[00:56] <ahoneybun> Howdy
[00:57] <ahoneybun> Hey valorie 
[00:57] <ahoneybun> Hey lordievader 
[06:17] <soee> good morning
[06:43] <Guest2126> houston we got a problem 
[06:44] <Guest2126> uefi mode activated + kubuntu = mess system with a nice grub in minimal mode result
[06:46] <Guest2126> Riddell: uefi on + kubuntu = installation went good but then you can't boot ...
[07:07] <valorie> hmm, I missed aaron again
[07:07] <valorie> sadness
[08:08] <cortexA9> hello
[08:16] <jussi> morning cortexA9
[08:17] <Riddell> morning
[08:25] <cortexA9> morning Riddell
[08:26] <cortexA9> morning jussi
[08:36] <apachelogger> oh, setting is broken
[08:36] <apachelogger> hooray
[08:51] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: bug 1003398 be resolved now?
[08:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think so but I'd like to double check to make sure
[08:57] <apachelogger>   Uploading kubuntu-settings_13.10ubuntu11_source.changes: done.
[08:57] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[08:57] <apachelogger> ^ prevents postinst/postrm from ever falling over because a subscript exited !0 and fixes previous FTBFS
[09:05]  * apachelogger wonders why dolphin recommends ruby
[09:05] <soee> oh i have one question
[09:06] <soee> the new NM - is it possible to store wifi password ?
[09:06] <soee> it asks me for it after each boot
[09:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^ :O
[09:09] <Tm_T> soee: define "the new"
[09:10] <soee> Tm_T, the new plasma applet written with qml
[09:11] <soee> it comes by default with saucy
[09:11] <Tm_T> righto
[09:11] <apachelogger> Riddell:     - dolphin suggests and not recommends ruby
[09:11] <apachelogger> why did you drop that in the mergE?
[09:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: probably an oversight
[09:17] <apachelogger> src/settings/services/servicemenudeinstallation:#!/usr/bin/env ruby
[09:17] <apachelogger> src/settings/services/servicemenuinstallation:#!/usr/bin/env ruby
[09:17] <apachelogger> oh
[09:18] <apachelogger> it's to isntall servicemenu scripties
[09:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: given increased ISO size I think that is worthwhile supporting
[09:18] <apachelogger> although I do not know why that could not have been implemented using sh upstream :S
[09:19] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/p323a5f1b/
[09:19] <apachelogger> it's really just a glorified bash script 
[09:23] <apachelogger> ohohoho
[09:23] <apachelogger> agateau: does the ubiquity sidebar thing actually scale?
[09:24] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/27/plasma-desktopIx2321.png
[09:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 1001630 .. what do we do with that?
[09:27] <apachelogger> is jonthetaco MIA?
[09:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you know the background story on bug 1078379 ?
[09:28] <apachelogger> I seem to recall mails about jockey being discontinued
[09:28] <apachelogger> alas I thought someone other than me was following up on that
[09:46] <jussi> sigh
[09:46] <jussi> saucy still wont log in for me...
[09:47] <jussi> wonder what crazy setting Ive got that I need to be rid of. Anyone for telling me where to find a log which could help?
[09:48] <apachelogger> jussi: .xsession-errors
[09:50] <jussi> init: startkde main process (1920) killed by TERM signal
[09:50] <jussi> not much help that one
[09:51] <jussi> apachelogger: anything else ?
[09:51] <apachelogger> X explodes :P
[09:51] <debfx> .xsession-errors is no more, the upstart user session logs to ~/.cache/upstart/startkde.log
[09:51] <apachelogger> ah
[09:51] <apachelogger> go ubuntu
[09:51] <apachelogger> go systemd
[09:51] <apachelogger> \o/
[09:53] <debfx> is that you volunteering to bring systemd to ubuntu? ;)
[09:53] <apachelogger> that's why we have no .xsession-errors
[09:54] <apachelogger> upstart teaming up with systemd to bring us excellent per-application logging
[09:56] <jussi> hrr
[09:56] <jussi> I dont see anything that helps me here
[09:56] <jussi> but then again, my expertise is not that high
[09:57] <jussi> bunch of stuff about akonadi exiting
[09:57] <agateau> apachelogger: damn german language, can't you use spaces sometimes? :)
[09:58] <apachelogger> computer says no :P
[09:58] <agateau> apachelogger: guess my code wraps at word boundaries, so it fails there
[10:00] <jussi> so what kind of thing should I be looking for? 
[10:01] <apachelogger> jussi: a paste website :P
[10:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, but have you sent out the announcements yet?
