[00:56] Howdy [00:57] Hey valorie [00:57] Hey lordievader === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [06:17] good morning [06:43] houston we got a problem [06:44] uefi mode activated + kubuntu = mess system with a nice grub in minimal mode result [06:46] Riddell: uefi on + kubuntu = installation went good but then you can't boot ... [07:07] hmm, I missed aaron again [07:07] sadness [08:08] hello [08:16] morning cortexA9 [08:17] morning [08:25] morning Riddell [08:26] morning jussi [08:36] oh, setting is broken [08:36] hooray [08:51] Riddell, shadeslayer: bug 1003398 be resolved now? [08:51] bug 1003398 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "[regression] kwallet asking for initial password" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1003398 [08:55] apachelogger: I think so but I'd like to double check to make sure [08:57] Uploading kubuntu-settings_13.10ubuntu11_source.changes: done. [08:57] Successfully uploaded packages. [08:57] ^ prevents postinst/postrm from ever falling over because a subscript exited !0 and fixes previous FTBFS [09:05] * apachelogger wonders why dolphin recommends ruby [09:05] oh i have one question [09:06] the new NM - is it possible to store wifi password ? [09:06] it asks me for it after each boot [09:09] Riddell: ^ :O [09:09] soee: define "the new" [09:10] Tm_T, the new plasma applet written with qml [09:11] it comes by default with saucy [09:11] righto [09:11] Riddell: - dolphin suggests and not recommends ruby [09:11] why did you drop that in the mergE? [09:17] apachelogger: probably an oversight [09:17] src/settings/services/servicemenudeinstallation:#!/usr/bin/env ruby [09:17] src/settings/services/servicemenuinstallation:#!/usr/bin/env ruby [09:17] oh [09:18] it's to isntall servicemenu scripties [09:18] Riddell: given increased ISO size I think that is worthwhile supporting [09:18] although I do not know why that could not have been implemented using sh upstream :S [09:19] http://paste.kde.org/p323a5f1b/ [09:19] it's really just a glorified bash script [09:23] ohohoho [09:23] agateau: does the ubiquity sidebar thing actually scale? [09:24] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/27/plasma-desktopIx2321.png [09:25] ScottK: bug 1001630 .. what do we do with that? [09:25] bug 1001630 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "xubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop etc. no longer upload crash reports as of Precise" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1001630 [09:27] is jonthetaco MIA? [09:27] Riddell: do you know the background story on bug 1078379 ? [09:27] bug 1078379 in jockey (Ubuntu) "Jockey-KDE doesn't show drivers versions" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078379 [09:28] I seem to recall mails about jockey being discontinued [09:28] alas I thought someone other than me was following up on that [09:46] sigh [09:46] saucy still wont log in for me... [09:47] wonder what crazy setting Ive got that I need to be rid of. Anyone for telling me where to find a log which could help? [09:48] jussi: .xsession-errors [09:50] init: startkde main process (1920) killed by TERM signal [09:50] not much help that one [09:51] apachelogger: anything else ? [09:51] X explodes :P [09:51] .xsession-errors is no more, the upstart user session logs to ~/.cache/upstart/startkde.log [09:51] ah [09:51] go ubuntu [09:51] go systemd [09:51] \o/ [09:53] is that you volunteering to bring systemd to ubuntu? ;) [09:53] that's why we have no .xsession-errors [09:54] upstart teaming up with systemd to bring us excellent per-application logging [09:56] hrr [09:56] I dont see anything that helps me here [09:56] but then again, my expertise is not that high [09:57] bunch of stuff about akonadi exiting [09:57] apachelogger: damn german language, can't you use spaces sometimes? :) [09:58] computer says no :P [09:58] apachelogger: guess my code wraps at word boundaries, so it fails there [10:00] so what kind of thing should I be looking for? [10:01] jussi: a paste website :P === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu | https://trello.com/kubuntu | Pad: http://goo.gl/It6HGW 4.11.1 S/achv R+P/bpo | bugs http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | 13.10 Beta 2 released [10:01] Riddell, but have you sent out the announcements yet? [10:01] apachelogger: is it "safe" to pastebin