[00:00] <pepee> instala icedtea-plugin , yo uso ese y funciona
[00:00] <pepee> tienes que reiniciar el navegador luego de instalar...
[00:01] <Ari-Yang> pepee, I'm not asking that.... I'm asking when ubuntu 13.10 is officially released, will it have UVD support?
[00:03] <pepee> ah... you are asking about the FOSS radeon driver, right?
[00:04] <pepee> I don't think so... but I have no idea
[00:04] <Ari-Yang> okies
[00:07] <TJ-> tj
[00:07] <TJ-> Hmm, helps to change focus before trying to log-in to VMs!
[00:51] <TJ-> Anyone else seeing "usb-modeswitch-data : Recommends: usb-modeswitch (>= 1.2.6) but 1.2.3+repack0-1ubuntu3 is to be installed" ?
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[00:55] <pepee> TJ-, remove usb-modeswitch
[00:56] <TJ-> pepee: Not possible. It's part of the "ubuntu-usb" tasksel
[00:56] <trism> TJ-: do you have -proposed enabled? looks like that version of usb-modeswitch-data is in there
[00:57] <pepee> TJ-, it seems that usb-modeswitch is not needed anymore... but I'm not sure
[00:57] <TJ-> I'm building in a chroot - I've tried it with and without -proposed enabled
[00:57] <pepee> the thing is, it works if you remove it
[00:57] <TJ-> pepee: remove from where? it isn't installed
[00:58] <pepee> apt-get purge usb-modeswitch
[00:58] <pepee> oh..
[00:58] <TJ-> I think the repos might be a little out-of-sync temporarily, now the beta 2 freeze is over
[01:01] <ice9> how to get Cinnamon work on Ubuntu 13.10 with xmir
[01:01] <ice9> I can login to it but it only shows the desktop icon without any panel
[01:02] <TJ-> Ahhh. bug
[01:03] <TJ-> bug #1195005
[01:03] <ubottu> bug 1195005 in usb-modeswitch (Ubuntu) "usb-modeswitch (>= 1.2.6) recommended for usb-modeswitch-data in proposed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195005
[04:52] <Guest89200> I just installed 13.10 beta 2...i have nvidia gt540m and intel graphics in my laptop(optimus)...cant seem to get it working
[04:53] <Guest89200> i installed nvidia 325.15 and rebooted....not running...its still running nouveau drivers
[04:54] <Guest89200> my graphics drivers dont show up under additional drivers either
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[04:57] <thecameleon> can anyone help me get optimus working in 13.10 beta2
[05:00] <thecameleon> anyone?
[07:29] <max64> do you recommend me to download ubuntu beta 2 or i wait till 17 october?
[07:31] <pepee> it's already final beta
[07:32] <max64> pepee:so i can download beta 2 now?  no more buge i find?
[07:33] <max64> bugs*
[07:33] <pepee> well, you may always find bugs...
[07:33] <max64> so you recommend me to wait the official release on 17 oct?
[07:33] <pepee> but if you have newer hardware, I'd recommend installing 13.1
[07:33] <pepee> *13.10
[07:34] <max64> i've core 2 due 2.1 GHz machine with 2 GB rams
[07:34] <pepee> what gpu?
[07:34] <max64> how can i check the gpu on terminal?
[07:35] <pepee> gpu's are usually the most problematic hardware..
[07:35] <pepee> lspci | grep VGA
[07:36] <max64> pepee:ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ lspci | grep VGA
[07:36] <max64> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[07:37] <pepee> well, should be well supported in 13.04... but anyway, yeah, just install 13.10 :P
[07:38] <max64> 13.4 works well on my machine
[07:39] <max64> sorry i have a question ,, if 13.10 downloaded now and i upgraded on 17 october .. will i redownload 980 mega bytes or just the updates?
[07:42] <pepee> just updates
[07:42] <pepee> you are using 13.04 ATM?
[07:42] <pepee> you can just upgrade from your package manager
[07:43] <max64> i use 13.4 but i dont know what ATM means .. sorry i'm not good in english
[07:43] <pepee> at this moment
[07:43] <max64> yes i use 13.4 now
[07:43] <pepee> although some repos may not work...
[07:44] <pepee> ok then... do you really need to upgrade right now?
[07:44] <pepee> if you don't need it, just upgrade when 13.10 is officially released...
