[00:13] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[00:14] <mattwj2002> what cool stuff can I expect in the new ubuntu?
[00:37] <DJJeff> Pack Skype for Saucy with PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=30 to resolve PulseAudio 4.0 incompatability with sound and distrotion.
[01:50] <OliverKloshoff> Hey guys, I know most of you guys are probably on Ubuntu and not Kubuntu. But I am hoping some people may be.
[01:50] <OliverKloshoff> I just had an security cert error in telepathy using gtalk when connecting for the first time. But when I try to reproduce by using 13.04 and KDE 4.11 I don't get the error
[02:04] <OliverKloshoff> So, no one in here running 13.10 that could test this?
[02:15] <snayth> Any suggestions on a distro that is best suited to run VirtualBox but you could also watch an occasional Netflix movie or youtube.  Hardware is: 4x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 650 @ 3.20GHz ~ 8GB's ram, ~ 1TB Sata drive ? ? ?
[02:16] <pepee> OliverKloshoff, I use kde, but I don't use telepathy nor gtalk...
[02:16] <wilee-nilee> this is ubuntu support take a guess my advice. ;)
[02:17] <pepee> snayth, depends on hardware
[02:17] <snayth> pepee: I listed hardware
[02:17] <pepee> if your hardware works, it will work in almost every distro, but ubuntu is very good for starters and... anyone :)
[02:17] <pepee> snayth, graphics card?
[02:17] <pepee> integrated?
[02:21] <snayth> Ah thats Nvidia 9600 I believe Running on 26" Samsung w/HDMI
[02:33] <johnjohn101> so is it really only 9 months support on 13.10?
[02:42] <OliverKloshoff> johnjohn101: the same as 13.04
[02:42] <OliverKloshoff> After 12.10 the cut the support cycle, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[02:43] <johnjohn101> wow 9 months for non lts
[02:44] <OliverKloshoff> not sure why it really matters...
[02:44] <johnjohn101> yeah, everyone upgrades
[02:45] <OliverKloshoff> And lts for servers
[09:08] <OveRisberg> I am trying to do a network install of 13.10 on a Dell Latitude E5420 but it fails to configure the network.
[09:08] <OveRisberg> This is a few lines from dmesg (let me know if you need the complete Call trace):
[09:09] <OveRisberg> [   13.092337] ieee80211 phy0: brcmsmac: fail to load firmware brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw
[09:09] <OveRisberg> [  242.044566] INFO: task ip:1934 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[09:09] <OveRisberg> [  242.044570] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
[09:09] <OveRisberg> [  242.044573] ip              D 0000000a     0  1934   1931 0x00000000
[09:09] <OveRisberg> [  242.044578]  dfa35cc8 00000082 00406100 0000000a fffee884 00000000 00000000 c1a52600
[09:09] <OveRisberg> [  242.044585]  36ac4306 00000003 c1a52600 f5b82600 dfb6a6a0 c10575ff dfa35c88 c163f2d8
[09:09] <OveRisberg> [  242.044592]  dfa34000 dfa35cd0 c1637cdc dfa34000 dfb6a6a0 00000000 dfa35ce4 c1955020
[09:09] <OveRisberg> [  242.044599] Call Trace:
[09:09] <OveRisberg> [  242.044610]  [<c10575ff>] ? irq_exit+0x5f/0xa0
[09:10] <OveRisberg> [  242.044617]  [<c163f2d8>] ? smp_apic_timer_interrupt+0x38/0x50
[09:10] <OveRisberg> ...
[09:13] <prp-e> Is Ubuntu 13.10 Beta released?!
[09:17] <OveRisberg> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/09/ubuntu-13-10-final-beta-released-download
[09:20] <prp-e> OveRisberg, Thanks.
[10:15] <lagerpc> Does anyone know which nVidia drivers will be present in Ubuntu 13.10, and will it solve the issues with Optimus?
[10:32] <lagerpc> Anyone here?