that file? no nasty personal info? [10:04] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162136/ [10:05] jussi: if someone debug prints personal info they probably should be shot on sight :P [10:05] apachelogger: fair point [10:05] anyway, that seems to be missign a few lines... [10:06] hrr [10:06] nano says 11738 lines... :/ [10:07] oh nice it piles up sessions in the same file [10:07] yay [10:07] why that is vastly superior to .xsession-errors [10:08] now I get to not only search the trace of breakage but also the start of the flipping last session [10:08] I am in love with this change already [10:12] apachelogger: any thoughts on the issue at hand though? [10:17] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162192/ [10:17] seems that was missing from the paste for some reason? [10:18] jussi: do you use session restore [10:18] i.e. does your session restore after login [10:18] yes [10:18] that could be the problem [10:18] ooh beta 2 is out [10:19] jussi: mv .kde//share/config/session ~/ [10:19] then try again [10:22] with the double slash? [10:22] jussi: doesn't matter, but no [10:27] apachelogger: unfortunately didnt help [10:31] jussi: new log please [10:31] should be cleaner at least [10:31] oh [10:31] wait [10:31] apachelogger: it looks same as before... :/ sec [10:31] Ill give you the "tail" ? [10:31] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162219/ [10:31] jussi: echo "DisableAll=false" > ~/.kde/share/config/kdebugrc [10:31] tail is not enough [10:32] jussi: you could just rm the log before login [10:32] then it will only contain that one session [10:32] reducing paste load and eaiser to read ^^ [10:32] apachelogger: ok, allow me to do so. [10:32] and do that kdeburc thing from above [10:33] jussi: I still think your X explodes though [10:33] and actually [10:33] [9960:9960:0923/183326:ERROR:chrome_browser_main_x11.cc(62)] X IO error received (X server probably went away) [10:33] why would chrome show up if the session is clean [10:33] :O [10:33] oh I am being silly [10:34] jussi: also mv ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc ~/ [10:35] hrm, weird [10:36] that startkdelog has not re-appeared again after moving it [10:38] right... where now? :/ [10:42] perhaps that log was not related at all ^^ [10:42] oh god [10:42] yes? :P [10:43] which startkde; which plasma-desktop; which kwin; which ksplash; [10:45] apachelogger: /usr/bin/startkde /usr/bin/plasma-desktop /usr/bin/kwin [10:45] it says nothing about ksplash [10:45] I wonder... [10:46] nope, nothing "missing" (reinstalled kubuntu-desktop) [10:47] hm [10:48] gotta test this real quick [10:48] what is the next step after the beta 2 ? [10:50] jussi: go to a tty: sudo stop lightdm ... sudo Xorg :0 ... go to another tty: export DISPLAY=0 ... startkde &> startkdelog [10:50] what is the next step after the beta 2 ?? [10:50] eh wrong wrong [10:50] jussi: go to a tty: sudo stop lightdm ... sudo Xorg :0 ... go to another tty: export DISPLAY=:0 ... startkde &> startkdelog [10:51] cortexA9, RC? [10:51] Final release? [10:51] or maybe DISPLAY=0 works too [10:51] *shrug* [10:51] oh ok smartboyhw [10:51] jussi: anyway, if everything goes wrong the startkde tty should return since startkde crashed and startkdelog in your home should hold the log of that attempt [10:58] apachelogger: strange. that start kde works.... [11:01] so that upstart/logind/something crapware is kaput [11:02] or the session [11:02] jussi: rewind .... ctrl-c all the tty crap [11:02] ok [11:02] sudo killall Xorg; sleep 2; sudo start lightdm [11:02] then in lightdm make sure you actually have the plasma session selected :P [11:03] and please telll me if other sessions are also available [11:04] hiyas all [11:05] plasma workspace is selected and other sessions available [11:10] apachelogger: very strange this. anyway, going to play again later [11:12] apachelogger: although, I suspect this issue is with lightdm, or somewhere with my user. (Ubuntu session is selectable, but does same thing) [11:23] jussi: it's probably how that upstart/logind thing starts the session [11:24] i.e. since startkde starts just fine it can only be what starts startkde that fails [11:24] apachelogger: wait a moment please [11:24] I have fixored it.... [11:24] dont ask me exactly why.... [11:24] BUT [11:25] I installed kdm and logged in once via KDM. I then reconfigured back to light dm.... and hey presto, it works [11:25] lol [11:25] I do like reliable software :P [11:25] haha [11:32] Good afternoon. [11:35] jussi: i have installed 13.10 with uefi enabled and... it doesn't work [11:36] kununtu-devel = apachelogger ? [11:36] smartboyhw: nope === kununtu-devel is now known as Peace- [11:37] Well, I can't tell who:P [11:37] Peace-, hah hah hah [11:38] Yeah, I don't know why, but UEFI just doesn't like Kubuntu [11:38] I'm thinking about GRUB menu entries-.