[07:05] <popey> GTA5 was £41.79 on Amazon yesterday, now it's £41.59.
[07:05]  * popey refreshes hoping it drops by 20p each time
[07:19] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:37] <mungbean> wow, whats the RRP? 49.99?
[07:38] <mungbean> what's the stats for most of the sales of a game, is it the builk are sold in the first 3months or something?
[07:41] <mungbean> google seem to have changed their ranking in preference for news, since a generic search on games data is mostly blogs and news articles about gta5 on the first 3 pages
[07:41] <popey> I suspect there would be a surge once GTA online is available
[07:41] <popey> will put GTA5 on my Christmas list I think (aka Amazon wishlist)
[07:44] <directhex> mungbean, console games it's a peak then a decline from there. there's not much "long tail" selling for console games
[07:47] <directhex> mungbean, it's actually the first 3 weeks that determine whether a game is a success or a flop, since so few sales happen after then as to be statistically unimportant
[07:47] <mungbean> so high st shops tend to focus on top 20 to maximise sales, hence creating no variety
[07:47] <mungbean> then its self fulfilling
[07:51] <popey> the companies aren't making non-AAA titles though are they?
[07:51] <popey> it's basically now just AAA, Mobile and Indie as 3 main categories?
[07:53] <directhex> well
[07:53] <directhex> remember, AAA is about marketing budget, not game budget
[07:54] <directhex> industry magazines have game adverts, but they're not "this game is good", they're "this game has a £20m multi-media marketing campaign, you are guaranteed easy sales". high street stores have limited shelf space, so buy games they think will sell
[07:55] <popey> https://twitter.com/mikeBithell/status/383499821304532992
[07:55] <popey> so the steamos factor is working on devs
[07:55] <popey> https://twitter.com/icculus/status/383438796882067456 also
[07:55] <directhex> digital distribution has carved out room for B-tier publishers who had struggled to find shelf space
[07:56] <popey> true
[07:56] <directhex> i wouldn't call Paradox "indie", but i wouldn't call them "AAA"
[07:56] <popey> many of the mid-tier have left to mobile though?
[07:56] <popey> as opposed to pc/x/ps3
[07:57] <directhex> paradox. sega. kalypso. focus
[07:57] <popey> http://minecraft.egmont.co.uk/ - xmas present for sam right there
[07:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Geek/space fest :-D http://dirkloechel.deviantart.com/art/Size-Comparison-Science-Fiction-spaceships-398790051
[07:59] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: ^^ your kids might like that too
[08:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Indeed.
[08:13] <mungbean> does anyone know how to block activesync from having permissions to remote wipe a device?
[08:13] <mungbean> does xprivacy do it?
[08:14] <popey> i found something years ago that did it
[08:14] <popey> cant remember the name though
[08:15] <mungbean> at this rate i'm gonna set up a gmail account which access the exchange server via imap rather than allow these permission
[08:15] <mungbean> openpdroid?
[08:50] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Ask A Stupid Question Day! :-D
[08:52] <SuperMatt> I don't have any stupid questions. Do I have to leave if I don't have a stupid question?
[08:54] <popey> That'll do.
[08:55] <Laney> pig
[08:55]  * JamesTait rofls
[08:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:00] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[09:14] <mungbean> reddit device: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/1647/?pfm=Search&t=karma%20controller%20diy%20reddit%20interface%20device
[10:12] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:15] <SuperMatt> morning davmor2
[10:15]  * SuperMatt has started the day by raising bug 12311901
[10:16] <SuperMatt> bug 1231901
[10:25] <davmor2> SuperMatt: let the server team know about that on the #ubuntu-server channel sounds like something they should look into asap  me hopes that is the right channel ;)
[10:37] <popey> \o/ http://popey.com/webcam/ cat cam!
[10:38] <davmor2> popey: wow your cat has no face
[10:40] <popey> he is black and has eyes shut
[10:41] <SuperMatt> davmor2: will do :D
[10:44]  * MooDoo makes a mental note to make his ip cam internet viewable
[10:44] <davmor2> popey: it has no face.....well that or the definition on the webcam isn't the best in the world and it just looks that way maybe.....But I'm going for no face!!!
