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qingluohi all, is there any way to let lubuntu not send remind window when device mounted?00:47
ianorlinqingluo open pcmanfm go to prefrences and uncheck the box on volume management that says show options for removeable media when they are insersted01:06
qingluoianorlin: thank you , ill go futher to find out which configure file .01:09
ianorlinits in the pcmanfm prefences in the menu at the top01:09
qingluoianorlin: yep, but i need to find which config file, cause i need my script to fix it auto01:10
ianorlinah ok01:10
ianorlinnot sure but it might be01:18
ianorlin 01:18
ianorlin 01:18
ianorlinah crud01:18
ianorlin~/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu01:19
qingluoianorlin: thank, i found it too01:43
ianorlinok01:45
Hundredi'm have problems sending mail, please help02:15
ianorlinusing what program?02:17
Hundredsylpheed02:17
Hundredanyone here use Lubuntu's email client?02:52
vn151502510Hundred: I dont, but I wonder you already connect any email account02:55
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RexterLubuntu unexpectedly switches desktops when using the touchpad. I don't want to disable the secondary desktop, but I want to disable the touchpad switching.03:39
ianorlinare you hitting the mousewheel?03:39
Rexteryes, it's the scroll function on the right side of the touch pad.03:40
kristal_could just set openbox to not change desktop on scroll wheel03:41
ianorlinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse#Disable_how_using_the_scrollwheel_on_the_switches_to_the_next_Desktop03:41
Rexterkristal, thank you. I was looking at that, however, this information is out dated. This file has been changed for 12.0403:44
RexterThere is even a warning in the config file "Do not edit this file, it will be overwritten on install.03:44
Rexter        Copy the file to $HOME/.config/openbox/ instead."03:44
RexterDo not edit this file, it will be overwritten on install.03:45
RexterCopy the file to $HOME/.config/openbox/ instead.03:45
Rexterthat is what I'm looking do do though. I just can't figure out how to do it on 12.0403:50
Rexterwell I'm nodding off, I'll have to come back to it tomorrow.03:55
AhmuckSomeone break lubuntu?  via update?04:00
vrkalaki'm on lubuntu-lxde 13-04 now04:01
vrkalakupdate well works04:02
Ahmucklast update borked my laptop04:02
Ahmucklost wireless mouse (usb), lost wireless networking, lost monitor size adjustments (auto), etc.04:02
Ahmuckessentially lost hardware support04:03
vrkalakdon't to release-updates did you04:03
Ahmucknope04:03
Ahmucksudo aptitude update04:03
Ahmucksudo aptitude safe-upgrade04:04
vrkalaki using thinkpad x1 ..  14"04:04
vrkalaki only apt-get in the terminal updates ... never aptitude04:05
* ianorlin does only use apt-get as well04:05
qingluohi all, i'm using lxde with lubuntu. i wanna get a quiet way to mount devices in scripts.  i found that set mount_on_startup=0 && mount_removable=0 && autorun=0 then normal user can get quiet. but if i start my script in autostart from /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/ with @lxterminal -e myscript.sh, it can't find normal user's configure file , even if root05:14
qingluohow can i set configure for those scripts start from autostart? export?05:18
Benkinoobyhi, what's exactly the point of lubuntu (no trolling). as i understood i can "switch" between any *buntu with the desktop-package07:29
Benkinoobyso, what's the difference between downloading and installing lubuntu and downloading ubuntu and go for lxde-desktop07:29
Benkinooby!lts07:34
ubottuLTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; with the exception of 12.04 (Precise Pangolin), which will be supported for 5 years on the desktop. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Precise (Precise Pangolin 12.04)07:34
Benkinooby!live10:09
ubottuThe Ubuntu Desktop CD is a "LiveCD" which can be run without altering existing files on your harddrive. Especially useful for testing your hardware's compatibility, it also includes an install option.10:09
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hannerhi11:11
RexterCan someone help me understand the relationship between Lubuntu, and Ubuntu. Ubuntu 12.04 is an LTS, but Lubuntu 12.04 is not. Doesn't is use the same repositories? Is only the LXDE part not supported for the LTS period?13:28
MyrttiRexter: yes, the latter part13:34
RexterReading the Wiki, "Lubuntu 10.10 was released on schedule on 10 October 2010, the same day as Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat, but it was not built with same underlying infrastructure as Ubuntu 10.10. Developer Julien Lavergne said about it, "Lubuntu is actually not part of the Ubuntu family, "13:37