- [11:38] https://trello.com/c/r2YHDTII [11:39] smartboyhw: the installation is gone well but then i get i silly grub [11:39] Peace-, hmm [11:39] GRUB stuff then [11:39] Riddell: kwallet behaves within defined parameters now [11:40] yay [11:40] * smartboyhw thinks that since we use our seperate entry in GRUB "Kubuntu", now it doesn't work with UEFI [11:40] smartboyhw: it says grun in minimal mode [11:40] Peace-, grun!? [11:40] grub :P [11:40] Riddell: all out of energy now, pretty please get pitti to look at translation exports of kubuntu-* packages, I get all sorts of rage when hearing how the l10n export is hacked together [11:40] OK [11:40] out for today [11:40] * smartboyhw looks at some code... [11:41] * Peace- hates kubuntu lol [11:41] smartboyhw: drop /etc/default/grub.d and update-grub2 [11:41] if it works then our mapping is the problem [11:41] doubtable tho [11:41] * apachelogger now really gone [11:44] smartboyhw: another thing .... rekonq starts and ask me to install flash [11:44] smartboyhw: then ... i click ok install it ... and you get The package "flashplugin-installer" has not been found among your software sources. Therefore, it cannot be installed. [11:44] Peace-, what? [11:44] Peace-: have you done apt-get update yet? [11:44] Peace-, technically, Flash is unsupported in Linux [11:44] Riddell: done [11:44] (I mean, the newer versions) [11:44] smartboyhw: we do promt to install it? [11:45] Peace-: does that fix the rekonq installer? [11:45] Riddell, I never saw it? [11:45] Riddell: nope [11:45] Peace-: hmm really, I just tried it and it works fine here but I think you will see that problem if apt-get update hasn't been run (which is a bug) [11:46] Riddell: i am in a live cd btw maybe it's that? [11:46] Riddell: anyway i have installed vlc properly [11:46] Peace-: oh yes that'll affect it to, no non-free on the live cd [11:47] Riddell: but if you are connect to internet ... [11:47] and you do update [11:47] it should install it [11:47] Riddell: anyway with uefi ... it doesn't work [11:48] Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/27/plasma-desktops14947.png [11:49] right, no multiverse on the live image, it should have a check for that [11:49] Peace-: feel free to report a bug [11:49] Peace-: uefi is a mysterious quagmire that we need to do better at [11:50] Riddell: btw i have tested cuz you have wirtten on kde planet [11:50] xD [11:50] :) [11:50] it went bad damn :P [11:50] my blogging works! [11:50] sure it works i read often [11:51] it [11:59] Riddell, first problem: I don't see grub-efi-amd64-signed package included in Kubuntu [12:00] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/grub2/saucy/view/head:/debian/patches/install_signed.patch [12:00] ?! [12:01] Hmm [12:01] That's not included in Ubuntu as well [12:01] Further checks then [12:03] hello [12:05] hi cortexA9 [12:05] hi Riddell [12:11] * Riddell posts kubuntu.org/news/1310-beta-2-released [12:11] had some odd or what appeared as arbitraray shutdowns / power off incidents, twice yesterday without warning [12:13] Riddell, that's the shortest announcement ever-.- [12:13] I never know what to say for beta announcements, doesn't feel right duplicating what's on the release page [12:14] but maybe a summary would be good [12:17] Can someone explain why we still have the 13.04 trello board? [12:19] smartboyhw: for any SRUs [12:29] apachelogger: ruby confuses me [12:43] I have question , who or what part of Kubuntu made the decision to drop Konversation as default and replace it with Quassel ? [12:43] that was back when Konversation was KDE3 only and we moved to KDE4 [12:43] (and dropped all KDE3 parts) [12:45] we'd probably not make the same choice if we started from scratch but there's not been enough reason to justify switching the application back again [12:46] BluesKaj, technically, Konversation is crap for the many channels I