[10:01] <jussi> apachelogger: is it "safe" to pastebin that file?  no nasty personal info?
[10:04] <jussi> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162136/
[10:05] <apachelogger> jussi: if someone debug prints personal info they probably should be shot on sight :P
[10:05] <jussi> apachelogger: fair point
[10:05] <jussi> anyway, that seems to be missign a few lines... 
[10:06] <jussi> hrr
[10:06] <jussi> nano says 11738 lines... :/
[10:07] <apachelogger> oh nice it piles up sessions in the same file
[10:07] <jussi> yay
[10:07] <apachelogger> why that is vastly superior to .xsession-errors
[10:08] <apachelogger> now I get to not only search the trace of breakage but also the start of the flipping last session
[10:08] <apachelogger> I am in love with this change already
[10:12] <jussi> apachelogger: any thoughts on the issue at hand though?
[10:17] <jussi> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162192/
[10:17] <jussi> seems that was missing from the paste for some reason?
[10:18] <apachelogger> jussi: do you use session restore
[10:18] <apachelogger> i.e. does your session restore after login
[10:18] <jussi> yes
[10:18] <apachelogger> that could be the problem
[10:18] <Riddell> ooh beta 2 is out
[10:19] <apachelogger> jussi: mv .kde//share/config/session ~/
[10:19] <apachelogger> then try again
[10:22] <jussi> with the double slash?
[10:22] <apachelogger> jussi: doesn't matter, but no
[10:27] <jussi> apachelogger: unfortunately didnt help
[10:31] <apachelogger> jussi: new log please
[10:31] <apachelogger> should be cleaner at least
[10:31] <apachelogger> oh
[10:31] <apachelogger> wait
[10:31] <jussi> apachelogger: it looks same as before... :/ sec
[10:31] <jussi> Ill give you the "tail" ?
[10:31] <jussi> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162219/
[10:31] <apachelogger> jussi: echo "DisableAll=false" > ~/.kde/share/config/kdebugrc
[10:31] <apachelogger> tail is not enough
[10:32] <apachelogger> jussi: you could just rm  the log before login
[10:32] <apachelogger> then it will only contain that one session
[10:32] <apachelogger> reducing paste load and eaiser to read ^^
[10:32] <jussi> apachelogger: ok, allow me to do so. 
[10:32] <apachelogger> and do that kdeburc thing from above
[10:33] <apachelogger> jussi: I still think your X explodes though
[10:33] <apachelogger> and actually
[10:33] <apachelogger> [9960:9960:0923/183326:ERROR:chrome_browser_main_x11.cc(62)] X IO error received (X server probably went away)
[10:33] <apachelogger> why would chrome show up if the session is clean
[10:33] <apachelogger> :O
[10:33] <apachelogger> oh I am being silly
[10:34] <apachelogger> jussi: also mv ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc ~/
[10:35] <jussi> hrm, weird
[10:36] <jussi> that startkdelog has not re-appeared again after moving it
[10:38] <jussi> right... where now? :/
[10:42] <apachelogger> perhaps that log was not related at all ^^
[10:42] <apachelogger> oh god
[10:42] <jussi> yes? :P
[10:43] <apachelogger> which startkde; which plasma-desktop; which kwin; which ksplash;
[10:45] <jussi> apachelogger: /usr/bin/startkde /usr/bin/plasma-desktop /usr/bin/kwin 
[10:45] <jussi> it says nothing about ksplash
[10:45] <jussi> I wonder...
[10:46] <jussi> nope, nothing "missing" (reinstalled kubuntu-desktop)
[10:47] <apachelogger> hm
[10:48] <apachelogger> gotta test this real quick
[10:48] <cortexA9> what is the next step after the beta 2 ?
[10:50] <apachelogger> jussi: go to a tty: sudo stop lightdm ... sudo Xorg :0 ... go to another tty: export DISPLAY=0  ... startkde &> startkdelog
[10:50] <cortexA9> what is the next step after the beta 2 ??
[10:50] <apachelogger> eh wrong wrong
[10:50] <apachelogger> jussi: go to a tty: sudo stop lightdm ... sudo Xorg :0 ... go to another tty: export DISPLAY=:0 ... startkde &> startkdelog
[10:51] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, RC?
[10:51] <smartboyhw> Final release?
[10:51] <apachelogger> or maybe DISPLAY=0 works too
[10:51] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[10:51] <cortexA9> oh ok smartboyhw
[10:51] <apachelogger> jussi: anyway, if everything goes wrong the startkde tty should return since startkde crashed and startkdelog in your home should hold the log of that attempt
[10:58] <jussi> apachelogger: strange. that start kde works....