[10:54] <directhex> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gameware/james-pond-pond-is-back?ref=live
[11:02] <ali1234> i never liked that game :/
[11:03] <mungbean> savage pond ftw
[11:13] <mungbean> hangon , not even any mock up screenshots?
[11:31] <mungbean> WFH sucks when you cannot get an answer from someone on something urgent
[11:33] <ali1234> world federation of haemophilia?
[11:33] <diddledan> wonderful frontier homocides?
[11:34] <mungbean> working from home
[11:34] <diddledan> aah, I'm usually the one that people can't get the answer from when I work from home :-p
[11:36] <diddledan> I spend much more time on irc when I work from home because I don't worry about appearances - I procrastinate just as much at the office but it looks like I'm still working
[11:38] <mungbean> i apear to have just wee'd on myself
[11:38] <mungbean> thats wfh for you
[11:38] <diddledan> I do that, too. far too often
[11:38] <mungbean> i tend to work harder without breaks when wfh
[11:39] <mungbean> started work 1 hr early and got striaght into it
[11:39] <diddledan> I don't do breaks either way
[11:39] <mungbean> meanwhile my colleagues will probably think i'm dossing
[11:44] <mungbean> that cory doctorow churns out books pretty fast
[11:45] <mungbean> i think calling it young adult fiction means you can write it in one sitting
[11:50] <Myrtti> mungbean: WFH sucks when you have to pick from the bazillion communication methods what to use to ask someone something urgent
[11:59] <diddledan> mungbean: young adult sounds like it's right up my street - I can't do hardcore reading :-p
[12:00] <diddledan> thankyou camelot - tonights eurosquillions is 55 bajillion£
[12:00] <diddledan> grab my ticket now? don't have time for that!
[12:01] <popey> mungbean: he uses ubuntu doncha know
[12:05] <mungbean> popey: yep i think i read some stuff he wrote in the guardian or BB about it
[12:06] <mungbean> a lot of his books are so samey i feel like i'm reading the same one again
[12:06] <diddledan> mungbean: that's tweenfic for ya I guess
[12:06] <diddledan> it's all twiglet
[12:09] <mungbean> how do i change a user's primary group in openldap?
[12:11] <diddledan> heh @ my email to my colleagues: "yes, you too can taste the really hott! screaming salami release of Ubuntu before it goes live. Final Customer Experience Preview Developer Release Candidate 1.2 has been released by Canoncrosoft." *attach email: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) Final Beta Released; from adconrad@ubuntu.com; to ubuntu-announce list*
[12:12] <Laney> O_O
[12:12] <diddledan> :-p
[12:12] <Laney> screaming salami is nice
[12:12] <Laney> slobbering would have been better
[12:12] <diddledan> it makes your eyes do that
[12:12] <diddledan> aaha, yeah slobbering woulda been good
[12:13] <diddledan> I'm guessing T will be twerking tween?
[12:13] <diddledan> should I know what twerking actually is before I use it in a sentence?!
[12:15] <diddledan> thankyou wikipedia
[12:16] <diddledan> and bonus points for including the picture of miley cyrus doing a twerk on robin thicke
[12:16]  * popey looks for unicode twerk and fails
[12:20] <diddledan> speaking of Miley Cyrus - she used to be such a nice girl.. I don't get why she's gone so completely mental
[12:21] <diddledan> (and as a person afflicted with psychiatric illness, I use the word "mental" advisedly :-p)
[12:23]  * Laney pulls diddledan from asda's shelves
[12:27] <DJones> diddledan: She's been listening to her dad's Achy, Breaky Heart song too much, that'd probably do it
[12:51] <directhex> huh. is it a scoop to get confirmation from audiokinetic that Wwise is being ported to linux (steamos)?
[12:51] <directhex> popey? or anyone who is part of one of the endless parade of ubuntu/gaming blogs?
[12:52] <popey> I'd not heard of it before you mentioned it
[12:53] <popey> saw your RT though, nice!
[12:53] <popey> do you know how many games use it?