[07:44] <max64> i will need to upgrade 13.10 on 17 october
[07:45] <max64> but i need not to upgrade 13.4
[07:45] <pepee> I mean, if you have some problems or need specific, updated software, then upgrade... if not, just wait
[07:46] <max64> ok
[07:46] <max64> so i will wait two other weeks :)
[07:46] <pepee> max64, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Saucy#Upgrading_from_older_versions
[07:47] <max64> i dont upgrade .. i alwayes download each version when appear online
[07:47] <pepee> ^ that if you want to upgrade right now, otherwise, the system should warn you about a new version being available
[07:47] <pepee> ah k
[07:48] <max64> i just need to install 13.10 .. i needed to know is it equivallent if i downloaded ubuntu beta2 and then upgrade .. or to download official release on 17 october?
[07:49] <pepee> if you install the beta2, you don't need to upgrade anything
[07:50] <max64> so i can consider downloading beta 2 today plus updating on 17 oct leads to no problem in security or crashes?
[07:50] <alankila> just keep on apt-get dist-upgrading
[07:51] <max64> ok so i'm downloading 13.10 beta 2 now :)
[07:51] <max64> pepee:i'm realy grateful .. thank you ^_^
[07:51] <pepee> you are welcome
[07:52] <max64> ty
[07:54] <alankila> I've even updated from 11.x and maybe earlier to 13.10. I just force the suckers to work and keep on repeating cycles of "apt-get -f install" and "dpkg --configure -a" until the stupid thing seems to finally get all packages installed
[07:54] <alankila> then I use debfoster to clean the system of leftover packages to near-minimal state and then finally try to install the actual software I want
[07:54] <alankila> irritating, but seems to work
[07:55] <alankila> I hate this supercomplex package management scheme and the fact everyone, nearly, runs the same set of basic packages and for some reason we must have 500 of them to install rather than just 1
[07:57] <pepee> well, not everyone has the same packages...
[07:58] <pepee> also, if you had just 1 package for the base system, you would still have a BIG package, which in the end would be almost the same
[07:58] <alankila> ...and I argue they should have
[07:58] <pepee> as having 500 packages
[07:58] <pepee> nope, I'm probably running a different kernel than you do
[07:59] <pepee> if we were using that gigantic package, there would be no easy way of doing it..
[07:59] <alankila> sure there is. You can easily install multiple kernels on debian even currently
[07:59] <alankila> it doesn't matter if one kernel image is provided by some base package and updates are layered as separate packages that just dump a bunch of files at /boot
[08:01] <pepee> there is, I'm talking about the gigantic package you want us to have
[08:05] <alankila> I guess I don't like packages very much. I think it stems from my earliest experiences of debian packaging where I installed the OS the first time and the official installer spent a lot of time installing packages which spit out warnings and errors. I asked if this is normal and everyone said "yep".
[08:06] <alankila> and I regard the android-style update scheme as superior as it simply ships the entire system image at once and it's basically just untarred on top of the formatted system partition followed by a reboot.
[08:07] <alankila> so I'd like to simplify updating linux and keeping it updated, and having ubuntu ship a large base system image would seem like easy way to make updates far more foolproof.
[08:08] <pepee> ah, I see
[08:08] <alankila> and as I mentioned above, the current story with ubuntu updates is so poor that a lot of people just recommend outright reinstall. We have an updating scheme but it has a shelf life, it only works in well-defined circumstances, and imho for no good reason.
[08:09] <pepee> well, they could just copy the whole ISO image to the disc and modify the partition table, heh
[08:09] <alankila> trueish. If the ISO shipped a filesystem image, it could be dd'd and then extended
[08:09] <alankila> but that's a bit too extreme, even I wouldn't recommend that.
[08:09] <pepee> I used the hd-media method a couple times...
[08:22] <Rallias> Is it possible that bcache-tools will be shipped in 13.10 repositories or is that just a dream?
[08:27] <pepee> I cannot see it in the repos... apt-cache shows nothing
[08:27] <pepee> I gotta leave... bye
[08:58] <bazhang> !find bcache
[08:58] <ubottu> Found: libcache-cache-perl, libcache-fastmmap-perl, libcache-historical-perl, libcache-memcached-fast-perl, libcache-memcached-managed-perl
[09:05] <Rallias> :(
[09:07] <yofel_> it's not in the archive, but there was a PPA for bcache
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[10:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:58] <penguin42> Hey BK
[11:04] <BluesKaj> hey penguin42
[11:07] <axelm7> morning, I am tring to install 13.10 server on an AMD x2, nvidia chipset, nvidia 6300 onboard video. I can't get past the first text screen after GRUB
[11:08] <axelm7> 13.04 desktop installed fine. 13.10 desktop installed fine too. for some reason 13.10 server doesn't even start to install
[11:09] <axelm7> sounds like a kernel panic, the keyboard locks up. numlock LED doesn't toggle
[11:10] <penguin42> have you tried the rescue/fallback etc option in grub?