Rexteris it still the case the case that lubuntu is not built on the same infrastructure?13:38
Hundredon a multi-monitor setup, how do you make the panel just appear on one primary monitor?16:06
genoobiehey all16:08
genoobiejust installed lubuntu and it's not playing nicely with my video card16:08
genoobiewould a different distro yield different results?16:08
Hundredwhat video card?16:09
genoobienvidia geforce 680016:09
genoobieproblem only manifests on certain websites16:09
genoobieslows down, then crashes16:09
genoobieno problem with XP OS16:09
genoobieHundred, I'm open to suggestions16:10
genoobiethe PC is a P4 3.4GHz with 3mb ram16:10
genoobieI mean GB ram16:10
Hundredprobably has for help on #Ubuntu don't tell them you are using lubuntu because some of te people are anal about it, even though lubuntu is an officially supported Ubuntu distro16:10
Hundredask*16:10
genoobieHundred, so any *buntu would likely have the same problem?16:10
Hundredit is probably just a driver issue16:11
genoobiehrm, I'm not against trying another *buntu, but I don't want the "same" results.16:11
Hundredit doesn't matter what distro you use, you just need the right driver for your video card16:11
phillwgenoobie: let me get you the forum link for graphics cards... brb16:12
genoobieso you are suggesting that any other *buntu would yield the same results16:12
genoobiejust want to be sure16:12
genoobiekid friendly OS?  *buntu, would linux mint be any "kid friendlier"?16:12
genoobie10 year olds16:12
phillwgenoobie: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 read the sticky and if it is not covered feel free to ask (you can use the lubuntu tag there without fear of them being "anal" :) )16:13
genoobiehehe, okay16:14
genoobieI am going to reinstall the OS16:14
genoobiesee if I can remember about how to do the wireless without a network link16:14
Hundredgenoobie you can also try Linux Mint, it is very user friendly, especially if you are coming from Windows16:15
Hundredi think those coming from Mac prefer Ubuntu16:15
genoobieHundred, cinnamon?16:15
phillwahh, broadcom WiFi... always fun :P16:15
Hundredhttp://linuxmint.com/16:16
genoobieyeah but which DE?16:16
Hundredthere support channel is on another irc network tho, irc.spotchat.org #linuxmint-help i think16:16
Hundredtheir main DEs are Cinnamon and Mate16:17
genoobieright, any tips?16:17
genoobiesomething that's got a decent pkg manager (for kids to install / uninstall)16:17
Hundredi think you should first ask the #Ubuntu channel to help with your graphics issue, you probably just need drivers16:17
genoobieHundred, I kind of went down that road.16:18
genoobietried a few solutions, didn't help really16:18
genoobieproblem persists and it's tricky because it takes more than a few minutes to reproduce the problem / crash16:18
Hundredjust trying Linux Mint Mate, you can try Linux Mint XFCE version which is more lightweight16:19
Hundredbut i think for your computer Lubuntu is good16:19
genoobieyeah, I'll try re-installing lubuntu16:19
genoobieI like the interface16:19
genoobieit's kid friendly enough16:19
genoobieI've already got it downloaded16:20
genoobieetc. etc16:20
genoobiethanks again, bbl16:20
HundredLinux Mint Mate is kid friendly, Lubuntu is lightweight which is good for a Pentium 4 computer16:20
genoobiei mean there's XP that's not bad16:20
genoobiebut too easily infected by kids who are learning16:20
genoobieand maintaining that is a bit of a bear16:20
genoobiealthough I am going to try clonezilla16:20
Hundredare they really young?16:20
genoobie10 yo16:21
Hundredtheir not that young, i was going to tell you about another distro that helps kids learn math and how to write lol16:21
genoobiehehe16:21
genoobieyeah, they're into flash games and minecraft16:22
genoobiethe flashgames are the worst16:22
genoobiethey get the computer infected with all kinds of crap from those sites16:22
genoobiewas hoping the "gaming" library will be big enough16:22
phillwclubpenguin is good for youngsters16:22
genoobieI'll take a loog16:23
Hundredif you still have problems with Lubuntu, try out Linux Mint Mate or XFCE, they have a good software center too16:23
genoobieyeah, but that's what I was asking16:23
genoobieif lubuntu is having an issue with the driver won't linux mint mate or XFCE?16:24
phillwhttp://www.miniclip.com/games/club-penguin/en/ (I'm a parent penguin) .. Great fun for us, as well :)16:24
Hundredinstall Extreme Tux Racer, its a cool game16:24
Hundredand Super Tux Kart16:24