[12:55] <directhex> popey, a few hundred
[12:56] <directhex> popey, mostly big-name games like bioshock or assassin's creed
[12:56] <directhex> popey, perhaps of most relevance... limbo. wwise is the "sorry, wine only because middleware is nonportable" middleware
[12:58] <Myrtti> ooh assassin's creed
[13:01] <popey> golly
[13:11] <mungbean> ok...screaming baby not good for stress levels when trying to hack ldap
[13:14]  * AlanBell stays away from LDAP
[13:14] <AlanBell> and babies ;)
[13:15] <diddledan> ouch, ldap is evil
[13:15] <diddledan> screaming babies notwithstanding
[13:15] <MooDoo> you get used to screaming babeis
[13:16] <mungbean> finally took the dressing off my tattoo
[13:16] <mungbean> healed up pretty nice
[13:17] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/MXoCnOf.jpg
[13:18] <diddledan> I'm assuming it's supposed to be spelled incorrectly
[13:18] <mungbean> i think the geek version should say no regexp
[13:18] <mungbean> its spelt incorrectly? where? OH NO!!
[13:18] <AlanBell> ;)
[13:18] <mungbean> i would never get a tattoo :D
[13:18] <popey> https://s3.amazonaws.com/pfuploads/tumblr_mlm7q5xxfU1qdnibfo1_500.jpg
[13:19] <mungbean> the best ones are when they get a football manager's face
[13:19] <popey> https://twitter.com/shittats is quite fun
[13:20] <mungbean> tattoos are no joke. it stresses me out even to see such hideous blemishes on other people
[13:21] <popey> pfft
[13:22] <mungbean> isn't that the forkbomb? http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2422/4033340711_543ef81df0_b.jpg
[13:22] <diddledan> mungbean: yes
[13:23] <diddledan> you don't need the ampersand for it to be effective though
[13:23] <diddledan> :(){:|:};: works just as nicely
[13:24] <diddledan> !danger
[13:24] <diddledan> is it fair to get the bot to moan about yourself?
[13:25] <Myrtti> yes.
[13:25] <Seeker`>  /abk diddledan
[13:25] <Seeker`> :P
[13:25] <diddledan> Seeker`: /abk?
[13:26] <diddledan> something bankick?
[13:27] <diddledan> thankfully that forkbomb is obscure enough that n00bs don't realise it is bash syntax
[13:28] <diddledan> (that's a good thing becuase they then don't try running it out of curiosity)
[13:28] <Seeker`> diddledan: autobankick
[13:33] <Monotoko> is there anywhere on freenode that I can get help with SIP? >.>
[13:34] <AlanBell> Monotoko: depends on the software, I am doing stuff with #opensips at the moment
[13:34] <AlanBell> Monotoko: what is the question?
[13:35] <directhex> Monotoko, "firewalling issue". next!
[13:38] <diddledan> I agree with directhex
[13:39] <diddledan> with SIP absolutely every question no matter how esoteric and seemingly separate boils down to the firewall
[13:39] <directhex> or some facet of it
[13:39] <directhex> e.g. "MTU is wrong size!" "NAT is the wrong colour", etc
[13:40] <diddledan> I never did get the colourising of NAT
[13:40] <directhex> "slight kernel jitter"
[13:40] <directhex> "too much IO load"
[13:40] <directhex> sip is basically awful
[13:41] <diddledan> unfortunately it's about the only "open" telephony protocol that also has hooks into POTS
[13:51] <Monotoko> AlanBell: I'm trying to get a server to use pjsua to call my SIP number which should in turn go to my mobile
[13:51] <Monotoko> it has no firewall
[13:51] <Monotoko> but it just seems to... hang
[13:52] <Monotoko> and so much stuff comes through that I have no idea what's making it hang
[13:53] <Monotoko> http://pastebin.com/sz7ce15v
[13:55] <Monotoko> 1892551@sipgate.co.uk has a forwarding to my mobile which it should be following, but nothing is appearing on that ones call log anyway...
