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| elfy | Bug 1231978 | 11:52 |
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| ubottu | bug 1231978 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar 1.6.3 under xubuntu 13.10 beta2 locks when browsing Trash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231978 | 11:52 |
| elfy | that's an annoyance | 11:52 |
| brainwash | pcmanfm is also affected according to the bug reporter | 11:55 |
| brainwash | time to boot my test machine.. | 11:56 |
| ochosi | elfy: can't confirm that on my install | 12:22 |
| ochosi | browsing trash seems fine here | 12:23 |
| brainwash | ochosi: default packages including gvfs? | 12:29 |
| brainwash | but wait, would the trash even exist without the gvfs backend.. :D | 12:29 |
| brainwash | ochosi: xfce4-appfinder starts delayed due to the known dbus timeout, still don't know why it started to behave like this out of nowhere | 12:32 |
| ochosi | brainwash: yeah, me neither. quite odd. wondering whether other 13.10 users will confirm it | 12:44 |
| GridCube | confirm what? | 12:49 |
| GridCube | i have a vbox to test if you need | 12:50 |
| ochosi | delay when starting up appfinder | 12:53 |
| GridCube | thats the alt-f2 thingy right? | 12:56 |
| elfy | going to do a new vm now - will check the thunar and appfinders with that too | 12:56 |
| brainwash | ochosi: it did start normally after installing Xubuntu daily, then few days later after bloating the system with almost every DE the appfinder takes some time to actually start (even on a fresh boot) | 12:57 |
| brainwash | alt+f2 or via xfce4-appfinder | 12:57 |
| brainwash | elfy: is the thunar trash issue reproducible after the first lock/crash? | 12:58 |
| GridCube | i don't see any delay in xfrun4 | 12:59 |
| elfy | mmm so you can't delete things you create in a live session then | 13:00 |
| elfy | brainwash: yep - it is reproducible | 13:01 |
| elfy | and now ubiquity crashes | 13:02 |
| brainwash | ubuntu lost its stability... | 13:02 |
| * elfy too | 13:04 | |
| brainwash | ochosi: so I noticed that the transition from the greeter screen to the actual desktop isn't smooth when compositing is enabled (default), it's like this: greeter background -> grey background caused by the compositor -> then xfdesktop starts and sets the desktop wallpaper | 13:05 |
| elfy | mmm - so odd behaviour with thunar in live session made ubiquity have a paddy | 13:06 |
| elfy | reboot and it's ok | 13:06 |
| brainwash | ochosi: known issue I guess, but it should be addressed | 13:06 |
| brainwash | elfy: can you test pcmanfm also? | 13:07 |
| elfy | why would I do that? | 13:07 |
| brainwash | so we can add it to the list of affected packages | 13:08 |
| brainwash | and even gvfs | 13:08 |
| elfy | mmm - well I'm actually only interested in default xubuntu packages | 13:08 |
| brainwash | gvfs is a default package | 13:08 |
| brainwash | and it's responsible for the trash interaction | 13:09 |
| elfy | won't let me delete to trash - lets me completely deletee | 13:10 |
| elfy | rebooting it | 13:11 |
| brainwash | the gvfs packages have been updated just very recently 2013-09-27 | 13:11 |
| brainwash | "New upstream bug fix release." | 13:12 |
| brainwash | so you might need to apply updates before testing the issue | 13:13 |
| elfy | locally it's up to date | 13:15 |
| elfy | the iso I booted from for vm is today's | 13:16 |
| brainwash | ok | 13:20 |
| elfy | well all the errors at least tell me the same thing :) | 13:26 |
| elfy | brainwash: so - after thunar has failed to do it's thing and creating an empty file with pcmanfm | 13:30 |
| elfy | trying to start install/delete said file/open a screenshot all gets this error - just with different window titlebars | 13:31 |
| elfy | http://imagebin.org/272188 | 13:31 |
| brainwash | :/ | 13:33 |
| brainwash | well, I can confirm that thunar locks | 13:34 |
| elfy | won't even let me add the screenshots to the bug report in f/fox either lol | 13:36 |
| elfy | bug 1232453 | 13:39 |
| ubottu | bug 1232453 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "File creation/opening files cause ubiquity to fail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232453 | 13:39 |
| elfy | ochosi: however before all that went on - appfinder was working fine and quickly from either AltF2 or panel | 13:40 |
| elfy | back later | 13:55 |
| elfy | hi TheDrums | 13:55 |
| elfy | ToZ even | 13:55 |
| ToZ | hi elfy | 13:56 |
| baizon | ok, all bugs fixed :) | 15:04 |
| brainwash | bug 1231978 needs to be resolved asap | 18:54 |
| ubottu | bug 1231978 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar 1.6.3 under xubuntu 13.10 beta2 locks when browsing Trash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231978 | 18:54 |
| ochosi | brainwash: not that easy to address the transition to desktop, possibly it'd have to be some kind of "effect" like blending over that gives everything time to load. or a patch in the session-manager to only display stuff as soon as everything is loaded (could also look weird, going from black to everything...) | 21:03 |