genoobieright, will look into those16:24
HundredTeeworlds is cool too16:24
genoobiebut my thinking is that if lubuntu has an issue with the driver then so will linux mint mate or xfce16:24
Hundredand i like the old classic arcade style Chromium BSU16:25
genoobieis that a fair conclusion?16:25
Hundredprobably, you are likely just have a drive issue, you can try the open source drivers or the ones provided by Nvidia16:26
genoobieokay16:26
genoobiewill look into it16:26
genoobiebbiafm16:26
genoobieugh16:53
genoobieokay, so I "reinstalled" lubuntu16:53
genoobiea quick text message came up on boot re:firmware go to wireless kernel.org or something16:54
genoobieany way to see that message?16:54
genoobieis it in dmesg?16:54
genoobieyep16:56
genoobieit's in dmesg16:56
Hundredgenoobie do you have the Adobe Flash browser plugin installed or are you using the open source Gnash and lightspark flash plugins17:28
genoobieI am going to install lubuntu 12.0417:31
genoobieThe windows weren't coming up right for 13.0417:32
genoobiethe machine is older, the drivers are likely to play more nicely with each other17:33
genoobieI can't imagine that it's any "faster" in 13.0417:33
genoobiebut as I speak, the lubuntu splash screen is in the upper left hand corner of my monitor and it appears to be "stuck"17:33
genoobiegrrr17:34
genoobieokay17:37
genoobieso the lubuntu splash screen comes up17:37
genoobiethe blue / white dots alternate for about 3 cycles17:37
genoobiethen stuck17:37
genoobieHundred: linux mint maybe?17:38
Hundredyeah you can try Linux Mint Mate, it is much more user friendly and has more features than Lubuntu, although lubuntu is more lightweight17:40
genoobiewill I see a significant performance diff on this P4?17:41
genoobieI mean I am willing to give lubuntu a go with diagnostics, etc17:42
genoobiebut running into so many problems so early doesn't bode well17:42
Hundreddoes it have hyperthreading?17:42
genoobieI believe so17:42
Hundredi think it should be fine17:43
genoobieokay, bbiafm17:44
genoobieokay, hopefully linux mint mate will install17:54
genoobiehrm18:23
genoobieokay18:23
genoobieI installed linux mint MATE and it is super sluggish18:23
genoobieI would like to install lubuntu18:27
genoobiebut 13.04 has problems with my machine and 12.04 doesn't get past the splash screen18:27
genoobieany suggestions?18:27
genoobielike when I try to bring up system info18:28
genoobieI get a blank dialog box18:28
genoobiethree of them that once I close, seems to work okay18:28
genoobiebut then there was a problem with updating18:28
genoobieugh18:28
genoobiewould xubuntu run any better?18:28
Hundredlubuntu is more lightweight18:29
Hundredyou can probably try LXLE its a new distro based on lubuntu basically18:30
Hundredhttp://lxle.net/18:31
Hundredit is still ubuntu based so you can look for ubuntu help18:31
Hundredit has MiniTube, which is good for watching YouTube videos without using flash18:33
genoobieinteresting18:33
genoobieHundred: can they be streamed or do you have to download first18:33
genoobieHundred: I have linux mint MATE installed18:34
Hundredwell Google is converting their videos to html 5 since adobe is ending support for flash18:34
Hundredso all the videos are paying under html 518:34
genoobieinteresting too18:34
genoobieso what does that mean re: linuxOX18:34
genoobielinuxOS18:35
Hundredit means you can watch Youtube videos with flash or html 518:35
genoobieadobe is ending support for flash in linux or flash in general18:35
genoobiebrnb18:35
Hundredthis is basically the app http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube18:36
Hundredit is free for linux, but you have to pay when using it for windows and max heh18:36
genoobieokay cool18:36
Hundredit doesn't pay all youtube videos, but most18:36
Hundredi think adobe only supports flash for windows now, and wants everyone to use the new adobe air or something18:37
genoobieugh\18:38
genoobieanyhow, as a new user there seems to be more support for lubuntu *buntu than linux mint18:39
genoobieproblem is, those problems that I've stated18:39
Hundredwell Linux Mint is basically Ubuntu with a different interface18:40
genoobieoh18:40
genoobieso linux mint with MATE seems decents18:40
genoobienow I have to get my wireless card working18:41
genoobieHundred: why does mint install but lubuntu 12.04 not?18:42
genoobieit's confusing...18:42
genoobiesame *buntu18:42
Hundredthe difference between Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Linux Mint Mate/XFCE/KDE/Cinnamon is just the Desktop Environment and the apps they decide to install with it, they are all based on Ubuntu18:42