[10:57] <oz0ne> In the current ubuntu i need to recompile kernel and incr the define of HID_MAX_USAGES to get a mouse working, is that an extremly dirty fix? Will i have to do it for the next ubuntu aswell? (something eg. http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/hardware/473200-usb-gaming-mouse-04d9-a078-not-working-linux-plus-workaround.html ) after some googling i saw the same kind of
[10:57] <oz0ne> issue that could also be solved with incr the define of max_usages. but in that case i tried to look at a patch that were supplied for another mouse ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=767810&action=diff ), if someone got the knowledge, what exactly happens here, in the patch? "rdesc[116] = 0x2f;"
[10:58] <oz0ne> i would be pleased to submit a patch instead of diryhacking it for personal use.
[11:04] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:08] <ikonia> oz0ne: why do you have to recompile the kernel for that ?
[11:08] <ikonia> oz0ne: is it a crazy odd mouse ?
[11:13] <oz0ne> ikonia: in my case is it a SHARKOON DarkGlider mouse, i also had the same issue with a roccat kone some back in time.
[11:14] <ikonia> oz0ne: are there any drawbacks from the settings you changed ?
[11:15] <oz0ne> ikonia: not as i know of, as i have to little expirence with the kernel i can't say exactly why the default value is set at the point it is.
[11:15] <oz0ne> ikonia: did you have a quick look at the urls?
[11:16] <ikonia> oz0ne: maybe worth logging a bug, so that it's got a documented problem and fix, than push that bug to one of the kernel packages and see if you can get those features into the ubuntu kernel packages
[11:16] <ikonia> oz0ne: that way you can keep with the kernel packages supplied by ubuntu
[11:16] <ikonia> and you won't have to do this and others can see the problem/fix too
[12:00] <oz0ne> ikonia: i will try to look some more into it =)
[12:24] <brainwash> did anyone else notice that slock, i3lock and maybe other locker tools are "corrupting" the screen after unlocking the session?
[12:24] <brainwash> the screen remains black and flickers slightly when moving the mouse
[12:25] <brainwash> eventually the black screen disappears, but I'm not sure when and why
[13:35] <tarvid> linux-image-extra-3.11.0-8-generic_3.11.0-8.15.amd64.deb is failing the MD5sum checksum on 2 DVDs, Should I download again?
[14:36] <SuperLag> kicked. to the curb.
[14:37] <SuperLag> Trying to figure out why when I have a Terminal window maximized, I don't see any menus at the top of the screen.
[14:37] <SuperLag> only window controls
[14:37] <SuperLag> I'm trying to get to the Preferences menu, but no menus at all show up
[15:12] <oz0ne> ikonia: managed to find out why the value is like it is (cause of the way the parser works), and i bet it won't be changed. It is the hardware giving a faulty value of the descriptor. It is possible to write a driver to correct the descriptor if it isn't allready done. I will keep an eye on it and check it out later. : )
[15:24] <ikonia> oz0ne: nice work !
[15:30] <Dark_light> Can anyone tell me if the scopes can be disabled/enabled selectively (eg. disabling amazon ads but keeping wikipedia or the weather) ?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> Dark_light:  I use adblock edge on firefox which seems to work well disabled all kinds of ads , probly flash and java
[15:32] <BluesKaj> disabling rather
[15:33] <BluesKaj> not all flash of course
[15:33] <Dark_light> humm we're not talking about the same thing
[15:33] <Dark_light> maybe I was not clear
[15:33] <Dark_light> I'm talking about the scopes in unity if I can enable/disable them selectively
[15:34] <BluesKaj> dunno about unity ..kde here
[15:34] <BluesKaj> think that's a bummer that canonical sponsors embedded ads
[15:35] <Dark_light> oh ok, I'm a kde user myself but wanted to give those a shot they seemed pretty cool last time I checked them , problem was that it was all or nothing
[15:35] <BluesKaj> goes against the free software philosophy IMO
[15:36] <Dark_light> yeah that was a pretty cheap move I don't know how one can find amazon suggestions useful too
[15:37] <BluesKaj> if I need something from amazon or any other supplier I don't need an ad to find it :)
[15:38] <ikonia> the best thing to do with that is log a bug for it being enabled by default and get people to comment on it
[15:38] <ikonia> I agree it should not be on by default, or should be an install options to enable/disable
[15:39] <BluesKaj> that was another reason that unity p**ed me off
[15:40] <Dark_light> the main issue for me is not whether it's enabled by default or an option at install time, the main issue is that a lot of the scopes that have been added are actually useful now. There's wether previsions youtube videos, wikipedia entries and so forth but there's only a switch that says online suggestions on or off, all or nothing
[15:41] <ikonia> Dark_light: another good bug - get it logged, get traction
[15:43] <SuperLag> So.... no one else has the issue with the menus disappearing when Terminal is maximized?