join... [12:46] smartboyhw: how so? [12:47] Riddell, the tabs get all clumped together at the bottom [12:47] I can't even read the channel's names [12:47] smartboyhw: and it has no list view option? [12:47] Dunno, haven't checked [12:48] However, I always use XChat [12:48] smartboyhw: I've been using konversation for 7yrs ..it's great irc client ..definitely not crap as you put it. [12:48] So, I hate IRC clients that do not put list view as default. [12:48] tough [12:48] boo hoo [12:49] speaking of crap , xchat fits that definition IMO [12:50] this is all getting a bit slashdot! [12:50] :) [12:50] xchat is ok, xchat-gnome is... not [12:51] konversation is very nice, I'd use it if I didn't need the distributed core thing quassel provides (simply) [12:52] tsimpson: to monitor when away , yeah , that would be the only reason to use it [12:53] and it;'s fugly too :0 [12:53] right now my quassel can't quite decide what colour it wants to be [12:53] light grey or a darker grey [12:54] ok , my rants are done for the day until some one else makes a statement I don't like :) [12:55] * BluesKaj thinks he needs a few beers today [12:56] !ninjas | 4.11.2 [12:56] 4.11.2: Ninja Time! apachelogger, debfx, JontheEchidna, Quintasan, Riddell, ScottK, yofel, smartboyhw, murthy [12:57] Yay [12:57] OK, who wants to run the script? [12:57] (And gain LP karmas:P) [12:58] I can do it shortly but feel free to jump in [12:59] Then let Riddell gain the karmas:P [13:13] apachelogger: yes [13:38] Riddell: I think that's the wrong queue you are uploading to ^^ [13:38] oh rollocks [13:42] Riddell, good job;) [13:48] Riddell: did you upload? [13:48] or should I run the script [13:48] shadeslayer: I'm running it [13:48] okay [13:48] uploaded lib* to ninjas [14:02] Riddell: was that a question? [14:02] dantti_laptop: about l10n? [14:02] yup [14:03] dantti_laptop: I was going to send you the releaseme config file but I deleted it so it ended up as a slightly pointless e-mail :) [14:03] dantti_laptop: consider it a suggestion for the 0.4 release [14:03] Riddell: well I use release me to release it [14:03] dantti_laptop: but no l10n? [14:03] so I wonder what did you do [14:03] no? [14:03] hmm I thought it had l10n [14:04] not in the 0.3 tar [14:04] Riddell: hmm maybe something went wrong [14:04] if you look at releaseme git iirc there is a script for colord-kde [14:06] hmm yes so there is [14:06] ah but without l10n=true [14:06] oh [14:07] mind fixing :D [14:07] can do [14:09] done [14:14] smartboyhw, didn't know you're only 15, wow … [14:15] * mikhas can't remember what he did at that age but it certainly wasn't contributing to F/OSS [14:22] mikhas, hmm, from which method did you know my age? (I mean just now) [14:23] I believe you mentioned it here at least once, this channel is logged :P [14:23] Riddell: thanks [14:25] Quintasan, no, i mean, how he managed to find it out "just now" [14:25] :P [14:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/smartboyhw [14:26] Quintasan, OK [14:26] https://www.google.pl/search?q=smartboyhw [14:26] sup [14:26] hah? [14:26] Just try googling yourself sometimes :P [14:26] Seriously, 46,500 !? [14:27] Hello [14:28] You'd get 681k results for my nickname [14:28] ahoneybun: Hi [14:28] Hey Quintasan [14:28] Quintasan, good job;) [14:28] * smartboyhw searches Riddell [14:28] huh, 5.52m [14:28] I'm not really doing anything praiseworthy from my perspective [14:29] Riddell, I didn't know you make American Footballs :P [14:29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddell [14:29] So your a Dev now smartboyhw ? [14:29] ahoneybun, yes [14:29] smartboyhw: nice job :) [14:29] ahoneybun, thanks. How's Docs? [14:30] smartboyhw: that company ruins my pageranks [14:30] Going good lordievader and Riddell are doing awesome work [14:30] Riddell, LOL [14:30] hi ahoneybun, did you see it's on the CD now? [14:31] Riddell: no I did not [14:32] That's awesome [14:33] My phone is dieing [14:33] Riddell: awesome work on the package [14:34] ahoneybun: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu#Documentation_is_Back [14:34] So should we not make a minimal set? [14:34] I don't see a need for that [14:34] we're not oversized on the images [14:37] I don't think so neither [14:38] That is great [14:39] Riddell, please make ninjas status page for 4.11.2 [14:39] smartboyhw, jos' blog post [14:39] smartboyhw: will do