[11:11] <axelm7> can I run the installer in rescue mode?
[11:12] <penguin42> oh hmm not sure
[11:13] <axelm7> rescue mode doesn't work either. It gets stuck at the first screen "Select a language" with English default. The system does not respond to the keystrokes
[11:14] <penguin42> axelm7: ok, that suggests if it got to select a language it got a bit further - tell me what machine are you using? also is it a wireless keyboard by any chance?
[11:14] <axelm7> Right before that language selection menu there is a tiny message in the middle of the screen that says "trying to enable the fram buffer"
[11:15] <axelm7> and then a small white progress bar appears at the bottom of the screen (text mode progress bar). then the language selection menu appears and the box locks up
[11:16] <axelm7> keyboard and mouse are USB and worked fine during 13.10 desktop install
[11:16] <axelm7> I used the same pendrive to run both desktop and server installers
[11:17] <axelm7> both created with Universal USB Installer
[11:18] <penguin42> ok, sorry not got many ideas; I know we've got someone on here whose keyboard hasn't worked for a few kernel versions (a wireless logitech) but I don't think he ever tracked that down to whether it was the machine or keyboard or what
[11:19] <axelm7> this is an old machine I had lying around running zoneminder CCTV system on Fedora. A new zm version came out recently and the recommended distro is Ubuntu
[11:19] <axelm7> so I figure that installing 13.10 made more sense than 13.04
[11:20] <axelm7> it's really strange that 13.10 desktop installs fine but not 13.10 server.
[11:20] <penguin42> axelm7: if it's hanging in text mode as well I'd probably start doing some more hairy debugging; things like passing  init=/bin/sh and seeing if you can get a  very early shell and see if there are any errors, maybe try some of the kernel options for weirder machines
[11:21] <axelm7> I'll just install 13.04
[11:21] <axelm7> when is 13.04 EOL?
[11:22] <penguin42> I'd go for 12.04 that's an LTS
[11:22] <penguin42> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases  shows the EOL dates
[11:24] <axelm7> 13.04 eol is in 4 months. damn
[11:25] <axelm7> I've installed all kinds of distros on this box. first time I've had trouble running an installer
[11:25] <penguin42> it would be best to try and get to the bottom of why
[11:32] <axelm7> I really don't know how to do that
[11:33] <axelm7> I've tried removing vga=788 and quiet from the boot line
[11:34] <axelm7> the boot process seems to work fine and then it gets stuck at the first installer text menu
[11:35] <axelm7> I'll try wiping the hard drive
[11:37] <axelm7> well, something's wrong with the installation files on my USB drive
[11:37] <axelm7> ran the integrity test
[11:38] <axelm7> The ./pool/main/m/maas/python-maas-provisioningserver_1.4 bla bla file failed the md5 checksum verification
[11:40] <axelm7> the downloaded iso md5sum matches the published info from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/MD5SUMS
[11:41] <axelm7> so Universal USB Installer is screwing up the files? strange...
[11:42] <axelm7> what's the recommended Windows tool to write the ISO to a USB drive?
[11:47] <axelm7> trying again, this time with Linux Live USB Creator
[12:02] <penguin42> axelm7: OK, it'll be interesting if that fixes it - the other possibility is you have some duff RAM, I've seen that show as package checksum errors before
[12:10] <axelm7> Similar problem now with Linux Live, expect that the integrity check reaches 99% and fails on a netboot pxe file, which is not relevant.
