachelogger. | 23:56 | |
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