=== ElectricErger is now known as FlufflePuff === FlufflePuff is now known as Phantos === Phantos is now known as NikolaEdison === NikolaEdison is now known as ElectricErger === gary is now known as Guest21628 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:52] Bug 1231978 [11:52] bug 1231978 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar 1.6.3 under xubuntu 13.10 beta2 locks when browsing Trash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231978 [11:52] that's an annoyance [11:55] pcmanfm is also affected according to the bug reporter [11:56] time to boot my test machine.. [12:22] elfy: can't confirm that on my install [12:23] browsing trash seems fine here [12:29] ochosi: default packages including gvfs? [12:29] but wait, would the trash even exist without the gvfs backend.. :D [12:32] ochosi: xfce4-appfinder starts delayed due to the known dbus timeout, still don't know why it started to behave like this out of nowhere [12:44] brainwash: yeah, me neither. quite odd. wondering whether other 13.10 users will confirm it [12:49] confirm what? [12:50] i have a vbox to test if you need [12:53] delay when starting up appfinder [12:56] thats the alt-f2 thingy right? [12:56] going to do a new vm now - will check the thunar and appfinders with that too [12:57] ochosi: it did start normally after installing Xubuntu daily, then few days later after bloating the system with almost every DE the appfinder takes some time to actually start (even on a fresh boot) [12:57] alt+f2 or via xfce4-appfinder [12:58] elfy: is the thunar trash issue reproducible after the first lock/crash? [12:59] i don't see any delay in xfrun4 [13:00] mmm so you can't delete things you create in a live session then [13:01] brainwash: yep - it is reproducible [13:02] and now ubiquity crashes [13:02] ubuntu lost its stability... [13:04] * elfy too [13:05] ochosi: so I noticed that the transition from the greeter screen to the actual desktop isn't smooth when compositing is enabled (default), it's like this: greeter background -> grey background caused by the compositor -> then xfdesktop starts and sets the desktop wallpaper [13:06] mmm - so odd behaviour with thunar in live session made ubiquity have a paddy [13:06] reboot and it's ok [13:06] ochosi: known issue I guess, but it should be addressed [13:07] elfy: can you test pcmanfm also? [13:07] why would I do that? [13:08] so we can add it to the list of affected packages [13:08] and even gvfs [13:08] mmm - well I'm actually only interested in default xubuntu packages [13:08] gvfs is a default package [13:09] and it's responsible for the trash interaction [13:10] won't let me delete to trash - lets me completely deletee [13:11] rebooting it [13:11] the gvfs packages have been updated just very recently 2013-09-27 [13:12] "New upstream bug fix release." [13:13] so you might need to apply updates before testing the issue [13:15] locally it's up to date [13:16] the iso I booted from for vm is today's [13:20] ok [13:26] well all the errors at least tell me the same thing :) [13:30] brainwash: so - after thunar has failed to do it's thing and creating an empty file with pcmanfm [13:31] trying to start install/delete said file/open a screenshot all gets this error - just with different window titlebars [13:31] http://imagebin.org/272188 [13:33] :/ [13:34] well, I can confirm that thunar locks [13:36] won't even let me add the screenshots to the bug report in f/fox either lol [13:39] bug 1232453 [13:39] bug 1232453 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "File creation/opening files cause ubiquity to fail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232453 [13:40] ochosi: however before all that went on - appfinder was working fine and quickly from either AltF2 or panel [13:55] back later [13:55] hi TheDrums [13:55] ToZ even [13:56] hi elfy [15:04] ok, all bugs fixed :) [18:54] bug 1231978 needs to be resolved asap [18:54] bug 1231978 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar 1.6.3 under xubuntu 13.10 beta2 locks when browsing Trash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231978 [21:03] brainwash: not that easy to address the transition to desktop, possibly it'd have to be some kind of "effect" like blending over that gives everything time to load. or a patch in the session-manager to only display stuff as soon as everything is loaded (could also look weird, going from black to everything...) [21:06] ochosi: maybe just setting the root background after login (before everything loads) could work [21:06] yeah, so greeter > black screen > desktop? [21:06] use the user background [21:07] that means loading xfdesktop [21:07] otherwise it's a bit of a duplication imo [21:07] xfdesktop should be lean enough to load reasonably fast [21:08] yes, it is, but xfdesktop starts after everything else (it looks like it does) [21:08] I'll just file a bug report [21:08] then that should be addressed in the session-manager imo [21:08] and we will see [21:09] this thunar/xfdesktop/pcmanfm trash issue is bothering me [21:09] couldn't reproduce it [21:09] maybe i'm missing some updates..? [21:09] it started to appear very recently only, right? [21:10] bug report is just 1 day old [21:10] and there was a gvfs update too [21:10] ok i'll monitor my incoming updates [21:10] nautilus/nemo are not affected [21:10] well it's *very* possible that it's gvfs related if it doesn't just affect thunar [21:11] :/ [21:11] apt-listchanges? [21:11] I just installed Xubuntu Saucy beta 2. What I really missed was Gparted in the live session. Can Gparted be added again? [21:11] maybe it something different, the window locks -> no more interaction other then window manager stuff is possible [21:11] the changelog says "* New upstream bug fix release." [21:11] fun [21:12] BUT it still displays changes to the trash folder if you use a second instance of thunar and delete some more files [21:14] pjotr: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/saucy/beta-2/xubuntu-13.10-beta2-desktop-amd64.manifest [21:14] gparted0.16.1-1 [21:15] so it should be there, technically [21:15] brainwash: well, I couldn't find it.... [21:15] it's in the settings-manager [21:15] settings manager? [21:15] or via alt+F2 [21:16] ochosi: and I noticed, that since the slowness of appfinder started xfseetingsd is also acting strange [21:17] not reacting to key presses (keyboard shortcuts) or theme changes [21:17] OK, I'll check settings manager. However: "system" or even "accessories" seems a more logical place in the menu [21:17] pjotr: yep, iirc there was a bugreport for that [21:19] brb [21:19] ochosi: so try to delete a file, maybe two, the right-click on the trash icon and empty it [21:20] guess i [21:20] 'd have to restart [21:20] can do that after finishing the wayland 1.3 presentation [21:20] I skipped most of the presentation [21:20] (boring) [21:21] yeah, i've seen a few of those already [21:25] so the gvfs "bug fix" update is most likely the culprit [21:27] brainwash: Gparted was in Settings Manager allright.... thanks for pointing it out [21:28] nevertheless: can you help moving it to System or Accessories? Much more intuitive locations. [21:30] gnome disks utility also shows up in the settings manager [21:30] many system apps actually do [21:31] not a very fortunate design decision, in my opinion.... [21:32] well, you should consider filing a bug report [21:32] That's by design, if you look at the excludes in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu [21:32] Was changed a little back. [21:34] k, i'll reboot now and then we'll see about the thunar trash bug [21:34] brb [21:35] Unit193: upstream at xfce or downstream at xubuntu? [21:35] Xubuntu. [21:36] brainwash: hmpf, confirmed :/ [21:36] brainwash: did you check the logs already? [21:37] uhm, yea [21:37] which ones so far? [21:37] don't want to boot my test machine now [21:37] ~/.cache/upstart [21:37] the xfce session one [21:38] uhm, we have to confront pitti with this issue :D [21:38] well, you go ahead [21:38] you were already successful in getting poettering on the red telephone :) [21:39] hm, pitti has been away for more than a day [21:39] so maybe subscribe him to the bugreport? [21:39] I noticed during install of beta 2, that the Xubuntu ubiquity slideshow didn't use my recently updated Dutch translations. Will this be remedied before final release? [21:40] ochosi: yes, and add a comment about your findings [21:40] bug 1231978 [21:40] bug 1231978 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar 1.6.3 under xubuntu 13.10 beta2 locks when browsing Trash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231978 [21:43] can't delete a file [21:43] :/ [21:43] well and i can't downgrade gvfs anymore [21:43] commandline and navigate to ~/.local/share/Trash/ [21:44] yeah sure [21:44] btw, why pitti? did he upload that version of gfvs? [21:44] between, does subscribing the package maintainer help? [21:44] yeah, it can't hurt [21:45] they might receive the bugmail anyway though [21:45] as soon as a new bug is reported [21:45] but giving this one some extra attention might be good [21:45] I guess he is one of the package maintainers [21:45] hehe :) [21:49] ochosi: did you already check the apt cache for the previous gvfs packages? [21:49] in case you want to reinstall them [21:52] apt-cache madison only gives me the faulty version [21:52] which sucks a bit cause i'd love to be able to downgrade to confirm once and for all that it's gvfs's fault [21:52] (even though i'm rather convinced already) [21:52] And in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? [21:53] true, there it is... [21:53] thanks Unit193 [21:54] Unless you autoclean a lot. >_> [21:54] brb [21:56] ok, confirmed that it's the gvfs upgrade [21:56] yes, I meant apt's cache location [21:57] brainwash: I read you right. :) [21:58] well, now we simply wait for a fix [21:58] well, if he had said "have you already checked cache apt"... :} [21:59] yeah i guess [21:59] it's a bit out of our hands now [21:59] I think enough is breaking for saucy very late. :/ [22:02] i agree, although it's a bit "business as usual" already [22:02] i've seen enough releases where i thought a few weeks prior to the release "i'll definitely recommend my friends not to upgrade" [22:02] and then (mostly) things turned out fine [22:02] (that is not to say that this doesn't seriously suck as a general routine) [22:03] it's not that bad currently [22:03] xfce is still at 4.10-ish [22:03] but this gtk3 indicator mess... oh boy [22:04] I'm actually waiting to see what happens there before I upgrade, it's pretty much what's holding me back. [22:06] * skellat is being cowardly and has his laptop stuck on the LTS for now [22:08] Well, I think it's going to complain if I try to upgrade with the held packages from precise again. :P [22:13] alrighty, I might actually be able to be productive now [22:13] Woo! \o/ [22:14] :D [22:15] ahoi bluesabre [22:16] hey ochosi [22:19] * bluesabre wonders what to work on first [22:22] hard to say :) [22:22] what's on your agenda? [22:22] I think I might add to your plugin failure detection [22:23] which does work, so kudos [22:23] nice [22:23] well it's good that it works, but it doesn't catch all the calls i think [22:24] it could/should be more thorough, although it only seems relevant with the current (packaging?) issue [22:24] yeah [22:24] I might hack on the packaging tonight/tomorrow and see if I can figure anything out [22:24] packaging means mostly panel+indicators, right? [22:24] that too [22:25] ah, you meant parole packaging [22:27] i think i could start on a todo-list for the greeter [22:27] could you link me to your dokuwiki again? [22:27] smdavis.us/doku [22:27] that would be a good idea [22:34] here it goes: V [22:34] http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=greeter-roadmap [22:34] brainwash: if you wanna take a look ^ [22:34] (you can also add stuff if you want or fix stuff from the list ;) [22:35] bookmarked [22:39] * bluesabre considers making a bug markup button for his wiki [22:39] s/button/plugin