[12:11] <axelm7> tried with two different usb-SD adapter
[12:11] <axelm7> I know my microSD card is good.  been using it for all kind of stuff
[12:12] <axelm7> I'll try removing 2 of the 3 ram sticks
[12:15] <axelm7> removed 2 sticks, integrity check still fails on the same file pxelinux.cfg/default
[12:21] <axelm7> removed the two bttv PCI capture cards from the box and I still get integrity test failed on pxelinux.cfg/default
[12:22] <penguin42> axelm7: usb-SD adapters are often touchy; however the two other things I'd try are 1) A memtest   2) just dd the iso straight onto the SD card   dd if=my.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1024k (where X depends on the machine - get it right otherwise you might nuke your disk)
[12:25] <axelm7> I've installed all kinds of stuff with this same usb-sd adaper and the same sd card. Windows 8, 2008, centos, ubuntu, ESX, ps3 cfw, etc, never had a problem before. strange.
[12:27] <penguin42> anyway, I'm out for a while
[12:27] <axelm7> ok, now this is strange
[12:27] <axelm7> integrity test is failing on a file that's not even present on the iso file
[12:27] <axelm7> I've checked the md5sum of the ubuntu ISO on my windows laptop
[12:27] <axelm7> mounted the iso with daemon tools
[12:28] <axelm7> and /install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/pxelinux.cfg/default is not there
[12:29] <axelm7> seems like the file manifest one the installation disk is incorrect
[12:29] <axelm7> on*
[12:30] <axelm7> how is that even possible
[12:32] <axelm7> yup, md5sum.txt on the root of the installation ISO is incorrect
[12:32] <axelm7> this file does not exist 573bf62a1f14cdcef0e8299863547a5a  ./install/netboot/pxelinux.cfg/default
[12:34] <LBo> I'm using 13.10 for a month now. A couple of days, as part of an update indicator-network got installed. Now I have two network indicators
[12:35] <LBo> I think the ubuntu one and the gnome one
[12:35] <LBo> Is anyone else experiencing this?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> LBo:  not here
[12:41] <axelm7> my conclusion is that saucy-server-amd64.iso posted http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/  is buggy
[12:42] <axelm7> md5sum.txt in the root folder references a file that is not present on the disk
[12:44] <LBo> BluesKaj: do you have indicator-network installed?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> LBo:  the NM icon , yes
[12:45] <BluesKaj> I haven't used NM in yrs except for wifi , but I need it for my vpn service
[12:46] <LBo> Ok, thanks
[12:46] <LBo> I'm just going to purge it and see what happens
[12:46] <BluesKaj> perhaps you just have 2 differnt widgets , but only one network manager , LBo
[12:47] <BluesKaj> lb try to remove one of the widgets first
[12:47] <BluesKaj> LBo: ^
[12:48] <LBo> Removing indicator-network worked
[12:48] <BluesKaj> ok , good
[12:48] <LBo> I now only have the original gnome nm icon thingy
[12:49] <BluesKaj> well,  the next reboot will "tell the tale "
[12:49] <BluesKaj> er by widgets I mean icons in the panel ...on kde here
[12:50] <kerloi> Hello there.I'm using the last ubuntu 13.10 beta and I'm facing three major problems. The first one and the most important is that my ethernet chip is not working. It is recognized by lspci command (broadcom netxtreme BCM57786) but I don't have any eth0 interface. I saw this bug with BCM57766 "http://askubuntu.com/questions/288454/ubuntu-13-04-on-mac-mini-6-2-ethernet-port-broadcom-netxtreme-bcm57766-not-detec". The solution seems benign if y
[12:50] <kerloi> ou're able to rebuild the kernel (which I'm not able to do). Moreover I'm not sure it is the exact same problem ...
[12:52] <BluesKaj> kerloi:  run, sudo dhclient eth0 , for starters
[12:56] <kerloi> Bluefoxicy, Well it answer "Cannot find device eth0" ...
[12:56] <kerloi> BluesKaj, (sry) Well it answer "Cannot find device eth0" ...
[13:00] <LBo> And lsmod | grep tg3?
[13:00] <kerloi> LBo, It return nothing
[13:00] <LBo> ok
[13:01] <LBo> sudo modprobe tg3?
[13:01] <LBo> Without the ? ofcourse
[13:04] <kerloi> LBo, Wel now it's loaded.  "lsmod | grep tg3" return "tg3 162230 0" and "ptp 18580 1 tg3"
[13:05] <LBo> and what does ifconfig show now?
[13:05] <kerloi> Still no eth0 interface
[13:05] <LBo> Does dmesg show anything useful?
[13:08] <kerloi> No I can't see anything from the lines where my file system is mounted.