[11:01] <apachelogger> so that upstart/logind/something crapware is kaput
[11:02] <apachelogger> or the session
[11:02] <apachelogger> jussi: rewind .... ctrl-c all the tty crap
[11:02] <jussi> ok
[11:02] <apachelogger> sudo killall Xorg; sleep 2; sudo start lightdm
[11:02] <apachelogger> then in lightdm make sure you actually have the plasma session selected :P
[11:03] <apachelogger> and please telll me if other sessions are also available
[11:04] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:05] <jussi> plasma workspace is selected and other sessions available
[11:10] <jussi> apachelogger: very strange this. anyway, going to play again later
[11:12] <jussi> apachelogger: although, I suspect this issue is with lightdm, or somewhere with my user. (Ubuntu session is selectable, but does same thing)
[11:23] <apachelogger> jussi: it's probably how that upstart/logind thing starts the session
[11:24] <apachelogger> i.e. since startkde starts just fine it can only be what starts startkde that fails
[11:24] <jussi> apachelogger: wait a moment please
[11:24] <jussi> I have fixored it....
[11:24] <jussi> dont ask me exactly why.... 
[11:24] <jussi> BUT
[11:25] <jussi> I installed kdm and logged in once via KDM. I then reconfigured back to light dm.... and hey presto, it works
[11:25] <apachelogger> lol
[11:25] <apachelogger> I do like reliable software :P
[11:25] <jussi> haha
[11:32] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[11:35] <kununtu-devel> jussi: i have installed 13.10 with uefi enabled and... it doesn't work
[11:36] <smartboyhw> kununtu-devel = apachelogger ?
[11:36] <kununtu-devel> smartboyhw: nope
[11:37] <smartboyhw> Well, I can't tell who:P
[11:37] <smartboyhw> Peace-, hah hah hah
[11:38] <smartboyhw> Yeah, I don't know why, but UEFI just doesn't like Kubuntu
[11:38] <smartboyhw> I'm thinking about GRUB menu entries-.-
[11:38] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/r2YHDTII
[11:39] <Peace-> smartboyhw: the installation is gone well but then i get i silly grub 
[11:39] <smartboyhw> Peace-, hmm
[11:39] <smartboyhw> GRUB stuff then
[11:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: kwallet behaves within defined parameters now
[11:40] <Riddell> yay
[11:40]  * smartboyhw thinks that since we use our seperate entry in GRUB "Kubuntu", now it doesn't work with UEFI
[11:40] <Peace-> smartboyhw: it says grun in minimal mode 
[11:40] <smartboyhw> Peace-, grun!?
[11:40] <Peace-> grub :P
[11:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: all out of energy now, pretty please get pitti to look at translation exports of kubuntu-* packages, I get all sorts of rage when hearing how the l10n export is hacked together
[11:40] <smartboyhw> OK
[11:40] <apachelogger> out for today
[11:40]  * smartboyhw looks at some code...
[11:41]  * Peace- hates kubuntu lol 
[11:41] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: drop /etc/default/grub.d and update-grub2
[11:41] <apachelogger> if it works then our mapping is the problem
[11:41] <apachelogger> doubtable tho
[11:41]  * apachelogger now really gone
[11:44] <Peace-> smartboyhw: another thing ....  rekonq starts and ask me to install flash
[11:44] <Peace-> smartboyhw: then ... i click ok install it ... and you get The package "flashplugin-installer" has not been found among your software sources. Therefore, it cannot be installed. 
[11:44] <smartboyhw> Peace-, what?
[11:44] <Riddell> Peace-: have you done apt-get update yet?
[11:44] <smartboyhw> Peace-, technically, Flash is unsupported in Linux
[11:44] <Peace-> Riddell: done 
[11:44] <smartboyhw> (I mean, the newer versions)
[11:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: we do promt to install it?
[11:45] <Riddell> Peace-: does that fix the rekonq installer?
[11:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I never saw it?
[11:45] <Peace-> Riddell: nope
[11:45] <Riddell> Peace-: hmm really, I just tried it and it works fine here but I think you will see that problem if apt-get update hasn't been run (which is a bug)
[11:46] <Peace-> Riddell: i am in a live cd btw maybe it's that?
[11:46] <Peace-> Riddell: anyway i have installed vlc properly 
[11:46] <Riddell> Peace-: oh yes that'll affect it to, no non-free on the live cd
[11:47] <Peace-> Riddell: but if you are connect to internet ... 