[15:43] <johnjohn101> superlag, my terminal works
[15:45] <BluesKaj> SuperLag: install guake for unity/gnome or yakuake for kde , you won't regret it
[15:46] <SuperLag> BluesKaj: what is that?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> it's adrop down shell /terminal using the F12 key , very handy and configurable
[15:47] <BluesKaj> SuperLag:  ^
[15:49] <SuperLag> johnjohn101: hmm.... I wonder if I screwed something up then. I typically don't mess with Terminal other than to set the theme to white-on-black
[15:52] <SuperLag> So how can you tell what your system fixed width font is?
[15:52] <SuperLag> I figured that'd be in the Appearance settings.... but no dice
[15:53] <SuperLag> BluesKaj: is the ad integration specific to Unity?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> SuperLag:  dunno , not sure
[15:55] <BluesKaj> SuperLag:  KDE here , couldn't handle unity
[15:56] <SuperLag> KDE got too weird for me
[15:57] <SuperLag> Gnome too, kinda... :/
[15:57] <BluesKaj> this what yakuake looks like on my large monitot , ..use ctrl - to reduce the size
[15:57] <BluesKaj> http://imagebin.org/272102
[16:34] <ikonia> !info linux-image
[17:38] <agrester> I'm using the 13.10 Beta 2 and how do I tell if I'm using Xmir?
[17:39] <wilee-nilee> !mir
[17:39] <wilee-nilee> not fully implemented until 14.04 I believe
[17:40] <agrester> Okay, but from the command line how do I tell if it's running?
[17:42] <agrester> Thanks for the info, I'll do some reading...
[18:32] <cyberkilla> Did anyone else install gnome 3.10 and end up with broken keyboard shortcuts?
[18:37] <cyberkilla> So much idling [-__-] :'(
[18:39] <wilee-nilee> !ppa | cyberkilla
[18:44] <cyberkilla> That's fascinating (_8(|)
[18:45] <FernandoMiguel> cyberkilla: for a few days I had lots of keys not work
[18:45] <FernandoMiguel> but today looks ok
[18:45] <bazhang> I know the 3.8 PPA has *numerous* warnings, I'd imagine 3.10 would have even more.
[18:45] <FernandoMiguel> I can do @ and ] again
[18:46] <wilee-nilee> asking here is well, special, lol
[18:47] <cyberkilla> FernandoMiguel, for me, it seems to be certain keyboard shortcuts. The individual keys are still working, and xev picks them up, but volume, CTRL+ALT+T, etc., don't do anything.
[18:47] <cyberkilla> It isn't a major issue, I just thought I'd mention it in case someone else had already found the solution :)
[18:49] <BluesKaj> ctrl+alt+t hasn't worked for ages
[18:49] <cyberkilla> bazhang, yeah, they have a fair few warnings. In my experience, I've only had issues when using gnome-staging. I'm only using gnome-next atm. Perhaps it's missing a few packages.
[18:50] <cyberkilla> BluesKaj, really? Is it not the default binding any more? I've been using it recently.