| brainwash | ochosi: maybe just setting the root background after login (before everything loads) could work | 21:06 |
| ochosi | yeah, so greeter > black screen > desktop? | 21:06 |
| brainwash | use the user background | 21:06 |
| ochosi | that means loading xfdesktop | 21:07 |
| ochosi | otherwise it's a bit of a duplication imo | 21:07 |
| ochosi | xfdesktop should be lean enough to load reasonably fast | 21:07 |
| brainwash | yes, it is, but xfdesktop starts after everything else (it looks like it does) | 21:08 |
| brainwash | I'll just file a bug report | 21:08 |
| ochosi | then that should be addressed in the session-manager imo | 21:08 |
| brainwash | and we will see | 21:08 |
| brainwash | this thunar/xfdesktop/pcmanfm trash issue is bothering me | 21:09 |
| ochosi | couldn't reproduce it | 21:09 |
| ochosi | maybe i'm missing some updates..? | 21:09 |
| ochosi | it started to appear very recently only, right? | 21:09 |
| brainwash | bug report is just 1 day old | 21:10 |
| brainwash | and there was a gvfs update too | 21:10 |
| ochosi | ok i'll monitor my incoming updates | 21:10 |
| brainwash | nautilus/nemo are not affected | 21:10 |
| ochosi | well it's *very* possible that it's gvfs related if it doesn't just affect thunar | 21:10 |
| ochosi | :/ | 21:11 |
| Unit193 | apt-listchanges? | 21:11 |
| pjotr | I just installed Xubuntu Saucy beta 2. What I really missed was Gparted in the live session. Can Gparted be added again? | 21:11 |
| brainwash | maybe it something different, the window locks -> no more interaction other then window manager stuff is possible | 21:11 |
| ochosi | the changelog says "* New upstream bug fix release." | 21:11 |
| ochosi | fun | 21:11 |
| brainwash | BUT it still displays changes to the trash folder if you use a second instance of thunar and delete some more files | 21:12 |
| brainwash | pjotr: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/saucy/beta-2/xubuntu-13.10-beta2-desktop-amd64.manifest | 21:14 |
| brainwash | gparted0.16.1-1 | 21:14 |
| brainwash | so it should be there, technically | 21:15 |
| pjotr | brainwash: well, I couldn't find it.... | 21:15 |
| ochosi | it's in the settings-manager | 21:15 |
| brainwash | settings manager? | 21:15 |
| brainwash | or via alt+F2 | 21:15 |
| brainwash | ochosi: and I noticed, that since the slowness of appfinder started xfseetingsd is also acting strange | 21:16 |
| brainwash | not reacting to key presses (keyboard shortcuts) or theme changes | 21:17 |
| pjotr | OK, I'll check settings manager. However: "system" or even "accessories" seems a more logical place in the menu | 21:17 |
| ochosi | pjotr: yep, iirc there was a bugreport for that | 21:17 |
| pjotr | brb | 21:19 |
| brainwash | ochosi: so try to delete a file, maybe two, the right-click on the trash icon and empty it | 21:19 |
| ochosi | guess i | 21:20 |
| ochosi | 'd have to restart | 21:20 |
| ochosi | can do that after finishing the wayland 1.3 presentation | 21:20 |
| brainwash | I skipped most of the presentation | 21:20 |
| brainwash | (boring) | 21:20 |
| ochosi | yeah, i've seen a few of those already | 21:21 |
| brainwash | so the gvfs "bug fix" update is most likely the culprit | 21:25 |
| pjotr | brainwash: Gparted was in Settings Manager allright.... thanks for pointing it out | 21:27 |
| pjotr | nevertheless: can you help moving it to System or Accessories? Much more intuitive locations. | 21:28 |
| brainwash | gnome disks utility also shows up in the settings manager | 21:30 |
| brainwash | many system apps actually do | 21:30 |
| pjotr | not a very fortunate design decision, in my opinion.... | 21:31 |
| brainwash | well, you should consider filing a bug report | 21:32 |
| Unit193 | That's by design, if you look at the excludes in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu | 21:32 |
| Unit193 | Was changed a little back. | 21:32 |
| ochosi | k, i'll reboot now and then we'll see about the thunar trash bug | 21:34 |
| ochosi | brb | 21:34 |
| pjotr | Unit193: upstream at xfce or downstream at xubuntu? | 21:35 |
| Unit193 | Xubuntu. | 21:35 |
| ochosi | brainwash: hmpf, confirmed :/ | 21:36 |
| ochosi | brainwash: did you check the logs already? | 21:36 |
| brainwash | uhm, yea | 21:37 |
| ochosi | which ones so far? | 21:37 |
| brainwash | don't want to boot my test machine now | 21:37 |
| brainwash | ~/.cache/upstart | 21:37 |
| brainwash | the xfce session one | 21:37 |
| brainwash | uhm, we have to confront pitti with this issue :D | 21:38 |
| ochosi | well, you go ahead | 21:38 |
| ochosi | you were already successful in getting poettering on the red telephone :) | 21:38 |
| ochosi | hm, pitti has been away for more than a day | 21:39 |
| ochosi | so maybe subscribe him to the bugreport? | 21:39 |
| pjotr | I noticed during install of beta 2, that the Xubuntu ubiquity slideshow didn't use my recently updated Dutch translations. Will this be remedied before final release? | 21:39 |