[11:47] <Peace-> and you do update 
[11:47] <Peace-> it should install it 
[11:47] <Peace-> Riddell: anyway with uefi ... it doesn't work 
[11:48] <Peace-> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/27/plasma-desktops14947.png
[11:49] <Riddell> right, no multiverse on the live image, it should have a check for that
[11:49] <Riddell> Peace-: feel free to report a bug
[11:49] <Riddell> Peace-: uefi is a mysterious quagmire that we need to do better at
[11:50] <Peace-> Riddell: btw i have tested cuz you have wirtten on kde planet
[11:50] <Peace-> xD
[11:50] <Riddell> :)
[11:50] <Peace-> it went bad damn :P
[11:50] <Riddell> my blogging works!
[11:50] <Peace-> sure it works i read often 
[11:51] <Peace-> it 
[11:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, first problem: I don't see grub-efi-amd64-signed package included in Kubuntu
[12:00] <smartboyhw> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/grub2/saucy/view/head:/debian/patches/install_signed.patch
[12:00] <smartboyhw> ?!
[12:01] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[12:01] <smartboyhw> That's not included in Ubuntu as well
[12:01] <smartboyhw> Further checks then
[12:03] <cortexA9> hello
[12:05] <Riddell> hi cortexA9 
[12:05] <cortexA9> hi Riddell
[12:11]  * Riddell posts kubuntu.org/news/1310-beta-2-released
[12:11] <BluesKaj> had some odd or what appeared as arbitraray shutdowns / power off incidents, twice yesterday without warning
[12:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, that's the shortest announcement ever-.-
[12:13] <Riddell> I never know what to say for beta announcements, doesn't feel right duplicating what's on the release page
[12:14] <Riddell> but maybe a summary would be good
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Can someone explain why we still have the 13.04 trello board?
[12:19] <Riddell> smartboyhw: for any SRUs
[12:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: ruby confuses me
[12:43] <BluesKaj> I have  question , who or what part of Kubuntu made the decision to drop Konversation as default and replace it with Quassel ?
[12:43] <tsimpson> that was back when Konversation was KDE3 only and we moved to KDE4
[12:43] <tsimpson> (and dropped all KDE3 parts)
[12:45] <Riddell> we'd probably not make the same choice if we started from scratch but there's not been enough reason to justify switching the application back again
[12:46] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, technically, Konversation is crap for the many channels I join...
[12:46] <Riddell> smartboyhw: how so?
[12:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the tabs get all clumped together at the bottom
[12:47] <smartboyhw> I can't even read the channel's names
[12:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: and it has no list view option?
[12:47] <smartboyhw> Dunno, haven't checked
[12:48] <smartboyhw> However, I always use XChat
[12:48] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw:  I've been using konversation for 7yrs ..it's great irc client ..definitely not crap as you put it. 
[12:48] <smartboyhw> So, I hate IRC clients that do not put list view as default.
[12:48] <BluesKaj> tough
[12:48] <BluesKaj> boo hoo 
[12:49] <BluesKaj> speaking of crap , xchat fits that definition IMO 
[12:50] <Riddell> this is all getting a bit slashdot!
[12:50] <BluesKaj> :)
[12:50] <tsimpson> xchat is ok, xchat-gnome is... not
[12:51] <tsimpson> konversation is very nice, I'd use it if I didn't need the distributed core thing quassel provides (simply)
[12:52] <BluesKaj> tsimpson:  to monitor when away , yeah , that would be the only reason to use it 
[12:53] <BluesKaj> and it;'s fugly too :0
[12:53] <tsimpson> right now my quassel can't quite decide what colour it wants to be
[12:53] <tsimpson> light grey or a darker grey
[12:54] <BluesKaj> ok , my rants are done for the day until some one else makes a statement I don't like :)
[12:55]  * BluesKaj thinks he needs a few beers today
[12:56] <Riddell> !ninjas | 4.11.2
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Yay
[12:57] <smartboyhw> OK, who wants to run the script?
[12:57] <smartboyhw> (And gain LP karmas:P)
[12:58] <Riddell> I can do it shortly but feel free to jump in
[12:59] <smartboyhw> Then let Riddell gain the karmas:P
[13:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[13:38] <debfx> Riddell: I think that's the wrong queue you are uploading to ^^
[13:38] <Riddell> oh rollocks
[13:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, good job;)
[13:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you upload?
[13:48] <shadeslayer> or should I run the script
[13:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm running it
[13:48] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:48] <Riddell> uploaded lib* to ninjas
[14:02] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: was that a question?
[14:02] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: about l10n?