[13:58] <SuperMatt> davmor2: thanks for pointing me at ubuntu-server for that bug, it's been marked as high and being triaged now
[13:58] <davmor2> SuperMatt: you are welcome, I figured they would be the ones that would need to deal with it :)
[14:00] <davmor2> SuperMatt: if you know who to ping when you have written a bug that is important in general, rather than specific to you, it's worth pinging the team because it means they see it, on the whole if 100 bugs hit you a day it just becomes a blur
[14:04] <SuperMatt> yarr
[14:05] <SuperMatt> I would really love to start looking in to fixing bugs
[14:06] <SuperMatt> I just don't think I have the time
[14:39] <diddledan> religious quote of the day: "God said unto Moses: 'come forth'; but he came fifth and won a toaster"
[14:41]  * Monotoko murders nagios in cold blood
[14:41] <bigcalm> Hello peeps from Shropgeek Revolution :)
[14:42] <diddledan> \o/
[14:42] <diddledan> and \o/
[14:43] <diddledan> nagios *stab stab*
[14:43] <diddledan> and shropgeek ftw
[14:43] <mungbean> all active fail2ban rules should show in iptables -vnL right?
[14:44] <diddledan> mungbean: yes I believe so
[14:44] <mungbean> users are reportign that if they get password wrong once they are blocked out
[14:44] <mungbean> wonder if its a client problem..using mobaxterm
[14:45]  * bigcalm senses popey is not a happy bunny
[14:45] <diddledan> sounds like their client is prompting for a password and then blindly resending it without prompting at every request even though it's been denied
[14:45] <mungbean> gonna have to reboot to windows to try @(
[14:45] <popey> bah
[14:46] <diddledan> reboot? to windows?! EVIL!!!!!!!1!
[14:46] <diddledan> !danger > mungbean
[14:46] <diddledan> bah
[14:46] <diddledan> !danger | mungbean
[14:47] <diddledan> annoying that there's no standard among bot makers
[14:47] <diddledan> the #wordpress bot responds on .commands instead of !commands and uses > as the redirector instead of |
[14:48] <diddledan> I think there should be one bot to rule them all
[14:48] <diddledan> same bot in here as is in every other channel everywhere
[14:48] <diddledan> mmm, yea
[14:48] <diddledan> tea**
[14:48] <diddledan> alan_g|tea: email me some :-p
[14:48] <mungbean> i run supybot, i think lubotu3 is descended from him
[14:49] <diddledan> aah python
[14:49] <diddledan> why is python so popular?!
[14:49] <diddledan> it seems to have become the new Perl
[14:50] <diddledan> although nodejs is trying to become the new python aka the new new perl
[15:11] <mungbean> yes it was fail2bna
[16:58] <diddledan> why does the euromeelions have to have a rollmeover on payday?!
[16:59] <popey> oooh
[16:59] <popey> http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/
[17:00] <popey> http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamController/
[17:00] <popey> woah
[17:01] <davmor2> popey: okay take a chill pill it's only an advert ;)
[17:04] <arc__> hello
[17:04] <popey> hello
[17:09] <arc__> will they keep making ubuntu for the ppc
[17:10] <DJones> !ppc | arc__
[17:11] <arc__> cool ok
[17:20] <diddledan> I don't get why manufacturers moved away from ppc - I guess it's part of ongoing unification of hardware architecture onto x86 which I'm assuming will eventually make way to unification onto ARM
[17:22] <arc__> The only ppc i have is a Mac G5
[17:42] <directhex> diddledan, ppc was dropped by apple because it couldn't compete on price/heat/power/performance with intel - specifically, no way to put a G5 in a laptop without it having thermal issues
[17:42] <diddledan> I see
[17:42] <directhex> and in the general case, ppc is expensive. ibm still put them in top end servers tho
[17:43] <directhex> nintendo still use ppc for wiiu
 ok, WAT @ steam pad
[17:47] <ali1234> ....... that gamepad looks lame
[17:50] <ali1234> then again i said the same thing about the n64 pad
[18:17] <Azelphur> Has anyone noticed that SFTP uploading is /ridiculously slow/ when using thunar or something?
[18:18] <Azelphur> he says, just as his upload speed jumps from 900bytes/sec to 180KB/sec.
[18:19] <davmor2> Azelphur: It's quite quick for me in nautilus
[18:20] <Azelphur> weird, I stopped using nautilus since they changed the typing search method in 13.10
[18:20] <Azelphur> the new thing sucks.
[18:30] <diddledan> why do I drool over apple products?!
[18:30] <bigcalm> diddledan: do you have a wooly coat and bleat a lot?
[18:31] <diddledan> bigcalm: as in am I a wolf?