| brainwash | ochosi: yes, and add a comment about your findings | 21:40 |
| brainwash | bug 1231978 | 21:40 |
| ubottu | bug 1231978 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar 1.6.3 under xubuntu 13.10 beta2 locks when browsing Trash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231978 | 21:40 |
| ochosi | can't delete a file | 21:43 |
| ochosi | :/ | 21:43 |
| ochosi | well and i can't downgrade gvfs anymore | 21:43 |
| brainwash | commandline and navigate to ~/.local/share/Trash/ | 21:43 |
| ochosi | yeah sure | 21:44 |
| ochosi | btw, why pitti? did he upload that version of gfvs? | 21:44 |
| brainwash | between, does subscribing the package maintainer help? | 21:44 |
| ochosi | yeah, it can't hurt | 21:44 |
| ochosi | they might receive the bugmail anyway though | 21:45 |
| ochosi | as soon as a new bug is reported | 21:45 |
| ochosi | but giving this one some extra attention might be good | 21:45 |
| brainwash | I guess he is one of the package maintainers | 21:45 |
| brainwash | hehe :) | 21:45 |
| brainwash | ochosi: did you already check the apt cache for the previous gvfs packages? | 21:49 |
| brainwash | in case you want to reinstall them | 21:49 |
| ochosi | apt-cache madison only gives me the faulty version | 21:52 |
| ochosi | which sucks a bit cause i'd love to be able to downgrade to confirm once and for all that it's gvfs's fault | 21:52 |
| ochosi | (even though i'm rather convinced already) | 21:52 |
| Unit193 | And in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? | 21:52 |
| ochosi | true, there it is... | 21:53 |
| ochosi | thanks Unit193 | 21:53 |
| Unit193 | Unless you autoclean a lot. >_> | 21:54 |
| ochosi | brb | 21:54 |
| ochosi | ok, confirmed that it's the gvfs upgrade | 21:56 |
| brainwash | yes, I meant apt's cache location | 21:56 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: I read you right. :) | 21:57 |
| brainwash | well, now we simply wait for a fix | 21:58 |
| ochosi | well, if he had said "have you already checked cache apt"... :} | 21:58 |
| ochosi | yeah i guess | 21:59 |
| ochosi | it's a bit out of our hands now | 21:59 |
| Unit193 | I think enough is breaking for saucy very late. :/ | 21:59 |
| ochosi | i agree, although it's a bit "business as usual" already | 22:02 |
| ochosi | i've seen enough releases where i thought a few weeks prior to the release "i'll definitely recommend my friends not to upgrade" | 22:02 |
| ochosi | and then (mostly) things turned out fine | 22:02 |
| ochosi | (that is not to say that this doesn't seriously suck as a general routine) | 22:02 |
| brainwash | it's not that bad currently | 22:03 |
| brainwash | xfce is still at 4.10-ish | 22:03 |
| brainwash | but this gtk3 indicator mess... oh boy | 22:03 |
| Unit193 | I'm actually waiting to see what happens there before I upgrade, it's pretty much what's holding me back. | 22:04 |
| * skellat is being cowardly and has his laptop stuck on the LTS for now | 22:06 | |
| Unit193 | Well, I think it's going to complain if I try to upgrade with the held packages from precise again. :P | 22:08 |
| bluesabre | alrighty, I might actually be able to be productive now | 22:13 |
| Unit193 | Woo! \o/ | 22:13 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:14 |
| ochosi | ahoi bluesabre | 22:15 |
| bluesabre | hey ochosi | 22:16 |
| * bluesabre wonders what to work on first | 22:19 | |
| ochosi | hard to say :) | 22:22 |
| ochosi | what's on your agenda? | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | I think I might add to your plugin failure detection | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | which does work, so kudos | 22:23 |
| ochosi | nice | 22:23 |
| ochosi | well it's good that it works, but it doesn't catch all the calls i think | 22:23 |
| ochosi | it could/should be more thorough, although it only seems relevant with the current (packaging?) issue | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | I might hack on the packaging tonight/tomorrow and see if I can figure anything out | 22:24 |
| ochosi | packaging means mostly panel+indicators, right? | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | that too | 22:24 |
| ochosi | ah, you meant parole packaging | 22:25 |
| ochosi | i think i could start on a todo-list for the greeter | 22:27 |
| ochosi | could you link me to your dokuwiki again? | 22:27 |
| bluesabre | smdavis.us/doku | 22:27 |
| bluesabre | that would be a good idea | 22:27 |
| ochosi | here it goes: V | 22:34 |
| ochosi | http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=greeter-roadmap | 22:34 |
| ochosi | brainwash: if you wanna take a look ^ | 22:34 |
| ochosi | (you can also add stuff if you want or fix stuff from the list ;) | 22:34 |
| brainwash | bookmarked | 22:35 |
| * bluesabre considers making a bug markup button for his wiki | 22:39 | |
| bluesabre | s/button/plugin | 22:39 |
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