[18:52] <cyberkilla> wilee-nilee, I ask here because I'm using a pre-release version of Ubuntu and I wish to discuss it :-p
[18:52] <BluesKaj> cyberkilla:  perhaps there's an input setting for it that I'm missing , dunno for sure
[18:52] <wilee-nilee> works here in the shell
[18:53] <BluesKaj> it's supposed to launch the terminal , correct?
[18:53] <cyberkilla> BluesKaj, yeah, usually launches the terminal for me.
[18:54] <BluesKaj> using yakuake anyway so i don't miss the terminal much
[18:55] <cyberkilla> I appreciate the responses btw :) I think I might be best served by reformatting and doing another fresh install. It has been a good few releases since I've done that, and the obscure issues are starting to build up.
[18:56] <cyberkilla> For a long time, I've had a problem with dconf-service, where it absolutely hammers my hard disk for no good reason. Certain windows will trigger megabytes of disk writes as you drag them around the screen.
[18:57] <cyberkilla> GNOME System Monitor does the same thing if you resize any of its panes. I get the impression that they're storing something in dconf, and dconf is committing it immediately to disk, for no good reason. Only one person has confirmed that they have the same problem. Everyone else I've asked can't reproduce it. Very strange :)
[19:23] <tux_> how do I disable ALL Scopes
[19:23] <tux_> not going through each one individually..
[21:26] <MoPac> Hello; I'm having continuing problems doing an upgrade-in-place to saucy (error is unable to calculate). It would be great if I could get some diagnostic support, as the problem may be related to some broken library packages
[21:33] <wilee-nilee> MoPac, How much have you tweaked raring, ie PPA's etc, and can you do a clean update/upgrade in raring?
[21:34] <MoPac> wilee-nilee: I have a number of PPAs in sources.list.d, but I have cleaned things up -- no custom lines in the main sources.list file, and no failed retrievals now in update/upgrade
[21:35] <MoPac> running autoremove/autoclean, apt-get install -f before attempting upgrade doesn't help
[21:37] <wilee-nilee> MoPac, Did you run ppa purge? run sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and pastebin all of it.
[21:38] <MoPac> is ppa purge an apt command?
[21:38] <MoPac> apt-ppa-purge?
[21:38] <wilee-nilee> apt-get install -f is for stopped or broken updates
[21:38] <wilee-nilee> !ppa-purge
[21:38] <wilee-nilee> MoPac, Do the pastebin of those commands
[21:40] <MoPac> I guess if I'm going to run purge I'll need to back up my current sources.list.d folder; one sec
[21:42] <MoPac> wilee-nilee: This is an earlier pastebin from the same fail http://pastebin.com/aTNjstTV
[21:47] <wilee-nilee> MoPac, I doubt your going to get that to upgrade without some serious fixing, which if you knew you would not be here.
[21:48] <wilee-nilee> theoretically anything is fixable, however I see a big mess there.
[21:49] <wilee-nilee> and we are not really communicating, you have not even run the command I suggested.
[21:51] <MoPac> wilee-nilee: I heard something similar when I asked in here a few days ago...i.e., something like "that looks pretty broken", but the thing is I don't really understand what the brokenness actually is
[21:51] <MoPac> I have just run purge
[21:51] <MoPac> and am now on the apt-get update
[21:54] <MoPac> here is a paste from that
[21:54] <MoPac> http://pastebin.com/ghnnhWU3
[21:55] <MoPac> (dist-upgrade is also not on there, but it modified 0 files)
[21:57] <Rallias> Ahh, upgrade day.
[21:58] <MoPac> Rallias: For me it's been more like failed upgrade fortnight, sadly
[21:58] <wilee-nilee> MoPac, You still have quantal and 3rd party repo stuff there. YOu have to run the purge on the PPA's when they are still in the sources.list.d and use their ppa info. http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html
[21:58] <Rallias> MoPac, Well, strictly speaking, I'm doing fresh install.
[21:58] <wilee-nilee> are you aware of /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[21:59] <MoPac> wilee-nilee: Yes
[21:59] <wilee-nilee> cool
[21:59] <Rallias> Are there any major changes for 13.10 that I need to be aware of?