[18:31] <bigcalm> More of a sheep :P
[18:31] <diddledan> lol
[18:31] <bigcalm> Apple do good design, which could be why you want it
[18:32] <diddledan> I'm reminded of lee mack's humorous bit about advertising for a pie
[18:32] <diddledan> "it's hot and crusty, and I want it"
[18:32] <bigcalm> Hehe
[18:33] <diddledan> in the style of a fragrance advert :-p
[18:33] <diddledan> speaking of which, how terrible are fragrance adverts?!
[18:33] <bigcalm> They are silly and meaningless
[18:34] <diddledan> "but I want it"
[18:35] <diddledan> the rumourmill is going overdrive on nexus5-related stories
[18:38] <bigcalm> I want a Nexus 6 ;)
[18:38] <diddledan> is that the galaxy note lookalite?
[18:38] <diddledan> lookalike
[18:38] <diddledan> i.e. a phone that's the size of your foot
[18:38] <bigcalm> No, it's a Bladerunner reference
[18:39] <diddledan> aaah
[18:39] <diddledan> I missed it
[18:40] <diddledan> apparently, iirc, the copyright owner of the blade runner franchise (I don't remember who anymore) tried to sue google over use of the word nexus in relation to android
[18:40] <bigcalm> Yes
[18:41] <diddledan> aah, phew, I was worried I was making it up as I went along :-p
[18:41] <bigcalm> That's a rather specific thing to make up
[18:41] <diddledan> it's been known
[18:42] <davmor2> diddledan: surely a shoe is better for your foot than a phone
[18:42] <diddledan> davmor2: tell that to samsung
[18:42] <diddledan> they might have used gorillaglass which will help with cracking
[19:05] <diddledan> agents of s.h.i.e.l.d. on ch4 right now
[19:07] <ali1234> Azelphur: thunar uses gvfs now, so it should be exactly the same speed
[19:07] <Azelphur> fun
[19:07] <ali1234> that might be new in saucy, i don't know
[19:07] <ali1234> thunar-vfs was killed with pitchforks
[19:10] <ali1234> "Fri, Sep 27, 09:00 PM to 10:00 PM (70 mins)" - oh, mythtv
[19:11] <Azelphur> maybe mythtv was written on an alien planet where they have 70 minute hours.
[19:11] <Azelphur> :P
[19:12] <ali1234> btw, xfce is getting gtk3 indicator support
[19:12] <ali1234> i'm using it right now :)
[19:12] <ali1234> finally working volume controls
[19:13] <Azelphur> nice
[19:13] <diddledan> wtf
[19:13] <diddledan> how does mythtv bend the space time continuum?!
[19:14] <ali1234> i dunno but it better not cut the end off
[19:14] <diddledan> lol
[19:14] <diddledan> it inevitably will
[19:15] <ali1234> ooo cheap servos on rapid...
[19:27] <bigcalm> Might be a little late for this, but which is a good hotel to book for oggcamp? :)
[19:28] <bigcalm> Still haven't decided if I can really go or not
[19:28] <dutchie> does anybody want steam keys for awesomenauts?
[19:28] <dutchie> soundtrack too
[19:29] <bigcalm> I haven't got around to playing the copy I already have on steam ;)
[19:32] <daubers> dutchie: How do you have so many?
[19:33] <dutchie> daubers: i only have one! nobody wants it :(
[19:33] <dutchie> and that came from the kickstarter
[19:33] <daubers> heh :)
[19:58] <sketch_> can anyone help me get this .sh file to run?
[19:59] <ali1234> maybe.
[20:01] <sketch_> ok cool i've tried to make it executable in properties and the check wont stay
[20:03] <mungbean> special episode of IT crowd on now
[20:18] <sketch_> ok i need someone with teamviewer to take a look please
[20:20] <popey> sketch_: i have teamviewer
[20:21] <popey> happy to take a look
[20:25] <sketch_> ok cool
[20:42] <diddledan> lmao @ the IT crowd
[20:44] <popey> no spoilers! :D
[20:48] <diddledan> I just saw an advert for wuaki.tv
[20:48] <diddledan> I only discovered they existed this week
[22:41] <geoffrey> coldsoda