[14:02] <dantti_laptop> yup
[14:03] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: I was going to send you the releaseme config file but I deleted it so it ended up as a slightly pointless e-mail :)
[14:03] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: consider it a suggestion for the 0.4 release
[14:03] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: well I use release me to release it
[14:03] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: but no l10n?
[14:03] <dantti_laptop> so I wonder what did you do
[14:03] <dantti_laptop> no?
[14:03] <dantti_laptop> hmm I thought it had l10n
[14:04] <Riddell> not in the 0.3 tar
[14:04] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: hmm maybe something went wrong
[14:04] <dantti_laptop> if you look at releaseme git iirc there is a script for colord-kde
[14:06] <Riddell> hmm yes so there is
[14:06] <Riddell> ah but without l10n=true
[14:06] <dantti_laptop> oh
[14:07] <dantti_laptop> mind fixing :D
[14:07] <Riddell> can do
[14:09] <Riddell> done
[14:14] <mikhas> smartboyhw, didn't know you're only 15, wow …
[14:15]  * mikhas can't remember what he did at that age but it certainly wasn't contributing to F/OSS
[14:22] <smartboyhw> mikhas, hmm, from which method did you know my age? (I mean just now)
[14:23] <Quintasan> I believe you mentioned it here at least once, this channel is logged :P
[14:23] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: thanks
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, no, i mean, how he managed to find it out "just now"
[14:25] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:26] <Quintasan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/smartboyhw
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, OK
[14:26] <Quintasan> https://www.google.pl/search?q=smartboyhw
[14:26] <Quintasan> sup
[14:26] <smartboyhw> hah?
[14:26] <Quintasan> Just try googling yourself sometimes :P
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Seriously, 46,500 !?
[14:27] <ahoneybun> Hello
[14:28] <Quintasan> You'd get 681k results for my nickname
[14:28] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Hi
[14:28] <ahoneybun> Hey Quintasan 
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, good job;)
[14:28]  * smartboyhw searches Riddell
[14:28] <smartboyhw> huh, 5.52m
[14:28] <Quintasan> I'm not really doing anything praiseworthy from my perspective
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I didn't know you make American Footballs :P
[14:29] <smartboyhw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddell
[14:29] <ahoneybun> So your a Dev now smartboyhw ?
[14:29] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, yes
[14:29] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: nice job :)
[14:29] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, thanks. How's Docs?
[14:30] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that company ruins my pageranks
[14:30] <ahoneybun> Going good lordievader and Riddell are doing awesome work
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[14:30] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun, did you see it's on the CD now?
[14:31] <ahoneybun> Riddell: no I did not 
[14:32] <ahoneybun> That's awesome
[14:33] <ahoneybun> My phone is dieing 
[14:33] <ahoneybun> Riddell: awesome work on the package 
[14:34] <Riddell> ahoneybun: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu#Documentation_is_Back
[14:34] <ahoneybun> So should we not make a minimal set?
[14:34] <Riddell> I don't see a need for that
[14:34] <Riddell> we're not oversized on the images
[14:37] <ahoneybun> I don't think so neither
[14:38] <ahoneybun> That is great
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, please make ninjas status page for 4.11.2
[14:39] <mikhas> smartboyhw, jos' blog post
[14:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: will do shortly, getting distracted by l10n
[14:39] <smartboyhw> mikhas, oh
[14:39]  * ahoneybun wonders if valorie knows
[14:42] <Riddell> um, we seem to only have qtcreator for qt5 in the archive
[14:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how should we go about translating?
[14:43] <Riddell> ahoneybun: well that's a whole different problem
[14:44] <ahoneybun> 1% left of battery
[14:44] <ahoneybun> Tea I know
[14:44] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I think the local download script needs perfecting, then some magic to split up the files and put them into launchpad for translating
[14:44] <ahoneybun> There is one person to translate so far
[14:45] <snele> anybody else has problems with new plasma-nm in beta2? on startup it freezes splash screen for a few seconds and then when desktop boots up it asks for wifi password (I checked connect automaticaly)
[14:45] <snele> no I am using old plasma-widget-networkmanagement and it works great
[14:45] <snele> *now
[14:47] <snele> and muon discover freezes/crashes like crazy. other than that everything works great. great job guys :)
[14:48] <lordievader> Whoo are the docs on the final beta iso? Nice!
[14:48] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how have you been?
[14:49] <snele> ah and in user manager "change password" button doesn't work. should I report a bug about it?