genoobieso why does one install but not the other?18:42
Hundredi don't know18:42
genoobieHundred: do you find it strange?18:43
genoobieor is that typical in linux18:43
Hundredi think Lubuntu 13.10 is coming out in a couple of weeks, maybe that will work heh18:43
genoobieisn't bleeding edge even less stable?18:43
Hundredprobably heh18:44
genoobieokay, so here are my options18:44
Hundredbut Lubuntu doesn't have a stable long term support version yet, so their releases are only support for 9 months lol18:44
genoobie1) try and debug 13.04 lubuntu, 2) try and debug lubuntu 12.04; 3) linux mate seems to work, install the wireless card in MATE and see18:44
genoobie4) xubuntu18:45
genoobielxle18:45
HundredLXLE is actually based on ubuntu 12.04 so it is long term support18:45
Hundredi don't think you should install Lubuntu 1.04 the support ends when 13.10 is released next month18:47
Hundred12.04*18:47
phillwgenoobie: if you fins driver support missing in lubuntu but in ubuntu (or other flavours), please do raise it as a bug. those drivers are part of the core system that we all share and should work in lubuntu.18:47
phillws/fins/find18:47
Hundred13.04 is supported until this December18:48
genoobiephillw: okay18:49
genoobiewill do18:49
genoobieI am going to try lxle18:49
phillwgenoobie: as you're installing a clean system, give the 13.10 a try. It is stable now with no horror stories around the corner (if you discount the 'it keeps crashing' bug :P )18:49
genoobiephillw: I would but 13.04 was a bit buggy18:50
genoobiewon't 13.10 also be a bit buggy?18:50
genoobieis lubuntu coming out with a LTS?18:50
Hundredmaybe for the 14.04 release18:50
phillwgenoobie: we have one outstanding gremlin, which has already been fixed. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta2/Lubuntu18:51
phillwHundred: not maybe. 14.04 will be our 1st LTS18:51
Hundredif you want long term support try Xubuntu, LXLE, Linux Mint 13 which is long term support18:52
Hundredactually Linux Mint 13 has LXDE which is what Lubuntu uses, bug it may be buggy since they won't be using LXDE anymore18:52
ianorlinlxle doesn't fit on a cd though19:00
genoobiethat's fine I'm using a USB stick19:25
chorgoxi had a problem with screensavers.. i find them pointless and i really hate when you deactuivate them but still "putting my screen blac" any idea how i can sort that ?19:39
chorgoxscreensaver is after like 10' or so putting a blank screen19:39
Hundredchorgox maybe try looking for the screensaver app in the menu19:41
chorgoxyes is deactivated19:41
chorgoxor "disabled" as is showing in the screen saver app19:42
chorgoxalso no power management of any k=ind19:42
Hundredmaybe just put Black After 99999999 mintues :P19:42
HundredBlank*19:42
chorgoxtried already19:42
chorgoxmax is 720 minutes19:42
Hundredare you using Xscreensaver?19:43
chorgoxyep 5.1519:43
Hundredjust remove it i guess, and reinstall it when you want it back19:43
ianorlindo you have xfce power monitor which comes with it19:44
Hundredi don't think there are dependencies but you should ask an expert here19:44
chorgoxi know when i wanted back NEVER , so i will llok how to completly remove them thanks19:44
ianorlinalthough xfce power monitor has a setting that does that19:45
Hundredyeah, maybe the setting is found in the xfce power manager19:45
chorgoxok i just made a clean install of lubuntu 13.04  i will check19:46
ianorlinit is under monitor tab19:46
chorgoxi found the thinghy nice ...19:46
ianorlinalso xscreensaver is removed in 13.1019:48
chorgoxsweet19:48
mephistohello!19:48
chorgoxthere is only one thingh i hate more than screen savers, login screens19:49
mephistoI'm trying to install lubuntu on a 128Mb computer but wanted to test it first in vmware and qemu19:49
mephistobut it won't work until I push the ram to 256Mb19:50
chorgoxnot sure would work 128 is too small19:50
chorgoxmaybe puppylinux19:50
mephistochorgox, thanks man! I'll look it up :)19:50
ianorlinespically for vm19:51
Hundredi like Slitaz19:52
Hundredbut its basically a USB OS19:52
Peon_Heh.. I've had this OS on here for over a year.. I haven't had any inclination to wipe the machine and use anything else. I like it, and I suggest it to all kinds of people who have old laptops and whatnot.19:56
phillwPeon_: great that you like it. we have #lubuntu-offtopic for chats and all sorts of social-media areas where you can chat to fellow lubunteers https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs20:09
Peon_Good times.20:10
genoobiehey all20:22
kristalOh my god abiword is HUGE, 52MB of stuff20:23
kristalIt seems small but there's soo many deps.20:29