[21:59] <Rallias> Like the switch from system v to upstart... stuff like that.
[22:00] <MoPac> wilee-nilee: I ran purge on * ; do I need to run it on each ppa individually that I see in the sources.list.d?
[22:00] <wilee-nilee> yes
[22:01] <wilee-nilee> MoPac, however it will revert everything to whats in the regular repos.
[22:02] <SonikkuAmerica> On another note, why on earth are PPAs directly thrown into sources.list.d ?
[22:02] <MoPac> wilee-nilee: I'm a bit confused by that -- if I have a third-party repository in my sources.list.d, how can it be reverted ?
[22:02] <wilee-nilee> It is a guess though that is the problem, you certainly have dependency problems.
[22:02] <SonikkuAmerica> If it's in sources.list itself you can use ppa-purge
[22:02] <SonikkuAmerica> !ppa-purge
[22:02] <wilee-nilee> MoPac, ppa-purge does it at its best.
[22:04] <wilee-nilee> SonikkuAmerica, canonical made sources.list.d for ppa's and 3rd party repos is all.
[22:05] <MoPac> wilee-nilee: I guess what I'm trying to ask is: what can it mean to "revert" something to a standard repo if it is third-party software not packaged in Ubuntu usually?
[22:05] <SonikkuAmerica> wilee-nilee: My point is why bother *directly with sources.list.d when you can put the PPAs in sources.list ?
[22:06] <Rallias> SonikkuAmerica, Most people suggest using add-apt-repository, which puts crud in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[22:06] <wilee-nilee> MoPac, If its not the repo it wont, only the upgrades out of it from 3rd parties like a ppa..etc are replaced by the ubuntu repo.
[22:07] <wilee-nilee> SonikkuAmerica, You don't have to, if done ubuntu's way it loads the key as well, in the sources.list you have to add the key.
[22:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Rallias: It does, but it doesn't direct-deposit the "crud" in sources.list.d IIRC (it at least gets tee'd into /etc/apt/sources.list)
[22:08] <Rallias> What planet are you living on again? Every time I've used add-apt-repository it's put it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[22:08] <MoPac> Is there a way to command apt to rebuild its database of sources based on the lines in sources.list and the files in sources.list.d
[22:08] <Rallias> MoPac, apt-get update
[22:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Rallias: Lemme look at it again
[22:08] <TJ-> /etc/sources.list (a file) is for the Ubuntu official archives; /etc/sources.list.d/ (the directory) is for user-installed additional archives
[22:09] <SonikkuAmerica> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6164659/ <<< My sources.list after adding ppa:tualatrix/ppa using the CLI
[22:10] <SonikkuAmerica> (Look @ the last line)
[22:10] <Rallias> Last line
[22:10] <Rallias> Ubuntu Extras.
[22:10] <TJ-> SonikkuAmerica: That's a standard sources.list - there's no PPA there
[22:10] <SonikkuAmerica> In - teresting.
[22:11] <wilee-nilee> SonikkuAmerica, this "## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by third-party"?
[22:11] <Rallias> Speaking of which... I really need to make myself a PPA for some crap.
[22:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Well... sometimes I have to [ tee -a ] stuff (like the VBox PPAs for the latest version)... Hmm.
[22:11] <TJ-> PPAs will have URLs of the form "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/scribus/ppa/ubuntu raring main"
[22:12] <SonikkuAmerica> TJ-: Actually they won't so much have deb-src as deb if the source isn't included.
[22:13] <TJ-> Of course - that was an example of what to expect... ppa.lauchpad.net being the key part
[22:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh.
[22:14] <TJ-> "egrep '^deb.*ppa\.launchpad\.net' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/" will list all the PPAs
[22:14] <MoPac> At the moment, ppa-purge is throwing errors regarding PPAs that aren't anywhere near sources.list or sources.list.d -- I'm going to try a restart and then re apt-get update...