[14:49] <Riddell> lordievader: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu#Documentation_is_Back
[14:49] <Riddell> lordievader: but I had to make some manual changes to the tar you had so we should work on perfecting that script of yours first
[14:50] <lordievader> Riddell: As I said then too, I have no idea how to package that stuff properly...
[14:50] <lordievader> But it is very nice to see the docs included :)
[14:50] <Riddell> lordievader: the packaging is easy, I did that already, it's the exact form of the tar you had
[14:50] <Riddell> lordievader: want to look at it now?
[14:51] <lordievader> Riddell: Sure, let met just reboot my laptop into Kubuntu.
[14:54] <Riddell> kde bug 324702 fixed!
[14:54] <smartboyhw> I'm considering having two 13.10 systems in one computer..........
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, \o/
[14:54] <Riddell> snele: if you have issues with muon discover then apol is working on it now
[14:54] <lordievader> Riddell: OK, I'm ready :)
[14:54] <apol> Riddell: :D
[14:54] <snele> Riddel: apol: yay! :)
[14:55] <snele> here is the bug report about user manager: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/user-manager/+bug/1232060
[14:56] <Riddell> snele: I've a nasty feeling that's the one afiestas didn't implement to make sure people were watching
[14:56] <Riddell> but I'm sure I tested it for that reason
[14:58] <Riddell> lordievader: what should happen if I run the tokhelp.py script?
[14:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can you tell me what's the nick of the dude who was working on Adept black magic back in the days?
[14:58] <Quintasan> I think he had chicken in his nickname
[14:58] <Riddell> Quintasan: manchicken?
[14:58] <Quintasan> Ay, yes
[14:58] <Quintasan> He is from US, right?
[14:59] <Riddell> yes, very much
[14:59] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order chicken for Quintasan 
[14:59]  * kubotu slides chicken down the bar to Quintasan
[14:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: Is he working on anything Kubuntu releated now? I've asked him to take a look at the PolicyKit KCM sometime ago if he felt like it.
[15:00] <Quintasan> kubotu: order whisky for Quintasan
[15:00]  * kubotu slides whisky down the bar to Quintasan
[15:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Where be me kubotu lines?
[15:00] <lordievader> Riddell: Pretty much the same as the tohtml script, it creates an output folder with a 'kubuntu' folder within. This 'kubunutu' folder contains the things that should go to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/
[15:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: dunno, he popped back up a few weeks ago and said he wanted to get back into things, I suggested the docs download script but he didn't do it, good thing we have lordievader 
[15:01] <Quintasan> Alright, I'll try staying up long enough to catch him if he decides to show up
[15:01] <Quintasan> I've forgotten about MTP as well
[15:01] <Quintasan> Christ
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, make yourself a checklist;)
[15:02] <Quintasan> Riddell: We have to get libhupnp into main in some kind of magic way
[15:02]  * smartboyhw basically has a long checklist for homewori
[15:02] <smartboyhw> *homework
[15:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: came online at 01:00UTC last night so you'll be up quite late
[15:02] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: I forget about making checklists
[15:02] <Quintasan> :P
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, LOL
[15:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: why? didn't we conclude hupnp wasn't very funcational?
[15:02] <Riddell> functional?
[15:02] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: It's because I'm lazy as hell these days, not because my memory is crap
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, aw
[15:03] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Don't tell me you don't often forget about things you don't want to do :P
[15:03] <lordievader> Riddell: Hmm am I missing something. Something seems not to be entirely right with the script let me check.
[15:03] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, I'm still not sure how should we handle this
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, I do:P
[15:03] <smartboyhw> That homework checklist is LONG though
[15:04] <Quintasan> The library itself is unmaintained as far as I can tell
[15:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: handle what?
[15:04] <Quintasan> But there is no other alternative to provide MTP support in KDE
[15:04] <smartboyhw> (Monday is Swimming Gala, Tuesday is National Day, so we resume school on Wednesday, hence the bunch of horrifying homework)
[15:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: kio-mtp ?
[15:04] <Quintasan> no no, sorry, brain fart
[15:04] <Quintasan> UPNP
[15:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: well we need to live without it if it's not implemented in a sane way
[15:05] <Quintasan> We have no support for UPnP now since libhupnp is not in main and we can't compile kdelibs with support for it.
[15:05] <lordievader> Riddell: Ah what I said previously is almost correct, the tokhelp.py generates a khelpcenter/Kubuntu folder, the contents of that folder should go to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/
[15:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll guess I'll talk to upstream about this
[15:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: I suspect there isn't an active upstream but solid would be the place to start
[15:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: what is upnp anyway?