genoobiehey, so why is lxle getting further in the install than lubuntu?20:39
genoobieI don't understand why one install works and another doesn't20:40
bioterrorwe have nothing to do with LXLE20:40
kristalWhat the hell, pcmanfm crashed...20:41
genoobiebioterror: I know, but lubuntu 12.04 doesn't install20:42
kristaljust went to the trash folder20:42
genoobiebioterror: but 13.04 does20:42
genoobie12.04 freezes on splash screen20:43
genoobie13.04 comes up with blank dialog boxes and has a video driver issue20:43
genoobieso I opted to try lxle20:43
genoobieug oh20:46
genoobielooks like lxle is crashing too20:46
Peon_Oh hey, I got the same splash screen.20:47
bioterrorgenoobie, do you have a branded computer or have you put it all together yourself from parts?20:47
genoobiePeon_: branded20:47
genoobieI mean bioterror branded20:47
genoobiedell dimension 840020:47
bioterrorand you've googled that certain model from forums for example?20:47
Peon_Out of curiosity, what would happen if I actually decided to upgrade to "Raring Ringtail" with lubuntu?20:48
genoobiebioterror no20:48
kristalPeon_:  Updating Lubuntu doesn't break very often because it's pretty simple.20:48
Peon_hmmm20:48
Peon_I broke fedora by updating it. THat was a sad day.20:49
kristalPeon_:  Fedora likes to do that.20:49
kristalDebian is the safest thing to upgrade...20:49
Peon_I'll go ahead and not upgrade this machine right now. It presently does exactly what I need it to.20:49
genoobieokay lxle seems right for me20:50
genoobiehey Hundred are you still here?21:07
kristalSo trash is broken in 13.1021:18
kristalThunar and pcmanfm crash when i open trash21:18
phillwkristal: can you tell me what steps you took? it opens fine for me21:21
kristalphillw: There's 3 items in trash, the instant i go to it in pcmanfm or thunar they hand up21:21
kristalphillw: I get no error messages.21:22
phillwHm, I have 298 items in my 'Rubbish Bin' as reported by pcmanfm and can view and open them21:23
kristalphillw: I had to use trashcli to empty trash21:23
kristalI've always wondered... if trashcli is the official standard... why is not a standard package other programs use...21:24
genoobiephillw, any explanation why lxle installs but not lubunut 12.04?21:24
kristalgenoobie: kernel or driver problem?21:24
kristalEven with ampty trash thunar and pcmanfm crash when i go it it...21:25
genoobiekristal, freezes on splash screen (lubuntu 12.04) but lxle which is based off of lubuntu / ubuntu21:25
genoobiedoes okay.21:25
kristalI'm fugging and restarting.21:25
phillwkristal: it is  a long time since I've used gdb to hunt a bug, but if you're getting a crash with no reported error, I suggest using it. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:PCManFM_build_and_setup_guide#Bug_Reporting_and_How_to_Help_Debug_PCManFM21:26
kristalphillw: thunar is dieing too, it's gotts be something under the fm21:26
genoobiephillw, if I am installing lubuntu 12.04 and it freezes on the splash screen is that a lost cause?21:26
genoobieor is it just something I have to work through21:26
phillwgenoobie: 12.04 lubuntu is long since not been updated. The guy who looks after lxle has spent a lot of time getting things updated. Try using the alternate installer instead of the desktop one. alternate is not as scary as people make it out to be.21:27
genoobieI've done the alternate installs21:28
phillwgenoobie: IMHO, try 13.10 alternate (you'll avoid the freeze at end of install bug).21:28
genoobiebrb21:29
phillwkristal: well, gdb should give the devs a hint as to what the issue is.21:29
kristalphillw: Ya I'll try it in a bit21:30
phillwkristal: is there nothing in the logs area?21:30
* ianorlin thinks the main advantage of desktop iso is you can run it live21:32
genoobiehey all22:03
genoobieHundred, you still here?22:03
genoobieI just installed lxle22:03
Hundredcool, how is it22:12
genoobieseems good22:35
genoobieHundred, minitube froze up22:36
genoobiedoesn't really matter22:36
Hundredi'm using version 1.9 from the PPA of the MiniTube developers22:46
genoobieppa?23:00
Hundredyeah, basically updated versions of the software that Ubuntu hasn't approved yet23:03
genoobieoh,23:04
genoobiehey Hundred now that I've installed lxle and xp, I'd like to "backup" the machines so that I can just do a one click re-intsall23:04
Hundredyeah there are some back-up apps available, but i'm not familiar with them, probably ask someone on Ubuntu if they know of a backup app, thengo on like YouTube or something for a tutorial23:05
phillwgenoobie: have  a look at http://clonezilla.org/23:31

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