[13:09] <kerloi> nothing about ethernet or tg3 at least
[13:09] <LBo> Sorry, I'm out of ideas then :(
[13:09] <kerloi> Two lines about wlan0 which I suppose is working though I don't have a wifi access point nearby
[13:11] <BluesKaj> ok , try , sudo dhclient eth0 , now kerloi
[13:11] <kerloi> BluesKaj, Same answer
[13:11] <BluesKaj> bummer
[13:12] <BluesKaj> LBo:  is tg3 some generic BCM driver ?
[13:14] <LBo> BluesKaj: not generic but for the BCM57766 I believe
[13:14] <LBo> Only thing I can think of is that the firmware for the BCM57766 isn't inserted / loaded
[13:15] <LBo> But usually dmesg gives you a heads up if that's the case
[13:15] <BluesKaj> ok , well if you loaded the tg3 module successfully , then maybe a reboot is in order , kerloi
[13:16] <BluesKaj> succesful = no erro output after the modprobe command
[13:16] <kerloi> I can tell you about the twe other problems I have :) The shutdown is not working. It fail at "Killing all remaining processes" which doesn't stop the shut down but at the and with the message "reboot: Power down" nothing happen and I have to press the power button manualy ...
[13:17] <kerloi> BluesKaj, Yeah no errors. I'm rebooting
[13:17] <BluesKaj> ctrl+alt + delete?
[13:20] <kerloi> BluesKaj, Maybe I should have added the modprobe in a init level because now it's not loaded anymore
[13:25] <kerloi> Well according to "http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/net/ethernet/broadcom/tg3.c" tg3 seems the correct driver for BCM 57786 (see line 15335) so it should be started
[13:25] <kerloi> And it's not starting automatically
[13:25] <bekks> kerloi: the modprobe it.
[13:26] <kerloi> bekks, I can do it manually but the interface doesn't shows up even after that ...
[13:27] <bekks> How do you check the existance of the interface after modprobing?
[13:27] <kerloi> bekks, It doesn't shows up with ifconfig
[13:27] <kerloi> and "sudo dhclient eth0" says no interface eth0
[13:27] <bekks> kerloi: Then use ifconfig -a to look for the interface.
[13:28] <kerloi> bekks, I have "lo" and "wlan0" that's it
[13:29] <bekks> then take look at dmesg what happened while modprobing the module.
[13:30] <kerloi> Well I have three lines which I suppose corrspond to the modprobe action. It's talking about pps_core and ptp clock. No error message
[13:30] <bekks> then pastebin the entire output of dmesg.
[13:31] <bekks> along with lsmod; lsb_release -a; uname -a; lspci -k; please
[13:39] <kerloi> do you realy need the entire dmesg output or only after the end of boot ?
[13:39] <bekks> The entire output of all the commands.
[13:45] <kerloi> bekks, http://pastebin.com/h0u2EnKx
[13:50] <bekks> tg3 is not in use for your network device. Its not the correct driver for that specific device.
[13:56] <kerloi> bekks, You mean I need another driver
[14:20] <kerloi> How can I check a module version ?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> according to most of the info on ubuntu related BCM issues the right driver is tg3 , it needs a patch according to most posts on the internet , like this : http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg225552.html,  kerloi
[14:26] <kerloi> BluesKaj, The patch you gave me add the BCM57766 and not 57786 do you think I can do the same with 57786 ?
[14:26] <kerloi> I suppose I will have to rebuild my kernel ...
[14:27] <BluesKaj> no kerloi just the the driver module
[14:28] <BluesKaj> kerloi:  and the problem doesn't seem to be the drivers ,  the chip lacks an entry in the PCI device table.
[14:29] <kerloi> BluesKaj, Yep but the missing entry is in the driver "drivers/net/ethernet/broadcom/tg3."
[14:30] <kerloi> So I will have to learn how to build a module in ubuntu :) meaning how to get the sources and a working buil chain and how to get all of that without an internet connection :)
[14:30] <BluesKaj> there should be a method to apply the patch
[14:31] <kerloi> I just have the computer I'm using right now running wiondows xp
[14:32] <kerloi> Is there any way to make the apt-get command list all the needed packets in order to download them ?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> dunno ,that's beyond my scope , ususlly the patchesd are packaged like an app and autmatically apply to whatever app/driver it needs to apply to.
[14:36] <kerloi> BluesKaj, Do you think I should fill a bug report with that ?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> whynot there doesn't seem to be much action on the previous related bug in launchpad
[14:37] <bekks> kerloi: You need to learn how a pci id device table is related to the driver ;)
[14:38] <kerloi> bekks, Yep I confirm I have no idea.