[15:07] <Quintasan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play
[15:07] <Quintasan> In short
[15:07] <Quintasan> it allows you to discover multimedia devices connected to the network
[15:07] <Quintasan> and stream from them
[15:08] <Quintasan> or to them
[15:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: do you have such a device?
[15:09] <Riddell> lordievader: yep seems to work :)
[15:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: You sent me one :P
[15:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: the arch tablet?
[15:09] <lordievader> Riddell: So what now?
[15:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: Yes, the TF101 also
[15:09] <Quintasan> You can even install XBMC and will be an UPnP server
[15:09] <Quintasan> You just need software.
[15:10] <Quintasan> and your PC will be*
[15:10] <snele> is 4.11.2 going to be included in saucy final? 
[15:10] <Riddell> lordievader: I think the only thing I need from the script is to replace the kubuntu-wiki image with the kubuntu-docs image
[15:11] <lordievader> Riddell: Right yes, that still needs to happen. Did you do more manual replacements?
[15:11] <smartboyhw> snele, probably
[15:12] <snele> if not you should backport this kwin fix for amd cards: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323065
[15:12] <smartboyhw> snele, I think we can make 4.11.2 into saucy final
[15:13] <Riddell> lordievader: no I think that was all actually
[15:14] <Riddell> lordievader: although one other suggestion would be a nice icon for the .desktop files to appear in the help centre list on the left hand side
[15:14] <lordievader> Riddell: Oh oke, good to hear. :)
[15:14] <lordievader> Riddell: Wasn't sure on the options on that, so I went with what the 12.10 one had.
[15:15] <Riddell> ah it's the .directory which doesn't have an icon
[15:16] <Riddell> easy enough to fix in the packaging
[15:16] <Riddell> apol: have you seen lack of translations? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/discover-list-grid.png
[15:17] <lordievader> Riddell: Ah now I see what you are talking about ;)
[15:17] <Riddell> apol: any thoughts on translating the welcome banner? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/discover-not-localized_1.png
[15:17] <apol> uh
[15:17] <apol> no
[15:17] <apol> I can translate this one
[15:19] <apol> Riddell: "Welcome to Muon Discover" should be translatable
[15:19] <apol> (it has i18n at least)
[15:20] <Riddell> apol: ah good I thought it was, I added some Kubuntu bits so I'll make sure to make that translatable too
[15:20] <apol> Riddell: right, yes I saw in shadeslayer computer I think, or on the planet or somewhere else :D
[15:21] <apol> Riddell: i dont' think you can translate them if you use the xml files, if you have the banners written in QML it should work
[15:21] <shadeslayer> don't use muon
[15:21] <shadeslayer> so not on mine
[15:22] <apol> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/branches/stable/l10n-kde4/ca/messages/extragear-sysadmin/muon-discover.po
[15:22] <apol> "welcome to muon discover" is translatable
[15:22] <apol> I don't see the "List" and "Grid" thing
[15:23] <Riddell> he it's the lazy german translators not doing that string
[15:23] <Riddell> same for List/Grid
[15:23] <apol> I guess it's because I just created the 2.1 branch yesterday
[15:24] <apol> Riddell: if it's not fixed in like 2 weeks I can take another look
[15:31] <Riddell> 4.11.2 notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas
[15:37] <apol> Riddell: https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=muon-discover&list_id=761998
[15:37] <apol> Riddell: I reduced the reported bugs to some wishes, if you think anything else should be tackled add it there again, I can stay home again next week or such and make sure everything is working fine
[15:41] <Riddell> apol: oh apachelogger said something about firefox installer still not working
[15:42] <Riddell> apol: some comments here, not very useful I guess http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/26/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t20:36
[15:42] <Riddell> apol: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/25/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t10:49
[15:43] <apol> Riddell: how can I find the firefox installer?
[15:43] <Riddell> sec..
[15:43] <apol> thank you
[15:43] <Riddell> apol: it's this http://paste.kde.org/p2592a980/
[15:44] <Riddell> apol: it was very buggy when I tried it in spain earlier this year but I thought it had been fixed
[15:45] <Riddell> and it works fine when I try it locally
[15:49] <apol> it could be
[15:49] <apol> i've fixed it in the past
[15:50] <apol> 2 or 3 times :D
[15:50] <Riddell> let me try a live image to check
[15:52] <apol> ok
[15:55] <Riddell> hi palasso 
[15:55] <palasso> hey Riddell
[16:05] <Riddell> apol: yeah works fine, dunno what apachelogger was moaning about
[16:07] <apol> \o/ well, happy that it works :)
[16:18] <soee> i see a lot of updates today
[16:19] <Riddell> everything coming in after beta freeze
[16:57] <soee> shouldnt kubuntu store my laptop brightness ?