[22:14] <TJ-> or it would if I could type!
[22:15] <TJ-> "egrep '^deb.*ppa\.launchpad\.net' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*" :)
[22:17] <SonikkuAmerica> TJ-: Oh'^ ^\!my^% goodness^!' so much punctuation!'\{%'"
[22:18] <wilee-nilee> my favorite both lists  "grep -vr "^#" /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/}"
[22:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Hello axelm7 from #ubuntu
[22:19] <TJ-> wilee-nilee: mine is usually "egrep -v '^(#|$)' ..."
[22:20] <SonikkuAmerica> [ egrep !@#$%^&*()_++_)(*&^%$#@! ]
[22:20] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[22:20] <wilee-nilee> TJ-, I just found mine on the web and use it, I could not code my way out of a paper bag
[22:21] <axelm7> hi guys, I am usually a Centos/Fedora user but for this specific installation I am using Ubuntu 13.10. Box has AMD 64 x2 / nvidia chipset and nvidia 6300 onboard video. nouveau is behaving really weird, even in 2D. can someone guide me on how to install nVidia blob drivers?
[22:21]  * TJ- laughs ....
[22:21] <TJ-> ... I had to get into RegExps but it took a while
[22:22] <SonikkuAmerica> axelm7: What !flavor ? Unity?
[22:23] <TJ-> axelm7: If you're using the free drivers and Unity then it's likely using the Mir display-server. It might therefore be a bug.
[22:23] <axelm7> to be honest my only experience with ubuntu is with a headless server, so I would not if it's unity or not
[22:23] <TJ-> axelm7: Is it a desktop GUI install?
[22:23] <SonikkuAmerica> That reminds me... (I'm using Ubuntu GNOME 13.10) Is there a way to tell what display server I'm running?
[22:23] <axelm7> desktop amd64
[22:24] <TJ-> See http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/using_mir_on_pc.html
[22:24] <SonikkuAmerica> I ask particularly because I'm starting to see Wayland libs make their way in and I'd like to see whether or not I'm still using X
[22:49] <Daekdroom> Is anyone else's Online Accounts settings work ok, specifically when it comes to Google accounts?
[22:50] <Daekdroom> Meh. It was a matter of removing them and adding them back.
[22:58] <arayaq> Hi, I have a fresh install of Saucy on a HP notebook with a Llano APU (A8-4500M). I was expecting to solve some overheating problems, but the temperature keeps being around the 80 C when not idle. How do I check if DPM is running correctly or at least running?
[22:58] <Ari-Yang> arayaq, type dmesg grep | dpm
[22:58] <Ari-Yang> this is DPM for kernel 3.11, yes?
[22:59] <arayaq> Ari-Yang: dmesg | grep dpm has no output
[23:13] <axelm7> TJ-, MIR is disabled
[23:13] <axelm7> Everything is normal until after logging in
[23:14] <axelm7> the top bar and the left sidebar show weird artifacts
[23:14] <axelm7> I'm not going to waste any time troubleshooting this. I'll just download 13.04. Thanks guys
[23:36] <snayth> Is there a way move applets in the panel to the left or the right ? ? ~ Running 10.4LTS Lucid Gnome2
[23:37] <ariel__> help
[23:37] <ariel__> i am from colombia
[23:38] <ariel__> eclipse no func whit java 8
[23:38] <ariel__> my english is so so
[23:39] <Ari-Yang> not sure if this is the right channel to ask... but will ubuntu 13.10 support UVD?
[23:39] <Ari-Yang> arayaq, yeah, if my laptop is on for a while, there is no dpm output...
[23:40] <Ari-Yang> you'd run it after you reboot and login to your user account
[23:49] <pepee> ariel__, install  openjdk-7-jre
[23:50] <pepee> Ari-Yang, should work with kernel 3.11, but you need libg3dvl-mesa from oibaf's repo  :)
[23:57] <ariel__> yes
[23:57] <ariel__> no func
[23:57] <ariel__> con java 7