[14:38] <bekks> kerloi: The most efficient way is to contact the maintainer of that module (kernel developer) and provide him with the necessary information.
[14:42] <kerloi> bekks, But it will take weeks to be corrceted I suppose and until then I cannot use my computer ... Well, how can I contact these developpers ?
[14:42] <bekks> kerloi: Correct. Its nothing to be done in a few minutes unless you do know very well what you are doing there.
[14:42] <bekks> kerloi: In the file you mentioned you will find a comment stating the maintainer.
[14:43] <kerloi> The patch seems pretty trivial. It's just a matter of adding an entry in a device list
[14:43] <kerloi> ok
[14:44] <BluesKaj> i hope it's that simple , kerloi
[14:44] <kerloi> I hope too.
[15:08] <kerloi> I confirm I have the latest sources and the patch you mentionned before has been included, I can find several lines about the BCM57786 in the driver but no entry  in the DEFINE_PCI_DEVICE_TABLE
[15:08] <kerloi> So  I suppose the driver should work but the pci entry is missing
[15:08] <kerloi> so frustrating
[15:09] <bekks> So the pci entry has to be added, most likely by the dev.
[15:09] <kerloi> You mean that adding it in the tg3.c file is not enought
[15:09] <bekks> Correct.
[15:10] <kerloi> The broadcom corporation is the developper of this file ...
[15:13] <bekks> kerloi: Thats why I told you to contact the maintainer :)
[15:13] <bekks> Not the developer - most likely the maintainer is a kernel developer, but for 110% it is not the Broadcom Corporation.
[15:14] <bekks> MODULE_AUTHOR("David S. Miller (davem@redhat.com) and Jeff Garzik (jgarzik@pobox.com)");
[15:14] <bekks> I'd suggest to contact David or Jeff.
[15:15] <kerloi> ok thx
[15:29] <kerloi> Well can I require your help for another problem :) After the installation I only have a grub command line not a grub menu. I have to start linux manually.
[15:29] <bekks> !grub2 | kerloi
[15:29] <ubottu> kerloi: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[15:33] <kerloi> bekks, thx
[19:48] <pepee> hi. how could I know if a patch will be merged? I'm waiting for this to be merged:  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60182#c33
[19:48] <ubottu> Freedesktop bug 60182 in DRM/Radeon "X.Org Server terminate when I close video player" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]
[19:48] <pepee> it would help anyone using AMD APUs
[19:59] <penguin42> pepee: Do you know if there is an Ubuntu launchpad bug for it
[20:00] <pepee> penguin42, no idea, I searched for it a bit, but I couldn't find anything
[20:01] <penguin42> pepee: OK, then file an ubuntu bug for it and add that as a related bug
[20:01] <pepee> the thing is, I want to know if this will be merged anyway, even if it's not reported
[20:02] <penguin42> pepee: I don't know, you could try asking in #ubuntu-x but the best way to track it is to put the bug in and see if you can get a response
[20:02] <pepee> ok, thanks penguin42
[20:02] <penguin42> pepee: Mention the bug number in here when you report it
[20:04] <pepee> do I have to use ubuntu-bug? I'm using a custom build right now...
[20:06] <penguin42> pepee: Hmm it'll be a bit difficult to convince the maintainers to look unless you do; you can do a mnaul report via launchpad but it won't attach all the debug that ubuntu-bug attaches which the maintainers normally want
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[20:40] <ikonia> pepee: a custom build of what ?
[20:41] <pepee> the package
[20:41] <pepee> I applied the patch manually and rebuilt it
[20:42] <ikonia> so why would you report a bug to ubuntu about your own custom build of a package ?
[20:42] <ikonia> or am I missing the actual question/issue
[20:42] <pepee> yes, you are missing the issue :P
[20:43] <pepee> it's a bug that has been fixed a couple days ago
[20:43] <ikonia> ok ?
[20:43] <ikonia> (apologies if I'm missing the point here)
[20:44] <pepee> so I applied the patch manually because the bug is annoying and because I wanted to help
[20:44] <ikonia> .....ok ?
[20:44] <pepee> the thing is, I dunno if this would have been fixed anyway
[20:46] <ikonia> what do you mean ?