[17:03] <Riddell> probably, upstream issue though
[17:03] <Riddell> anyone use the control-alt-del dialogue any more? the lack of a 1 click suspend option is a failure for me
[17:06] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  I've had to use it occasionally when things freeze up
[17:19] <snele> ok I made clean install of beta2 and I am now 100% sure that there is a bug in plasma-nm
[17:19] <snele> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-nm/+bug/1232153
[17:20] <snele> also oxygen-gtk3 is not working out of box http://www.dodaj.rs/f/44/an/4U8jMQlO/snapshot2.png
[17:24] <snele> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxygen-gtk3/+bug/1232156
[17:26] <soee> snele, for me it prompts for password after boot
[17:27] <soee> than when i type it in im connected to wifi
[17:27] <snele> soee: yes but it should not promt for password if you checked "connect automatically"
[17:28] <soee> true
[17:28] <snele> soee: and while booting, pay attention on splash screen. it will freeze for a while. if you change plasma-nm with old networkmanagement widget this doesn't happen
[17:29] <soee> during booting ? it has influence on this ?
[17:29] <soee> and you mean this icons when system starting ?
[17:29] <snele> if you replace plasma-nm with old applet I meant
[17:29] <soee> i have a stop after 3 icon
[17:30] <snele> yes that stop seems to be caused by new plasma-nm applet
[17:30] <soee> i thought it was related to slow hdd or something
[17:31] <snele> install from repositories old applet (plasma-widget-networkmanagement) and remove new plasma-nm and this "stop" is gone
[17:31] <soee> nah i dont want to mess with my system :)
[17:31] <snele> and you will be automatically connected to wifi
[17:31] <snele> :)
[17:31] <soee> its running perfect on y new laptop :D
[17:32] <snele> it runs great on my very old laptop too but I am verry picky and I note bugs easily :D
[17:33] <soee> ok i confirmed this bug report
[17:34] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: still no responce from the UFW KController developer. How long should I wait for it?
[17:35] <soee> i forgot to add that im running 64bit
[20:56] <ahoneybun> Howdy
[21:08] <soee> hi
[22:10] <valorie> on the docs, if we can get a minimal set, that would be best
[22:10] <valorie> unfortunately, my time is now short - we're just heading into a plumbing/bathroom remodel in our house
[22:10] <valorie> but if we have 'big docs' we won't get good translations
[22:11] <valorie> we need a minimal set which can be stable and well-translated, with links to stuff that changes
[22:11] <valorie> I was really hoping that darkwing would stick around and do that
[22:13] <valorie> also, the installation section should not be included, since it is not done
[22:14] <valorie> nor has it been checked for accuracy and completeness by those who know the procedure inside and out
[22:14] <valorie> above for Riddell and whoever else decides what goes in the ISO
[22:16] <valorie> for now, Welcome and Getting Involved are the only sections I would include
[22:16] <valorie> with the possible exception of Software
[22:27] <rohan> hi.. does anyone know what power backed does kubuntu 13.10 use? does it still use pm-utils? 
[23:36] <ahoneybun> hello
[23:37] <valorie> ahoneybun: I'll paste what I said earlier
[23:37] <valorie> hi, btw
[23:39] <ahoneybun> hey valorie!
[23:40] <valorie> I put the paste in a pm
[23:40] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}
[23:41] <ahoneybun> *hugs back*
[23:42] <ahoneybun> what about the basic page?
[23:46] <valorie> oops
[23:50] <valorie> welp, I'm about to leave for dinner
[23:50] <valorie> the basic page isn't 'basic' enough for a non-changing or seldom-changing minimal doc set
[23:51] <valorie> imo
[23:51] <valorie> however, it could be pruned down and become part of it, but that would take time and work
[23:51] <valorie> bbl
[23:54] <apachelogger> so, I went to bed then when I was about to fall asleep I remembered that I wanted to do debug-installer yesterday, now I can't sleep -.-
[23:55] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: a week at least
[23:55] <soee> apachelogger, nightmares ? :D
[23:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: the firefox thing was tediously slow :P
[23:55] <apachelogger> may have been intartubes fault
[23:55] <apachelogger> bad experience eitherway
[23:56] <apachelogger> nah, just too much on my mind
[23:56] <apachelogger> good thing there's a solution for that
[23:56] <apachelogger> kubotu: order good beer
[23:56]  * kubotu slides the finest Belgium Trappist beer down the bar to apachelogger.