shortly, getting distracted by l10n [14:39] mikhas, oh [14:39] * ahoneybun wonders if valorie knows [14:42] um, we seem to only have qtcreator for qt5 in the archive [14:43] Riddell: how should we go about translating? [14:43] ahoneybun: well that's a whole different problem [14:44] 1% left of battery [14:44] Tea I know [14:44] ahoneybun: I think the local download script needs perfecting, then some magic to split up the files and put them into launchpad for translating [14:44] There is one person to translate so far [14:45] anybody else has problems with new plasma-nm in beta2? on startup it freezes splash screen for a few seconds and then when desktop boots up it asks for wifi password (I checked connect automaticaly) [14:45] no I am using old plasma-widget-networkmanagement and it works great [14:45] *now [14:47] and muon discover freezes/crashes like crazy. other than that everything works great. great job guys :) [14:48] Whoo are the docs on the final beta iso? Nice! [14:48] Hey ahoneybun, how have you been? [14:49] ah and in user manager "change password" button doesn't work. should I report a bug about it? [14:49] lordievader: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Kubuntu#Documentation_is_Back [14:49] lordievader: but I had to make some manual changes to the tar you had so we should work on perfecting that script of yours first [14:50] Riddell: As I said then too, I have no idea how to package that stuff properly... [14:50] But it is very nice to see the docs included :) [14:50] lordievader: the packaging is easy, I did that already, it's the exact form of the tar you had [14:50] lordievader: want to look at it now? [14:51] Riddell: Sure, let met just reboot my laptop into Kubuntu. [14:54] kde bug 324702 fixed! [14:54] KDE bug 324702 in discover "tab switching breaks after clicking on Sources" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324702 [14:54] I'm considering having two 13.10 systems in one computer.......... [14:54] Riddell, \o/ [14:54] snele: if you have issues with muon discover then apol is working on it now [14:54] Riddell: OK, I'm ready :) [14:54] Riddell: :D [14:54] Riddel: apol: yay! :) [14:55] here is the bug report about user manager: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/user-manager/+bug/1232060 [14:55] Ubuntu bug 1232060 in user-manager (Ubuntu) ""Change password" button doesn't work in user manager (Kubuntu 13.10 beta2)" [Undecided,New] [14:56] snele: I've a nasty feeling that's the one afiestas didn't implement to make sure people were watching [14:56] but I'm sure I tested it for that reason [14:58] lordievader: what should happen if I run the tokhelp.py script? [14:58] Riddell: Can you tell me what's the nick of the dude who was working on Adept black magic back in the days? [14:58] I think he had chicken in his nickname [14:58] Quintasan: manchicken? [14:58] Ay, yes [14:58] He is from US, right? [14:59] yes, very much [14:59] kubotu: order chicken for Quintasan [14:59] * kubotu slides chicken down the bar to Quintasan [14:59] Riddell: Is he working on anything Kubuntu releated now? I've asked him to take a look at the PolicyKit KCM sometime ago if he felt like it. [15:00] kubotu: order whisky for Quintasan [15:00] * kubotu slides whisky down the bar to Quintasan [15:00] apachelogger: Where be me kubotu lines? [15:00] Riddell: Pretty much the same as the tohtml script, it creates an output folder with a 'kubuntu' folder within. This 'kubunutu' folder contains the things that should go to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/ [15:00] Quintasan: dunno, he popped back up a few weeks ago and said he wanted to get back into things, I suggested the docs download script but he didn't do it, good thing we have lordievader [15:01] Alright, I'll try staying up long enough to catch him if he decides to show up [15:01] I've forgotten about MTP as well [15:01] Christ [15:02] Quintasan, make yourself a checklist;) [15:02] Riddell: We have to get libhupnp into main in some kind of magic way [15:02] * smartboyhw basically has a long checklist for homewori [15:02] *homework [15:02] Quintasan: came online at 01:00UTC last night so you'll be up quite late [15:02] smartboyhw: I forget about making checklists [15:02] :P [15:02] Quintasan, LOL [15:02] Quintasan: why? didn't we conclude hupnp wasn't very funcational? [15:02] functional? [15:02]