[20:46] <ikonia> sorry, you're not making sense
[20:47] <ikonia> what has your patch / build got to do with the ubuntu bug
[20:47] <Jettis>  
[20:47] <pepee> by "custom" I meant "patched"
[20:47] <ikonia> ok what has your patched build got to do with the ubuntu bug
[20:47] <pepee> also, a big old
[20:48] <pepee> current version is 1:7.2.0-0ubuntu9, previous is 1:7.2.0-0ubuntu6
[20:48] <ikonia> so ?
[20:48] <pepee> I'm using 1:7.2.0-0ubuntu6 + patch
[20:48] <ikonia> what information do you want ?
[20:48] <pepee> which would be what ubuntu-bug would have reported
[20:49] <pepee> which I don't know if it would have been dismissed for being 'old'
[20:49] <ikonia> what information do you actually want ?
[20:50] <pepee> nothing, I already got it, thanks...
[20:52] <penguin42> ikonia: He's got a bug and found the upstream fix and wants to know if the Ubuntu package will have the fix, he's currently running a hand built package he's applied the fix to
[20:53] <ikonia> penguin42: wow - a simple explination
[20:53] <penguin42> ikonia: I got that from what he said
[20:53] <pepee> that's it, thanks penguin42 :P
[20:53] <ikonia> I think I missed the start of the conversation
[20:54] <ikonia> that information should be listed in the bug fix notes
[20:54] <penguin42> ikonia: Well he hasn't found an Ubuntu bug for it, I was suggesting he filed one
[21:05] <pepee> penguin42, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1232557
[21:05] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1232557 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "X.Org Server terminates when I close video player or run glxgears" [Undecided,New]
[21:06] <pepee> should I add/edit something?
[21:06] <bekks> pepee: if you have additional information.
[21:08] <trism> any thoughts on disabling the mouse battery in indicator-power? (or at least moving it out of the panel so I can see the useful laptop battery info)
[21:15] <pepee> thanks people
[21:23] <trism> ahh just had to unplug the power cord
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[22:45] <Smedles> hi all - just updated my ubuntu 13.10 system and can't logon as normal user
[22:45] <Smedles> it used to autologon, now is coming up with a logon screen - when i enter password it returns to the logon screen
[22:45] <Smedles> using a guest account now so I can logon
[22:45] <Smedles> any ideas?
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[22:51] <pepee> Smedles, can you send Xorg logs to the pastebin?
[22:51] <pepee> Smedles, my guess is that X is crashing
[22:52] <Smedles> pepee: Xorg.0.log or Xorg.1.log or both?
[22:52] <pepee> try pasting both
[22:52] <pepee> use pastebinit...
[22:53] <Smedles> that package isn't installed and as I'm guuest I can't sudo to install :/
[22:54] <pepee> can you switch to tty?
[22:54] <Smedles> http://pastebin.com/KW655mrx
[22:54] <Smedles> http://pastebin.com/27W6wwn6
[22:54] <Smedles> gedit copy/paste works
[22:56] <pepee> I remember there was a similar bug...
[22:56] <pepee> http://askubuntu.com/questions/316778/ubuntu-13-04-cant-login-to-unity-keep-going-back-to-login-screen-with-all-us
[22:57] <pepee> Smedles, http://askubuntu.com/questions/223501/ubuntu-gets-stuck-in-a-login-loop
[22:57] <pepee> try this one  http://askubuntu.com/a/265858
[22:58] <Smedles> thanks - few ideas there
[22:59] <pepee> just google: lightdm cannot log in guest
[23:03] <Smedles> pepee: renamed .Xauthority to something else and i'm back now :)
[23:03] <pepee> cool
[23:03] <pepee> although IIRC you will have the same problem again...
[23:03] <pepee> dunno how to solve it...
[23:04] <Smedles> pepee: at least I know how to workaround it now :)
[23:05] <Smedles> ok, time to walk the dog
[23:06]  * penguin42 hands Smedles a yoyo
[23:16] <ice9> I enabled xmir, how to revert back to xorg only?
[23:18] <penguin42> how did you enable it?
[23:18] <ice9> penguin42, I don't remember actually, just followed a tutorial
[23:19] <penguin42> ah, always good to know how you did something to be able to undo it!
[23:19] <ice9> my problem is that Cinnamon is not working correctly
[23:22] <penguin42> tbh I've not tried XMir so don't know much about it, but I thought it's supposed to be able to work as a normal X server, so I think that's a bug, but maybe ask some of the ubuntu-x guys
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